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18 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Hope this is correct, but isn't the entire conflict about gaining terrain/territory?

Mostly.  For perspective, Severodonetsk (100,000 people) was around the size of Sugar Land.  Mariupol was slightly bigger (430,000 people)  than Arlington, and Russia spent months trying to take them.  That's not much territory being gained, for how many tanks, vehicles, and soldiers Russia is losing.  If Texas in some alternate universe was fighting invaders, we'd happily let them destroy Arlington and spend months (and manpower) there if it kept them out of Dallas, just as we'd do the same with Sugar Land to protect Houston.

Ukraine is playing a strategic long game.  Russia is still fighting a 3-day war with a peacetime army.  They built their military around rolling into Kyiv in a very short time, and instead they are tied up for months in outlying cities.

Similar to Mariupol, Ukraine forced Russia to commit a helluva lot more resources to Severodonetsk, which means that Russia will be spread thin in other areas, and more importantly, will not have the kinds of reserve forces they need elsewhere, say Kherson.  And now that so many resources were sucked up in Severodonetsk, and given Russia's supply-chain woes, it will be hard to shift forces from there to the Kherson area (especially since if they shift forces from Severodonetsk, Ukraine could move in).

It also gives Ukrainian forces in other areas a bit more time to regroup and organize for whatever they have planned in Kherson (similar to how they were able to retake Kharkiv because the Russians spread themselves out elsewhere).

There is also the psychological impact on Russian forces and the Russian people - Russia acts all big and brash like they can roll over anything the Ukrainians can throw at them, but they can't easily roll over fairly small cities for months at a time when the Ukrainians decided to make a stand.

It's very brutal, but Ukraine's military leadership appears to be very savvy, and they aren't sacrificing their (trained) trooped for shits and giggles.

 

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For the love of Christ woman,  stop posting the same fucking thing every 20 mins just to make your neurotic self feel better.     Bring something useful to the thread other than your inane babbli

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I volunteered today. Log/Admin role to replace people for 30-60 days. The operation is in the west, or should the Orcs win will be pulled back behind the NATO wall. Either way the humanitarian effort

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Mostly.  For perspective, Severodonetsk (100,000 people) was around the size of Sugar Land.  Mariupol was slightly bigger (430,000 people)  than Arlington, and Russia spent months trying to take them.  That's not much territory being gained, for how many tanks, vehicles, and soldiers Russia is losing.  If Texas in some alternate universe was fighting invaders, we'd happily let them destroy Arlington and spend months (and manpower) there if it kept them out of Dallas, just as we'd do the same with Sugar Land to protect Houston.

Ukraine is playing a strategic long game.  Russia is still fighting a 3-day war with a peacetime army.  They built their military around rolling into Kyiv in a very short time, and instead they are tied up for months in outlying cities.

Similar to Mariupol, Ukraine forced Russia to commit a helluva lot more resources to Severodonetsk, which means that Russia will be spread thin in other areas, and more importantly, will not have the kinds of reserve forces they need elsewhere, say Kherson.  And now that so many resources were sucked up in Severodonetsk, and given Russia's supply-chain woes, it will be hard to shift forces from there to the Kherson area (especially since if they shift forces from Severodonetsk, Ukraine could move in).

It also gives Ukrainian forces in other areas a bit more time to regroup and organize for whatever they have planned in Kherson (similar to how they were able to retake Kharkiv because the Russians spread themselves out elsewhere).

There is also the psychological impact on Russian forces and the Russian people - Russia acts all big and brash like they can roll over anything the Ukrainians can throw at them, but they can't easily roll over fairly small cities for months at a time when the Ukrainians decided to make a stand.

It's very brutal, but Ukraine's military leadership appears to be very savvy, and they aren't sacrificing their (trained) trooped for shits and giggles.

 

Man, I hope so.  I just wonder how much longer this can go on?

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Just now, BabaYaga said:

Man, I hope so.  I just wonder how much longer this can go on?

Russia is practically at a standstill.  If you follow this too closely, them taking a few km here and there seems Really Fucking Bad, but in the overall scheme of things, they are heavyweights who are landing solid punches, but can't seem to command the ring and stop a middleweight.

For all of their numbers, they should hav been able to take Severodonetsk a month ago.

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Tom Clancy is really missing out on all of the espionage, but I'm sure his ghost writers are taking notes for future Tom Clancy novels.

 

wonder how much of the money putin earmarked for its pre-war operations in ukraine (propaganda, buying loyalty, etc) ended up in the pockets of the operatives rather than being spent? 

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^ why they don't need nearly as many launchers. 

Also, HIMARS has a massive logistical tail and (for those who are wondering) it's why we aren't sending over very many yet. I'd bet we want to see if the Ukrainians can actually support these things and keep them up. 

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I am afraid it will take more than 10 years to clean up the explosives in the Ukraine. One thing about minds, in both deserts and in winter snows they move. I doubt the Russians would hand over a bunch of maps to where they laid them. Now add to this unexploded ordinance in the fields and forests. Shit will be blowing up there for a damn long time. 

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