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Tried posting this Attenborough riff the other day. Hopefully it will work this time.

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[Brisketexan 104624]

22 minutes ago, Mother mopar said:

The USAF wants to divest the A-10 fleet but it has always run into other issues along the way in D.C. The Army is in favor of keeping them but they don't have to fund the NGAD. I love the A-10s but we learned a lot in Afghanistan about CAS and how other airframes can support that need.

Combined with the re-winging cost and parts scarcity the A-10 is expensive to fly regarding 4th gen fighters.

Like most American males of my age, I love the A-10.  I really do.  But I also love the Corsair.  And it seems that the time has come and gone for both.

From what I know/see, the A-10 does a pretty good job of CAS in a counter-insurgency capacity (where the enemy really doesn't have any air power or AA capacity), or maybe even against a legit nation state over which we have total air superiority.  An A-10 loitering over an area to deliver CAS when needed seems to work pretty well.

So I don't know how well this will work in Ukraine.  While Russia doesn't control the skies....neither does Ukraine.  Russia still has plenty of functioning AA (with which they even shoot down THEIR OWN planes sometimes), and they still have plenty of functioning aircraft that could smoke an A-10 in an intercept.  If Ukraine can get some mileage out of this old airframe, maybe it's worth a shot.  But if using them ends up costing Ukraine 30 of its valuable pilots, maybe not so much.

The point being, I think we all may need to accept that the A-10 is a concept whose time has come and gone, as demonstrated by the modern battlefield, effective MANPADs etc., effective infantry weapons that take out vehicles very well (javelin), and a variety of drones.

[Scheiss Meister 8399]

I like the 30mm gun on the A-10, but with the Russian AA systems and MANPADS, it would be costly to get into range to use it, or Maverick missiles for that matter.  Where I think the Warthog could help is in suppression of air defense systems, if it can carry HARMs.  I am not familiar enough with the load out of the A-10 to know if that is even possible.  Ukraine needs some Wild Weasels to knock down the Russian SAM systems.  That would be a good start toward air superiority, if not supremacy.

[Pescado_Rojo 19331]

The SU-25 is a very similar platform to the A-10, and it seems like a flying coffin with all the MANPADs and SAMs in theater. Unless we're going to give them ECM and HARMs, we'd probably just be killing a bunch of their pilots. 

[The Dog 43805]

 

[Homesickhorn 2202]

this is painful to see. i hope i never get desensitized to this shit. FUCK putin.
Spoiler

 
 

Goddamnit.

[texastough 1129]

31 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Did Lavrov really admit that more than 50% RU troops have been killed???

[The Dog 43805]

1 minute ago, texastough said:

Did Lavrov really admit that more than 50% RU troops have been killed???

it's not a real translation - it's satire.

[Teddyballgame 441]

1 minute ago, texastough said:

Did Lavrov really admit that more than 50% RU troops have been killed???

Come on really?

[InkaUtexas 25518]

Some people forget what site they are on! 

Anyways, want to thank all  for continued updates. Appreciate it and allows me to stay off twitter and focus on porn. 

Damn good thread. 

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6 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Some people forget what site they are on! 

Anyways, want to thank all  for continued updates. Appreciate it and allows me to stay off twitter and focus on porn. 

Damn good thread. 

porn is for pussies

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https://www.saintjavelin.com/products/himars-depot-tour-2022-adult-tshirt
 

The back of the shirt shows all of the ammo depots, etc. they’ve hit

[956 Worldwide 34443]

4 hours ago, Orange&White said:

Remember in the beginning of the war, that if we gave Ukraine American planes, then Putin would nuke everyone?

This. If there’s one place we’ve misstepped, it’s in failing to set our own lines when it comes to “unacceptable” escalation. 
 

“We will provide Ukraine with the resources they need to defend their sovereignty and territory, based off of our own assessments and the requests of the Ukrainian government. It is obvious that these resources pose no threat to Russian Federation forces so long as those forces remain inside the Russian Federation. We won’t engage in speculation about any Russian response to the provision of these resources.”

[The Dog 43805]

 

6 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

This. If there’s one place we’ve misstepped, it’s in failing to set our own lines when it comes to “unacceptable” escalation. 

I think this is a bit of "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" - we really didn't know how far to go until we saw we could get away with more and more and that Putin's threats were empty. 

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Would be huge news if it happens.  And would be interesting to see if European states follow suit.

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[Gatorubet 30109]

3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

 

So I don't know how well this will work in Ukraine.  While Russia doesn't control the skies....neither does Ukraine.  Russia still has plenty of functioning AA (with which they even shoot down THEIR OWN planes sometimes), and they still have plenty of functioning aircraft that could smoke an A-10 in an intercept.  If Ukraine can get some mileage out of this old airframe, maybe it's worth a shot.  But if using them ends up costing Ukraine 30 of its valuable pilots, maybe not so much.

The point being, I think we all may need to accept that the A-10 is a concept whose time has come and gone, as demonstrated by the modern battlefield, effective MANPADs etc., effective infantry weapons that take out vehicles very well (javelin), and a variety of drones.

True Verbas knocked out several Ukrainian Su-25s in 2014 

[Brisketexan 104624]

9 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

True Verbas knocked out several Ukrainian Su-25s in 2014 

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1 hour ago, Bevo said:

porn is for pussies

[Gatorubet 30109]

14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 Vladimir Verba.  My cousin. 

[Brisketexan 104624]

1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

 Vladimir Verba.  My cousin. 

I'm sorry, who are you again?
I'm Frieda's boss.
Who's Frieda?
My secretary.

[RDCanecutter 26277]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

Experienced in bridge repair and construction? Then you too can find work in sunny Kherson, with no more cares than a bug about to splatter on a windshield. We can't stop the Ukrainians from making you one with the bridge rubble, but we probably already blew up all their HIMARs so come on down.

[MillerEP 30339]

11 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

Yeah, the WARMATE ones actually seem to be better than the US ones we gave them. I've been seeing a lot of the Russian propagandists still on Twitter like Russians with Attitude and Armchair Warlord complaining about these strikes. Saying it's not fair they get called for war crimes when they bomb nuclear power plants, but when Ukraine hits Russia's invading army who turned it into a military base with precision rounds they get a free pass. 

No idiots it's not a double standard, it's cause and effect. Russia shouldn't be there in the first place. There is a difference between an aggressor force invading territory and destroying property and lives vs a defending force trying to push the invaders out.

[RDCanecutter 26277]

Just now, MillerEP said:

Yeah, the WARMATE ones actually seem to be better than the US ones we gave them. I've been seeing a lot of the Russian propagandists still on Twitter like Russians with Attitude and Armchair Warlord complaining about these strikes. Saying it's not fair they get called for war crimes when they bomb nuclear power plants, but when Ukraine hits Russia's invading army who turned it into a military base with precision rounds they get a free pass. 

No idiots it's not a double standard, it's cause and effect. Russia shouldn't be there in the first place. There is a difference between an aggressor force invading territory and destroying property and lives vs a defending force trying to push the invaders out.

We know the Russians will yowl about all this for the next 800 years, it'll just be what they do. "Hey Honey, let's take the flying car to Moscow and listen to the Russians yowl."

[KYHorn 16865]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

I think this is a bit of "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" - we really didn't know how far to go until we saw we could get away with more and more and that Putin's threats were empty. 

There were plenty of people saying at the time that limiting ourselves with statements like "we'll do this, but we won't go THIS far!" was foolish and pointless. 

[InkaUtexas 25518]

LMAO. 

 

[RDCanecutter 26277]

35 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

LMAO. 

 

Probably saved them the embarrassment of the Africans wanting a discount on all those human fry ovens.

[956 Worldwide 34443]

3 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

I think this is a bit of "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" - we really didn't know how far to go until we saw we could get away with more and more and that Putin's threats were empty. 

Let’s remember that for years we had debates over whether Javelins would be too escalatory. Which was patently absurd, as is the debate over the equipment provided now. Anything we could ever provide Ukraine would only ever be used inside Ukraine, as Ukraine defended itself. Short of a B-2 or SSBN.

The fact is we we defanged ourselves by allowing Russia to set the tone of the debate and the bounds of rationality. Had we stepped in and defined them ourselves, we could have been a bit ahead of this. It is MMQB, but it’s also important to recognize. 

[Dahobbs 17447]

4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Let’s remember that for years we had debates over whether Javelins would be too escalatory. Which was patently absurd, as is the debate over the equipment provided now. Anything we could ever provide Ukraine would only ever be used inside Ukraine, as Ukraine defended itself. Short of a B-2 or SSBN.

The fact is we we defanged ourselves by allowing Russia to set the tone of the debate and the bounds of rationality. Had we stepped in and defined them ourselves, we could have been a bit ahead of this. It is MMQB, but it’s also important to recognize. 

Eh, I look at it more as being brought to a slow boil. Russia has been sitting in the pot not realizing how hot it has gotten. I think our approach has generally been very good. The idea that we could have gone all in at the very beginning and had the same timid Russian response is fanciful and pure speculation. 

[The Dog 43805]

23 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Let’s remember that for years we had debates over whether Javelins would be too escalatory. Which was patently absurd, as is the debate over the equipment provided now. Anything we could ever provide Ukraine would only ever be used inside Ukraine, as Ukraine defended itself. Short of a B-2 or SSBN.

The fact is we we defanged ourselves by allowing Russia to set the tone of the debate and the bounds of rationality. Had we stepped in and defined them ourselves, we could have been a bit ahead of this. It is MMQB, but it’s also important to recognize. 

When the price for being wrong is a nuclear exchange I'm fine with being cautious and the "slow boil" as Dahobbs calls it. 

[PhillyD 1257]

18 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Eh, I look at it more as being brought to a slow boil. Russia has been sitting in the pot not realizing how hot it has gotten. I think our approach has generally been very good. The idea that we could have gone all in at the very beginning and had the same timid Russian response is fanciful and pure speculation. 

A couple of thoughts I have.  Had we gone all at the very beginning, would Germany be doing even less than they are now?  Would Sweden and Finland still be applying for NATO?  I know Ukraine is in great pain, but I'm not sure there was a better way to play things with the information we had available.  The reality is, we screwed up years ago in Crimea by not acting appropriately.

Edited July 21, 2022 by PhillyD

[bolverk 29399]

1 minute ago, PhillyD said:

A couple of thoughts I have.  Had we gone all at the very beginning, would Germany be doing even less than they are now?  Would Sweden and Finland still be applying for NATO?  I know Ukraine is in great pain, but I'm not sure there was a better way to play things with the information we had available.  The reality is, we screwed up years ago in Crimea by not acting appropriately.

Yeah, we had some pretty healthy debates on that topic back on the old site. Too bad it can't be revisited.

[Chewbacca 7730]

On 7/12/2022 at 7:37 AM, atomheartbevo said:

The Sun joins a Ukrainian tank crew for a fight

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19165499/joined-ukrainian-tank-crews-operation-putin/

Talked to our server at our favorite mountain restaurant last week.  She's from Belarus (here on a work visa).  Said her family has told her to forget about them and never come home.  It was hard to hear.  Just need to remember that there are a lot of folks in Belarus and Russia who don't support this bullshit.

[AUS-97HORN 11682]

15 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Talked to our server at our favorite mountain restaurant last week.  She's from Belarus (here on a work visa).  Said her family has told her to forget about them and never come home.  It was hard to hear.  Just need to remember that there are a lot of folks in Belarus and Russia who don't support this bullshit.

sad to hear stuff like that...

 

but we have rules here.   unless we are talking brun hilda  when you say female belarussian here on a work visa... most of our minds imagine..

[Chewbacca 7730]

1 minute ago, AUS-97HORN said:

sad to hear stuff like that...

 

but we have rules here.   unless we are talking brun hilda  when you say female belarussian here on a work visa... most of our minds imagine..

She's early 20s and smoking hot.  But no pics because wife was present and all...

[Deej 76568]

1 hour ago, RDCanecutter said:

Probably saved them the embarrassment of the Africans wanting a discount on all those human fry ovens.

 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Let’s remember that for years we had debates over whether Javelins would be too escalatory. Which was patently absurd, as is the debate over the equipment provided now. Anything we could ever provide Ukraine would only ever be used inside Ukraine, as Ukraine defended itself. Short of a B-2 or SSBN.

The fact is we we defanged ourselves by allowing Russia to set the tone of the debate and the bounds of rationality. Had we stepped in and defined them ourselves, we could have been a bit ahead of this. It is MMQB, but it’s also important to recognize. 

Fucking this. The "oh gosh what if we make Russia mad" time has passed. Throw everything you have at any Russian within Ukrainian territory. Kill all of them as quickly and ruthlessly as possible.

[RDCanecutter 26277]

19 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

She's early 20s and smoking hot.  But no pics because wife was present and all...

You gotta use the Tijuana Scrip Club Phone Camera trick, brought to us by one of @Zepol87's crew:

Act like you got a call, hold the thing to your head, turn sideways and photograph.

Or just ask the server to titty-bump your wife for a FB pic.

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[RDCanecutter 26277]

5 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

 

Fat bastard with the Confederate tshirt is being authentically late-war Confederate, dragging off the unwilling.

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[RDCanecutter 26277]

Ah. A decree. A Lukashenko decree!

[Chewbacca 7730]

55 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

You gotta use the Tijuana Scrip Club Phone Camera trick, brought to us by one of @Zepol87's crew:

Act like you got a call, hold the thing to your head, turn sideways and photograph.

Or just ask the server to titty-bump your wife for a FB pic.

Hey honey, can you give her a hug real quick?  A little closer.   Just touch titties already so I can snap it.