Русский корабль - иди нахуй

[MillerEP 30339]

 

[atomheartbevo 89465]

 

[atomheartbevo 89465]

 

[RDCanecutter 26300]

1 hour ago, MillerEP said:

Yeah from the telegram that tweet linked to earlier, it's looking right. There is still a lot of confusion around what happened. We all saw what looked like missiles striking simultaneously causing two explosions, but Ukraine came out today and said it was a "Special Forces Operation." Which means it wasn't long range, so what happened?

I imagine Ukrainians say lots of things so the Russians will be all goobered up trying to stop the next one.

[RDCanecutter 26300]

1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

OK this is a third scenario. And funny as shit.

Maybe the UA SF used vodka, started some fires with the wind and just started a big fire. "Hey HQ Kyiv, you will never believe what we just did." 

 

I could see saboteurs starting a brush fire if the wind was right, then closing in using the smoke for cover.

In any case you know every single sentry was on their phone checking out porn.

[The Dog 43835]

[InkaUtexas 25534]

20 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

I could see saboteurs starting a brush fire if the wind was right, then closing in using the smoke for cover.

In any case you know every single sentry was on their phone checking out porn.

You sound like you know about this! 

[Brisketexan 104686]

2 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

You sound like you know about this! 

Every one of us knows that these characters were a pretty damn accurate depiction of rooskie base security:

[RDCanecutter 26300]

33 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

You sound like you know about this! 

Pyro childhood.

[Fico 1743]

54 minutes ago, The Dog said:

How much in donations to get del Conte to use these memes at DKR when Ewers hits Worthy?

Edited August 10, 2022 by Fico

[InkaUtexas 25534]

Something to keep an eye on. We have heard before about a false flag to pull in Belarus. Or maybe Ukraine said fuck you.

 

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[The Dog 43835]

[The Dog 43835]

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3868]

Something to keep an eye on. We have heard before about a false flag to pull in Belarus. Or maybe Ukraine said fuck you.
 

RU false flags are conducted on civilians not military assets.

I’m guessing it is more likely that the - Andrei, you’ve lost another air wing? meme will be trending equally with what airdefense doing soon.

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3868]

Now that the color satellite pix are out, the intel peeps are saying ATACMS are the only known weapon that could have done that.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11810]

1 minute ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

Now that the color satellite pix are out, the intel peeps are saying ATACMS are the only known weapon that could have done that.

I hate the human costs but the tactics are amazing.  Hey look over here while I hit this dam, whoops, you were looking the wrong direction and boom goes your airbase.  

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3868]

I hate the human costs but the tactics are amazing.  Hey look over here while I hit this dam, whoops, you were looking the wrong direction and boom goes your airbase.  

Think how many UKR civilian lives were just saved.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11810]

7 minutes ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

Think how many UKR civilian lives were just saved.

Sure, my whole job is air and missile defense, it’s just crazy to see things working in real time.  

[Pescado_Rojo 19333]

46 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Sure, my whole job is air and missile defense, it’s just crazy to see things working in real time.  

So what airdefense doing? 

[The Dog 43835]

2 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

So what airdefense doing? 

[The Dog 43835]

 

[Sawbonz 27445]

8 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

About damn time for the beginnition 

[InkaUtexas 25534]

2 hours ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

RU false flags are conducted on civilians not military assets.

I’m guessing it is more likely that the - Andrei, you’ve lost another air wing? meme will be trending equally with what airdefense doing soon.

Read some of the accounts from Chechnya. There are reports of just the opposite. Russians hitting Russians. The rebels never had air power, yet Russian troops got bombed. Buddy spent his academic career at Cambridge studying that war. Insightful discussions drinking. 

[RDCanecutter 26300]

4 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Read some of the accounts from Chechnya. There are reports of just the opposite. Russians hitting Russians. The rebels never had air power, yet Russian troops got bombed. 

An old sergeant told me that a hostile aircraft is one that is attacking you, and a friendly aircraft is one that is not. Doesn't matter where the pilot's from.

[flatdawgs 1267]

Русский аэродром, иди на хуй.

[InkaUtexas 25534]

4 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

An old sergeant told me that a hostile aircraft is one that is attacking you, and a friendly aircraft is one that is not. Doesn't matter where the pilot's from.

They just want to drop their bombs so they can claim a hit, fly up a valley and brag that night at the O Club. So in Afghanistan I used to carry a UT flag. When we would bunker down we looked like the Talib.  I would put that gorgeous flag on the roof of a land cruiser. Logic? Even an aggy will know what that means. It flies proudly in my sons house. Drone pilots fucked up on Mt Dew scared me. 

[Schulz2.0 28787]

 

[InkaUtexas 25534]

TL:DR.... Russian weapons suck, no one wants to buy them. 

Reminds me of the first Gulf War. Saddam had all these vehicles. Russian, Brazilian, you name it, Well the A-10 came and said BRRRRRRRRRRPPP. 

Who would buy their crap other than a place like Mali? 

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3868]

Chatter that one third to one half of all Russian TU-160s were destroyed at Saki. The TU-160 is their fast bomber for Nukes.

[Chad Fuck 17575]

Chatter that one third to one half of all Russian TU-160s were destroyed at Saki. The TU-160 is their fast bomber for Nukes.

I didn’t see any pics that looked like Tu-160s.

But I’d really like for this to be true.

[statsman 5428]

I guess we’re approaching 6 months? The Russian assumption was that some combination of overwhelming Russian power, welcoming by Ukrainians, and instability of Ukrainian government and armed forces would allow them to take over in days, creating a fait accompli before the west had time to respond?

There is no doubt that the Ukrainian response is remarkable. Russia badly miscalculated just about everything. 

I have to admit that I am very much disheartened by the savagery of the Russian troops and leadership. They are willing to sacrifice their own indiscriminately, and even more ready to assault, torture and murder Ukrainian soldiers and civilians. And to despoil the land for generations. 

Plus, there are the nukes. The nukes are the reason the west is holding back full support. Because of the nukes, if Russia is successful with indiscriminate bombing and civilian slaughter, western armies will not send troops in support. Because of the nukes, the western support comes with strings attached. 

I find myself a little disturbed by my happiness in the reports of dead Russian soldiers, but it is balanced by my disgust of the Russian murderous cruelty to civilians and captured POWs. I have been downvoted here for prior expressions of desire for a truce, even one that surrenders territory to Russia. My motive is a wish for an end to the Ukrainian suffering, and a fear that Russia can and will get more barbaric, using their nuclear threat as a backstop against western retaliation. It seems to me, that unless Putin were to die, the likely outcomes are either a protracted vicious war of attrition (with Ukrainian civilians doing most of the attriting), or a brutal Russian victory. I don’t see NATO openly joining in as long as Russia doesn’t expand (NATO needs to make it clear that if Russia expands, we are coming in). 

I can see even a bad truce as superior to either outcome noted above. That said, I don’t get a vote. As long as the Ukrainians are willing to keep fighting on, I support arming them as much as possible. I also support helping any Ukrainians that wish to relocate outside the country for the duration. I marvel at their willingness to endure as much as they have so far, and it’s not my place to tell them that it’s too much. 

Sanctions are good, but I don’t have delusions about them. As soon as Putin dies, a new leadership in Russia will state that Putin was driving everything, they (the new guys) are reasonable and let’s negotiate those sanctions away and do business. Of course, the western business leaders will want to do business. I hope some international body does an accounting of costs (property, injuries, lives) and makes reparations a requirement for sanction lifting. 

Ten years after the war, I expect us all to be working with Russians again. I’m sure they will tell us that we only heard one side of the story, that there is more to it. In our minds, we’ll be remembering the pregnant mother shot on the bridge, fleeing, the little girl with her legs blown off, but we’ll be silent, because it’s our job and what’s the point after all? (Somehow, the “Fawlty Towers” episode where they are exhorted to not mention the war to the German tourists won’t be as funny). They’ll say they were victims of Putin as much as anyone and we’ll probably nod along in agreement that that guy was an asshole. 

Thanks for bearing with me on this long post. I’m just trying to figure out how this ends (a Putin death seems like the simplest route to the least pain), and disheartened by the cost (more in lives and innocence than in dollars) of getting there. 

Edited August 11, 2022 by statsman

[Macanudo 12928]

Why would have of the Russian's nuke capable TU-160 be stationed in Crimea?  They have a combat range of just over 4,000 mile.   From deep inside Russia they would be fully capable of hitting everyplace in Europe easily.

[Captainant 27479]

2 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Why would have of the Russian's nuke capable TU-160 be stationed in Crimea?  They have a combat range of just over 4,000 mile.   From deep inside Russia they would be fully capable of hitting everyplace in Europe easily.

Big bomber with a shorter trip can carry a shitload more ordinance? Hubris? Idk but I'm all for putin losing his big shiny expensive toys

[956 Worldwide 34468]

I haven’t seen good sources on the Tu-160 at Saki.  Their operating base is Engels near Saratov. And Saki is a naval aviation base, and Tu-160s are VVS. 

[Fico 1743]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Big bomber with a shorter trip can carry a shitload more ordinance? Hubris? Idk but I'm all for putin losing his big shiny expensive toys

I think people may be getting their swing wing SU-24s confused with T-160s. Correct me if I'm wrong, we've only seen TU-160s and TU-95s using ALCMs from way outside Ukraine mostly over the Caspian. 

But I would love to be wrong, especially as I think Russia just finished(?) modernizing them. 

[NoRagrets 1125]

Good article about Kherson and Ukrainian strategic badassery.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-seeks-to-squeeze-russian-troops-as-it-girds-for-battle-for-kherson-11660210201?mod=mhp

[NorthLoop 14111]

5 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I haven’t seen good sources on the Tu-160 at Saki.  Their operating base is Engels near Saratov. And Saki is a naval aviation base, and Tu-160s are VVS. 

 

1 minute ago, Fico said:

I think people may be getting their swing wing SU-24s confused with T-160s. Correct me if I'm wrong, we've only seen TU-160s and TU-95s using ALCMs from way outside Ukraine mostly over the Caspian. 

But I would love to be wrong, especially as I think Russia just finished(?) modernizing them. 

Yall are talking about graphing calculators right? 

[kevwun 15669]

Turns out the self destruct code on the fighters was 80085.

Edited August 11, 2022 by kevwun

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

46 minutes ago, statsman said:

I guess we’re approaching 6 months? The Russian assumption was that some combination of overwhelming Russian power, welcoming by Ukrainians, and instability of Ukrainian government and armed forces would allow them to take over in days, creating a fait accompli before the west had time to respond?

There is no doubt that the Ukrainian response is remarkable. Russia badly miscalculated just about everything. 

I have to admit that I am very much disheartened by the savagery of the Russian troops and leadership. They are willing to sacrifice their own indiscriminately, and even more ready to assault, torture and murder Ukrainian soldiers and civilians. And to despoil the land for generations. 

Plus, there are the nukes. The nukes are the reason the west is holding back full support. Because of the nukes, if Russia is successful with indiscriminate bombing and civilian slaughter, western armies will not send troops in support. Because of the nukes, the western support comes with strings attached. 

I find myself a little disturbed by my happiness in the reports of dead Russian soldiers, but it is balanced by my disgust of the Russian murderous cruelty to civilians and captured POWs. I have been downvoted here for prior expressions of desire for a truce, even one that surrenders territory to Russia. My motive is a wish for an end to the Ukrainian suffering, and a fear that Russia can and will get more barbaric, using their nuclear threat as a backstop against western retaliation. It seems to me, that unless Putin were to die, the likely outcomes are either a protracted vicious war of attrition (with Ukrainian civilians doing most of the attriting), or a brutal Russian victory. I don’t see NATO openly joining in as long as Russia doesn’t expand (NATO needs to make it clear that if Russia expands, we are coming in). 

I can see even a bad truce as superior to either outcome noted above. That said, I don’t get a vote. As long as the Ukrainians are willing to keep fighting on, I support arming them as much as possible. I also support helping any Ukrainians that wish to relocate outside the country for the duration. I marvel at their willingness to endure as much as they have so far, and it’s not my place to tell them that it’s too much. 

Sanctions are good, but I don’t have delusions about them. As soon as Putin dies, a new leadership in Russia will state that Putin was driving everything, they (the new guys) are reasonable and let’s negotiate those sanctions away and do business. Of course, the western business leaders will want to do business. I hope some international body does an accounting of costs (property, injuries, lives) and makes reparations a requirement for sanction lifting. 

Ten years after the war, I expect us all to be working with Russians again. I’m sure they will tell us that we only heard one side of the story, that there is more to it. In our minds, we’ll be remembering the pregnant mother shot on the bridge, fleeing, the little girl with her legs blown off, but we’ll be silent, because it’s our job and what’s the point after all? (Somehow, the “Fawlty Towers” episode where they are exhorted to not mention the war to the German tourists won’t be as funny). They’ll say they were victims of Putin as much as anyone and we’ll probably nod along in agreement that that guy was an asshole. 

Thanks for bearing with me on this long post. I’m just trying to figure out how this ends (a Putin death seems like the simplest route to the least pain), and disheartened by the cost (more in lives and innocence than in dollars) of getting there. 

50 years from now it'll be clear that the current path is the path to least suffering. Not only do we avoid the Chamberlain situation, we are making it clear that for certain parts of the world -- basically, non Africa, non-Middle East, borders are borders.  No more imperialism in this way.

[GopherRock 1765]

6 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Turns out the self destruct code on the fighters was 80085.

Are you sure it wasn't 8675309?

[grazinhorn 472]

57 minutes ago, statsman said:

I guess we’re approaching 6 months? The Russian assumption was that some combination of overwhelming Russian power, welcoming by Ukrainians, and instability of Ukrainian government and armed forces would allow them to take over in days, creating a fait accompli before the west had time to respond?

There is no doubt that the Ukrainian response is remarkable. Russia badly miscalculated just about everything. 

I have to admit that I am very much disheartened by the savagery of the Russian troops and leadership. They are willing to sacrifice their own indiscriminately, and even more ready to assault, torture and murder Ukrainian soldiers and civilians. And to despoil the land for generations. 

Plus, there are the nukes. The nukes are the reason the west is holding back full support. Because of the nukes, if Russia is successful with indiscriminate bombing and civilian slaughter, western armies will not send troops in support. Because of the nukes, the western support comes with strings attached. 

I find myself a little disturbed by my happiness in the reports of dead Russian soldiers, but it is balanced by my disgust of the Russian murderous cruelty to civilians and captured POWs. I have been downvoted here for prior expressions of desire for a truce, even one that surrenders territory to Russia. My motive is a wish for an end to the Ukrainian suffering, and a fear that Russia can and will get more barbaric, using their nuclear threat as a backstop against western retaliation. It seems to me, that unless Putin were to die, the likely outcomes are either a protracted vicious war of attrition (with Ukrainian civilians doing most of the attriting), or a brutal Russian victory. I don’t see NATO openly joining in as long as Russia doesn’t expand (NATO needs to make it clear that if Russia expands, we are coming in). 

I can see even a bad truce as superior to either outcome noted above. That said, I don’t get a vote. As long as the Ukrainians are willing to keep fighting on, I support arming them as much as possible. I also support helping any Ukrainians that wish to relocate outside the country for the duration. I marvel at their willingness to endure as much as they have so far, and it’s not my place to tell them that it’s too much. 

Sanctions are good, but I don’t have delusions about them. As soon as Putin dies, a new leadership in Russia will state that Putin was driving everything, they (the new guys) are reasonable and let’s negotiate those sanctions away and do business. Of course, the western business leaders will want to do business. I hope some international body does an accounting of costs (property, injuries, lives) and makes reparations a requirement for sanction lifting. 

Ten years after the war, I expect us all to be working with Russians again. I’m sure they will tell us that we only heard one side of the story, that there is more to it. In our minds, we’ll be remembering the pregnant mother shot on the bridge, fleeing, the little girl with her legs blown off, but we’ll be silent, because it’s our job and what’s the point after all? (Somehow, the “Fawlty Towers” episode where they are exhorted to not mention the war to the German tourists won’t be as funny). They’ll say they were victims of Putin as much as anyone and we’ll probably nod along in agreement that that guy was an asshole. 

Thanks for bearing with me on this long post. I’m just trying to figure out how this ends (a Putin death seems like the simplest route to the least pain), and disheartened by the cost (more in lives and innocence than in dollars) of getting there. 

I find little to disagree with in terms of your thought process.  This whole thing sucks, and identifying the optimal route out of the war is super challenging.  Much could still go very wrong, and not just for the Ukrainian people.

[cactusflinthead 27595]

55 minutes ago, statsman said:

That said, I don’t get a vote

And I am glad you don't. I haven't shed one tear for the Russians. Ukraine has every right to kick them in the ass. I don't expect them to surrender one teaspoon of dirt to them. 

As far as bidness wanting back in when this is really over perhaps they will have forgotten about the planes that were seized. Perhaps they won't mind knowing that at any moment all their investment will go up in smoke. But, I doubt it. 

The indications continue to be that they have no fucking clue how to conduct themselves in a modern war. They have no logistics capable of sustaining an offensive. No communication between the front and rear. Unresponsive and callous leaders willing to keep throwing meat into a grinder. Wagner is recruiting violent criminals right out of the prisons and I am supposed to feel some compassion for them? Yeah, FUCK THAT.

Concede nothing Ukraine. Take it all back.

[Gengs1 2583]

13 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

And I am glad you don't. I haven't shed one tear for the Russians. Ukraine has every right to kick them in the ass. I don't expect them to surrender one teaspoon of dirt to them. 

As far as bidness wanting back in when this is really over perhaps they will have forgotten about the planes that were seized. Perhaps they won't mind knowing that at any moment all their investment will go up in smoke. But, I doubt it. 

The indications continue to be that they have no fucking clue how to conduct themselves in a modern war. They have no logistics capable of sustaining an offensive. No communication between the front and rear. Unresponsive and callous leaders willing to keep throwing meat into a grinder. Wagner is recruiting violent criminals right out of the prisons and I am supposed to feel some compassion for them? Yeah, FUCK THAT.

Concede nothing Ukraine. Take it all back.

Those orc are blowing up hospitals, daycares, utility infrastructure that provides clean water and I am supposed to feel bad when they get blown up, fuck that. I hope they make it back to Russia in body bags and their leaders as well 

[atomheartbevo 89465]

1 hour ago, statsman said:

I can see even a bad truce as superior to either outcome noted above.

All a bad truce does, including conceding some territory to Putin, is provide some breathing room for Putin to prepare for another go at Ukraine. 

Putin is not reasonable.  Russia took territory in 2014   It wasn’t enough for them, they wanted Ukraine’s oil and gas and people.  

The only outcome that doesn’t set up another Russian invasion in the future is fully kicking them out of Ukraine and wrecking the Russian economy and military   

The fact that Russia is kidnapping Ukrainian kids and taking them back to Russia, and publicly boasting on the official Russian state TV that they will raise these kids right speaks to the very evil and batshit craziness of Putin and Russian society.

[statsman 5428]

Cactus, gents and atomheart, I don’t disagree with any of your comments. My problem is that I am chagrined by the truth of the comment “the west is prepared to fight to the last Ukrainian”. Not proud of that. 

[cactusflinthead 27595]

We're not pushing them to the front line. They asked us for support. We are giving it. If they want to throw on the brakes that's up to them. But, the opposite is true. They want more from us. 

[956 Worldwide 34468]

Every indication is that Ukrainians want to fight.  How patronizing is it to suggest that they are our puppets and just need us to stop helping them so they can come to their senses and sign a bad treaty? 

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[statsman 5428]

7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Every indication is that Ukrainians want to fight.  How patronizing is it to suggest that they are our puppets and just need us to stop helping them so they can come to their senses and sign a bad treaty? 

Which is not at all what I posted.