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Faccck you Toniee! 

[Rimbo 26866]

https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/08/24/president-of-belarus-causes-controversy-after-congratulating-ukraine-on-independence-day/

 

holy fucking shit

 

Alexander Lukashenko the President of Belarus has sparked controversy after congratulating Ukraine on Independence Day, despite the nation openly supporting Russia in the ongoing war, as reported on Wednesday, August 24.

The official message to Ukraine was posted on the President of Belarus’ official website, stating:

“Congratulations to the people of Ukraine on Independence Day.”

“President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko has congratulated the people of Ukraine on Independence Day.”

“I am convinced that today’s contradictions will not be able to destroy the centuries-old foundation of sincere good-neighborly relations between the peoples of the two countries,” the message reads.

“Belarus will continue to stand up for the preservation of accord, development of friendly and mutually respectful contacts at all levels.”

“The Belarusian head of state wished Ukrainians peaceful skies, tolerance, courage, strength and success in restoring decent life.”

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[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

33 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

245,000 of these. 
 

 

 

[Parliament 14574]

2 hours ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

Whoever thought the Ukrainians were going to rollover and accept Russian conquest was a dumbass

 

I didn't think they would roll over, but I figured they'd be swamped and destroyed in 3 days.  Mark me down as a "dumbass."

53 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

I'm assuming Boris Johnson is no longer in Kyiv? If he is, and RU is firing on Kyiv ... that seems bad

I know his domestic actions have been uneven, but he's been a goddamn warrior against the Russians.  Ukraine loves that guy.

33 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/08/24/president-of-belarus-causes-controversy-after-congratulating-ukraine-on-independence-day/

 

holy fucking shit

 

Alexander Lukashenko the President of Belarus has sparked controversy after congratulating Ukraine on Independence Day, despite the nation openly supporting Russia in the ongoing war, as reported on Wednesday, August 24.

The official message to Ukraine was posted on the President of Belarus’ official website, stating:

“Congratulations to the people of Ukraine on Independence Day.”

“President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko has congratulated the people of Ukraine on Independence Day.”

“I am convinced that today’s contradictions will not be able to destroy the centuries-old foundation of sincere good-neighborly relations between the peoples of the two countries,” the message reads.

“Belarus will continue to stand up for the preservation of accord, development of friendly and mutually respectful contacts at all levels.”

“The Belarusian head of state wished Ukrainians peaceful skies, tolerance, courage, strength and success in restoring decent life.”

I presume he'll have someone sampling his tea before he drinks it.

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[Bevo 13831]

1 hour ago, MillerEP said:

 

Is that poll saying most Americans have no clue about the war?

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1 hour ago, SquishMitten said:

I'm assuming Boris Johnson is no longer in Kyiv? If he is, and RU is firing on Kyiv ... that seems bad

Many countries have moved their embassies and ambassadors back to Kyiv, so there is still a solid chance of the Russians fucking around and increasing military aid to Ukraine.

[Kwix 2482]

So are these kids that are being "given" to Russian families orphans created by the war, or is Russia just straight up kidnapping them?

[Rimbo 26866]

17 minutes ago, Kwix said:

So are these kids that are being "given" to Russian families orphans created by the war, or is Russia just straight up kidnapping them?

Straight up kidnapping, sending their fathers to the front, and doing god only knows what with the mothers.

[Auto Driller 2563]

My read on the upcoming “referendums” in the occupied regions is that it’s an open admission by Russia that their ground forces have capitulated and they have no capacity to take further ground. Of course they will “win” the vote but the result will be rejected by the entire international community and the fight will continue.

[MillerEP 30844]

Nothing special, the occupier eats a goat

^Has to be a Chechen

[Foosters 18245]

14 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

I expect a lot of this sort of messages today. Sad shit. Fuck Putin and Russia. 

 

 

As I mentioned in previous posts, my dad headed up groups of volunteers and headed to Poland/Ukraine border to help with refugee support. He had these bumper stickers made on one of his trips and was handing them out to Ukrainians and Texans when he returned. 

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13 minutes ago, Auto Driller said:

My read on the upcoming “referendums” in the occupied regions is that it’s an open admission by Russia that their ground forces have capitulated and they have no capacity to take further ground. Of course they will “win” the vote but the result will be rejected by the entire international community and the fight will continue.

There’s more indications that this is accurate.  I have to say, as awful as it is— firing some stand-off cruise missiles at Kyiv and other cities from Tu-22s is a weak sauce message for Ukraine’s Independence Day. Shoigu today announced that the tempo of the “special operation” is slowing down as they try to “avoid casualties.”

All signs point to a military that is broken and failing and an admission internally that there is no palatable answer to HIMARS and other Western arms in terms of mounting an actual offensive. So you pause, attempt to consolidate gains with referendums, and then try to start shifting the international narrative. “Ukraine is attacking people who don’t want to be a Ukraine, it’s cold in Europe. We are offering to negotiate. Stop sending guns and we will pause fighting for a bit.” 

[Brisketexan 106692]

3 hours ago, Fico said:

Think Ukrainian sunset was about 30 mins ago. Sounds like some TU-22s let off some standoff missiles. I haven't seen Kyiv and the western cities getting hit as often recently but still been happening periodically.  

At lunch today, GOLL and I were discussing how that's exactly what we expected from the Russians today, were surprised it hadn't happened.  Guess we just had to wait a bit.

As for Ukraine, weakening Russia is great.  Stopping their advances is great.  But really, I love how their focus is fuck that shit......

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also, this isn't a money sink, it's a huge marketing expense.  you think countries will be lining up to buy anyone else's shit after watching ours make a mockery of soviet tech?  

So much this. The problem is that this is way of thinking is far too outside the box/looking to the future than the vast majority of the idiots in this country are willing to even attempt. Big words and such.

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[utee94 16071]

They forgot to make sure the plug was in.

 

[InkaUtexas 26823]

This is pretty damn cool. 

 

[RockyMountainHighHorn 915]

There’s no way that video is really from the war, that guy is certainly yoking a goat…sweet jesus

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1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

Straight up kidnapping, sending their fathers to the front, and doing god only knows what with the mothers.

I mentioned this upthread, the Russians have been doing this since Russia began.  Volga Germans who immigrated to the US REFUSED to send their kids to public school because they figured the North Dakota Governor would kidnap them.  It's all they knew.

[Pescado_Rojo 19570]

21 minutes ago, utee94 said:

They forgot to make sure the plug was in.

 

The boat loan paperwork and the insurance paperwork caused some kind of friction that wore a hole in the bottom. Happens all the time. 

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34 minutes ago, Homesickhorn said:

So much this. The problem is that this is way of thinking is far too outside the box/looking to the future than the vast majority of the idiots in this country are willing to even attempt. Big words and such.

We have spent 10.6 billion in Ukraine since the full scale invasion broke out. Now, Ukraine of course has paid many times over. But with that funding we handed one of two near-peer adversaries a Vietnam-level debacle compressed into six months.

That is a fucking bargain. 

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4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

We have spent 10.6 billion in Ukraine since the full scale invasion broke out. Now, Ukraine of course has paid many times over. But with that funding we handed one of two near-peer adversaries a Vietnam-level debacle compressed into six months.

That is a fucking bargain. 

Technically only a small amount of that was in actual currency. The rest was that amount worth of equipment, aid, food, ammo, and everything else. I keep seeing people on Twitter loudly proclaiming we stop giving them another dollar. When it's like "Dude, we aren't giving them 3 billion dollars, we are giving them 3 billion WORTH of stuff. Most of which is just sitting around in stockpiles collecting dust and was probably specifically designed for this purpose anyway. So chill"

There are so many upsides to giving them this shit no matter what side of the fence you sit on in my opinion.

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6 hours ago, Parliament said:

The Military-Industrial complex sells weapons.  Many of them (Javelins and arty shells) are disposable.  And the more they use, the more they want.  They want more Javelins, more arty and all the stuff that isn't disposable (F35's and Abrams's.)

They spend zero money on advertising and are viewed as Patriots.  Don Draper couldn't have come up with a better campaign.

Don Draper: “Picture this:  It’s the remains of a destroyed city, and out from the ruins steps a young girl into a street, bloody but defiant and holding a small Ukrainian flag.  Down the street, from a cloud of smoke, emerges a Russian tank, with a massive “Z” spray-painted across the front of it, and a red Soviet flag flying from an antenna.  It stops and its turret begins to rotate towards the young girl.  The camera switches to the view of the Russian tank as it prepares to kill the girl. Suddenly, a soldier with an unmistakable blue and yellow armband steps in front the girl.  He lifts a Javelin to his shoulders and he fires and you see the missile coming at the camera/tank.  The camera pans back as a T-72 turret sails into the air, and then it zooms in on the Ukrainian soldier, who turns and smiles at the girl, who looks up at him with tears of joy streaming down her face.   Fade to black and then the logos of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin appear on the screen.   The End.”

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5 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

Technically only a small amount of that was in actual currency. The rest was that amount worth of equipment, aid, food, ammo, and everything else. I keep seeing people on Twitter loudly proclaiming we stop giving them another dollar. When it's like "Dude, we aren't giving them 3 billion dollars, we are giving them 3 billion WORTH of stuff. Most of which is just sitting around in stockpiles collecting dust and was probably specifically designed for this purpose anyway. So chill"

There are so many upsides to giving them this shit no matter what side of the fence you sit on in my opinion.

Yeah, “you’re wasting our weapons by letting people blow up Russians with them” is a really weird fucking flex and take. 

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25 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

We have spent 10.6 billion in Ukraine since the full scale invasion broke out. Now, Ukraine of course has paid many times over. But with that funding we handed one of two near-peer adversaries a Vietnam-level debacle compressed into six months.

That is a fucking bargain. 

 

17 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

Technically only a small amount of that was in actual currency. The rest was that amount worth of equipment, aid, food, ammo, and everything else. I keep seeing people on Twitter loudly proclaiming we stop giving them another dollar. When it's like "Dude, we aren't giving them 3 billion dollars, we are giving them 3 billion WORTH of stuff. Most of which is just sitting around in stockpiles collecting dust and was probably specifically designed for this purpose anyway. So chill"

There are so many upsides to giving them this shit no matter what side of the fence you sit on in my opinion.

And our stockpiles are eventually rotated through - we normally will fire/use that stuff in training at some point so it’s not wasted.  We don’t buy it and sit on it forever, waiting to use it in a war, and it’ll go unused if we don’t have another war within X amount of time.

Instead, not only is it being used effectively and efficiently, we are getting a shitload of information and analysis about just how good it is against a modern and well-equipped force, information that would normally be hard for us to acquire.  And it’s taking out hardware we won’t have to face in the future, and in theory if it weakens Russia, that’s fantastic for us.  We won’t have to worry about Russia trying to fuck around and find out with us.

And our military analysts are putting together a lot of information that will eventually be utilized by our own troops in terms of tactics and new or different uses for our hardware.   Not to mention our defense comapnies.

Edited August 24, 2022 by atomheartbevo

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

And our stockpiles are eventually rotated through - we normally will fire/use that stuff in training at some point so it’s not wasted.  We don’t buy it and sit on it forever, waiting to use it in a war, and it’ll go unused if we don’t have another war within X amount of time.

Instead, not only is it being used effectively and efficiently, we are getting a shitload of information and analysis about just how good it is against a modern and well-equipped force, information that would normally be hard for us to acquire.  And it’s taking out hardware we won’t have to face in the future, and in theory if it weakens Russia, that’s fantastic for us.  We won’t have to worry about Russia trying to fuck around and find out with us.

And our military analysts are putting together a lot of information that will eventually be utilized by our own troops in terms of tactics and new or different uses for our hardware.   Not to mention our defense comapnies.

HIMARS rockets are like a Meeseeks and it’s basically torture not to let them fulfill their purpose of blowing up vatnik munition dumps. 

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[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

1 hour ago, MillerEP said:

 

I had to watch that second one to see if they really said that.  Wtf.  

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1 hour ago, MillerEP said:

 When it's like "Dude, we aren't giving them 3 billion dollars, we are giving them 3 billion WORTH of stuff. Most of which is just sitting around in stockpiles collecting dust and was probably specifically designed for this purpose anyway. So chill"

There are so many upsides to giving them this shit no matter what side of the fence you sit on in my opinion.

 

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Yeah, “you’re wasting our weapons by letting people blow up Russians with them” is a really weird fucking flex and take. 

 

56 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Instead, not only is it being used effectively and efficiently, we are getting a shitload of information and analysis about just how good it is against a modern and well-equipped force, information that would normally be hard for us to acquire.  And it’s taking out hardware we won’t have to face in the future, and in theory if it weakens Russia, that’s fantastic for us.  We won’t have to worry about Russia trying to fuck around and find out with us.

And our military analysts are putting together a lot of information that will eventually be utilized by our own troops in terms of tactics and new or different uses for our hardware.   Not to mention our defense comapnies.

ALL of this.  Shit that was made to blow up Russians is.....blowing up Russians.   A lot of them, and effectively.  We are rotating existing stockpiles.  Good.  We are learning about our weapons in real-world use, against their actual intended adversary.  We know what works, and what doesn't.  If we ever DO have to get into a shooting war with Russia.....we've seen how our shit matches up to their shit (and not even ALL our shit -- our air power has played ZERO role.  This is like Tampa Bay learning how their entire squad performs in real-game situations, but they have yet to put Tom Brady in.  If they can push their opponent's shit in WITHOUT Brady, they just learned a whole lot).  And, we've incredibly weakened that adversary, so it doesn't have a first-team to field and won't for years to come.

In terms of military bang for the buck against an actual adversary (which Russia unabashedly is), it's hard to think of any military conflict in history that has produced this kind of ROI.

[NeverMarryAStripper 22248]

I don't think it hurts anything to let the Chicoms watch our stuff blow up Russians either

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3 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

I don't think it hurts anything to let the Chicoms watch our stuff  -- being utilized by Ukrainians with 10% of the training of American troops -- blow up Russians either

Don't discount what I added in bold.  This is our stuff being used by people who got relatively minimal training.  If our adversaries ever thought "sure, the Americans have some fancy killer tech, but it's too hard to use, so it won't actually be effective in battle," they can toss that notion in the trash.

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1 hour ago, MillerEP said:

 

 

Please tell me they greased the top ten rungs of the ladder.

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2 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

I had to watch that second one to see if they really said that.  Wtf.  

On the one hand, the Russian state TV shows, you have to think they are just performance art that Putin signed off on, or helped script.  But then you remember their intended audience, and the people behind those shows know those audiences well, and are making their best attempt at selling whatever Putin wants sold to the Russian public.  These shows aren’t clickbait selling gold coins or pillows or natural supplements or movies, they aren’t like American cable news shows trying to stretch out a few minutes of thin content to keep you watching until the end of the show.  They are trying to sell an entire nation on one man’s genocidal mission, and they have been steadily ramping up the batshit rhetoric to eventually convince their viewers  that there should be a general mobilization and more young men sent to their deaths in Ukraine.

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3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

We have spent 10.6 billion in Ukraine since the full scale invasion broke out. Now, Ukraine of course has paid many times over. But with that funding we handed one of two near-peer adversaries a Vietnam-level debacle compressed into six months.

That is a fucking bargain. 

You sure 'bout that, Clark?

I don't think there's a peer to the USA on this planet. And if there is, it ain't Russia.

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

On the one hand, the Russian state TV shows, you have to think they are just performance art that Putin signed off on, or helped script.  They are trying to sell an entire nation on one man’s genocidal mission, and they have been steadily ramping up the batshit rhetoric to eventually convince their viewers  that there should be a general mobilization and more young men sent to their deaths in Ukraine.

 

[Gatorubet 30640]

I think we get distracted by modern casualty figures in recent actions.   The U.S. lost over 180,000 servicemen and women in Europe in WWII.   Over 400,000 when the Pacific is included.  

Ukraine cannot ‘“win” unless they take lost land back from entrenched Russians.  To do that not only requires a shit ton of military equipment, it will require the sacrifice of a depressingly large number of Ukrainian soldiers and civilians.  It just will.   Heartbreaking numbers in fact.    

And I see no way around it.   We can train large numbers of Ukrainians (NATO is trying hard right now), we can give them modern weapons, but they alone can prevail while incurring lives lost and soldiers wounded with every kilometer and village.   And it will be bloody, and it will result in tragic loss of life.  Like 183,000 dead Americans in Europe?  Maybe.  I hope not.  

Such is the cost of freedom. 

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Yesterday

 

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Love the fellas

 

[Homesickhorn 2217]

We have spent 10.6 billion in Ukraine since the full scale invasion broke out. Now, Ukraine of course has paid many times over. But with that funding we handed one of two near-peer adversaries a Vietnam-level debacle compressed into six months.
That is a fucking bargain. 

Like I said, I completely agree. Hopefully I didn’t lead anyone to think otherwise. My post was more a jab at the idiots in our own country getting shitty about the money we’re spending sending weaponry to Ukraine.

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45 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yesterday

 

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3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Don't discount what I added in bold.  This is our stuff being used by people who got relatively minimal training.  If our adversaries ever thought "sure, the Americans have some fancy killer tech, but it's too hard to use, so it won't actually be effective in battle," they can toss that notion in the trash.

American Marines with HIMARS training in the arctic

 

[RDCanecutter 26858]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yesterday

 

Ah, summertime in North Carolina.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4999]

Yeah, back in my younger days I played many a paintball game in East Texas woods like that. Of course there wasn't any kind of life or death thing going on, but when you grow up in those kinds of woods you learn a thing or two. That said, I'm sure it is a bit of an adjustment for many of the soldiers who grew up in more urban environments.