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[InkaUtexas 25541]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

American Marines with HIMARS training in the arctic

 

So you are saying Finland is next? I like that... 

[InkaUtexas 25541]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yesterday

 

North Carolina @RDCanecutter? Hahaha, this reminds me of a shitty day working in Peru and another in Salvador.

Worse part, is early on you hear a scream. That is either a troop finding his cojones or someone getting hit. 

It seems like this war is perceived as a battle of artillery and tanks over open ground. Cities being leveled by heavy weapons. But in those narrow tree lines and streets there are grunts defending lines. That needs to be also seen by everyone. That is some hard terrain and god bless the Ukrainian infantry, territorials and marines. 

[InkaUtexas 25541]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Love the fellas

 

My jeep needs a sticker. 

[InkaUtexas 25541]

Odessa feeling it. I hate hearing and seeing kids in war. But to the mother, she could go back to Yakutsk. 

 

[InkaUtexas 25541]

I love education. Focusing on it and agriculture in shitty places for most of my career (and hopefully retirement plan) I love this sentiment. Staged, maybe, but the sentiment remains. No Headmaster or Teacher wants to see empty classrooms. 

 

[SamsCorner 395]

9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

American Marines with HIMARS training in the arctic

 

In the air, on land and sea......and ice.

[Trey3216 15325]

10 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

I think we get distracted by modern casualty figures in recent actions.   The U.S. lost over 180,000 servicemen and women in Europe in WWII.   Over 400,000 when the Pacific is included.  

Ukraine cannot ‘“win” unless they take lost land back from entrenched Russians.  To do that not only requires a shit ton of military equipment, it will require the sacrifice of a depressingly large number of Ukrainian soldiers and civilians.  It just will.   Heartbreaking numbers in fact.    

And I see no way around it.   We can train large numbers of Ukrainians (NATO is trying hard right now), we can give them modern weapons, but they alone can prevail while incurring lives lost and soldiers wounded with every kilometer and village.   And it will be bloody, and it will result in tragic loss of life.  Like 183,000 dead Americans in Europe?  Maybe.  I hope not.  

Such is the cost of freedom. 

There’s a reason this is at the memorial…

 

[Parliament 14149]

8 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Yeah, back in my younger days I played many a paintball game in East Texas woods like that.

We used BB guns.  Pussy

[RockyMountainHighHorn 890]

Geez that video of the forest is intense. I’ve always wondered if it’s better to get shot when you don’t “know” it’s coming, that forest would definitely lean that way. 

[Chad Fuck 17588]

Geez that video of the forest is intense. I’ve always wondered if it’s better to get shot when you don’t “know” it’s coming, that forest would definitely lean that way. 

Check out first hand accounts of the Battle of the Wilderness/ Spotsylvania Courthouse. Woods catching on fire, burning up the wounded, firing at smoke clouds, all sorts of craziness.

[Fico 1743]

On the surface doesn't appear to me to be a war time mobilization but moving closer. Is the plan is to increase the conscripts in the fall draft (Oct - Dec) and convert some percentage (through various means) into contract soldiers? That could solve some of the man power issues by early next year, but with unmotivated, untrained replacements.

Or if Putin successfully freezes the conflict for 24-60 months, this increase in manpower potentially poses an issue for Ukraine. 

[SimonBolivar 10949]

11 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

I think we get distracted by modern casualty figures in recent actions.   The U.S. lost over 180,000 servicemen and women in Europe in WWII.   Over 400,000 when the Pacific is included.  

Ukraine cannot ‘“win” unless they take lost land back from entrenched Russians.  To do that not only requires a shit ton of military equipment, it will require the sacrifice of a depressingly large number of Ukrainian soldiers and civilians.  It just will.   Heartbreaking numbers in fact.    

And I see no way around it.   We can train large numbers of Ukrainians (NATO is trying hard right now), we can give them modern weapons, but they alone can prevail while incurring lives lost and soldiers wounded with every kilometer and village.   And it will be bloody, and it will result in tragic loss of life.  Like 183,000 dead Americans in Europe?  Maybe.  I hope not.  

Such is the cost of freedom. 

I disagree. Watch the video from yesterday where hackers broke into cam systems and started playing Ukrainian music. In that video you see a lot of Russians laughing at it, this isn't the Grand Patriotic War to them. This is an inconvenience that is getting a lot of poor regional Russians killed and that isn't sustainable.

The Soviets didn't lose Afghanistan because of great victories by the Afghans. We didn't lose Nam because the NVA knocked us out. Rather both countries lost their will to die for something that ultimately the public didn't care very much about while the other side was extremely emotionally invested. Putin's tyranny will allow them to fight a bit longer than usual, but they can't continue sustaining loses in Ukraine like they have in the first 6 months and expect to hold on indefinitely.

[gernblansten 3189]

7 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

I love education. Focusing on it and agriculture in shitty places for most of my career (and hopefully retirement plan) I love this sentiment. Staged, maybe, but the sentiment remains. No Headmaster or Teacher wants to see empty classrooms. 

 

[The Dog 43855]

 

[The Dog 43855]

 

[atomheartbevo 89470]

11 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

The Soviets didn't lose Afghanistan because of great victories by the Afghans. We didn't lose Nam because the NVA knocked us out. Rather both countries lost their will to die for something that ultimately the public didn't care very much about while the other side was extremely emotionally invested. Putin's tyranny will allow them to fight a bit longer than usual, but they can't continue sustaining loses in Ukraine like they have in the first 6 months and expect to hold on indefinitely.

Look at the Tet offensive in Vietnam - the US killed and wounded far more North Vietnamese than they killed US/South Vietnamese, and we killed a shitload of their best and brightest soldiers who led the offensive(s).  

Tactically, it was an American/South Vietnamese victory, but the American public didn’t see or comprehend the numbers, what the American public saw was things like the North Vietnamese fighting US troops inside the Saigon embassy which was on the far south of Vietnam and ostensibly the safest place in South Vietnam, and that left an impression that we couldn’t defend against these guys.  It was a huge morale boost for the North Vietnamese.  Yes, we stayed around for another 5-7 years, but the psychological damage was done to us.

Putin is out there telling the Russian public that everything is going okay, but he’s trying to call up more people, and the Russian public has now experienced what is possibly, maybe even arguably, their Tet offensive moment, with the attacks on Crimea.  They are told that Crimea is Russian, they felt it was safe to the point that thousands of civilians were there for tourism purposes, and all of the sudden they are having to flee as Crimea begins to suffer more and more attacks.  They now know that Crimea is not as safe and secure as they were told.

 

[atomheartbevo 89470]

27 minutes ago, Fico said:

On the surface doesn't appear to me to be a war time mobilization but moving closer. Is the plan is to increase the conscripts in the fall draft (Oct - Dec) and convert some percentage (through various means) into contract soldiers? That could solve some of the man power issues by early next year, but with unmotivated, untrained replacements.

Or if Putin successfully freezes the conflict for 24-60 months, this increase in manpower potentially poses an issue for Ukraine. 

Yeah, Putin is still fighting with a peacetime army, and given his background, he may not even understand that distinction.  He’s doing this way too late to have an impact on the Russian offensive within Ukraine.  This feels more like he’s going to try and reinforce Crimea/DPR, assuming the Russian legislature considers Crimea and/or the LPR/DPR a part of Russia - I believe he can send conscripts to those areas, but not outside of them.

Im assuming the sham referendums he’s trying to get pushed through would open up more areas of Ukraine to conscripts.

I don’t see how Putin can freeze it for 24-60 months - Ukraine continues to mobilize more troops, and thousands of Ukrainians are being trained by NATO.  Meanwhile, Russia is running out of advanced munitions and hardware, with no ability to replace them in the short term.

This is going to be something to watch, because it could turn the Russian public against him.  Everybody knows that if his Special Military Operation was succeeding, he wouldn’t need to add another 130,000 troops.

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[956 Worldwide 34494]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Look at the Tet offensive in Vietnam - the US killed and wounded far more North Vietnamese than they killed US/South Vietnamese, and we killed a shitload of their best and brightest soldiers who led the offensive(s).  

Tactically, it was an American/South Vietnamese victory, but the American public didn’t see or comprehend the numbers, what the American public saw was things like the North Vietnamese fighting US troops inside the Saigon embassy which was on the far south of Vietnam and ostensibly the safest place in South Vietnam, and that left an impression that we couldn’t defend against these guys.  It was a huge morale boost for the North Vietnamese.  Yes, we stayed around for another 5-7 years, but the psychological damage was done to us.

Putin is out there telling the Russian public that everything is going okay, but he’s trying to call up more people, and the Russian public has now experienced what is possibly, maybe even arguably, their Tet offensive moment, with the attacks on Crimea.  They are told that Crimea is Russian, they felt it was safe to the point that thousands of civilians were there for tourism purposes, and all of the sudden they are having to flee as Crimea begins to suffer more and more attacks.  They now know that Crimea is not as safe and secure as they were told.

 

Part of the “referendums” will include a full court information campaign to convince Ukrainians outside those zones that the occupied regions don’t want to be part of Ukraine and that it will be a waste of blood to fight over it.  I don’t think that playbook will work again, but it had some success in freezing the conflicts in the east and getting attention away from Crimea.  
 

I was at dinner in 2019 with a Ukrainian speaking, westernized group of patriots and we started talking Crimea. One of them said “Crimea is ours and we’ll never say it isn’t. But when it comes to fighting, we can’t want Crimea to be Ukraine more than Crimeans want to be Ukrainian.” There was broad agreement around the table.

But for the next few years Russia has screwed that up entirely.  They replaced some real apathy with actual hatred. 

[Brisketexan 104744]

3 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Part of the “referendums” will include a full court information campaign to convince Ukrainians outside those zones that the occupied regions don’t want to be part of Ukraine and that it will be a waste of blood to fight over it.  I don’t think that playbook will work again, but it had some success in freezing the conflicts in the east and getting attention away from Crimea.  
 

I was at dinner in 2019 with a Ukrainian speaking, westernized group of patriots and we started talking Crimea. One of them said “Crimea is ours and we’ll never say it isn’t. But when it comes to fighting, we can’t want Crimea to be Ukraine more than Crimeans want to be Ukrainian.” There was broad agreement around the table.

But for the next few years Russia has screwed that up entirely.  They replaced some real apathy with actual hatred. 

And I suspect that sentiment has also grown WITHIN the "disputed territories."  For someone in Donetsk, when the Russians have subjected you to combat and shelling, and when they press-gang your husband into military service while he's on his way to pick up the kids from school, handing him a 100 yr old rifle and a 70 yr old helmet with no training and sending him into a meatgrinder, tends to sour your impression of the Russians.  I really do wonder what actual local sentiment in the "disputed territories" is like, but I strongly suspect that any tilt has not been in Russia's direction.

[InkaUtexas 25541]

19 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Part of the “referendums” will include a full court information campaign to convince Ukrainians outside those zones that the occupied regions don’t want to be part of Ukraine and that it will be a waste of blood to fight over it.  I don’t think that playbook will work again, but it had some success in freezing the conflicts in the east and getting attention away from Crimea.  
 

I was at dinner in 2019 with a Ukrainian speaking, westernized group of patriots and we started talking Crimea. One of them said “Crimea is ours and we’ll never say it isn’t. But when it comes to fighting, we can’t want Crimea to be Ukraine more than Crimeans want to be Ukrainian.” There was broad agreement around the table.

But for the next few years Russia has screwed that up entirely.  They replaced some real apathy with actual hatred. 

This is a strong point that is overlooked. You cannot want it more than the local population. This is something I think the Russians are about to learn. I have wondered how many UA SOF operators were left behind with the instructions to lie low and see how it goes. If the UA could hold, start some shit. If not, get back across the lines. 

Can there be reconciliation? Probably not in the next 20 years and then it will fester. Reading up on history, the longest period of peace between Russia and the Ukraine was post WW2. The countries tended to fight a war every other generation. Same shit in the Balkans. 

Very good point. 

Edited August 25, 2022 by InkaUtexas
Messed up grammar. The G PoPo scare me.

[Chad Fuck 17588]

5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And I suspect that sentiment has also grown WITHIN the "disputed territories."  For someone in Donetsk, when the Russians have subjected you to combat and shelling, and when they press-gang your husband into military service while he's on his way to pick up the kids from school, handing him a 100 yr old rifle and a 70 yr old helmet with no training and sending him into a meatgrinder, tends to sour your impression of the Russians.  I really do wonder what actual local sentiment in the "disputed territories" is like, but I strongly suspect that any tilt has not been in Russia's direction.

Add on top of that watching the Russkies bringing their ill gotten goods back through and not stopping to drop anything off.  It has to pass through the minds of the citizens of the "disputed territories" "Hey, where did all those fancy washing machines come from and why aren't they dropping them off here?  Maybe if I got back with those other guys, I could have some fancy washing machines too!  Maybe even indoor plumbing and a private bathroom!"

 

[956 Worldwide 34494]

The new outrage on vatnik/FSB Twitter is the revelation that when POTUS announced drawdowns of U.S. military equipment that would be sent to Ukraine…..that meant that some U.S. military equipment would get sent to Ukraine.

 

[InkaUtexas 25541]

Well unlike the Russians, we cycle out our MRE's. 

[Scheiss Meister 8399]

I was going to comment that the Guard troops probably appreciate the fresher MREs.  And the troops in Korea must feel better about having fresher ammo.

[Pescado_Rojo 19338]

7 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

I was going to comment that the Guard troops probably appreciate the fresher MREs.  And the troops in Korea must feel better about having fresher ammo.

And your friends at Raytheon, GD, Winchester, etc are sitting over there like

[Brisketexan 104744]

8 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

And your friends at Raytheon, GD, Winchester, etc are sitting over there like

Seems that we are learning that the expression "there's no bigger waste of money than having the second-best air force in a war" can actually be applied to naval forces, ground forces, transport infrastructure....all of it.

[956 Worldwide 34494]

Man, if you go one degree of removal from the “mainstream” vatnik Twitter accounts things get super cringe. 
 

 

[Macanudo 12936]

10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Seems that we are learning that the expression "there's no bigger waste of money than having the second-best air force in a war" can actually be applied to naval forces, ground forces, transport infrastructure....all of it.

I don't know that if that maxim always applies.  Seems like having the 2nd biggest dick in porn wouldn't be such a bad thing.

[Brisketexan 104744]

3 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

I don't know that if that maxim always applies.  Seems like having the 2nd biggest dick in porn wouldn't be such a bad thing.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, man.

[Parliament 14149]

3 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Seems like having the 2nd biggest dick in porn wouldn't be such a bad thing.

I find it to be a burden, actually.

[956 Worldwide 34494]

1 minute ago, Parliament said:

I find it to be a burden, actually.

People always ask me “how big is the second biggest dick in porn,” never “how is the second biggest dick in porn doing.”

[Trey3216 15325]

26 minutes ago, Parliament said:

I find it to be a burden, actually.

makes it really tough to sleep on my stomach. I always end up on my side after a good dream  

[kevwun 15675]

6 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

Check out first hand accounts of the Battle of the Wilderness/ Spotsylvania Courthouse. Woods catching on fire, burning up the wounded, firing at smoke clouds, all sorts of craziness.

Or Little Round Top at Gettsburg which combined a forest, boulders and a hill.

Edited August 25, 2022 by kevwun

[Brisketexan 104744]

55 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Man, if you go one degree of removal from the “mainstream” vatnik Twitter accounts things get super cringe. 
 

 

[half of Surly] Go on...... [/half of Surly]

[Armybrat 40754]

1 hour ago, Parliament said:

I find it to be a burden, actually.

That’s what she said.

[MillerEP 30348]

 

[Schulz2.0 28828]

 

[Brisketexan 104744]

1 minute ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

Interesting.  In adversarial situations, it is often a sound strategy to "strike while you are somewhat less disadvantaged than the other guy."  Put another way: I may be weakened and not entirely ready to go....but if you're even weaker and even less ready to go, NOW is the time for me to strike.  Me at 70% matched up against you at 60% is a material advantage -- strike while I have it.

[MillerEP 30348]

 

[jdhorn92 1538]

3 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

that's a shame

[MillerEP 30348]

 

[Schulz2.0 28828]

14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Interesting.  In adversarial situations, it is often a sound strategy to "strike while you are somewhat less disadvantaged than the other guy."  Put another way: I may be weakened and not entirely ready to go....but if you're even weaker and even less ready to go, NOW is the time for me to strike.  Me at 70% matched up against you at 60% is a material advantage -- strike while I have it.

I don't believe Ukraine has the amount of highly trained troops or equipment to press forward outside of Russian blunders.

[MillerEP 30348]

 

[Sawbonz 27447]

5 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

I don't believe Ukraine has the amount of highly trained troops or equipment to press forward outside of Russian blunders.

They don’t have to prosecute a traditional advance. All they need to do is make the occupied areas untenable for the Russian troops and unlivable for Russian civilians. I think they can do this

[MillerEP 30348]

 

[Brisketexan 104744]

3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

They don’t have to prosecute a traditional advance. All they need to do is make the occupied areas untenable for the Russian troops and unlivable for Russian civilians. I think they can do this

This.

I don't have to completely take the room you're in.  I just have to relentlessly fart in it until you have no choice but to leave.

I speak from experience in such matters.