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[atomheartbevo 89407]

45 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

I would be shocked if Kherson falls in the next week. To do it now would cost 10 times the lives it would in 6 weeks because of the continued attrition of equipment due to lack of supplies and replacement parts.

I would expect more action toward Svatove and continued action east of Lyman, but I don’t see the UKA pushing a full on offensive in Kherson unless the RU has completely broken and have started a full on panic retreat over the river by leaving everything else (gear, equipment, armor ect).

I would agree, but the Russians are in disarray, there’s talk that their mobilization is tying up logistics, and the Ukrainians have been chipping away at their logistics and HQs. 

[Laxtonto 11927]

22 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I would agree, but the Russians are in disarray, there’s talk that their mobilization is tying up logistics, and the Ukrainians have been chipping away at their logistics and HQs. 

My issue is that with how urbanized Kherson is, any decisive battle to finally crush the RU forces on the west side of the Deniper is going to be a long bloody mess. That is something the UKA is desperately trying to avoid. So unless the situation in Kherson has devolved to the point that there is either a general surrender or a massive spontaneous retreat, I just don’t see it happening any time soon.

That being said I can see the prelude to the final event where multiple fronts crack and so the RU pills back to their final defensive positions or mass at one of the wrecked bridge heads praying for a miracle, but I am doubtful we will see a resolution to the battle of Kherson this week.

The sad part is strategically, Kherson is “won”, it is just down to how much time and blood are both sides willing to spend. With no bridges and no air cover, the RU troops are trapped and are starring into winter with no supply line or reinforcements. The UKA know this, but also desperately want to keep Kherson as intact as possible. So it’s a waiting game that is much tied to destroying the moral of the RU troops as it is defeating the man.

 

[Parliament 14128]

1 hour ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

22 round are in the auto loading carousel. The tank can carry more, but has to be exposed to reload the carousel.

 

For perspective, how much can an Abrams carry?

[Judge Roybeanbag 11806]

8 minutes ago, Parliament said:

For perspective, how much can an Abrams carry?

44 in the turret and 11 in protected storage.

[Nivek 16851]

But what we have seen recently from the Ukrainian Armed Forces is more evidence that they have a better understanding of modern multi-domain war than all of us.
Their mastery of modern war - including strategic influence operations - has also induced profound psychological shock in the Russians at the political, strategic, operational & tactical levels. Russia must now respond to Ukrainian initiatives at levels.
 
 

I wonder where they got this sudden master class in how to go from getting overwhelmed and early to slaughtering the Russians and breaking their experienced army?

[KYHorn 16857]

 

[KYHorn 16857]

 

 

[686 3404]

Decent interview:

https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-and-canadian-foreign-minister-melanie-joly-at-a-joint-press-availability/

“It’s a tremendous opportunity to once and for all remove the dependence on Russian energy and thus to take away from Vladimir Putin the weaponization of energy as a means of advancing his imperial designs.”

I’m wondering if we should be isolating Putin from Russia at this point in communications, i.e. something like “we will welcome the Russian people back into the international economy when they stop Mr. Putin’s wars, etc.; in the mean time we will work to make sure alternate energy supplies are available to our Allies and partners who wish to avoid doing business with Mr. Putin.”

Start clearly illustrating the off ramp for the Russian people, since Putin isn’t interested in off ramps.

[Born to Run 6565]

I wonder where they got this sudden master class in how to go from getting overwhelmed and early to slaughtering the Russians and breaking their experienced army?

They killed all the best units of the Russian Army plus a thousand plus officers and the rest are pieces of dick?
I really expect the offensive to steamroll for quite a bit longer, even though it's already quite remarkable what has been liberated.

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[elfenix 34171]

nsiap

 

 

[bolverk 29397]

This is a good one.

 

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I need this painting in the living room

this guy

https://shupliak.art/gallery/2022/the-great-battle-of-ukraine-with-mordor

 

https://twitter.com/OlegShupliak

 

Edited October 3, 2022 by atomheartbevo

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The look on the Belarusian’s face when one of the other talking heads said Belarus belongs to Russia

 

 

from the same clip posted last night, some of the comments…aggy as hell.

“All Ukraine is with us” but also “everywhere we go the adversary outnumbers us 5 to 1”. Who does he think fights in the Ukraine’s army, Santa’s elves? Or is it Malcolm Nance again? Clearly Ukraine isn’t with you my dude.

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The ability of these people to victimize themselves in every situation is mind-blowing. Chechnya “happened to them” and looks like now Ukraine is “happening to them.” Zero introspection.

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Edited October 3, 2022 by atomheartbevo

[Nivek 16851]

9 hours ago, 686 said:

Decent interview:

https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-and-canadian-foreign-minister-melanie-joly-at-a-joint-press-availability/

“It’s a tremendous opportunity to once and for all remove the dependence on Russian energy and thus to take away from Vladimir Putin the weaponization of energy as a means of advancing his imperial designs.”

I’m wondering if we should be isolating Putin from Russia at this point in communications, i.e. something like “we will welcome the Russian people back into the international economy when they stop Mr. Putin’s wars, etc.; in the mean time we will work to make sure alternate energy supplies are available to our Allies and partners who wish to avoid doing business with Mr. Putin.”

Start clearly illustrating the off ramp for the Russian people, since Putin isn’t interested in off ramps.

Seems to me the message should read "we will welcome the Russian people and industry back into the world economy when they rid themselves of aggressive conquerors pining for a past false empire and embrace a cooperative world of trade and good will, dismantle their WMD's and recognized the sovereignty of their neighbors states.  Also they have to return to Germany or allow the people to create their own state of Prussia (Because I like the name and for no other reason).   

Till then, the men and women of Russia can keep collecting Ukrainian bullets and artillery. 

[Nivek 16851]

22 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

The look on the Belarusian’s face when one of the other talking heads said Belarus belongs to Russia

 

 

from the same clip posted last night, some of the comments…aggy as hell.

“All Ukraine is with us” but also “everywhere we go the adversary outnumbers us 5 to 1”. Who does he think fights in the Ukraine’s army, Santa’s elves? Or is it Malcolm Nance again? Clearly Ukraine isn’t with you my dude.

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The ability of these people to victimize themselves in every situation is mind-blowing. Chechnya “happened to them” and looks like now Ukraine is “happening to them.” Zero introspection.

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The good is that they get it fully explained to them where they stand with Russia.  They thought they were partners and allies, but they are being ordered around like they are their bitches.  NATO doesn't behave this way toward our allies.  We don't shit on Lithuania or Poland, but rather build them up.   They chose poorly. 

[KYHorn 16857]

 

 

 Seen in greater context of the offensive here: 

Edited October 3, 2022 by KYHorn

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

Good read from smart people who think about how wars end. 
 

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-inquiry/how-the-war-in-ukraine-might-end

 

 

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https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/03/politics/ukraine-weapons-us-atacms-targeting-veto/index.html
 

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In an effort to overcome Biden administration resistance to providing it with a new set of powerful, long-range rocket systems, the Ukrainian government is now offering the US full and ongoing visibility into their list of intended Russian targets, multiple officials familiar with the discussions tell CNN.

The remarkable transparency essentially gives the US veto power over Ukrainian targeting of Russia and is meant to convince the administration that providing the critical weapons would not lead to strikes inside Russian territory, which the US fears would escalate the war and draw it directly into a conflict with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

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Still, the idea of taking a more active role in discussions over Ukrainian targeting raises American fears of being seen as more involved than it would like. 

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Ukrainian officials have kept the longer-range ATACMS at the top of their wish list, saying they are ready to be as “open as needed” to assuage American concerns and have already listed for the US precisely what they intend to go after.

“We essentially described exactly what specific targets we need to hit on our territory which are not reachable with what we have now,” said a senior Ukrainian official. “The categories of targets are clear and do not change.”

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Among them would be more distant Russian logistical lines, air defense and bases, as well as ammunition depots in Ukraine’s east and south, including Crimea, which have become a regular target of the current US-provided rocket systems whose munitions have a maximum range of around 50 miles (80 kilometers).

The new rockets would also allow Ukraine to strike deeper into Crimea to target the launching points of Russia’s Iranian drones, something it cannot currently do, according to an American source familiar with the country’s requests.

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In pressing the Americans for the longer-range rockets, Ukrainian officials have also dismissed concerns that they would strike Russian territory, arguing they have not done so with the HIMARS systems despite having the range to in some cases.

“We gave assurances that we will not do it [with the HIMARS] and we did not,” the Ukrainian official said. “I think the problem is for the US to get over the psychological threshold and approve the [ATACMS] capability.”

I would prefer we not be rubber stamping heir targets and just let them keep doing what they are doing , preferably with ATACMS

[SimonBolivar 10911]

17 minutes ago, Nivek said:

The good is that they get it fully explained to them where they stand with Russia.  They thought they were partners and allies, but they are being ordered around like they are their bitches.  NATO doesn't behave this way toward our allies.  We don't shit on Lithuania or Poland, but rather build them up.   They chose poorly. 

Depends on the administration 

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9 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/03/politics/ukraine-weapons-us-atacms-targeting-veto/index.html
 

I would prefer we not be rubber stamping heir targets and just let them keep doing what they are doing , preferably with ATACMS

Overall I give our Governement an A for how we've participated in this war.  Let's give them the good rockets and whatever fighter jets they can use.  Let's earn an A+ here.  History is watching.  

[atomheartbevo 89407]

1 minute ago, Parliament said:

Overall I give our Governement an A for how we've participated in this war.  Let's give them the good rockets and whatever fighter jets they can use.  Let's earn an A+ here.  History is watching.  

We also need to clone Malcolm Nance and send a bunch of the clones over, because he’s living in their heads rent-free.

[Gatorubet 30083]

55 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

“All Ukraine is with us” but also “everywhere we go the adversary outnumbers us 5 to 1”. Who does he think fights in the Ukraine’s army, Santa’s elves? Or is it Malcolm Nance again? Clearly Ukraine isn’t with you my dude.

Also, Ukraine has 5-7 times the troop losses, but slips in that Russia’s losses are “heavy”.   They have to justify the 60k deaths, which people are figuring out, so they have to fight overwhelming odds and inflict exponential casualties to the other side - as a sort of prophylactic explanation for all of the Russian sunflower fertilizer. 

Edited October 3, 2022 by Gatorubet

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

Just now, Gatorubet said:

5-7

triggered

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2 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

5-7

1 minute ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

triggered

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Twenty five or six to four was taken already. 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

27 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Good read from smart people who think about how wars end. 
 

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-inquiry/how-the-war-in-ukraine-might-end

 

 

Read the article…my only question is “So, uh, how is the war going to end?”

[DigglerontheHoof 21052]

3 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Read the article…my only question is “So, uh, how is the war going to end?”

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

4 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

One dude suggested a small tactical nuke might get fired, but didn’t really lay out the dominoes that would then fall and lead to an end to the war.

It seems to me the only way this ends is a coup that topples Putin and a new regime laying the blame at his feet while trying to provide assurances to the West that they are ready to re-join the global community.

But if they haven’t already killed him, what are they waiting for? 

[956 Worldwide 34422]

All the usual Kremlin flunkies and socks are pushing “we’re so close to nuclear war, be afraid” today which makes me feel better about it not happening. 
 

 

 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

All the usual Kremlin flunkies and socks are pushing “we’re so close to nuclear war, be afraid” today which makes me feel better about it not happening. 
 

 

 

My response to all that is from the great Winston Churchill from that article I posted:  “If this long [island] story of ours is to end at last, let it end only when each of us lies choking in his own blood upon the ground.”.

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6 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

All the usual Kremlin flunkies and socks are pushing “we’re so close to nuclear war, be afraid” today which makes me feel better about it not happening. 

Yep. Once again, bluffing.  When he said he’s not bluffing, we all knew he was.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

30 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

One dude suggested a small tactical nuke might get fired, but didn’t really lay out the dominoes that would then fall and lead to an end to the war.

It seems to me the only way this ends is a coup that topples Putin and a new regime laying the blame at his feet while trying to provide assurances to the West that they are ready to re-join the global community.

But if they haven’t already killed him, what are they waiting for? 

That's the only way it ends -- if it is going to end quickly in a way we want it to.  More likely is the WWI analog from the article where they acknowledge loss is inevitable from months into the war but continue to fight because they'll be hanged if they don't.  

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30 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

It seems to me the only way this ends is a coup that topples Putin and a new regime laying the blame at his feet while trying to provide assurances to the West that they are ready to re-join the global community.

Or if you’re armybrat

 

[atomheartbevo 89407]

Look forward to the day that Julia Davis loses her shit and starts blasting out over Twitter that Russian state TV is playing Swan Lake.

[Not that Bob 734]

31 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

All the usual Kremlin flunkies and socks are pushing “we’re so close to nuclear war, be afraid” today which makes me feel better about it not happening. 
 

 

 

Tell me Russian Embassy, what was the lead up to that precedent set by The United States?

[cactusflinthead 27594]

 

[Pescado_Rojo 19331]

I have a king bed I'm only using half of, if she needs a place to stay for a while. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

who tf is caitlin johnson?  scrolling her feed and she is a grade A retard.  it reads like marjorie tg took a intro to philosophy class or something

[tokamak 6351]

1 hour ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

One dude suggested a small tactical nuke might get fired, but didn’t really lay out the dominoes that would then fall and lead to an end to the war.

It seems to me the only way this ends is a coup that topples Putin and a new regime laying the blame at his feet while trying to provide assurances to the West that they are ready to re-join the global community.

But if they haven’t already killed him, what are they waiting for? 

I haven't read The New Yorker yet but I don't see how a coup fundamentally changes things. It would be coming from top political/military leaders, and they can't turn the propaganda machine on a dime, or else they'll be labeled Western sympathizers by the remaining Putinists. I think has to be a popular revolution for there to be meaningful change.

What about the possibility of a stalemate with occasional border skirmishes, kind of like India-Pakistan? Right or wrong, domestic considerations will eventually put up barriers to us continuing to pour billions into Ukraine's defense, without which they probably can't keep Russia back pushing.

[statsman 5421]

WRT nuclear threats- ask the basketball question, “Are their knees flexed? If not, it’s a fake”. 
 
When you start seeing all the important Russians returning home, when you see weeks of stores being amassed in government centers, then worry. But if it’s just a bunch of on-the-take pundits and Russian spokesman threatening, take it with a grain of salt. (I’m pretty sure we have some great eavesdropping going on to see “if the knees are flexed”). 

[tokamak 6351]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

All the usual Kremlin flunkies and socks are pushing “we’re so close to nuclear war, be afraid” today which makes me feel better about it not happening. 
 

 

 

[Royalfan5 2348]

19 minutes ago, tokamak said:

I haven't read The New Yorker yet but I don't see how a coup fundamentally changes things. It would be coming from top political/military leaders, and they can't turn the propaganda machine on a dime, or else they'll be labeled Western sympathizers by the remaining Putinists. I think has to be a popular revolution for there to be meaningful change.

What about the possibility of a stalemate with occasional border skirmishes, kind of like India-Pakistan? Right or wrong, domestic considerations will eventually put up barriers to us continuing to pour billions into Ukraine's defense, without which they probably can't keep Russia back pushing.

The big assumption there seems to be that the Russian rank and file will have the desire to be in any sort of fight soon, and I'm not convinced that will be the case at all. 

[Parliament 14128]

Call me a homer, but I'm gonna say America has a great history of using nuclear weapons when it's right, leaving them in the case when we should, and not being a pussy when a shitbag, little dick despot gets uppity.  I trust our judgement.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

One thing to mention about US sentiment…I don’t know that we lost our appetite for war so much as we lost our appetite for unwinnable wars. 

If Russia decides to get nuke-y I think we’re going to go ham on Moscow.

[bolverk 29397]

I was hesitant to post this because of the "modern Americans drink coffee made of snow and on Tuesday they eat yummy birds" vibe, but it looks to have been verified.