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[DigglerontheHoof 20474]

16 hours ago, AUS-97HORN said:

this could be a serious issue shortly. Ukraine is going to most likely lose French support.

 

Macron's party got trounced in a prelim election today, forcing him to dissolve parliment and set a snap vote in 3 weeks to refill everything.

it looks like he and his party will be landslide outvotted in 3 weeks. with the far right candidate being the new leader of France

 

 

Western democracies better figure out a way to combat Russian right-wing propaganda or we'll all become fascist states. 

[Bevo 13419]

14 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Western democracies better figure out a way to combat Russian right-wing propaganda or we'll all become fascist states. 

 

The main issue is immigration. Western leaders need to learn how to fix it or right-wingers will gain influence.

[Schulz2.0 28616]

18 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

The main issue is immigration. Western leaders need to learn how to fix it or right-wingers will gain influence.

A lot of Europe's illegal immigration has been driven by Russia (Syria, Africa).

[Schulz2.0 28616]

 

[Bevo 13419]

36 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

A lot of Europe's illegal immigration has been driven by Russia (Syria, Africa).

 

I would have to do the research but illegal immigration hasn't been a big issue in Europe. The issues have been legal immigration policies and amnesty policies.

 

https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-europe

 

[KYHorn 16698]

I really hope more of this is going on

 

[KYHorn 16698]

4 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

I can't remember if it's been posted here or not but Russia is increasingly recruiting local extremists and gangs to do what their own operatives used to do before they were expelled. Unfortunately, it gives Russia another level of deniability and provides the Western countries space to not have to retaliate against Russia. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/11/russia-recruiting-far-right-extremists-attacks-west-putin/ 

[Gatorubet 29473]

2 hours ago, KYHorn said:

More prep work with ATACMS

Russian channel ASTRA confirms the info reported by the Ukrainian General Staff.

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During an overnight missile attack on Crimea on June 10, two S-300 complexes and four radars were damaged. The attack involved at least 10 ATACMS missiles, none of which were intercepted. The strikes targeted locations of the 31st Air Defense Division of the Russian Defense Ministry, resulting in one serviceman killed and six wounded. Specifically, four missiles hit the Dzankoyskiy rayon, damaging two radar stations and injuring one serviceman. Another four missiles struck the Sakskiy rayon, damaging military equipment and wounding another serviceman. Two additional missiles hit the Chornomorske district near Hromovka, damaging two radars and two S-300 complexes, killing one serviceman, and wounding four others. The AFU General Staff reported successful strikes on an S-400 anti-aircraft missile division near Dzhankoy, and two S-300 divisions near Chernomorskoye and Yevpatoria.

I would think with the sanctions in place it would be near to impossible for Russia to quickly pump out replacement air defense systems.   And if the choice is protecting important elites in Moscow and St. Petersburg - or protecting contract soldiers in Ukraine - the latter are SOL.   And the ones that protect energy and oil refinery and production won’t be removed either.    

My assumptions are based on, absolutely nothing, so do any of the more knowledgeable people here have any idea how easy or hard it is for Russia to build replacement missile defense radar systems - or know how many they have in warehouses?

[mbtex 683]

On 6/8/2024 at 11:10 AM, Superhero said:

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[Trey3216 15305]

On 6/8/2024 at 6:50 PM, MillerEP said:

She has Resting Dictator Face.

Despot Dimples  

[Chopper 16047]

Within 3 days of each other we're going to have votes in the UK and in France. Will be very interesting. The short timeline (snap election) in France and their unique election rules makes things more difficult for the more fringe parties. It will be an interesting month.

[PTINS 3416]

23 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Within 3 days of each other we're going to have votes in the UK and in France. Will be very interesting. The short timeline (snap election) in France and their unique election rules makes things more difficult for the more fringe parties. It will be an interesting month.

Italy's PM Meloni comes out on top in EU vote, strengthening her hand

ROME, June 10 (Reuters) - Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni's arch-conservative Brothers of Italy group won the most votes in the European parliamentary election over the weekend, boosting her standing both at home and abroad.

"I am proud that Italy will present itself to the G7, to Europe with the strongest government of all. This is something that has not happened in the past but is happening today, it is a satisfaction and also a great responsibility," Meloni said early on Monday from the party's headquarters.

The EU ballot indicated that Meloni's ruling coalition, made up of parties that stretch from the centre-right to the far right of the political spectrum, saw its support climb to more than 47% from just under 43% in 2022.

"It's a spur for (the government) to move forward. Italians are giving us a loud and clear message to go ahead with our work ... and if possible with greater determination."

Meloni's party traces its roots back to a neo-fascist group, and her 2022 victory set the tone for far-right gains across Europe, including in the latest EU ballot, which has seen the continent swing right.

However, Meloni has moderated her image on the international stage, dropping her previous anti-EU rhetoric and presenting herself as a bridge between the mainstream centre-right and her own national conservative camp, which was previously shunned.

Her strong showing on Sunday came in stark contrast to setbacks suffered by French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, whose parties were routed.

Speaking on radio, Meloni said, however, it was still too early to say whether she would back a second term for centre-right European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.  Her group of lawmakers might prove decisive should Meloni decide to back von der Leyen, potentially giving Rome leverage over the new EU executive.
 

I won't pretend to understand the inner workings of the EU, but Meloni's strength is good for Ukraine, I think. She won in 2022 as a far-right candidate, and quickly pivoted as one of Ukraine's strongest supporters. She is a powerful, passionate speaker who put right and wrong principles over the party politics that got her elected. I don't understand Italian, but I would support her for the simple reason I wouldn't want to be against her.

Whether or not Italy's military and economic posture match her rhetoric I don't know, but she does not appear to be a sit on the fence and let's see what happens kind of gal.  

[Laxtonto 11770]

10 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I would think with the sanctions in place it would be near to impossible for Russia to quickly pump out replacement air defense systems.   And if the choice is protecting important elites in Moscow and St. Petersburg - or protecting contract soldiers in Ukraine - the latter are SOL.   And the ones that protect energy and oil refinery and production won’t be removed either.    

My assumptions are based on, absolutely nothing, so do any of the more knowledgeable people here have any idea how easy or hard it is for Russia to build replacement missile defense radar systems - or know how many they have in warehouses?

Just a few thoughts on this and the overall impact it has on the current situation. The air defenses and their use are the"canary in the coal mine" for the direction of the conflict for the near future.

There is definitely a limited supply and limited production.  This makes every system lost that much more of a big deal and leads to even more poignant decisions about placement and the value of what to protect.

The problem, in part, is the clash in the strategy of how you protect a front with overlapping overages for integrated air defense (ie Crimea) vs protecting a static high-value target (ie individual refineries or Moscow). To keep the integrated system up and running, you need a much higher density of systems in place to cover the same average area as that covered in a standalone placement.  So every system sent to protect other targets away from the front has a multiplicative impact. This becomes even more important when you are trying to protect from air sorties from sophisticated fighter aircraft instead of drones and "dumb" missiles.

So as they continue to lose systems, then they have to decide do they protect the economic and social targets well off the front, or the troops along a long continued front.  This is in part the beauty of their drone strikes and the changes it has pushed in the modern air defense strategy. These strikes are cheap assets to send from an offensive perspective that can force the opponent to tie up a very expensive very limited defensive resource to cover targets so far away from the front that they do not provide any real additive defensive value to the rest of the theater. Right now we are seeing Russia react to the cheap drones vs the various long-range missile systems. It becomes even more complicated when you mix in the F16s.

Right now, most of the integrated air defense is somewhat simplified because the shape of the operating theater in most places is about 100km deep in a forward-facing setting backed up against Russia or the Sea of Azov. This only gets complicated when you get S/W of Melitopol into Crimeia, where there are multiple avenues to approach. It is harder to defend when you have to pay attention in multiple directions with little backstop and have to place your systems within the Ukraine vs. in  Russia where they have been protected by an ordnance use order.

In the near term, the strikes on these systems are great just to see Russia have to play the "rob Peter to pay Paul" resource scarcity game. It becomes obvious to everyone who/what values more depending on where they place these limited assets. Long-term, the continued strikes on the air defense systems are really all just prep for the F16's arrival this summer.  But this is one of those times where you can run with the "why not both" gif and be happy.

The loss of the two A-50s plus the continued dwindling of the air defenses will make the arrival of the F-16's real interesting later this summer. There is a major chance that we end up with a "split" in how the war is going where Ukraine is dominating the air in Crimea and using that to support a leapfrog advance in Crimea while seeing in effect a "wall" of air defense N/E of Melitopol.  At the same time you could see a concerted Russian push towards Slovainsk and continued pressure toward Kharkiv.  How both sides react to this will be very telling. The real thing people need to understand is that if the arrivals of the F-16s doesn't radically change the goings on in the overall theater, I am not sure we will see any form of resolution to this in the foreseeable future.

[PTINS 3416]

On 6/7/2024 at 3:43 PM, MillerEP said:

https://www.threads.net/@nickmelnick.osint/post/C764SSYIFtV/?xmt=AQGzjvO7mErRgw1iEimgXKVJIFqGG-0HIfQXoM4LTvJ1dQ

️Ukrainian FPV drones are attacking Russia's energy infrastructure in the Kursk region
 

"Going after transformers. Nice."

Transformers are to power generation/supply as process towers are to oil refining. These typically have the longest lead times to purchase/replace equipment.  

[Parliament 13991]

I hope the war evolves to where Ukraine is comfortable chasing Russian shitbox MIG’s back into Russian airspace and dogfighting with those fuckers.  Would rock.  The kickass American F16 was born to kill Russians.

Edited June 10 by Parliament

[atomheartbevo 88787]

1 hour ago, Laxtonto said:

The loss of the two A-50s plus the continued dwindling of the air defenses will make the arrival of the F-16's real interesting later this summer. There is a major chance that we end up with a "split" in how the war is going where Ukraine is dominating the air in Crimea and using that to support a leapfrog advance in Crimea while seeing in effect a "wall" of air defense N/E of Melitopol.  At the same time you could see a concerted Russian push towards Slovainsk and continued pressure toward Kharkiv.  How both sides react to this will be very telling. The real thing people need to understand is that if the arrivals of the F-16s doesn't radically change the goings on in the overall theater, I am not sure we will see any form of resolution to this in the foreseeable future.

What’s interesting to me is that the F-16s may come into the theater only having to worry about MANPADS, if most of the larger AD systems are pushed back into Russia to protect infrastructure. The F-16s can easily handle that threat with a lot of their munitions allowing them to stay out of range. They could also be supported by low-flying drones looking for MANPAD operators.

[Schulz2.0 28616]

 

[Schulz2.0 28616]

 

[AUS-97HORN 11548]

that patriot shootdown had to be at least 200km away.  

[Pescado_Rojo 19225]

4 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

that patriot shootdown had to be at least 200km away.  

Turkey right now...

[Laxtonto 11770]

5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

What’s interesting to me is that the F-16s may come into the theater only having to worry about MANPADS, if most of the larger AD systems are pushed back into Russia to protect infrastructure. The F-16s can easily handle that threat with a lot of their munitions allowing them to stay out of range. They could also be supported by low-flying drones looking for MANPAD operators.

 

Exactly. So now you have in essence a textbook situation for how US ground war doctrine should be implemented. Control the air, use the air to punish any large groups or well dug in positions and use speed to leapfrog and overrun the area. Now combine this with drone swarms and the occasional ATCAMS for positions that would be too hot for the F16s and you could see the Ukraine army advance into Crimea and get to the point that they need to change their thinking from destroying the Kerch bridge to taking it and forcing Russia to either blow it up or potentially having to redeploy their forces into a new bottleneck. 

The eventual move on Crimea will be the most interesting aspect of how effective the US systems are in comparison to their Russian counterparts. How will Russia respond to F16s launching from the flying with relative impunity over the Black Sea to hammer the bases on the coast of western Crimea (Sevastopol, Novofedorovka, ect.)? Did we (or someone else most likely Poland) send JASSM to Ukraine and how are they used? How effective is the Russian air defenses vs JASSMs? At the 200-400km launch range over the Black Sea the Kerch bridge would be toast if JASSMs are in play. What would this also mean to the Black Sea fleet, based out of Sevastopol?

Once sorties start with the f16's, then Russia will either have to commit their fighters out of Belbek/Sevastopol to attempt to control the Black Sea corridor heading south out of Odessa or see everything on the western coast of Crimea start to get hammered. The problem with that is to be able to engage the F16s they need to then leave the cover of even MANPADS and engage over the Black Sea.

With the loss of the two A-50s, their detection range will be limited and so we would either expect ship-based naval air radar to be in action (ie sitting ducks well outside of the normal coverage of the land based systems and aircraft and begging for a naval drone or air attack), a continued rotating Russian fighter screen over the Black Sea (which makes them predictable for the F16s to attempt to ambush and isolated), or find some more A50 MANSTAYS to patrol the Black Sea.

Regardless what happens, this makes Belbek/Sevastopol the lynchpinfor the region and due to geography very isolated from the west. The other half of this though is that if you try to approach Sevastopol from Odessa and avoid arcs around the Crimea coast due to potential anti air, you are looking to close to max range of the stock f16 engage near the southern Crimea. So now we need to have a discussion about the Ukrainian availability of air refueling assets, AWACS. etc to go along with the f16s. That entire network is a key component on why US airpower is so effective.

The issue is that once you get out of the Crimean peninsula and head east of Melitopol it gets much more difficult for Ukraine to control the air, with Russia having the cushion of placing air defenses in Russia proper while still being in effective range.  That will be an entirely different discussion for a different day.

[atomheartbevo 88787]

13 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

Exactly. So now you have in essence a textbook situation for how US ground war doctrine should be implemented. Control the air, use the air to punish any large groups or well dug in positions and use speed to leapfrog and overrun the area. Now combine this with drone swarms and the occasional ATCAMS for positions that would be too hot for the F16s and you could see the Ukraine army advance into Crimea and get to the point that they need to change their thinking from destroying the Kerch bridge to taking it and forcing Russia to either blow it up or potentially having to redeploy their forces into a new bottleneck. 

It’s funny - we are spending money on developing expensive autonomous drones to accompany F-22s and F-35s both in defensive and offensive roles (the drones that is) and Ukraine will be doing virtually the same thing with 45 year-old F-16s and $500 drones flown by 20-somethings.  And Ukraine’s way of doing things will work, given the degraded AD systems. When the US goes in, we try to take out AD in one fell swoop with shock-and-awe to pave the way for everything else, but while Ukraine is doing it piecemeal, the result is the same - Russia can’t replace most of those systems.

It also won’t take many Russian MANPAD operators getting blown up by drones before they really start keeping their heads down.  Those MANSPADs leave a trail pointing right at the operators for Ukrainian drone pilots to take out

If they keep up what they are doing, Crimea is absolutely in play, and it’s telling that ATACMS seems to be getting through easily.

Putin is going to have to go really hard on interfering with elections both here in the US and Europe.  Ukraine is doing an excellent job of using Western weapons/tactics to make up the manpower imbalance with Russia.

[bolverk 28912]

https://www.threads.net/@kyivindependent_official/post/C8C89Ihtpyd

 

Didn't we have a conversation recently about Russia deploying women? Although I never considered women prisoners.

https://www.threads.net/@nytimes/post/C8C9WajOsjX

[Macanudo 12665]

Ward Carroll over on YouTube has a good interview up with a British writer about Russian logistical replacement of arty and AD.  There is the thought that if the Ukrainians can make it through the summer that Russia's ability to keep up with the damaged and/or tubes will start to show.  

They also address the training in F-16s.  Russian/Soviet training and doctrine placed a lot of command and control in commanders on the ground and in command aircraft.  NATO methodology give the pilots much more autonomy.  They are having to break some bad habits by Ukrainian pilots.

[Chopper 16047]

This is definitely CSB worthy

 

[Chopper 16047]

Hope to see this in r/WhatCouldGoWrong very soon

 

[Chopper 16047]

ORCs seeking a safe space chose wrong.

 

Edited June 10 by Chopper

[LCHorn 2528]

7 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

A lot of Europe's illegal immigration has been driven by Russia (Syria, Africa).

Ukraine needs to add to their population, it seems there’s a grand compromise available here.

[Chopper 16047]

Reports now say two Su-57s were struck the other day, not one.

[JMFP 1109]

8 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

Ukraine needs to add to their population, it seems there’s a grand compromise available here.

Russian backed illegal immigration is what this whole mess is about. 

[Chopper 16047]

Amazing details about Wagner's Expendable Assault Force. https://kyivindependent.com/nearly-20-000-wagner-mercenaries-died-taking-bakhmut-media-investigation-confirms/
 

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Prigozhin's Wagner began to bring tens of thousands of convicts from Russia's prisons into its ranks, including those convicted of rape and murder, during the group's main recruitment drive in late 2022.

Used in combination with the more professional and experienced Wagner units, the prisoners proved to be highly effective as an expendable assault force.

Their main success was the capture of Bakhmut, a city in Donetsk Oblast now razed to the ground, in May 2023 after a months-long battle.

The report also found 17,000 of those killed were former prisoners, pardoned by Russian President Vladimir Putin in exchange for heading to the front.

Nearly 20,000 Russian mercenaries died fighting for Wagner Group during the Battle of Bakhmut, an investigation by BBC Russia and Mediazona published on June 10 has found.

The outlets obtained documents shortly after the death of the group's founder, Yevgeny Prigozhin in August 2023, detailing the posthumous payments to relatives of those killed fighting in Ukraine between January 2022 and August 2023.

"This document contains more than 20,000 names of those killed," Mediazona writes, adding: "Most of the Wagnerites died in the 'Bakhmut meat grinder' –  more than 19,500 people."

The numbers roughly confirm the number claimed by Prigozhin himself in May 2023 when he said he had lost more than 20,000 men in the fight for the town.

Using the identification numbers of those killed, journalists were also able to determine that at least 48,000 prisoners fought for Wagner during this time.

Prigozhin later that year launched a short-lived insurrection against the Kremlin in late June 2023, capturing the city of Rostov and marching toward Moscow.

However, less than 24 hours after starting the rebellion, it was declared over and he announced that he was turning his forces around and returning to base.

Following an undisclosed deal allegedly brokered by Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko, the warlord was allowed to walk free and then released a video claiming to be in Africa.

Two months later – on Aug. 23 – a private jet with Prigozhin onboard crashed not far from Moscow, killing him and everyone else onboard.

According to unnamed U.S. officials cited by the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) on Aug. 24, the likely cause was a bomb onboard or "some other form of sabotage."

A later WSJ piece put the finger of blame on Nikolai Patrushev, Putin's "right-hand man."

 

 

[Chopper 16047]

Here's the EU election take of the Kyiv Independent:

https://kyivindependent.com/european-parliament-elections-far-right-make-gains-center-holds-ukraine-skeptic-candidates-flounder/

[Brisketexan 103357]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

Although I never considered women prisoners.

You sound like someone who didn't have Cinemax in the 80s.

[AUS-97HORN 11548]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

You sound like someone who didn't have Cinemax in the 80s.

as long as you had cable you had Cinemax. 

 

 

 I mean it might not have come in super clear, but you saw it.... in my case from 12-14 we somehow got the sound as well......

 

[bolverk 28912]

Boris: What air defense doing?

Vlad: We take home.

Big, if true.

ETA full tweet text:

Partisan movement ATESH reports that Russian Armed Forces air defense servicemen in Crimea have been instructed to evacuate their families to military camps in the Southern Military District. This directive coincides with the relocation of air defense systems to the Bilhorod region, raising security concerns in occupied Crimea due to reduced coverage. 

Additionally, the Russian military is forming new mobile air defense teams using ZU-23-2s to counter UAVs, indicating a strategic shift towards this area, with a reduced focus on occupied Crimea.

Google translate:

 

 

The tweet was linked from https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1dcv0rg/russian_air_defense_systems_being_removed_from/

A few of the better comments:

 

Edited June 10 by bolverk

[Rimbo 25215]

[bolverk 28912]

I'm sure whatever the Fins have cooked up for kiling Russians has got to be pretty badass.

Finland handed over new classified weapons to Ukraine

Finland has transferred new classified developments of its defense industry to Ukraine.

Chief of Arms of the Finnish Defense Forces, Mikko Heiskanen, told STT in an interview that some of them were still under development.

He also said that the feedback on these weapons was positive.

“Feedback on the use of Finnish products has been positive,” said the Lieutenant General.

“The experience gained in Ukraine will be useful for the development of the latest Finnish equipment,” the Lieutenant General believes.

Finland has released relatively few details about the content of military assistance provided to Ukraine.

The country is one of the world’s largest donors of military aid to Ukraine, and its financial assistance has been growing steadily since the start of the full-scale war.

Last year, the total amount was estimated at €1.4 billion, which is twice as much as in 2022.

Finland notes that supporting Ukraine is fully in line with Finland’s own interests.

“In our opinion, it is very beneficial when Finnish weapons reduce Russia’s military potential in Ukraine. And we don’t need to do anything, Ukrainians will do it with their own blood,” said Mikko Heiskanen.

As previously reported, Nammo Lapua’s ammunition plant in Finland will increase its output fivefold this year due to the war in Ukraine.

Finland, together with its allies, plans to urgently build a TNT production plant. This is due to a critical shortage of explosives in Western countries amid the Russian-Ukrainian war.

[Brisketexan 103357]

1 minute ago, bolverk said:

I'm sure whatever the Fins have cooked up for kiling Russians has got to be pretty badass.

Finland handed over new classified weapons to Ukraine

Finland has transferred new classified developments of its defense industry to Ukraine.

Chief of Arms of the Finnish Defense Forces, Mikko Heiskanen, told STT in an interview that some of them were still under development.

He also said that the feedback on these weapons was positive.

“Feedback on the use of Finnish products has been positive,” said the Lieutenant General.

“The experience gained in Ukraine will be useful for the development of the latest Finnish equipment,” the Lieutenant General believes.

Finland has released relatively few details about the content of military assistance provided to Ukraine.

The country is one of the world’s largest donors of military aid to Ukraine, and its financial assistance has been growing steadily since the start of the full-scale war.

Last year, the total amount was estimated at €1.4 billion, which is twice as much as in 2022.

Finland notes that supporting Ukraine is fully in line with Finland’s own interests.

“In our opinion, it is very beneficial when Finnish weapons reduce Russia’s military potential in Ukraine. And we don’t need to do anything, Ukrainians will do it with their own blood,” said Mikko Heiskanen.

As previously reported, Nammo Lapua’s ammunition plant in Finland will increase its output fivefold this year due to the war in Ukraine.

Finland, together with its allies, plans to urgently build a TNT production plant. This is due to a critical shortage of explosives in Western countries amid the Russian-Ukrainian war.

I'm thinking that the deadliest Russian-killing weapon the Finns could give Ukraine is.....some Finns.

[atomheartbevo 88787]

37 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

as long as you had cable you had Cinemax. 

[Paper_jam 821]

Wouldn't mind seeing Russian air defenses degraded to the point where we could impose a NATO no-fly zone over strategic areas...

 

 

[Deej 76112]

4 hours ago, bolverk said:

Although I never considered women prisoners

Brittney Griner is lucky she got out when she did.

[InkaUtexas 24884]

3 minutes ago, Deej said:

Brittney Griner is lucky she got out when she did.

Would have been real easy for Ukraine to spot her.

Or she would need one hell of a deep trench.

Edited June 10 by InkaUtexas

[Deej 76112]

1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

she would need one hell of a deep trench

[Neonmoon 38126]

55 minutes ago, Paper_jam said:

Wouldn't mind seeing Russian air defenses degraded to the point where we could impose a NATO no-fly zone over strategic areas...

 

 

I wouldn’t mind seeing 1st Cav march into red square to take a giant shit on the Kremlin

[Braff Zacklin 13287]

11 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

[butthurt 1504]

 

 

[PTINS 3416]

On 6/7/2024 at 8:10 PM, Gatorubet said:

i’m betting 1963, plus or minus 2

These pics are from slides taken from the Clark AFB, Philippines, '59-60. Its hard to time stamp them, going off subject matter, and the relative sizes of the siblings. They all have greenery and a volcano, which means its not Holloman AFB in New Mexico, '61-62.

Most of the US planes at Clark had the Orange accents (or course). Maybe to prevent friendly fire? My sister in the foreground, same hair and dress as in OP. Notice the cowboy hat looking at the plane.

On 6/7/2024 at 8:14 PM, bolverk said:

My guess would be ~1959-60.

Thank you for your support!!!

TLDR.  I don't no where else to put this so ...More on growing as an Air force Brat ...

Spoiler

On 6/7/2024 at 8:29 PM, Gatorubet said:

One of the problems is not knowing exactly where the people are from.  when I moved from Florida to Kansas after fourth grade I noticed that everything in Wichita seem to be a year or two behind what was going on in Fort Lauderdale.   

Around 1962 or 63 I did have girls in my class who were wearing what she wore.  

Though we lived in the middle of nowhere, we had constant exposure to current events, news, movies, magazines, etc. Being remote, the AF made sure we had access to new things.

On 6/8/2024 at 10:07 AM, Armybrat said:

That beats the WW2 era anti-aircraft battery next to our Tianmu neighborhood outside Taipei in 1957. 
It wasn’t to protect our US military dependent housing, but it defended one of the air approaches to Grass Mountain to the east. 
That was where Chiang Kai Shek’s presidential house was.

I hear a year or two after we left it was replaced by a Nike missile installation.

At least you guys down there had some big post exchanges and Stateside level facilities. 
We just had a small compound with a commissary, OC, 4-lane bowling alley, and a snack bar.

On 6/8/2024 at 10:29 AM, InkaUtexas said:

Try being an embassy kid in a civil war. We did not get shit.

First house at Clark AFB in the Philippines. Looks like military tract housing. 

This was like our second house at Clark AFB. They were used as barracks, maybe during WWII or Korean War?  Base Housing given to a Tech Sergeant (E-6) w/ 5 dependents. It was across the street from the golf course. I could ride my bike in the hallway.

The Social Dynamics at Clark were unique. No place to go off base.   

Grillin' and chilin' w/ the guys. The NCO & Officer's Club was the place to be.

This was from the Filipino- American Day (~ Armed Forces Day?) The Thunderbirds, a shit load of planes, ladies in heels, at an air show.

Mom was a Diva. Wearing pearls, before Jackie, and a shoe collection that made Imelda Marcos blush.

We had "house girls" to help mom w/ the kids.

My favorite picture. F-100 Thunderbirds, and some of the locals.

Growing up as an Air Force Brat had a lot of positives, given that both parents grew up on the farm. One negative, living on a nuclear target. 

Pictures show a lifestyle considerably above the pay grade.

Holloman AFB in New Mexico didn't have too many redeeming features. No Base Housing, we lived in a trailer. Hot, cold, and dust storms. Still not sure what my dad did there (he was a jet engine mechanic). Saw a X-15 there. It was close to White Sands & Ruidoso. 

Eglin AFB, FL, '63-66.  Lived on Choctawhatchee Bay, 7 miles from Destin, could go from bed to the beach is less 2 minutes. Lots of airplanes. B-52's. Got to go see live fire tests and exercises, and displays not open to the public (Gatling mini-gun, touch-n-go's, napalm, etc.)

Bergstrom was the first place we lived that was close to a city, and we lived off base. Austin in '66 was cool as fuck. Being in my hometown, at age 10, for first time since I was 2.

Access to Austin. Shuttle Bus's to downtown, private park on Lake Travis. Aqua Festival Skipper Pins. I'm sure being military facilitated getting tickets to the Batman Premier in '66 and Led Zeppelin in '69.

Bergstrom had an air conditioned "Teen Club", pool tables, organized activities, bands on the weekends (Eric Johnson played at the old one). Moving every 2 years teaches you to make friends, quickly. Best time in the world to be a teenager.

First time I became aware of class distinction. NCO Club was near the Bowling Alley, Officer's Club was near the Golf Course. Officer's Pool had a high dive. 

 

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