So...about Charlie Strong at USF...

[gecko 1,104]

dcar, your story sounds eerily familiar. Aggie fans around me were generally good folks up to the point where they knew they had lost, then things went south. Only time I’ve ever hid my Longhorn gear headed to the car.

[perfectchaos007 6,551]

You look at USF over there, and it’s just all about the tradition of thinking you got a good bargain on a coach and then slowly realizing you played yourself.

[ABSR 5,281]

6 hours ago, Walden Ponderer said:

He'd be a good quality control coach, maybe a recruiting coordinator.

Red, is that you from beyond?

[Not a cat 5,601]

40 minutes ago, Thujone said:

Absolutely a great take. The guy had to clear out 4 years of abject Mack-rot, which he largely did. He also recruited way above his head. Guys who have been/will be drafted. He's also a good guy. I hope he has success in the future. 

I thought that too for his tenure here but a couple of things he did going out the door make me pause. 

First, the whole the cake is baked bullshit.  No, Charlie, the cake was a shit sandwich and any fool could see that.  He was just setting it up so if Tom won Charlie gets the credit but if he lost it was all Tom's fault.  It just came across as very petty on his part.  

Second, the whole structuring of the USF contract to take a below market rate while we subsidize it but that magically kicks up to market rate when our subsidy ends.  Yeah, yeah, we're the Joneses and all that crap but that doesn't mean we should just get fucked over because we can afford it .  And before, anyone points it out, yes it was perfectly legal, but certainly not within the spirit of his buyout (and we definitely need better lawyers next time we negotiate something like that if we're leaving loopholes like that in the contract).

 

[High Plains Drifter 10,961]

1 hour ago, tjhooker said:

I was an asshole running around on that field.  It was glorious.

fixy

[dcar00 13,968]

43 minutes ago, Thujone said:

Absolutely a great take. The guy had to clear out 4 years of abject Mack-rot, which he largely did. He also recruited way above his head. Guys who have been/will be drafted. He's also a good guy. I hope he has success in the future. 

he was horrible and it as painful as shit but I too hold no ill,will since we cut bait as soon as reasonably possible.  It's not Charlies fault we hired him.  He was a bad head coach because he could not hire the right people below him.  give Mack those same recruiting classes he probably wins 7 or 8 a year instead of 5 or 6 because he'd have adequate co-ordinators.  Mack needed to go for sleeping at the recruiting switch and the dumbass decision to basically give GG the QB job but change the offense.

I said it from the get go, Charlie never thought he'd get this type of job, and when he did, he wasn't prepared with a list of people he had to have, except for possibly Wickline.   As big a disaster as Watson was, Vance was arguably bigger.

I thought Herman may have made the same mistake but at least at this point Orlando is holding his own and Herman has better control of his side of the ball than Charlie ever had with his side.

[DaysOff 7,758]

It's pretty simple.

 

Also amazing that Dana Bible won two thirds of his games and he's 21st of 29.

[Not a cat 5,601]

Frank Crawford cranked out an undefeated perfect season and went out on top. He's like the bizarro Mack Brown.

[Stunns38 3,287]

I don’t remember anyone supporting him after the Kansas lost on the old site.

This thread has a lot of Makovician anger directed towards him. It was obvious that he was in over his head which was exacerbated by a shitty AD but he seemed like a decent guy. I guess I’m too much of a bleeding heart.

Everyone posted the reasons why he sucked so no need to rehash everything. He’s set in his ways and almost 60, rich with a hot wife so he should just retire. Wonder if he’d have a shot at a NFL DC though.

PS, Someone post pics of his daughters to lighten things up. Sorry DeShon.

[chase25 2,048]

4 minutes ago, Stunns38 said:

I don’t remember anyone supporting him after the Kansas lost on the old site.

This thread has a lot of Makovician anger directed towards him. It was obvious that he was in over his head which was exacerbated by a shitty AD but he seemed like a decent guy. I guess I’m too much of a bleeding heart.

Everyone posted the reasons why he sucked so no need to rehash everything. He’s set in his ways and almost 60, rich with a hot wife so he should just retire. Wonder if he’d have a shot at a NFL DC though.

PS, Someone post pics of his daughters to lighten things up. Sorry DeShon.

He said the cake was baked on his way out so when the next coach did something he couldn't with his (Charlie's) players, he could take some credit for it. Lost what little respect I had left for him after that.

When we win the Big 12 title Saturday, I would love to see Herman show up to the press conference with a cake in the biggest power play move of all time.

Edited November 27, 2018 by Texas25

[4th and 5 4,905]

Charlie’s deposition transcript was where I knew no matter where he went, he was the dumbest guy in the room

[John Coctostan 589]

He seems like such a good guy - it's hard to hate him.  But my God he was a terrible hire.  Second worst hire in this millennium at the 40.

steve patterson?

yup

I thought you were going to say Gail Goestenkors.

[Stunns38 3,287]

I thought you were going to say Gail Goestenkors.

After she took Duke to championships? Good hire until she conned the fuck out of us.

[huge 3,785]

The idea of Charlie >>> the actual Charlie

Also you can’t hire an OC that we repeatedly buttfucked at two other schools in our conference and expect us not to notice.

So I was hopeful but hardly optimistic. And then it was a 3 year shitshow with occasional moments of surprising fleeting success.

He needs to go back to coaching defense somewhere.

[dcar00 13,968]

1 hour ago, DaysOff said:

It's pretty simple.

 

Also amazing that Dana Bible won two thirds of his games and he's 21st of 29.

Frank Crawford with the all time mic drop.

[tbone_ 14,016]

So we’ve had 2 good coaches and 1 kinda good coach in 100 and whatever years of football.

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2 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

So we’ve had 2 good coaches and 1 kinda good coach in 100 and whatever years of football.

I think Dana X Bible deserves to be included in there somewhere.

And calling DKR "good" does him a huge disservice.

Edited November 27, 2018 by Machinator

[LonghornJudas 1,089]

10 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Frank Crawford with the all time mic drop.

That team never gave up a score that year either.

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9 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Frank Crawford with the all time mic drop.

 

And those were some pretty sizeable mics in 1895.

[texasstrong12 4,668]

DKR went 167-47-5 at Texas, 9 top 5 finishes, finished ranked in the top 20 in 14/20 years, won 11 SWC championships, and won 3 national titles. 

DKR wasn't just "good" he was one of the best college football coaches of all time. 

[ImissWallyPryor 9,044]

At least we won’t have to play a Charlie-coached USF team in 2020. It scares you to death just thinking about it. 

[Topper13 3,121]

13 minutes ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

At least we won’t have to play a Charlie-coached USF team in 2020. It scares you to death just thinking about it. 

It's possible that he'll know his zip code by then

[TornACL 7,662]

3 hours ago, gecko said:

dcar, your story sounds eerily familiar. Aggie fans around me were generally good folks up to the point where they knew they had lost, then things went south. Only time I’ve ever hid my Longhorn gear headed to the car.

Pussy. 

[Longboard Horn 39,979]

That's what Charlie gets for taking most of his staff with him to South Florida. Still hasn't learned anything. 

Note: Last year USF went 10-2 and won the Birmingham Bowl because the cake was baked. Taggert left Charlie with a very talented squad led by Quentin Flowers. This season looks like Charlie left the cake out in the rain or in the oven too long and it burned.  

[Tired Horn 733]

2 hours ago, DaysOff said:

It's pretty simple.

 

Also amazing that Dana Bible won two thirds of his games and he's 21st of 29.

So Jack Chevigny likes Charlie, right?

[Tired Horn 733]

I think Charlie is a good guy, but there's no question he just didn't get it done here. And the way it went down certainly justified his firing. When you have to dump your offensive coordinator early in one season and then dump your defensive coordinator early in the next, that's on you and you alone. Having to do that once is unfortunate. Having to do it twice is careless. Having to do it back-to-back is incompetent.

I wish Charlie the best at USF, but I'm glad he's gone. 

[Cairn Horn88 8,127]

29 minutes ago, Longboard Horn said:

That's what Charlie gets for taking most of his staff with him to South Florida. Still hasn't learned anything. 

Note: Last year USF went 10-2 and won the Birmingham Bowl because the cake was baked. Taggert left Charlie with a very talented squad led by Quentin Flowers. This season looks like Charlie left the cake out in the rain or in the oven too long and it burned.  

I bet he'll never have that recipe again!

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3 hours ago, Thujone said:

Absolutely a great take. The guy had to clear out 4 years of abject Mack-rot, which he largely did. He also recruited way above his head. Guys who have been/will be drafted. He's also a good guy. I hope he has success in the future. 

It's facile is what it is.

Charlie wasn't nice. Not any nicer than Mack or Tom or anyone else. He could be brusque, chippy, and unpleasant. And he apparently cheated with a married woman.

He was a guy that knew some things about football but wasn't up to running a program. 

He's sloppy and inattentive in general. He didn't know his players. He didn't know his team. He didn't know HS coaches and he never made an effort to improve. Christ he didn't even know what offense he was running.

[dcar00 13,968]

1 hour ago, LonghornJudas said:

That team never gave up a score that year either.

if we were aggy we'd have a t-shirt in the bookstore right now.

[perfectchaos007 6,551]

21 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

if we were aggy we'd have a t-shirt in the bookstore right now.

Yeah aggy gave themselves a couple retroactive championships from the early 20th century. We could do it too if we wanted but claiming century old championships is a good sign of a program that has no faith in winning future championships 

Edited November 27, 2018 by perfectchaos007

[ClubWhatever 12,079]

My career as a Charlie Strong statue salesman is over.  

[SwanderedTalent 5,761]

13 hours ago, Gut Wagon said:

But some part of me also wanted Charlie (and yes, Shaka) to succeed because having coaches of color might broaden the image of the university. What with all the "Klan" talk going on around that time, I guess I was hoping we could start two of our headline sports down the road toward a more socially acceptable future. Out with the old Mack and Rick, in with the new. Brighter days ahead and all that.

first, I must have missed "all the 'Klan' talk", or maybe my friends aren't as interesting as yours

second, this kind of thinking isn't the only way to get 21 painfully inept football losses in three seasons, but it's among the surest ones

[PencilPusher 454]

6 hours ago, Theshining said:

This is what did it for me. I blew up after that game and i was killed by a random stranger. 

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[Liquor and Poker 3,659]

What did it for me was the set of “core values:”  I knew it wasn’t a fit when I saw this:

[Machinator 32,097]

1 minute ago, Liquor and Poker said:

What did it for me was the set of “core values:”  I knew it wasn’t a fit when I saw this:

Huh?

 

[Liquor and Poker 3,659]

See, totally different.  Not singling out guns.  

Seriously, pretty much everyone has that same chart but Strong got a lot if shit for it when he was hired.  “not a fit,” etc.  

Joke clearly fell flat. 

Edited November 27, 2018 by Liquor and Poker

[SwanderedTalent 5,761]

2 minutes ago, Liquor and Poker said:

See, totally different.  

Charlie's ban was on guns. He didn't have a problem with knives, as evidenced by all the times he brought one to a gunfight and we lost by 40 points

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21 hours ago, dcar00 said:

let me explain. when you look over there at USF its all about how they can get out of this on the cheap.

Kent Hance could advise them on that.

[Bateshorn 9,853]

I like Charlie Strong personally as a human being, from what I know of him..  I'm glad he left Herman with some talent to work with, as opposed to FUPM.

He's a horrible head coach.  Just mind bottlingly bad.

[Slacks 6,773]

1 hour ago, SwanderedTalent said:

first, I must have missed "all the 'Klan' talk", or maybe my friends aren't as interesting as yours

second, this kind of thinking isn't the only way to get 21 painfully inept football losses in three seasons, but it's among the surest ones

You need more interesting friends... or don't be a klansmen pretending not to be a klansmen...

[Jack Wilson 313]

27 minutes ago, Snacks said:

You need more interesting friends... or don't be a klansmen pretending not to be a klansmen...

Here we go again . . .

[MrPhlegm 3,413]

The motherfucker never quick kicks so he is dead to me.

[Dennis Taylor 18,628]

12 hours ago, DaysOff said:

It's pretty simple.

 

Also amazing that Dana Bible won two thirds of his games and he's 21st of 29.

any of those guys 1-28 have a finger this freaking long? i didn't think so. 

 

 

[SwanderedTalent 5,761]

35 minutes ago, Snacks said:

You need more interesting friends... or don't be a klansmen pretending not to be a klansmen...

klansMAN

and I think of myself as more of a Kleagle anyway

[WBT 20,339]

So Herman is currently #24, right above Mackovic

[Stunns38 3,287]

As an alum and 50-year fan of Texas sports, I always want our coach to win. But some part of me also wanted Charlie (and yes, Shaka) to succeed because having coaches of color might broaden the image of the university. What with all the "Klan" talk going on around that time, I guess I was hoping we could start two of our headline sports down the road toward a more socially acceptable future. Out with the old Mack and Rick, in with the new. Brighter days ahead and all that.
But then, before my eyes, I quickly realized neither of the new guys could coach his way out of a wet paper sack. And so, I turned on them both. Diversity ended up not mattering nearly as much to me as competence did. Oh, well.

[Not a cat 5,601]

58 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

klansMAN

and I think of myself as more of a Kleagle anyway

In these politically correct times I believe Klansperson is the preferred nomenclature.

[Slacks 6,773]

1 hour ago, SwanderedTalent said:

klansMAN

and I think of myself as more of a Kleagle anyway

yeah... was multi-tasking... don't be two of them, either.

[Slacks 6,773]

1 hour ago, Jack Wilson said:

Here we go again . . .

Where we goin?

[SwanderedTalent 5,761]

44 minutes ago, Snacks said:

yeah... was multi-tasking... don't be two of them, either.

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