Media Bias Thread

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13585]

Okay. One down, one to go. Keep me updated on whether Aussie guy retracts his logical fallacy.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbcs-brian-williams-ny-times-editor-marvel-at-tweet-that-got-bloomberg-math-really-wrong

 

“Turns out Mara and I got the same grades at math. I’m speaking of the tweet we both misinterpreted. He could give each American $1. Again, I didn't have it in high school. I don't have it tonight. I stand corrected. Sorry about that. The tweet is wrong,” Williams told viewers later in the show. “Garbage in, garbage out.”

 

In fact, this sort of begs the question, was Aussie guy aware the point was retracted later in the show and just left that info out? 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand

[EMAWesome 101]

Meanwhile the same liberal freelance writer is doubling down on her assertion.

 

[Incredulity 11671]

Nevermind the fact that Net Worth doesn’t equal Cash on Hand.

Which is a great example of the biggest problem with a wealth tax and why it would completely fuck over medium size family businesses, quite specifically family farms.

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13585]

1 hour ago, EMAWesome said:

Meanwhile the same liberal freelance writer is doubling down on her assertion.

 

Your first image isn't showing up for me, but is it safe to assume that you believe this trumps the on-air acknowledgement by MSNBC of the faceplant that Aussie Guy failed to mention in making his ...*checks notes* ... "never trust journalists when it comes to maths and numbers and stuff" argument?

Edited March 6, 2020 by Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand

[Zavala 1384]

Racist twitter mob made the whole thing up, got the HAPA beanie kid all fired up

 

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https://www.cernovich.com/cnn-jake-tapper-trump-google-coronavirus/

“Google says it’s not publishing a national-scale coronavirus site,” is a headline Jake Tapper of CNN posted to his over 2.3 million Twitter followers. The headline was based on “a knowledgeable source.”

CNN had to completely change its headline to the exact opposite.

The headline now reads: “Google will partner with US government to develop a nationwide coronavirus website, company says.”

[Lurch 5930]

Troll.

[Thetexashammer 1062]

1 hour ago, Lurch said:

Troll.

Why? Seems topical.

[Lurch 5930]

Other troll.

[Thetexashammer 1062]

12 minutes ago, Lurch said:

Other troll.

Avatar checks out.

Edited March 15, 2020 by Thetexashammer

[EMAWesome 101]

Washington Post headline "President Trump We Aren't Politicizing the Coronavirus Crisis. You Are"

Also Washington Post headline  "Pelosi Should Politicize the Coronavirus Crisis."

 

 

 

Edited March 15, 2020 by EMAWesome

[Lurch 5930]

Trifecta.

[EMAWesome 101]

48 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Why? Seems topical.

Have you ever watched Bill Burr's bit about how women argue when they are wrong?  It is also how the left argues when they are wrong.  When all they have is calling you a troll you have won the argument.  Bob and slip all the stuff not related to the argument, like being called a troll or a racist, take a knee and run out the clock.  You have won the argument.  Just tell them we'll talk about this later after you have calmed down.

[achooloco 1072]

On 3/6/2020 at 8:56 AM, EMAWesome said:

Give them a break.  They are the party of science, not the party of math.

 

On 3/6/2020 at 9:22 AM, EMAWesome said:

As if you didn't already know this if you have watched any of them try to explain how they would pay for Medicare for all and free college for all.

This looks an awful lot like someone tried to reply to their original account with a sock but failed 

[TornACL 7698]

The Google website idea was probably tossed out in some planning meeting. "Hey, here's an idea..." 

Trump, because his infantile brain is incapable of listening to anything that doesn't include his name at least every five seconds, misunderstood. As he has so many other things. 

And in his instinctive need to always be overselling, he just went ahead and said it was not only being worked on, but almost finished! Today's the big day! 

But here's the thing, no matter what bag of shit we have in the White House, when the President says something is going to happen, people are going to start working on it. Immediately. Even if they were caught competely flat footed by what was, at best, a woefully inaccurate declaration. 

All this arguing about "the media lied!" is the sport of morons. Which means I am not surprised at all by the windbags trumpeting it. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

Many in the media are biased against trump but it’s usually them calling out trump for lying. And not just lying that a rally has more people than possible but rather his lies can and have gotten people killed.

[Tom 2959]

1 hour ago, EMAWesome said:

Have you ever watched Bill Burr's bit about how women argue when they are wrong?  It is also how the left argues when they are wrong.  When all they have is calling you a troll you have won the argument.  Bob and slip all the stuff not related to the argument, like being called a troll or a racist, take a knee and run out the clock.  You have won the argument.  Just tell them we'll talk about this later after you have calmed down.

 

This is the second time I've seen you reference Bill Burr in a few weeks.  You know he's a left wing liberal, right?  I know he's an admitted uninformed moron who spouts a lot of conspiracy bullshit so people like you are drawn to him, but at the end of the day, he voted for Bernie Sanders.  Hopefully he rubs off on you.

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11 hours ago, achooloco said:

 

This looks an awful lot like someone tried to reply to their original account with a sock but failed 

Actually it looks an awful lot like someone thought of something they would have liked to have added to their original post but thanks to this site's 1.27456 millisecond window to edit a post was unable to.

[EMAWesome 101]

9 hours ago, Tom said:

 

This is the second time I've seen you reference Bill Burr in a few weeks.  You know he's a left wing liberal, right?  I know he's an admitted uninformed moron who spouts a lot of conspiracy bullshit so people like you are drawn to him, but at the end of the day, he voted for Bernie Sanders.  Hopefully he rubs off on you.

I hope you are sitting down but good comedy is good comedy.  I don't give a shit who a comedian votes for.  I give a shit whether he is funny or not.  The only politics that would turn me off on a comedian would be if they are in favor of cancel culture and against the First Amendment. No comic with a brain in their heads should be, just as no musician, writer, filmmaker, journalist, artist or anyone else who makes their living expressing ideas, visions, or opinions should be.  I've never thought boy that comedian sure is funny but he needs to put in a 30 minute diatribe on the purity of the Second Amendment.  That would make his act so much better.  Just make me laugh I don't care how you do it.  Watching a comedian do a 45 minute long impersonation of a MSNBC analyst (listen up Stephen Colbert) isn't a turn off because it is an impersonation of a MSNBC analyst.  It is a turn off because MSNBC analysts aren't funny.

 

I've got a dozen Bruce Springsteen albums in my CD collection, I've got eight Neil Young albums, four Pearl Jam albums, at least ten Melloncamp albums, a Bob Marley boxed set, ten U2 albums,  just to name a few of the more prominent lefties of my generation.  Hell, I've got over 90 Grateful Dead live shows on CD.  I've never once walked up to the counter at a record store and asked the cashier if he has a list of how every act he has in his store's inventory has voted for the last 40 years because I need to know that information before I decide whether or not I'm going to buy their music.  Anyone that does this has their head so far up their own ass they won't be able to hear the music that is playing anyway.

 

[HRSchenker 2268]

Reporter claims that a WH official called COVID 19 the "kung flu" yet won't name the official when she asks Trump about it at today's press conference. Is it any wonder why people don't take the media seriously?

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[Thetexashammer 1062]

 

[EMAWesome 101]

So was it bats that were welding people inside their apartments and letting them starve to death?  Was it bats that were lying to the WHO about no evidence being discovered of human to human transmission of Covid 19?  Was it bats that silenced doctors in Wuhan who were trying to inform the world?

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13585]

10 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

 

Accuses MSM of mixing fact with opinion. Proceeds to mix fact with opinion and....

 

this is the important part

 

OUTRIGHT OBJECTIVE FALSEHOOD STARTING RIGHT WITH THE TITLE OF THE VIDEO. 

"No One" has a mathematical value assigned to it- zero. She's not in the ballpark, neighborhood, galaxy...

anywhere

when it comes self-evident, objective facts. Goddamn this fucking world is fucked.

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[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13585]

1 hour ago, EMAWesome said:

Thanks for pointing out the article that headline ends with "for now" was 4 weeks before Trump called the pandemic a "hoax" and 7 weeks before the second article.

It's like I have an intern.

[EMAWesome 101]

1 hour ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Thanks for pointing out the article that headline ends with "for now" was 4 weeks before Trump called the pandemic a "hoax" and 7 weeks before the second article.

It's like I have an intern.

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13585]

LOL.

It's funny how stupid you are. 

From posting videos of some Aussie guy omitting Brian Williams' on-air acknowledgement of his brain fart to screen caps illustrating almost the exact opposite of the point you're trying to make, your posting history is like a gif of Philip Seymour Hoffman going hard to the rim, completely unaware that all your misses count against you.

WHITE CHOCOLATE!!! *TOINK!*

 

[Biff Tannen 45685]

LET IT RAIN!

[EMAWesome 101]

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/489061-twitter-says-coronavirus-disinformation-spread-by-chinese-officials-does

Misinformation about the coronavirus spread by Chinese government officials does not violate Twitter's policies, a spokesperson for the company told The Hill Monday.

In particular, tweets from Lijian Zhao, an official spokesperson for the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, insinuating that the U.S. military may have spread the coronavirus to Wuhan, China, will remain up.

Twitter's spokesperson pointed to the company's position of giving public figures broad exemptions to many of its policies.

"Presently, direct interactions with fellow public figures, comments on political issues of the day, or foreign policy saber-rattling on economic or military issues are generally not in violation of the Twitter Rules," the site reads.

Twitter's decision not to take down the tweets implying that the disease, which originated in Wuhan, was brought by the U.S. has already drawn criticism.

"When Twitter goes so full Chinese propaganda that they’ve even lost The Daily Beast…" Donald Trump Jr., the president's son, wrote, quote-tweeting the outlet that first reported on the exemptions.

Twitter earlier this month expanded its rules around coronavirus misinformation to include a wider variety of content that could put people at risk of transmitting or contracting the disease.

The social media giant said it would require users to take down posts that deny expert recommendations, promote fake treatments and prevention techniques, or misleadingly claim to be from authorities. It also said it would take action against posts alleging that any particular group or nationality is more or less susceptible to coronavirus. 

The new policy has had mixed results so far.

In addition to the Chinese officials, public figures in the U.S. have also been allowed to get away with posting misinformation.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk tweeted that "kids are essentially immune" to the disease. While evidence suggests that children are at a reduced risk, thousands of them have still been infected. A 14-year-old in China has died from the disease, according to a study by Pediatrics.

Twitter chose not to remove the post, telling The Hill, "it doesn't violate our rules at this time."

[Thetexashammer 1062]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/twitter-says-beijings-coronavirus-lies-are-just-fine

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Coronavirus disinformation spread by senior Chinese government officials does not violate Twitter’s terms of service, a spokesperson for the company told The Daily Beast on Monday. 

The spokesperson pointed to language on its website that gives wide latitude to statements from government officials. “Presently,” the company says, “direct interactions with fellow public figures, comments on political issues of the day, or foreign policy saber-rattling on economic or military issues are generally not in violation of the Twitter Rules.” 

According to Twitter, that language applies to recent falsehoods related to the novel coronavirus shared widely by senior Chinese officials, including the top spokesman for the country’s ministry of foreign affairs and a number of Beijing’s ambassadors around the world. 

Edited March 23, 2020 by Thetexashammer

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[Biff Tannen 45685]

I love this thread.  

[elfenix 34240]

4 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I love this thread.  

 

i wonder how many views emaw, ert, tim, gets from spamming his videos here

[henrygandorf 29191]

i watched that video three times and i'm still not convinced.

[Biff Tannen 45685]

1 hour ago, elfenix said:

 

i wonder how many views emaw, ert, tim, gets from spamming his videos here

None from me.  I just like seeing them post their far right youtube jerk off videos and thinking that we watch them.

[Lurch 5930]

I enjoy knowing they’re Qtards but are embarrassed to admit it. They think Tim Pool is going to be the subtle gateway to opening our minds to pedophile pizza tossers.

[Tom 2959]

Has Tim found his mommy/GF yet?  I know he was struggling.  I'm praying for him.

[EMAWesome 101]

Wasn't it just a couple of months ago the media was fully convinced Trump wished to become a dictator and was outraged about it?  Now they want him to act more like China's government.

https://twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/1244608510073147392?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1244608510073147392&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailywire.com%2Fnews%2Fnyt-writer-americans-should-stop-blaming-communist-chinese-government-learn-from-them-instead

New York Times reporter Max Fisher on Twitter

 

US outbreaks may be too far along for the South Korea model to work. The only thing left is the China model. It’s the only known success at subduing a full-blown epidemic. Instead of working with Beijing on finding lessons, the US is scapegoating China to deflect political blame.

 

 

 

 

 

It's so successful every funeral home in Wuhan is receiving between 2,500 and 3,500 urns per day now.

 

I get why no one wants to hold up the China model as laudable, given Beijing's failures, propaganda, and authoritarian methods. But none of those are necessarily needed to reproducing China’s real successes, which could at least potentially save hundreds of thousands of lives.

So today I learned that welding people's doors shut while they are inside their apartments is not an authoritarian method.

 

If your well-grounded concern is that official Chinese data can never be trusted, it’s worth considering that the WHO is vouching firsthand for the country having achieved a major turnaround. Is it worth even looking for lessons?

 

 

Inside China’s All-Out War on the Coronavirus

Dr. Bruce Aylward, of the W.H.O., got a rare glimpse into Beijing’s campaign to stop the epidemic. Here’s what he saw.

nytimes.com

This is the same guy who refused to answer a question from a reporter about whether the WHO would allow Taiwan to become a member.  The WHO is the same organization who ignored Taiwan when Taiwanese officials were trying to warn them of this virus.  This is also the same organization who took China at its word when they declared they had found no evidence of human to human transmission of this virus.  To sum up this is an organization who has been sucking China's dick while all of this took place.  Sure let's trust them and their weaselly  spokespeople.

 

So this guy wants the U.S. to follow China's coronavirus policies.  If that is the case then he should have no problem with Trump kicking all the New York Times reporters out of the country because that is exactly what China's government did last week.

 

The New York Times would be doing this country a better service if they were manufacturing toilet paper instead of newspapers.  Come to think of it, actually they are.

 

 

Edited March 30, 2020 by EMAWesome

[Biff Tannen 45685]

[TwiceHorn 31471]

35 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

Wasn't it just a couple of months ago the media was fully convinced Trump wished to become a dictator and was outraged about it?  Now they want him to act more like China's government.

https://twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/1244608510073147392?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1244608510073147392&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailywire.com%2Fnews%2Fnyt-writer-americans-should-stop-blaming-communist-chinese-government-learn-from-them-instead

New York Times reporter Max Fisher on Twitter

 

US outbreaks may be too far along for the South Korea model to work. The only thing left is the China model. It’s the only known success at subduing a full-blown epidemic. Instead of working with Beijing on finding lessons, the US is scapegoating China to deflect political blame.

 

 

 

 

 

It's so successful every funeral home in Wuhan is receiving between 2,500 and 3,500 urns per day now.

 

I get why no one wants to hold up the China model as laudable, given Beijing's failures, propaganda, and authoritarian methods. But none of those are necessarily needed to reproducing China’s real successes, which could at least potentially save hundreds of thousands of lives.

So today I learned that welding people's doors shut while they are inside their apartments is not an authoritarian method.

 

If your well-grounded concern is that official Chinese data can never be trusted, it’s worth considering that the WHO is vouching firsthand for the country having achieved a major turnaround. Is it worth even looking for lessons?

 

 

Inside China’s All-Out War on the Coronavirus

Dr. Bruce Aylward, of the W.H.O., got a rare glimpse into Beijing’s campaign to stop the epidemic. Here’s what he saw.

nytimes.com

This is the same guy who refused to answer a question from a reporter about whether the WHO would allow Taiwan to become a member.  The WHO is the same organization who ignored Taiwan when Taiwanese officials were trying to warn them of this virus.  This is also the same organization who took China at its word when they declared they had found no evidence of human to human transmission of this virus.  To sum up this is an organization who has been sucking China's dick while all of this took place.  Sure let's trust them and their weaselly  spokespeople.

 

So this guy wants the U.S. to follow China's coronavirus policies.  If that is the case then he should have no problem with Trump kicking all the New York Times reporters out of the country because that is exactly what China's government did last week.

 

The New York Times would be doing this country a better service if they were manufacturing toilet paper instead of newspapers.  Come to think of it, actually they are.

 

 

 

That is one of the most amazing strings of logical fallacies and non-sequiturs I have ever seen.

And in this era, where Trumpkins in particular thrive on such things, that is saying something.

Edited March 30, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[JFKFC 4879]

1 hour ago, EMAWesome said:

Wasn't it just a couple of months ago the media was fully convinced Trump wished to become a dictator and was outraged about it?  Now they want him to act more like China's government.

You are drowning in an ocean of intellectual dishonesty. 

[zork 629]

4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

 

That is one of the most amazing strings of logical fallacies and non-sequiturs I have ever seen.

And in this era, where Trumpkins in particular thrive on such things, that is saying something.

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Some point in late 2019: The coronavirus jumps from some animal species to a human being. The best guess at this point is that it happened at a Chinese “wet market.”

December 6: According to a study in The Lancet, the symptom onset date of the first patient identified was “Dec 1, 2019 . . . 5 days after illness onset, his wife, a 53-year-old woman who had no known history of exposure to the market, also presented with pneumonia and was hospitalized in the isolation ward.” In other words, as early as the second week of December, Wuhan doctors were finding cases that indicated the virus was spreading from one human to another.

December 21: Wuhan doctors begin to notice a “cluster of pneumonia cases with an unknown cause.”

December 25: Chinese medical staff in two hospitals in Wuhan are suspected of contracting viral pneumonia and are quarantined. This is additional strong evidence of human-to-human transmission.

Sometime in “Late December”: Wuhan hospitals notice “an exponential increase” in the number of cases that cannot be linked back to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, according to the New England Journal of Medicine.

December 30: Dr. Li Wenliang sent a message to a group of other doctors warning them about a possible outbreak of an illness that resembled severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), urging them to take protective measures against infection.

December 31: The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission declares, “The investigation so far has not found any obvious human-to-human transmission and no medical staff infection.” This is the opposite of the belief of the doctors working on patients in Wuhan, and two doctors were already suspected of contracting the virus.

Three weeks after doctors first started noticing the cases, China contacts the World Health Organization.

Tao Lina, a public-health expert and former official with Shanghai’s center for disease control and prevention, tells the South China Morning Post, “I think we are [now] quite capable of killing it in the beginning phase, given China’s disease control system, emergency handling capacity and clinical medicine support.”

January 1: The Wuhan Public Security Bureau issued summons to Dr. Li Wenliang, accusing him of “spreading rumors.” Two days later, at a police station, Dr. Li signed a statement acknowledging his “misdemeanor” and promising not to commit further “unlawful acts.” Seven other people are arrested on similar charges and their fate is unknown.

Also that day, “after several batches of genome sequence results had been returned to hospitals and submitted to health authorities, an employee of one genomics company received a phone call from an official at the Hubei Provincial Health Commission, ordering the company to stop testing samples from Wuhan related to the new disease and destroy all existing samples.”

According to a New York Times study of cellphone data from China, 175,000 people leave Wuhan that day. According to global travel data research firm OAG, 21 countries have direct flights to Wuhan. In the first quarter of 2019 for comparison, 13,267 air passengers traveled from Wuhan, China, to destinations in the United States, or about 4,422 per month. The U.S. government would not bar foreign nationals who had traveled to China from entering the country for another month.

January 2: One study of patients in Wuhan can only connect 27 of 41 infected patients to exposure to the Huanan seafood market — indicating human-to-human transmission away from the market. A report written later that month concludes, “evidence so far indicates human transmission for 2019-nCoV. We are concerned that 2019-nCoV could have acquired the ability for efficient human transmission.”

Also on this day, the Wuhan Institute of Virology completed mapped the genome of the virus. The Chinese government would not announce that breakthrough for another week.

January 3: The Chinese government continued efforts to suppress all information about the virus: “China’s National Health Commission, the nation’s top health authority, ordered institutions not to publish any information related to the unknown disease, and ordered labs to transfer any samples they had to designated testing institutions, or to destroy them.”

Roughly one month after the first cases in Wuhan, the United States government is notified. Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, gets initial reports about a new coronavirus from Chinese colleagues, according to Health and Human Services secretary Alex Azar. Azar, who helped manage the response at HHS to earlier SARS and anthrax outbreaks, told his chief of staff to make sure the National Security Council was informed.

Also on this day, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission released another statement, repeating, “As of now, preliminary investigations have shown no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission and no medical staff infections.”

January 4: While Chinese authorities continued to insist that the virus could not spread from one person to another, doctors outside that country weren’t so convinced. The head of the University of Hong Kong’s Centre for Infection, Ho Pak-leung, warned that “the city should implement the strictest possible monitoring system for a mystery new viral pneumonia that has infected dozens of people on the mainland, as it is highly possible that the illness is spreading from human to human.”

January 5: The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission put out a statement with updated numbers of cases but repeated, “preliminary investigations have shown no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission and no medical staff infections.”

January 6: The New York Times publishes its first report about the virus, declaring that “59 people in the central city of Wuhan have been sickened by a pneumonia-like illness.” That first report included these comments:

Wang Linfa, an expert on emerging infectious diseases at the Duke-NUS Medical School in Singapore, said he was frustrated that scientists in China were not allowed to speak to him about the outbreak. Dr. Wang said, however, that he thought the virus was likely not spreading from humans to humans because health workers had not contracted the disease. “We should not go into panic mode,” he said.

Don’t get too mad at Wang Linfa; he was making that assessment based upon the inaccurate information Chinese government was telling the world.

Also that day, the CDC  “issued a level 1 travel watch — the lowest of its three levels — for China’s outbreak. It said the cause and the transmission mode aren’t yet known, and it advised travelers to Wuhan to avoid living or dead animals, animal markets, and contact with sick people.”

Also that day, the CDC offered to send a team to China to assist with the investigation. The Chinese government declined, but a WHO team that included two Americans would visit February 16.

January 8: Chinese medical authorities claim to have identified the virus. Those authorities claim and Western media continue to repeat, “there is no evidence that the new virus is readily spread by humans, which would make it particularly dangerous, and it has not been tied to any deaths.”

The official statement from the World Health Organization declares, “Preliminary identification of a novel virus in a short period of time is a notable achievement and demonstrates China’s increased capacity to manage new outbreaks . . . WHO does not recommend any specific measures for travelers. WHO advises against the application of any travel or trade restrictions on China based on the information currently available.”

January 10: After unknowingly treating a patient with the Wuhan coronavirus, Dr. Li Wenliang started coughing and developed a fever. He was hospitalized on January 12. In the following days, Li’s condition deteriorated so badly that he was admitted to the intensive care unit and given oxygen support.

The New York Times quotes the Wuhan City Health Commission’s declaration that “there is no evidence the virus can spread among humans.” Chinese doctors continued to find transmission among family members, contradicting the official statements from the city health commission.

January 11: The Wuhan City Health Commission issues an update declaring, “All 739 close contacts, including 419 medical staff, have undergone medical observation and no related cases have been found . . . No new cases have been detected since January 3, 2020. At present, no medical staff infections have been found, and no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission has been found.” They issue a Q&A sheet later that day reemphasizing that “most of the unexplained viral pneumonia cases in Wuhan this time have a history of exposure to the South China seafood market. No clear evidence of human-to-human transmission has been found.”

Also on this day, political leaders in Hubei province, which includes Wuhan, began their regional meeting. The coronavirus was not mentioned over four days of meetings.

January 13: Authorities in Thailand detected the virus in a 61-year-old Chinese woman who was visiting from Wuhan, the first case outside of China. “Thailand’s Ministry of Public Health, said the woman had not visited the Wuhan seafood market, and had come down with a fever on Jan. 5. However, the doctor said, the woman had visited a different, smaller market in Wuhan, in which live and freshly slaughtered animals were also sold.”

January 14: Wuhan city health authorities release another statement declaring, “Among the close contacts, no related cases were found.” Wuhan doctors have known this was false since early December, from the first victim and his wife, who did not visit the market.

The World Health Organization echoes China’s assessment: “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in Wuhan, China.”

This is five or six weeks after the first evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan.

January 15: Japan reported its first case of coronavirus. Japan’s Health Ministry said the patient had not visited any seafood markets in China, adding that “it is possible that the patient had close contact with an unknown patient with lung inflammation while in China.”

The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission begins to change its statements, now declaring, “Existing survey results show that clear human-to-human evidence has not been found, and the possibility of limited human-to-human transmission cannot be ruled out, but the risk of continued human-to-human transmission is low.” Recall Wuhan hospitals concluded human-to-human transmission was occurring three weeks earlier. A statement the next day backtracks on the possibility of human transmission, saying only, “Among the close contacts, no related cases were found.”

January 17: The CDC and the Department of Homeland Security’s Customs and Border Protection announce that travelers from Wuhan to the United States will undergo entry screening for symptoms associated with 2019-nCoV at three U.S. airports that receive most of the travelers from Wuhan, China: San Francisco, New York (JFK), and Los Angeles airports.

The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission’s daily update declares, “A total of 763 close contacts have been tracked, 665 medical observations have been lifted, and 98 people are still receiving medical observations. Among the close contacts, no related cases were found.”

January 18: HHS Secretary Azar has his first discussion about the virus with President Trump. Unnamed “senior administration officials” told the Washington Post that “the president interjected to ask about vaping and when flavored vaping products would be back on the market.”

Despite the fact that Wuhan doctors know the virus is contagious, city authorities allow 40,000 families to gather and share home-cooked food in a Lunar New Year banquet.

January 19: The Chinese National Health Commission declares the virus “still preventable and controllable.” The World Health Organization updates its statement, declaring, “Not enough is known to draw definitive conclusions about how it is transmitted, the clinical features of the disease, the extent to which it has spread, or its source, which remains unknown.”

January 20: The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission declares for the last time in its daily bulletin, “no related cases were found among the close contacts.”

That day, the head of China’s national health commission team investigating the outbreak, confirmed that two cases of infection in China’s Guangdong province had been caused by human-to-human transmission and medical staff had been infected.

Also on this date, the Wuhan Evening News newspaper, the largest newspaper in the city, mentions the virus on the front page for the first time since January 5.

January 21: The CDC announced the first U.S. case of a the coronavirus in a Snohomish County, Wash., resident who returning from China six days earlier.

By this point, millions of people have left Wuhan, carrying the virus all around China and into other countries.

January 22: WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus continued to praise China’s handling of the outbreak. “I was very impressed by the detail and depth of China’s presentation. I also appreciate the cooperation of China’s Minister of Health, who I have spoken with directly during the last few days and weeks. His leadership and the intervention of President Xi and Premier Li have been invaluable, and all the measures they have taken to respond to the outbreak.”

In the preceding days, a WHO delegation conducted a field visit to Wuhan. They concluded, “deployment of the new test kit nationally suggests that human-to-human transmission is taking place in Wuhan.” The delegation reports, “their counterparts agreed close attention should be paid to hand and respiratory hygiene, food safety and avoiding mass gatherings where possible.”

At a meeting of the WHO Emergency Committee, panel members express “divergent views on whether this event constitutes a “Public Health Emergency of International Concern’ or not. At that time, the advice was that the event did not constitute a PHEIC.”

President Trump, in an interview with CNBC at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, declared, “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”

January 23: Chinese authorities announce their first steps for a quarantine of Wuhan. By this point, millions have already visited the city and left it during the Lunar New Year celebrations. Singapore and Vietnam report their first cases, and by now an unknown but significant number of Chinese citizens have traveled abroad as asymptomatic, oblivious carriers.

January 24: Vietnam reports person-to-person transmission, and Japan, South Korea, and the U.S report their second cases. The second case is in Chicago. Within two days, new cases are reported in Los Angeles, Orange County, and Arizona. The virus is in now in several locations in the United States, and the odds of preventing an outbreak are dwindling to zero.

On February 1, Dr. Li Wenliang tested positive for coronavirus. He died from it six days later.

One final note: On February 4, Mayor of Florence Dario Nardella urged residents to hug Chinese people to encourage them in the fight against the novel coronavirus. Meanwhile, a member of Associazione Unione Giovani Italo Cinesi, a Chinese society in Italy aimed at promoting friendship between people in the two countries, called for respect for novel coronavirus patients during a street demonstration. “I’m not a virus. I’m a human. Eradicate the prejudice.”

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https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/

 

[TwiceHorn 31471]

15 minutes ago, zork said:

 

That is more coherent.

It has almost nothing to do with EMAWs post, which was some blather about dictators.

If the point is that China has apparently lied their collective ass off about everything and continues to do so, which appears to be true, then that is a different matter.

Although the National Review has a clear bias, as a general rule it puts out more coherent pieces than say, Fox or OAN.

[henrygandorf 29191]

5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That is more coherent.

It has almost nothing to do with EMAWs post, which was some blather about dictators.

If the point is that China has apparently lied their collective ass off about everything and continues to do so, which appears to be true, then that is a different matter.

Although the National Review has a clear bias, as a general rule it puts out more coherent pieces than say, Fox or OAN.

china's government lies their ass off!

we need our government to be more like china!

was that the joke?  because i get it now.

[TwiceHorn 31471]

Best I can figure, NYT reporter tweets (correctly) that we are too late to follow the RoK model, so we must follow the Chinese model. Presumably of massive lockdowns.  This notion is about two weeks out of date, as far as I can tell.

And the China model was implemented, late, by Italy and some other countries, so it is empirically borne out.  But China, because all of its data is suspect, is, in itself, a bad example.

EMAW extrapolated that somehow to adopting a dictatorship.  While it is true that these lockdown and shelter in place orders temporarily infringe personal liberty, only feebs and fundys equate it with a dictatorship. It is also, strictly speaking "SOCIALISM!!!" because it subordinates personal freedom to the collective good.

Also, just because I enjoy saying it and it's true.  China is assho-ole.

Edited March 31, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[F250 28775]

God damn, this thread is insane. EMAW, what the fuck rolls through your head that you feel the need to show your ass on a regular basis?

I'll give you some advice I give my children, spend more time trying to determine if you are wrong than trying to prove others wrong and you will be less likely to appear foolish.

Edited March 31, 2020 by F250