Media Bias Thread

[bernorange 8348]

The New York Times has a reputation for leaning left.  So much so that it seems a bit jarring when they make an editorial decision that contravenes that team ethos.  The NYT published a story on Beto on Monday about his rich real estate father in law and such:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/29/us/politics/beto-orourke-el-paso-texas-senate.html

Why would they publish it days before the election? 

[Longhornfan1024 1707]

On 10/27/2018 at 8:02 PM, EMAWesome said:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/37637/nbc-sat-information-undermined-brett-kavanaugh-ashe-schow

 

 

Yes, that is a biased article by dailywire.  Thanks for alerting us.

[EMAWesome 101]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/10/31/data_show_trump_is_right_about_mail_bomber_coverage__138510.html

President Trump argued Monday night that media coverage of mail bomber Cesar Sayoc was biased when compared with how news outlets treated James T. Hodgkinson’s shooting of Republicans practicing for the Congressional Baseball Game last year. According to the president, Sayoc’s admiration of Trump was heavily emphasized, whereas the coverage of Hodgkinson barely focused on his loyalty to Bernie Sanders. Some media outlets were quick to dismissTrump’s assertion, but he raises an interesting question: Do the data show any validity to the president’s concerns?

On June 14, 2017 Hodgkinson opened fire on a GOP baseball practice, wounding several people, including House Majority Whip Steve Scalise. The identity of the shooter and the fact that he volunteered for Sanders’ presidential campaign was known within hours. Early headlines, including at CNN, clearly pointed out the connection.

However, coverage quickly dropped the association with Sanders, with a Politico article three weeks later referring to the shooter merely as “James Hodgkinson of Illinois.”

In contrast, one of the most striking elements of coverage of last week’s mail bombing campaign was how blame was almost immediately assigned to Trump. Long before even the most basic information was known about the suspect, media personalities and their guests had largely pinned responsibility on the president. As Philippe Reines later put it on MSNBC, “We didn’t know the name of the bomber but we know who to blame.”

The timeline below overlays coverage of the first nine days of coverage after both events, showing the percentage of daily English language online news coverage of the event that mentioned Sanders or Trump, as monitored by the GDELT Project. 

 

In blue is the 2017 shooting. Day 0 represents the date it took place, June 14. The shooter’s affiliation with Sen. Sanders reached a peak of 31 percent of coverage the following day, then rapidly dissipated as the media largely dropped mentions of Hodgkinson’s political affiliation. 

In contrast, in orange is last week’s mail bombing campaign, with Day 0 being Oct. 22, when the first bomb (sent to George Soros) was discovered. By Oct. 25, the day before any information was known about the bomber’s identity, nearly 70 percent of coverage of the bombs mentioned Trump. By Sunday, nearly 80 percent of coverage associated the bomber with Trump.

In the end, while the president wasn’t entirely correct in claiming that the media didn’t associate the 2017 shooting with Sanders, his concerns about a media double standard are borne out. When a Sanders supporter and campaign volunteer opened fire on GOP members, the media quickly stopped mentioning the connection. Yet days before anything was known about last week’s bomber, the media had settled on Trump as the cause. Instead of reflexively dismissing any questions about bias, a bit of self-reflection on how the media covers the presidency in our increasingly divided world might be more productive.

[Longhornfan1024 1707]

Kansassucks is great at posting biased articles from fringe right wing websites.  

[Biff Tannen 45500]

2 hours ago, Longhornfan1024 said:

Kansassucks is great at posting biased articles from fringe right wing websites.  

Seriously.  Does he think anyone reads them?

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13551]

Maybe it was covered differently because Donald Trump is the only major modern political candidate, of any party, to explicitly exhort his supporters to physically attack political opponents. Only political candidate that I know who had a campaign advisor (who is an elected state representative) advocating execution of political opponents, who double-downed on it. I started a thread about it on Shag and it nose-dived. Oh well, seems the right has stirred itself to be interested in the subject, if only how it's covered. 

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/clinton-baldasaro/496199/

[Thetexashammer 1062]

Greatest political banning EVAR!!!!!! Link should start at 9:32.

 

Edited November 10, 2018 by Thetexashammer

[Thetexashammer 1062]

Kurtz was discussing Acosta and got around to talking about the "doctored" video.

This is a red pill moment, from my perspective. Even Kurtz says "is was misleading". It wasn't doctored and it wasn't misleading. Both Fox and the Dem representative, along with the NYT, WaPo, CNN, Esquire, and dozens of other outlets literally published headlines discussing "doctored" video, which was in no way doctored.  "Zooming in" is not doctoring anything. PJW discusses it here.

Tarlov then disparages Infowars as having been kicked off various platforms. And yet the truth is, Infowars is telling the truth, which is a standard that CNN et al simply cannot be held to. The people who have been unpersoned are the ones telling the truth here. It is example eleventy billion why you have to have outlets like Infowars, because corporate media is entirely corrupt and 100% committed to the lie.

The worthless, arrogant pricks at CNN are now preparing to sue Trump over the Acosta thing. They're losers. They're all losers and liars. They care nothing for truth, they only care about themselves and they'll lie, cheat, and steal to protect their interest. 

Edited November 12, 2018 by Thetexashammer

[CowboyFred 1151]

Y’all hear something?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23362]

 

[Thetexashammer 1062]

The war on jokes continues. "Even grief is better with butter."

https://apnews.com/5ba3b94c975a4ba1a5861c4d50730cdc

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NEW YORK (AP) — NPR’s “Fresh Air” has parted ways with contributor David Edelstein after the film critic made a joke about the rape scene in “Last Tango in Paris” on his Facebook page following Monday’s death of director Bernardo Bertolucci.

In a statement Tuesday, “Fresh Air” said the post was “offensive and unacceptable” because of what actress Maria Schneider experienced filming the scene. Schneider said in a 2007 interview that the simulated sex scene was unscripted and that she felt bullied by Bertolucci and unsupported by her co-star Marlon Brando. “I was crying real tears,” said Schneider, who died in 2011.

Edelstein had captioned a photo of the scene with the line: “Even grief is better with butter.” After a backlash, which included actress Martha Plimpton calling for Edelstein’s firing, Edelstein said he was unaware of Schneider’s comments and apologized.

 

[EMAWesome 101]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/19/top-der-spiegel-journalist-resigns-over-fake-interviews

 

The German news magazine Der Spiegel has been plunged into chaos after revealing that one of its top reporters had falsified stories over several years.

The media world was stunned by the revelations that the award-winning journalist Claas Relotius had, according to the weekly, “made up stories and invented protagonists” in at least 14 out of 60 articles that appeared in its print and online editions, warning that other outlets could also be affected.

Relotius, 33, resigned after admitting to the scam. He had written for the magazine for seven years and won numerous awards for his investigative journalism, including CNN Journalist of the Year in 2014.

Earlier this month, he won Germany’s Reporterpreis (Reporter of the Year) for his story about a young Syrian boy, which the jurors praised for its “lightness, poetry and relevance”. It has since emerged that all the sources for his reportage were at best hazy, and much of what he wrote was made up.

The falsification came to light after a colleague who worked with him on a story along the US-Mexican border raised suspicions about some of the details in Relotius’s reporting, having harboured doubts about him for some time.

The colleague, Juan Moreno, eventually tracked down two alleged sources quoted extensively by Relotius in the article, which was published in November. Both said they had never met Relotius. Relotius had also lied about seeing a hand-painted sign that read “Mexicans keep out”, a subsequent investigation found.

Other fraudulent stories included one about a Yemeni prisoner in Guantanamo Bay, and one about the American football star Colin Kaepernick.

In a lengthy article, Spiegel, which sells about 725,000 print copies a month and has an online readership of more than 6.5 million, said it was “shocked” by the discovery and apologised to its readers and to anyone who may have been the subject of “fraudulent quotes, made-up personal details or invented scenes at fictitious places”.

The Hamburg-based magazine, which was founded in 1947 and is renowned for its in-depth investigative pieces, said Relotius had committed journalistic fraud “on a grand scale”. It described the episode as “a low point in Spiegel’s 70-year history”. An in-house commission has been set up to examine all of Relotius’ work for the weekly.

The reporter also wrote for a string of other well-known outlets, including the German newspapers taz, Welt and the Frankfurter Allgemeine’s Sunday edition. Die Welt tweeted on Wednesday: “He abused his talent”.

Relotius told Spiegel he regretted his actions and was deeply ashamed, the magazine said. “I am sick and I need to get help,” he was quoted as saying.

Moreno, who has worked for the magazine since 2007, risked his own job when he confronted other colleagues with his suspicions, many of whom did not want to believe him. “For three to four weeks Moreno went through hell because colleagues and those senior to him did not want to believe his accusations at first,” Der Spiegel wrote in an apology to its readers. For several weeks, the magazine said, Relotius was even considered to be the victim of a cunning plot by Moreno.

“Relotius cleverly rebuffed all the attacks, all of Moreno’s well-researched pieces of evidence … until there came a point when that didn’t work any more, until he finally couldn’t sleep any more, hunted by the fear of being discovered,” the magazine wrote.

Relotius, it added, finally gave himself up last week after being confronted by a senior editor.

In his confession to his employer, he said: “It wasn’t because of the next big thing. It was fear of failing. My pressure to not be able to fail got ever bigger the more successful I became.”

The magazine, which is one of Germany’s most prominent news organisations, is now trying to rescue its reputation amid fears a magazine already challenged by the problems in the German newspaper industry will struggle to recover.

“All [his] colleagues are deeply shattered,” the magazine wrote. In particular, it said, in the Society department, where he worked, “[his] colleagues are astounded and sad … the affair feels like a death in the family.”

[Kyle 207]

I am sure that happens more often than anyone realizes. Maybe not grand fraud but fictional quotation here or there. I love a certain reporter for Texas Monthly, but over the years some of his big stories have unnamed sources that provide critical information that no one else ever seemed to replicate.

[Lurch 5921]

My understanding is that the big orgs all require internal validation that the source exists and the quote is accurate.

There will be fraud, but it’s asinine to reject the credibility of media because of these stories. It’s a convenient way to dismiss the reality slapping you in the face daily that you voted for a fucking moron.

[Lurch 5921]

His lies were laughably bad, btw

https://medium.com/@micheleanderson/der-spiegel-journalist-messed-with-the-wrong-small-town-d92f3e0e01a7

[Zavala 1384]

16 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/19/top-der-spiegel-journalist-resigns-over-fake-interviews

 

Classic, CNN Journalist of the year should've gave it away. Came to propaganda thread to post this, but I guess it should belong here. That thread is just Hugo's twitter feed bookmarks.

[EMAWesome 101]

On 12/19/2018 at 10:21 PM, Lurch said:

His lies were laughably bad, btw

https://medium.com/@micheleanderson/der-spiegel-journalist-messed-with-the-wrong-small-town-d92f3e0e01a7

Just in case clicking on the link is too demanding for some here. I'll just quote the list of, shall we say inaccuracies and leave the rest of the piece to avoid a slew of tl/drs.

 

1. The Sleeping Dragon
“After three and a half hours, the bus bends from the highway to a narrow, sloping street, rolling towards a dark forest that looks like dragons live in it. At the entrance, just before the station, there is a sign with the American stars and stripes banner, which reads: “Welcome to Fergus Falls, home of damn good folks.”

Fergus Falls is located on the prairie — which means our landscape mostly consists of tall grass and lakes. While we have trees, we do not have any distinct forests in our city limits, and definitely not in the route that the bus Relotius would have taken from the Twin Cities. And sadly, our welcome sign is quite mundane in its greeting.

2. The gun-toting, virgin City Administrator

“Andrew Bremseth would like to marry soon, he says, but he was never together with a woman. He has also never seen the ocean.”

Relotius chose to put the spotlight on Fergus Falls city administrator, Andrew Bremseth, as the main character in his article. We have spoken to Bremseth at length regarding the parts of the story that feature him, and Relotius got three facts right:

Bremseth’s age (27)

That he grew up in Fergus Falls

That he went to university in South Dakota

Everything else, from the claim that Bremseth carries a Beretta 9mm on his person while at work (“I would never ever wear a gun to work, and I don’t even own a Beretta.”), his disdain for a potential female president, his comment that Trump would “kick ass” (“Never said that”), and even his college-era preference for 18th century French philosophers (“Never read them”) and the New England Patriots (“I’m not a fan of them at all”), is complete fiction. Says Bremseth, “Anyone who knows anything about me, this [portrayal] is the furthest from what I stand for.”

Perhaps the oddest fiction in a list of many is Relotius’ depiction of Bremseth as someone who “would like to marry soon…but he has not yet been in a serious relationship with a woman. He has also never been to the ocean.”

We can attest that Bremseth has indeed been to the ocean, by his account, “many times” and is currently happily involved in a multi-year, cohabitational relationship with a woman named Amber. In fact, here’s a picture of the two of them in front of, all things, an ocean.

Relotius also decided he could get away with telling his readers that Bremseth is the only Fergus Falls resident that subscribes to national publications, painting the community as the perfect villain around which to frame the rest of his horror story about rural America.

3. The town obsessed with American Sniper
“There is also a cinema outside of town, where fast food stores are lit up. In this cinema, a flat, rectangular building, there are two films on a Friday evening. The one, “La La Land”, running in empty rows, is a musical, a romance about artists in Los Angeles. The other, “American Sniper”, a war film by Clint Eastwood, is sold out. The film is actually already two years old, almost 40 million Americans have seen it, but it still runs in Fergus Falls.”

This anecdote that supported Relotius’ exaggerated story of an immigrant-fearing, gun obsessed small town one was the easiest to fact check and yet the strangest, most random lie for him to craft. American Sniper definitely has not played in Fergus Falls since its first and only run in 2015. To be sure, we even reached out to Isaac Wunderlich, the manager of Westridge Theatre.

 

Actually I'm going to have to split this up to avoid the tl/drs.

[EMAWesome 101]

4. Neil, the coal plant employee that doesn’t exist

“There is nothing on the cap of Neil Becker. Becker, a man with strong shoulders, blond hair and big, clear eyes, asks, “Have you lost your mind?” Neil Becker is 57 years old, married, a man with a deep voice and a face in which seldom find any questions. He is not a farmer, he works next door in the coal-fired power plant, his hands are always black.”

The man Relotius describes has an accompanying photo in the Der Spiegel article, and we all know that guy. It’s the one and only Doug Becker, who works for UPS and ran the Fergus Falls Fitness Center for years, which is possibly the only place in Minnesota where you could listen to a vintage record collection while lifting weights. While we have not yet been able to sit down with Doug to discuss his conversations with Relotius, we know enough about him (it’s a small town after all) to make his depiction seem very suspect.

5. The mixed-up case of Israel and Maria

“Maria Rodriguez, a mother and local restaurant owner from Mexico, who came to the USA years ago, also saw Trump as a savior.”

One of the most exploitative aspects of Relotius’ story was his depiction of the employees at Don Pablo’s, a much-beloved Mexican restaurant in the heart of downtown. Relotius weaves together the story of Maria, restaurateur turned Trump supporter whose treatment for kidney disease becomes increasingly expensive under Obamacare, and that of her 15-year old son Israel, who faces prejudice at the hands of his Fergus Falls classmates. It’s riveting stuff, but, as is par for the course, an utter lie.

This was confirmed through a lengthy conversation we had with Maria’s son, Pablo Rodriguez, dubbed Israel, in Relotius’ story. “None of that story is true,” said Rodriguez. In fact, he had never talked to Relotius at all. His only interaction with the journalist was when he was stopped and asked to pose for a picture outside of the restaurant, which later appeared in the article.

In Relotius’ telling, “Israel” was a 15-year-old high school student, when in reality Pablo was in his second year of college. There is an Israel in the Don Pablo’s universe, a waiter in his late 20’s, who likely served Relotius a meal and lended his name to this fictional character, but little else.

Maria Rodriguez, as pictured in the story, is indeed Maria Rodriguez in real life, but that is where the truth ends. She does not own the restaurant (she is a waitress there; her sister-in-law Teresa is the owner), has never suffered from kidney disease, and, most tellingly, never even sat for an interview with Relotius. Says Rodriguez, “He just wanted to take a picture of me. He never talked to me about anything.”

6. The view from the Viking Cafe
“You can see the power plant where he works when you look out the window of the Diner, six tall, gray towers, from which rise white steam clouds.”

The Viking Cafe is Fergus Falls’ most treasured downtown establishment — over 60 years old. One of the reasons we Minnesotans all like it so much is that it has a cozy, underground feeling. Why? Because there are literally NO WINDOWS in the interior of this restaurant. Sure, you can see a little bit out the small front windows, but nothing beyond the shops across the street. The power plant Relotius refers to is almost 2 miles away on the northeast edge of town, blocked from view by a neighborhood on a large hill, and sports a single smokestack. Relotius’ imaginings are dramatic for the movie version of Trump’s America someday, but is it accurate and true? Not in the least.

7. Library lies
“In the library, which used to be a kindergarten, pensioners meet for knitting. A couple of buildings away, in the town hall, City Administrator Andrew Bremseth, who believes in breaking away, is leading a seminar called ‘iPad for Beginners,’ four locals are participating. He also organizes a TV series quiz night once a month, his favorite series is called ‘Game of Thrones.’

One of our writers, Jake, is married to the Fergus Falls Public Library’s youth librarian, so we feel this is a great place to quote him. “No,” he says, “the building was built in 1986 and has only functioned as a library.”

There has never been an iPad for Beginners class at City Hall. Classes like that are the library’s domain and taught by one of the librarians there. And as to Bremseth’s “Game of Thrones” quiz night? As with everything else related to our city administrator, a complete lie. Says a laughing Bremseth, “I don’t have cable, I’ve never seen Game of Thrones, and I don’t even know what it’s about.” Never seen Game of Thrones? In this case, truth is (just about) stranger than fiction.

8. High School security
“Anyone who enters it must pass through a security line, through three armored glass doors, and a weapon scanner.”

Although we haven’t tested the strength of the doors fronting our high school, we are quite sure that “armored” is an exaggeration, and there are two, not three, sets of doors; their real purpose is to keep the cold January air out of the school more than automatic weapons. That is not to say our grounds are not secure — all doors are locked during the school day and visitors must pass through the school office to receive a visitor’s pass before entering. While this picture of a hardened school is undoubtedly true elsewhere in the U.S., it’s simply not the case in Fergus Falls.

9. Secret Super Bowl viewing at the Brewery?
“The pub around him is crowded with men, hanging from the ceiling garlands, the Super Bowl is on TV, and Andrew Bremseth is sitting on a stool, in front of him is a dark beer, he likes it warm in the winter.”

The Super Bowl was on Sunday, February 5th. Union Pizza wasn’t open on Sundays at that time. Therefore, Bremseth and Relotius definitely couldn’t have watched the Super Bowl there and talked politics. To confirm this, we talked briefly to our Mayor, the owner of Union Pizza, just to make sure he didn’t have some kind of private Super Bowl party. “Was the restaurant open for the Super Bowl? Did you have it open just for friends and family?” His response to both queries: “No…?”

Bremseth confirmed this, saying, “I didn’t watch the Super Bowl at Union Pizza and I certainly wouldn’t have watched it with this guy. And I like my beer light and cold.”

10. The awesome “Western Evening”… that no one was invited to.
“That evening, Bremseth says the people of Fergus Falls love are big, extravagant festivals. It was last summer, he says, they were celebrating a Western evening here in this bar. They poured sand and straw on the porch, grilled marinated beef halves, and played a country band. All women, including Maria Rodriguez, danced in old-fashioned clothes, all the men, among them Neil Becker and his regular friends, wore hats or cowboy boots.”

We find this hilarious, if not a little inspiring for a future event idea, especially since all of the characters Relotius portrayed in this article just happened to show up at this “Western evening” in Fergus Falls. The nice thing about a small town is that none of us would have missed this, especially if our city administrator, the non-owner of our Mexican restaurant, and our non-existent power plant worker Neil knew about it and attended. Again, we confirmed with Mayor Schierer, just in case we were somehow too busy to miss this, or just not invited. “No western-themed parties here,” he said.

11. The High School New York Trip
“The bus reaches New York at midnight, the towers of Manhattan light up. The students move into a hostel on the outskirts of the city, only the next morning take the subway to Times Square. None of them ever went underground, and their parents have never been to New York. On their first day, they head through the streets, head hanging back to their necks. They spit from the Rockefeller Center and ride a boat across the Hudson River. They do not go to Liberty Island, the Statue of Liberty, but they visit the Trump Tower.”

We reached out to several sources on this one, and no one recalls a busload of high school students traveling to New York. We asked two high school students, an assistant principal, and a teacher who is tuned in to all the happenings at the school, and all cited an every-other-year band trip that goes to New York, but 2017 was an off year. We searched our local newspaper archives for mention of a trip by any of our 29 churches or a service clubs but came up short. We couldn’t find our fictional friend “Israel,” who went on the trip and we even reached out to our network of Facebook contacts to see if anyone recalled such a trip happening, but no one had. As with many other vignettes painted by Relotius, this one, too, appears to be complete fiction.

[GRHorn 105]

I had an eye opening realization watching 60 minutes a few weeks ago. They had a segment on the extreme costs for different forms of naloxone, the drug used to reverse opioid overdose.

To illustrate the severity of the epidemic they had Lesley Stahl follow a paramedic team out on calls to show them using naloxone and how quick it worked etc.

At one point they were in the field showing an active code situation, doing chest compressions and you overheard one of the participants say, “The patient is in asystole”.

It’s pronounced a-sis-toll-ee.  They said A-sis-toll. 

My wife and I are both in health care and immediately our jaws dropped. NO ONE who works in medical field would ever mispronounce that. Ever. They made up the whole damn segment. Looking back there were other signs. Nobody stops and codes in the street. They do it on the go etc. 

It was shocking my that such a highly produced segment would be faked. I definitely look at basically any news segment skeptically now. It was weird. 

[ADHD 28]

What?

[Bozo_Casanova 26296]

Wow. 

So here's the segment:

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/naloxone-opioid-overdose-antidote-60-minutes/

Nobody ever said "the patient is in asystole". He says, with regard to the patient:

"Still pulseless."

"Still asystole."

In this context, asystole is used as an adjective, not a noun, and that pronunciation would make sense. 

But even if it didn't, these are your choices when viewing that segment:

1) A fireman/emt mispronounced a medical term.

or

2) 60 minutes faked a the easily verifiable event of a person dying in the street with the cooperation of a public agency in a major city. 

You've clearly chosen to apply Slocum's razor to this question. 

Edited December 22, 2018 by Bozo_Casanova

[GRHorn 105]

27 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Wow. 

So here's the segment:

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/naloxone-opioid-overdose-antidote-60-minutes/

Nobody ever said "the patient is in asystole". He says, with regard to the patient:

"Still pulseless."

"Still asystole."

In this context, asystole is used as an adjective, not a noun, and that pronunciation would make sense. 

But even if it didn't, these are your choices when viewing that segment:

1) A fireman/emt mispronounced a medical term.

or

2) 60 minutes faked a the easily verifiable event of a person dying in the street with the cooperation of a public agency in a major city. 

You've clearly chosen to apply Slocum's razor to this question. 

Sorry I got the exact quote wrong.  It’s been a few weeks since I saw it, but I’ve worked in medical field and emergency situations for many years. I have NEVER heard that pronunciation outside of maybe someone trying to say that word for the first time.  They’d be quickly corrected.  Not in real time situations, not in certification courses, never. They certainly wouldn’t be on the team that 60 minutes is following in the field. 

I have no idea what the angle was, or if they were just trying to make it better tv, but I guess that is how the sausage is made. 

Edited December 22, 2018 by GRHorn

[Anastasis 23397]

42 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

In this context, asystole is used as an adjective, not a noun, and that pronunciation would make sense. 

 

 

/Not weighing in on the fake news angle.

 

I think that adjective form would be asystolic. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26296]

Can we agree that a -possible- mispronunciation or some vernacular pronunciation or usage seems like an absurdly thin basis for thinking a death on the street was faked by 60 minutes?

I'm aware that the adjective form of the word is asystolic, and yet:

Here is "asystole" used as an adjective to describe condition

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The patient is asystole when hooked up to the crash cart monitor

EMTs on reddit talking about condition

 

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Once the medics got there and did a 3 lead, we found that he was asystole. I'm aware that we can't shock if there's no rhythm to work with, so my question is this: if the patient is asystole, is there any point to continuing CPR? Can a shockable rhythm ever reappear?

tl;dr - will CPR make any difference in the outcome once the pt is asystole?

And here are some google results for "patient is asystole"

Temporary Cardiac Pacing

 

https://www.ottawaheart.ca/sites/default/files/.../pacing-presentation-notes.pdf

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patient is asystole !!! • Call for help … if you have no cardiac output someone will need to start CPR. • Call for a new cable and box and try changing them out.

 

[PDF]

Philosophy of Five.Paramedic 1.10.10. pptm

 

www.atcemsinside.org/.../FIELD_CAPTAIN_Philosophy_of_Five_Paramedic_1-10-1...

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Jan 10, 2010 - If patient is Asystole/PEA may place airway. ▫ Recheck tube with each patient movement. OOHCA What matters! ▫ Continue resuscitation.

[PDF]

sim man scenarios - SHU Blogs

 

https://blogs.shu.ac.uk/healthtechnicalteam/.../SIM-MAN-SCENARIOS-catalogue.pdf

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If DEATH button is clicked, SimMan deteriorates over 3 minutes. Vocal sounds stop as HR falls to 0, SpO2 falls to 0 and patient is asystole. Death occurs.

[PPT]

cardiac rhythms and interventions - Study at MD Anderson

 

https://study.mdanderson.org/courses/1016/files/109220/download?verifier...1

1.  

Check your patient and check the patient's EKG leads. Assure that the patient is asystole, check the patient's pulse and check the rhythm in an alternate lead.

Edited December 22, 2018 by Bozo_Casanova

[Anastasis 23397]

I highly doubt that the 60 minutes piece was faked, but am curious how an adjective usage vs the noun usage somehow impacts the pronunciation. Seems to be an odd angle to take on this one.  The most likely scenario is it was just a mispronunciation.  

 

Adjective use at the end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec-fINk5hMA

 

[Incredulity 11561]

People should be skeptical of media reporting.  Nearly every event/issue/controversy that got significant media reports that I have had first person experience/knowledge about was filled with errors.

Now wether that is due to bias or malice is certainly a valid question.

 

[ADHD 28]

This is true. Pretty much all news is hearsay, followed by exaggeration and overreaction, and then the story vanishes as an entirely new story erupts leaving things undone and reputations damaged. 

Not unlike every thread on this board.

 

[GRHorn 105]

Those are all great links Bozo thanks. I’m not even talking about the phrasing. I’m talking about the pronunciation. 

Let me elaborate further.  To be certified to get a job as Paramedic or physician or nurse you have to get certified in ACLS or Advanced Cardiac Life Support.  This is a course where you learn the algorithms for how to identify and treat the various types of cardiac arrest.  This requires several hours of in person and video instruction.  Each step of the way this word is pronounced a certain way.  This isn’t a vernacular thing. It’s always said that way by anyone in medicine.  To make it through those levels of instruction still pronouncing it wrong would be extremely unusual.  To then mispronounce it in the field and not be corrected would be even more unusual.

These leads me to believe that the person mispronouncing the word is one of two people  

1) A student who has received no training and never been corrected.  (Who would never be speaking and “running” a code in any situation, much less with 60 minutes present.

2) Someone who thinks it’s pronounced how it’s spelled, likely not in the medical community.  

I realize it sounds crazy. I’d probably think the same too if I didn’t know better, but I’d conservatively put the chances of it being simple mispronunciation at 5% or less.  

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26296]

I appreciate that- I’m NOT in the medical field and defer to you and Anastasis.

 

So I realize this is a huge detour in the thread, but this is a fascinating topic to me-

What I meant about the adjective making sense was imprecisely stated- what I’m saying is that people, in speech, including experts, have all kinds of quirky pronunciations, short forms and portmanteaus that are unique to industries, regions, companies, teams and even themselves.

 

From the outside looking in, he’s already using what appears to be a somewhat common nonstandard adjective form of a noun. That in speech someone would would drop the last syllable and stress the first syllable (the privative a) makes sense to me from a linguistic perspective, because it emphasizes the meaning- the lack.

 

You said your jaw dropped, and that’s a common reaction of experts to unfamiliar usage of a commonplace technical term. But nobody hearing it on the video registers any reaction at all, so it’s clearly not offensive to their ears. Which means, at the very least, that either they have all heard somebody (even that guy) say that word that way before, or, nobody in the scene has ever heard the word pronounced correctly before, which seems far less likely to me.

 

[Celery Man 20886]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

You've clearly chosen to apply Slocum's razor to this question. 

The explanation that creates the least amount of cognitive dissonance is likeliest to be true.

[Anastasis 23397]

43 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I appreciate that- I’m NOT in the medical field and defer to you and Anastasis.

 

FTR, I don't think that I've ever uttered the word "asystole" in a sentence in my life. 

[EMAWesome 101]

[Cajun 11675]

Lulz...

 

[DDD Dad 14258]

56 minutes ago, Cajun said:

Lulz...
 

Haha KUSI?!?

McKinnon makes Sinclair Media look moderate.

Edited January 11, 2019 by DDD Dad

[Cajun 11675]

Oh, I'm aware.  I guess you think I'm a fan of McKinnon or any other media that takes the opposite position.

Little minds would think that.  The kind of little mind that sprints immediately to name calling when butthurt over an imagined slight.

Thanks for extending the lulz.

 

[DDD Dad 14258]

5 minutes ago, Cajun said:

Oh, I'm aware.  I guess you think I'm a fan of McKinnon or any other media that takes the opposite position.

Little minds would think that.  The kind of little mind that sprints immediately to name calling when butthurt over an imagined slight.

Thanks for extending the lulz.

 

Sorry, I mistook you for emawesome.  You'll note I edited my post accordingly.  And I agree that clip was humorous.  

Edited January 11, 2019 by DDD Dad

[Cajun 11675]

It's all good DDD.

It's just the hilarity of the whole thing.  

Media mental midget wresting, as it were.

[Cajun 11675]

Just so we're all clear - Death To Hannity!

And no, not in this way...

Beat some of you to it.

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

 

[Hank Kingsley 20716]

 

[Hank Kingsley 20716]

Just burn it all down. 

 

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

Yeah, fuck NBC

BUt mUh LiBrUl MediAAAAAAA

[Thetexashammer 1062]

CNN analyst slams commentator for "white privilege". David Webb had a fairly persuasive response to said accusation.

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"Areva, I hate to break it to you, but you should have been better prepped. I’m black … See, you went to white privilege. This is the falsehood in this. You went immediately with an assumption … You’re talking to a black man who started out in rock radio in Boston, who crossed the paths into hip-hop, rebuilding one of the greatest black stations in America, and went on to work for Fox News, where I’m told apparently blacks aren’t supposed to work, but yet you come with this assumption and you go to white privilege. That’s actually insulting!"

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I will never understand how the merit of an argument is influenced by the presence of absence of melanin of the purveyor of said argument. It seems to me that MLK Jr. explicitly fought for the color blind society, and of course these progressive sharia supporters insist that we value pigment, and other arbitrary characteristics, above all other. 

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-15/race-baiting-cnn-legal-analyst-slams-siriusxm-host-white-privelege-then-gets-told

Edited January 16, 2019 by Thetexashammer

[Thetexashammer 1062]

https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/18/cnn-msnbc-impeach-trump-buzzfeed-mueller/

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CNN and MSNBC collectively used the word “impeach” nearly 200 times on Friday before the Special Counsel’s office disputed a bombshell report by BuzzFeed News.

According to a Daily Caller review of TV clipping service Grabien, personalities on CNN and MSNBC used the words “Impeach,” “Impeachment,” or “Impeachable,” 179 times.

The review included only original Friday programming and ran up until each network learned that BuzzFeed’s report was in dispute — shortly before 8 pm.

CNN mentioned impeachment 82 times while MSNBC mentioned it a whopping 97 times.

The only thing that was anonymously reported was that a convicted perjurer was saying that Trump told him to lie to Congress. There is no evidentiary standard  that would give significant weight to this fact. In the best case, it means virtually nothing. 

For perspective, after Holder sold guns to Mexico, and then they repeatedly lied to Congress.  https://sharylattkisson.com/2016/04/14/new-fast-furious-documents-show-obama-administration-efforts-to-mislead-congress/

Even if it were true, which it still could be, it's still "ordinary course of business" in Washington. This shit has been going on for centuries. They're politicians. They lie. This is breaking news? This is impeachable?  

 

 

[David Dennison 18661]

NM

Edited January 19, 2019 by David Dennison

[NowThis 931]

On 1/11/2019 at 10:14 AM, Cajun said:

Oh, I'm aware.  I guess you think I'm a fan of McKinnon or any other media that takes the opposite position.

Little minds would think that.  The kind of little mind that sprints immediately to name calling when butthurt over an imagined slight.

Thanks for extending the lulz.

 

who/what is McKinnon and what was wrong with the San Diego news clip?

[Cajun 11675]

I think you need to ask DDD.  I assume they do the bidding of the right wing and/or Trump nutjobs. 

There are so few, if any, without an agenda these days irrespective of which agenda that is.

[Thetexashammer 1062]

So the Buzzfeed thing was a riot.

https://jonathanturley.org/2019/01/21/suborn-or-sub-par-the-buzzfeed-story-follows-a-pattern-of-boom-and-bust-stories/

The whole "Manafort gave polling data to a Russian spy" thing is false and has been retracted by the NY Times. I mean, never mind it was pulicly available data to start with.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/new-york-times-corrects-report-on-which-oligarchs-paul-manafort-wanted-to-give-polling-data

The Catholic students wearing MAGA hats was yet another total fraud.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-students-full-video-shows-viral-protest-new-light/2635085002/

 

Damn, even after everything Facebook, Twitter, and Google has done, the Fake News train is rolling hard and fast, demolishing truth by the truckload. I wonder how these incredibly honest, powerful, and unbiased companies could have failed to stop it. It's almost as if Fake News has a monopoly and doesn't care about truth.

Edited January 21, 2019 by Thetexashammer

[GRHorn 105]

This is for you, Hugo

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-worst-most-embarrassing-u-s-media-failures-on-the-trumprussia-story/

 

[David Dennison 18661]

Just now, GRHorn said:

This is for you, Hugo

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-worst-most-embarrassing-u-s-media-failures-on-the-trumprussia-story/

 

The Intercept should publish The Intercept's ten most embarrassing stories.