Kansas State hires North Dakota State's Chris Klieman as head coach

[Machinator 32103]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25503179/kansas-state-hires-north-dakota-state-chris-klieman-head-coach

[Steel Shank 9553]

What the....!

[GhostOfTomJoad 9508]

Purple Wizard 2.0.

[Al_4_ISU 12623]

He's well positioned to continue the trend of fundamentally sound teams anchored by Midwest farm kids that are better than they should be.  He's also ex Northern Iowa so he'll bring it for Farmageddon.

The question is whether he'll be able to get competent skill position players.  I think Campbell can recruit circles around him.

[TreatyOak 17371]

[Steel Shank 9553]

This shit is intense!!

[GreenspointTexas 9969]

Solid hire after they whiffed on Seth and co

[bolverk 30323]

1 hour ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

Purple Wizard 2.0.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8983]

He's well positioned to continue the trend of fundamentally sound teams anchored by Midwest farm kids that are better than they should be.  He's also ex Northern Iowa so he'll bring it for Farmageddon.
The question is whether he'll be able to get competent skill position players.  I think Campbell can recruit circles around him.

He knows florida. Cali and texas will come.

[Machinator 32103]

 

[ClubWhatever 12304]

The big question here is whether it’s pronounced Kleeman or Klyman.  

[gmr548 16698]

Good hire.

[Rusty Shackelford 414]

Craig Bohl 2.0

[Royalfan5 2384]

I’ll just note he has lost less games overall at the FCS level than Bo Pelini lost at the FCS level this year.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10803]

Damn good hire. Wondering if/when he would move on.  Kansas teams at least have some coaches worth watching next year

[Born Burnt 6274]

[Treefidy 1507]

1 hour ago, Al_4_ISU said:

He's well positioned to continue the trend of fundamentally sound teams anchored by Midwest farm kids that are better than they should be.  He's also ex Northern Iowa so he'll bring it for Farmageddon.

The question is whether he'll be able to get competent skill position players.  I think Campbell can recruit circles around him.

NDSU has knocked of ISU, Iowa and Minn over the past 7 years, not sure how a tier 2 powerhouse was built up in the tundra.  Good hunting, ok fishing, you can shoot the biggest cannon you have in any direction and not worry about collateral damage...  but somehow they have a football power at that level and CK has been a part of that for several years. 

Seems like a great choice for KSU, I get why you don't like him, or them, but this conference is dying a slow death and this seems like a good addition.  

[Beau Vine 55864]

42 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

I’ll just note he has lost less games overall at the FCS level than Bo Pelini lost at the FCS level this year.

Also has never pissed his pants on the field during a game.

[SnowAggy 154]

54 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

The big question here is whether it’s pronounced Kleeman or Klyman.  

I think in the old country it'd be Kleeman...but Kleeman would be pronounced Klayman...

[Al_4_ISU 12623]

5 minutes ago, Treefidy said:NDSU has knocked of ISU, Iowa and Minn over the past 7 years, not sure how a tier 2 powerhouse was built up in the tundra.  Good hunting, ok fishing, you can shoot the biggest cannon you have in any direction and not worry about collateral damage...  but somehow they have a football power at that level and CK has been a part of that for several years. 

Seems like a great choice for KSU, I get why you don't like him, or them, but this conference is dying a slow death and this seems like a good addition.  

If the Big 12 is dying, so is every conference other than the SEC.  The Big 10 just had a 1 loss blue blood champ sit at home, something that's never happened to the Big 12.

I never said NDSU or Klieman weren't good either.  They built that program by identifying big Midwestern farm kids and developing them into line men.  Scab in decent skill position guys who had character issues and you basically have the Osborne or Snyder recipe.

[clapclapclap 9000]

Klieman the ladder.

Edited December 11, 2018 by clapclapclap
Not quite as catchy as 'Row the damn boat'....

[Whatever 700]

Damn good hire there. Some talented coaches in this league.

[mulletpelini 5225]

1 hour ago, ClubWhatever said:

The big question here is whether it’s pronounced Kleeman or Klyman.  

I think it was originally Kleeman but then he changed it to Klyman to rhyme with Theismann

[satyanash 15597]

Not a good hire.

- Bohl was the one who built NDSU into the national title-winning powerhouse it is today, not Klieman, and he deserves the credit for it. Klieman just continued the trend (and Bohl meanwhile has done poorly at Wyoming). At K-State he'll have to orchestrate a rebuild on his own terms.

- Hiring an FCS coach all the way up to P5 is a massive risk. Huge, huge uptick in responsibilities. Recruiting will also fall of a cliff, he has no experience recruiting the area. He was Kansas' DB coach in 1997. That's his entire lifetime's worth of P5 experience at any level.

- Given that Gene Taylor, NDSU's previous AD is now at K-State, this feels very much like a gool ol' boy hire.

Edited December 11, 2018 by satyanash

[bluto 4996]

2 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Not a good hire.

- Bohl was the one who built NDSU into the national title-winning powerhouse it is today, not Klieman, and he deserves the credit for it. Klieman just continued the trend (and Bohl meanwhile has done poorly at Wyoming). At K-State he'll have to orchestrate a rebuild on his own terms.

- Hiring an FCS coach all the way up to P5 is a massive risk. Huge, huge uptick in responsibilities. Recruiting will also fall of a cliff, he has no experience recruiting the area. He was Kansas' DB coach in 1997. That's it as far as his P5 experience.

- Given that Gene Taylor, NDSU's previous AD is now at K-State, this feels very much like a gool ol' boy hire.

So his lack of recruiting ties to that hotbed state of Kansas is what's gonna do him in? 

[mulletpelini 5225]

Meh, there's around 10-15 decent players in KS any given year.  It's pretty easy to figure out who they are so not a ton of experience probably necessary.

[satyanash 15597]

3 minutes ago, bluto said:

So his lack of recruiting ties to that hotbed state of Kansas is what's gonna do him in? 

Two players on NDSU's roster are from Kansas. Two. That's it. FCS recruiting is a totally different animal from P5 recruiting, from the size of your staff to scholarship limits to recruiting reach.

[bluto 4996]

What I'm saying is if he's having to rely on Kansas talent to fill his roster he's flat out boned from the start. 

[David Dennison 19538]

33 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

If the Big 12 is dying, so is every conference other than the SEC.  The Big 10 just had a 1 loss blue blood champ sit at home, something that's never happened to the Big 12.

I never said NDSU or Klieman weren't good either.  They built that program by identifying big Midwestern farm kids and developing them into line men.  Scab in decent skill position guys who had character issues and you basically have the Osborne or Snyder recipe.

Sadly, the Big 12 is not dying.

[Treefidy 1507]

25 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

If the Big 12 is dying, so is every conference other than the SEC.  The Big 10 just had a 1 loss blue blood champ sit at home, something that's never happened to the Big 12.

I never said NDSU or Klieman weren't good either.  They built that program by identifying big Midwestern farm kids and developing them into line men.  Scab in decent skill position guys who had character issues and you basically have the Osborne or Snyder recipe.

Yes B12 is dying, most people know it because it's OU and a UT on the rise and everyone else.  Not enough helmet schools.  Longer post, moving it to realignment because it belongs there 

[CastHorn 902]

I liked Littrell for KSU better. Snyder was a wizard but his recruiting was one of the worst in the P5. Their lack of athleticism at skills positions held them back on all their championship squads. 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8983]

Klieman will get the rural KS farm boys to play OL and DT.. and build the team inside out.


This is his first HC senior class after taking over for bohl. It's about as stacked as it gets for fcs with good nfl talent. They would challenge Texas without a doubt on 20 less schollies. Secondary wouldn't keep up with LJH/ colin or ous spread but they would give a good fight. Their d line is ridiculous and they have an absolute beast of a lb in jabril cox.

Klieman will find these guys and more for kstate
. No doubt.

[Parliament 14596]

K State needs a HC who can recruit Texas. Klieman can not, and hence, he is not a good fit.

He shoulda held out for IA or ISU.

[ImissWallyPryor 9046]

2 hours ago, Royalfan5 said:

I’ll just note he has lost less games overall at the FCS level than Bo Pelini lost at the FCS level this year.

Fewer, dammit, F E W E R. 

[ImissWallyPryor 9046]

42 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Klieman will get the rural KS farm boys to play OL and DT.. and build the team inside out.


This is his first HC senior class after taking over for bohl. It's about as stacked as it gets for fcs with good nfl talent. They would challenge Texas without a doubt on 20 less schollies. Secondary wouldn't keep up with LJH/ colin or ous spread but they would give a good fight. Their d line is ridiculous and they have an absolute beast of a lb in jabril cox.

Klieman will find these guys and more for kstate
. No doubt.

I’ll refrain for now because I know you’re excited. 

[texifornia 59015]

 

[mulletpelini 5225]

36 minutes ago, texifornia said:

 

[LTtxfan 50003]

 

Crazy that KState got three December Commitments with Snyder Leaving...

 

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  Khalil McClainHutchinson C.C. (Hutchinson, KS) 
  6-3 / 212
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  47 5 13

  Commit 12/4/2018

  WR
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  Logan WilsonBishop Dunne (Dallas, TX) 
  5-10.5 / 165
   0.8539

  986 95 129

  Commit 12/10/2018

  CB
•  
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  Khalid DukeRiverside Military Academy (Gainesville, GA) 
  6-4 / 225
   NA

  NA NA NA

  Commit 12/6/2018

  OLB

Edited December 11, 2018 by LTtxfan

[satyanash 15597]

Yeah, Klieman had the monumental task of winning games with a down-on-its-luck NDSU team coming off of just three consecutive national championships. Hell of a rebuild.

Also the Jim Tressel comparisons are overblown. Tressel had five years of experience as a P5 assistant coach and coached Youngstown State for FIFTEEN years. His pre-tOSU resume blows Klieman's out of the water.

[Steamboat1874 4329]

So is he abandoning his playoff team right away or is he going to coach them the next two games?

[LTtxfan 50003]

6 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

So is he abandoning his playoff team right away or is he going to coach them the next two games?

 

Answer in Video....

 

Edited December 11, 2018 by LTtxfan

[MNLonghornFUKM 8983]

Yeah, Klieman had the monumental task of winning games with a down-on-its-luck NDSU team coming off of just three consecutive national championships. Hell of a rebuild.
Also the Jim Tressel comparisons are overblown. Tressel had five years of experience as a P5 assistant coach and coached Youngstown State for FIFTEEN years. His pre-tOSU resume blows Klieman's out of the water.

And Harbaugh at san diego?

[MNLonghornFUKM 8983]

I’ll refrain for now because I know you’re excited. 

You can say what you want... it's not going to offend me if you think a p5 coach needs fbs experience, needs to know how to handle budgets, donors, scholarships,being able to recruit texas etc.

[SilasCoade 2622]

Wyoming unexpectedly regressed this year, but that's a tough, tough place to win at. 8-5 and 8-6 the previous two years is not indicative of a bad coach at that program. He took over a shitpile from Christensen spent the first two years digging out of it. If strong had gone 8-6 his third year he would still be coaching at Texas, much less Wyoming.

[Machinator 32103]

6 minutes ago, Llogg said:

Wyoming unexpectedly regressed this year, but that's a tough, tough place to win at. 8-5 and 8-6 the previous two years is not indicative of a bad coach at that program. He took over a shitpile from Christensen spent the first two years digging out of it. If strong had gone 8-6 his third year he would still be coaching at Texas, much less Wyoming.

There's that, and the fact that they lost their starting QB to the first round of the NFL draft.

[ImissWallyPryor 9046]

15 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

9 hours ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

I’ll refrain for now because I know you’re excited. 

You can say what you want... it's not going to offend me if you think a p5 coach needs fbs experience, needs to know how to handle budgets, donors, scholarships,being able to recruit texas etc.

I was being a grammar-Nazi about you saying less instead of fewer. I gave Royalfan5 grief in the post just before that one. 

[SilasCoade 2622]

10 minutes ago, Machinator said:

There's that, and the fact that they lost their starting QB to the first round of the NFL draft.

Sure, but Bohl's scheme is less QB-centric and more about the OL pushing people around.

[Vertigo 20492]

10 hours ago, satyanash said:

Not a good hire.

- Bohl was the one who built NDSU into the national title-winning powerhouse it is today, not Klieman, and he deserves the credit for it. Klieman just continued the trend (and Bohl meanwhile has done poorly at Wyoming). At K-State he'll have to orchestrate a rebuild on his own terms.

- Hiring an FCS coach all the way up to P5 is a massive risk. Huge, huge uptick in responsibilities. Recruiting will also fall of a cliff, he has no experience recruiting the area. He was Kansas' DB coach in 1997. That's his entire lifetime's worth of P5 experience at any level.

- Given that Gene Taylor, NDSU's previous AD is now at K-State, this feels very much like a gool ol' boy hire.

I bet people said a lot of these same things whenever Oregon hired Chip Kelley from UMass. Good coaches are good coaches, they can win anywhere. 

[ImissWallyPryor 9046]

30 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

9 hours ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

I’ll refrain for now because I know you’re excited. 

You can say what you want... it's not going to offend me if you think a p5 coach needs fbs experience, needs to know how to handle budgets, donors, scholarships,being able to recruit texas etc.

I actually am a proponent of hiring successful coaches from a lower level. I don’t think it’s riskier to hire a proven FCS head coach than an assistant coach, unless that assistant was a long-time coordinator at a highly successful FBS school.  But, those are hard to come by for the KSUs of the world. 

[satyanash 15597]

4 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

I bet people said a lot of these same things whenever Oregon hired Chip Kelley from UMass. Good coaches are good coaches, they can win anywhere. 

Chip Kelly was hired from UMass to be Oregon's offensive coordinator. He had two years of successful OC-ing at Oregon under his belt before he became the head coach there.