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Georgia Defense: an Analytical Summary


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52 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

Nice summary. My thought when watching the SEC CCG was "My god, does nobody cover the middle of the field?" Georgia has a very good defense, no doubt, but I will be shocked if LJH doesn't have a monster night.

Disguised coverage confuses things most in the middle of the field.  Big XII defenses do this very well, which is one reason why you see so many passes outside the hash marks.  It's a much simpler read to make sure the corner isn't squatting on the out and then to check leverage on the slot defender.  You see the same pattern in the SEC but that's because few of their QBs read coverage that well, despite having more time to do so against less advanced schemes.

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I tend to over-analyze, well pretty much everything.  Gonna try something a bit more pragmatic here.

The biggest strengths of Georgia’s defense are interior run D, then deep coverage.  The biggest weaknesses are conflicting ILB responsibilities, lack of pressure (sacks and TFLs) and flats coverage.  In light of that, I’d like to see Texas DO:

  • ·         Run off tackle, especially with a backside constraint like ZR or jet sweep action.

  • ·         Threaten the perimeter and punish Kirby for demanding his ILBs fill A gaps AND cover RBs.

  • ·         Use play action and throw to areas usually covered by dropping LBs.

  • ·         Run the coverage off deep and give Sam the green light to run unless they pull a guy out of coverage to spy.

  • ·         Throw back shoulder to our big WRs.

 

DON’T:

  • ·         Run straight at the interior defense.  Flatten them out with swing pass, jet sweep or bubble screen looks before even trying this.

  • ·         Get too stubborn trying to establish the run generally.

  • ·         Throw inside screens at a DL that doesn’t even try to penetrate much of the time.

  • ·         Throw the deep post or go route unless the receiver is wide open.

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6 hours ago, sushihorn said:

Get too stubborn trying to.      establish the run generally

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This one is worrisome...   When we SHOULD be establishing the run, we tend to abandon it. When it's time to abandon the run, we tend to stubbornly try to force it....  Up the middle...

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It sounds to me like having some RPOs in this game would work well against a defense that doesn't do well in the middle of the field and wants to stay put around the line of scrimmage and cover the deep ball. This would maximize the carnage of confusion for the linebackers that are having to make decisions about slanting down for the run or dropping back into coverage.

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8 hours ago, sushihorn said:

DON’T:

 

  • ·         Run straight at the interior defense.  Flatten them out with swing pass, jet sweep or bubble screen looks before even trying this.

     

  • ·         Get too stubborn trying to establish the run generally.

This should be a "pass to run" play book.  We have the qb, receivers, and efficiency to move down the field 8-10 yards at a time.  Make Kirby adjust his default scheme to stop the bleed, and then attack whatever he's changed.  If he's leaving 1:1s with Johnson, Duverney, ljh, throw the deep ball and fucking connect so they at least have to think about it.  If they lighten the box, show that even sec defenses can be run on when spread out and conflicted. 

By the way, I'm under no illusion that any of this will be as easy as it sounds on paper.  Smart is a great defensive mind and Georgia has great defensive talent.  They'll have schemes for all of this, the question is whether they can actually execute them against our offensive personnel and efficiency.  I have to think this will be the best defense we've played this year, and likely we'll be the most dynamic offense Georgia has seen outside of Bama.  Great matchup to see how both coaches respond.  Time for mensa to show he's mensa. 

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8 hours ago, sushihorn said:

 

 

DON’T:

 

  • ·         Run straight at the interior defense.  Flatten them out with swing pass, jet sweep or bubble screen looks before even trying this.

     

  • ·         Get too stubborn trying to establish the run generally.

     

  • ·         Throw inside screens at a DL that doesn’t even try to penetrate much of the time.

     

  • ·         Throw the deep post or go route unless the receiver is wide open.

     

this is exactly what we are going to do, and if we do why we will lose.  

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So you're saying that what we do well on offense is exactly what UGa doesn't do well on defense?

Coaches like running inside because is does everything you want to do in a football game. It reduces opportunity for turnover, is simple, and allows you to control the clock. However, here in Big 12 land, we know there's no sense in controlling the clock until there's less than 5 minutes left in the game. Over 5 minutes, there's still plenty of time for 3 changes of possession and 2 TDs!

Of course, now we're talking about execution. Those pop passes where Sam overthrows Beck wide open in the middle after a fake, or those flare screens where the WR either misses the football, or his buddy misses a block, are just wasted downs.

I continue my excitement about testing the relative differences in conference styles represented in this game!

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We've got the skill players to hang with these guys.  We've been running plays that match up with their weaknesses all year in the passing game.  It's all going to come down to the OLine in the end.  We're going to have to run the ball inside eventually if we're going to win, let's just hope we have enough of everything else to wear their front 7 down a bit before we do.  

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You know those conditioning drills where the entire unit had to run again if one member pulled up at 98 yards on a 100 yard sprint? This is where we find out why.

Conditioning is largely psychological. You're eager and spirited in the 1st quarter rushing the passer and chasing the swing passes. In the 4th quarter, when Texas is running its 85th play of the game, it feels like you're doing it with iron boots on. Mentally, there's a bear on your shoulders. You've been conditioned not to quit, but no one would blame you for being exhausted, right?

That's when the Texas coaches remind their players about August. They paid their dues then. They can remove fatigue from their head because they know they did the work. Fatigue is not an excuse. They may get out talented, but they won't get out worked.

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16 minutes ago, bejezuz said:

We've got the skill players to hang with these guys.  We've been running plays that match up with their weaknesses all year in the passing game.  It's all going to come down to the OLine in the end.  We're going to have to run the ball inside eventually if we're going to win, let's just hope we have enough of everything else to wear their front 7 down a bit before we do.  

One thing to note for UGA is they regularly rotate the front 7 to keep fresh legs in there. With that being said, Texas' pace and tendency to run the same personnel grouping without substitution will make in-drive rotations tough on the Dawgs. They'll probably have to resort to series-by-series rotations with the occasional in-series change when Texas subs out. 

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You're overthinking it. How does our O-line match up against their D-line? I haven't watched enough Georgia games to get an idea. Sometimes our O-line is pretty darn good, sometimes not so much. If we can dominate the line of scrimmage we'll be able to do what we want. This is the first rule of football, and the one that matters most. Putting in plays that attack their weaknesses is second, and it's not particularly close.

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You and I discussed on another post, but I'm with you on avoiding the middle first.  Going tempo and moving the DL/LB side to side to wear them down could open up the middle a bit.   However, did you see anyone this year put any big receives across the center?   On a bend, but don't break deep coverage, I'm curious if it started to bring the backs closer to the line to stop the 7-15 cross routes.

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Being able to establish runs against nickel-2 or dime is necessary.  We don't need to win the game running the ball, but opening up PA and RPOs and creating more 1v1s makes the game a lot easier.  Their secondary isn't great compared to ISU/TCU/WVU, but letting them get comfortable in coverage and bracket both sides of the field is a recipe for disaster.

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1 hour ago, Leanderman said:

They will blitz us to death.

Kirby doesn't like to blitz.  They don't do it often, nor especially well by Big XII standards.

Texas also has some great answers it Georgia does blitz.  Tunnel screens, TE jerk routes, swing passes, hot routes (to LJ esp) and Sam's feet can all make them pay.  Lesser teams have done so repeatedly.

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3 hours ago, Bat Guano said:

You're overthinking it. How does our O-line match up against their D-line? I haven't watched enough Georgia games to get an idea. Sometimes our O-line is pretty darn good, sometimes not so much. If we can dominate the line of scrimmage we'll be able to do what we want. This is the first rule of football, and the one that matters most. Putting in plays that attack their weaknesses is second, and it's not particularly close.

It's like night and day.  In the running game, our OL will not push their defense around.  To run effectively, the backfield action needs to get them flowing and then the OL can HELP them keep moving that direction.  Use their size and inertia against them, which is easier said than done.

The Texas OL is strongest in pass pro and pass rushing is also the weakness of Georgia's defense.  I like Sam with 4 seconds to find an open receiver, especially if Kirby feels a need to spy with a LB to prevent him from breaking contain and taking off upfield.

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59 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

I like Sam with 4 seconds to find an open receiver, especially if Kirby feels a need to spy with a LB to prevent him from breaking contain and taking off upfield.

This is especially true if Georgia is focused on preventing the long ball. Texas receivers, particularly LJH, are pretty good at finding the soft spots in zone. I've seen mostly quarters out of Georgia's DBs. Seems to me there's going to be almost as much dinking and dunking in this game as McCoy, Shipley and Cosby used to do.

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3 hours ago, Hurtlocker said:

You and I discussed on another post, but I'm with you on avoiding the middle first.  Going tempo and moving the DL/LB side to side to wear them down could open up the middle a bit.   However, did you see anyone this year put any big receives across the center?   On a bend, but don't break deep coverage, I'm curious if it started to bring the backs closer to the line to stop the 7-15 cross routes.

Mizzou is the closest thing to a Big XII spread attack Georgia has seen.  They defended with 4 man fronts or 3 with a spy playing slightly off.  There were usually 5 defenders at deep LB depth, 5 yds off the LOS and 2 deep safeties in a cover 2 shell.  When the DBs play off, they are either going to bail to a cover 3 or quarters look or man up and carry the WRs downfield.  Either way you can run them off the LOS.  Patterns inside the numbers often command a double team from a deep safety.

As usual, UGa had trouble with motion receivers and RBs in the pattern.  Play action and RPOs were very effective because the ILBs tried to fill from 5 yds off so they had to attack any inside run look very aggressively to make the play.  They really struggled in coverage outside the hash marks and particularly outside the numbers. 

The safeties came up a few times but usually only when the CBs were bailing to deep thirds.

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8 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Since he's your best receiver, you may have this guy follow him around the field. https://www.dawgnation.com/football/deandre-baker-jim-thorpe-award-georgia-football 

Baker hasn't allowed a TD in the past two seasons. We shall see, as Baker usually lines up on outside receivers though, but will follow elite receivers around the field if Kirby feels it's warranted. He's shutdown every receiver he's lined up against the past two seasons. Should be a good match-up if he follows him around. 

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Just now, Teddy said:

Since he's your best receiver, you may have this guy follow him around the field. https://www.dawgnation.com/football/deandre-baker-jim-thorpe-award-georgia-football 

Baker hasn't allowed a TD in the past two seasons. We shall see, as Baker usually lines up on outside receivers though, but will follow elite receivers around the field if Kirby feels it's warranted. He's shutdown every receiver he's lined up against the past two seasons. Should be a good match-up if he follows him around. 

You'll probably want Baker on Colin Johnson.  He's taller, fast and more of a big play threat.  He also plays on the outside and tends to line up to the single receiver side.  By alignment, he's easier to single up with a corner.  CJ is more of a go route and sideline jump ball threat.  LJ Humphrey is the guy who finds the seams in zone coverage and gets open in man by being on the same page as Sam when reading option routes.

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7 hours ago, So_co said:

One thing to note for UGA is they regularly rotate the front 7 to keep fresh legs in there. With that being said, Texas' pace and tendency to run the same personnel grouping without substitution will make in-drive rotations tough on the Dawgs. They'll probably have to resort to series-by-series rotations with the occasional in-series change when Texas subs out. 

Or play the old fake-injury card.

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1 minute ago, sushihorn said:

You'll probably want Baker on Colin Johnson.  He's taller, fast and more of a big play threat.  He also plays on the outside and tends to line up to the single receiver side.  By alignment, he's easier to single up with a corner.  CJ is more of a go route and sideline jump ball threat.  LJ Humphrey is the guy who finds the seams in zone coverage and gets open in man by being on the same page as Sam when reading option routes.

Yeah, y'all have a lot of good receivers, so I could see Baker just staying on one side of the field and taking whoever comes out that way. 

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1 minute ago, Sock Drawer said:

Or play the old fake-injury card.

Lots of teams are doing the up-tempo offense these days, so UGA (and most schools for that matter) is usually ready for it. I'm glad that UGA, so far, has not resorted to the fake injuries. With a new d-coordinator for this game, it could be a little more tricky with substitutions/not-subbing on up-tempo, getting lined up correctly, etc. Will be interesting to see in that aspect. 

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14 minutes ago, Teddy said:

Since he's your best receiver, you may have this guy follow him around the field. https://www.dawgnation.com/football/deandre-baker-jim-thorpe-award-georgia-football 

Baker hasn't allowed a TD in the past two seasons. We shall see, as Baker usually lines up on outside receivers though, but will follow elite receivers around the field if Kirby feels it's warranted. He's shutdown every receiver he's lined up against the past two seasons. Should be a good match-up if he follows him around. 

The nice thing about LJ is we can move him around so that your best guy (if that is how UGA plays him) tips off coverage.  Otherwise, he gets lost in the mix and sometimes ends up matched up with LBs (see OU).

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Just now, jinx said:

The nice thing about LJ is we can move him around so that your best guy (if that is how UGA plays him) tips off coverage.  Otherwise, he gets lost in the mix and sometimes ends up matched up with LBs (see OU).

UGA runs a fairly complicated defense in the secondary. If you're an Xs & Os guy, you can read about it here,https://rileykolstefootball.com/2018/11/25/a-worthy-rival-the-kirby-smart-defense/. Basically UGA's defense will change on the fly in the middle of a play... For example, if X receiver does so & so, they stay with man coverage. But if X receiver does a certain thing, then the secondary will switch to zone on the fly. So, UGA will line up pretty much the exact same way every single time (based on the offense's personnel), then let the receivers' routes dictate what they do from there. This helps the other team from knowing exactly what they'll do, whether Baker is following a guy around or not. 

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11 minutes ago, Teddy said:

UGA runs a fairly complicated defense in the secondary. If you're an Xs & Os guy, you can read about it here,https://rileykolstefootball.com/2018/11/25/a-worthy-rival-the-kirby-smart-defense/. Basically UGA's defense will change on the fly in the middle of a play... For example, if X receiver does so & so, they stay with man coverage. But if X receiver does a certain thing, then the secondary will switch to zone on the fly. So, UGA will line up pretty much the exact same way every single time (based on the offense's personnel), then let the receivers' routes dictate what they do from there. This helps the other team from knowing exactly what they'll do, whether Baker is following a guy around or not. 

Pattern matching is not exactly new to us. Gary Patterson and TCU run a much more aggressive version, with an emphasis on getting to the passer, in addition to disguising coverages. To be fair, of course, the only times lately when we've been able to deal with it have been when TCU didn't have the personnel to run it properly. But all the same, it's not something new.

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19 minutes ago, Teddy said:

UGA runs a fairly complicated defense in the secondary. If you're an Xs & Os guy, you can read about it here,https://rileykolstefootball.com/2018/11/25/a-worthy-rival-the-kirby-smart-defense/. Basically UGA's defense will change on the fly in the middle of a play... For example, if X receiver does so & so, they stay with man coverage. But if X receiver does a certain thing, then the secondary will switch to zone on the fly. So, UGA will line up pretty much the exact same way every single time (based on the offense's personnel), then let the receivers' routes dictate what they do from there. This helps the other team from knowing exactly what they'll do, whether Baker is following a guy around or not. 

The complexity also causes them to confuse themselves at times.  Take a look at how many times the coverage loses receivers when the QB can extend the play.

 

7 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

Pattern matching is not exactly new to us. Gary Patterson and TCU run a much more aggressive version, with an emphasis on getting to the passer, in addition to disguising coverages. To be fair, of course, the only times lately when we've been able to deal with it have been when TCU didn't have the personnel to run it properly. But all the same, it's not something new.

TCU runs a much faster, pressure version of the defense.  It's designed to penetrate and disrupt rather than wall off and hold.  Patterson's version tries to spill any run play towards the sideline and the perimeter run support he gets from running base nickel.  Smart's version tries to clog the middle and hope that the LBs can scrape fast enough to the outside to turn the play back towards pursuit.

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6 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

 Smart's version tries to clog the middle and hope that the LBs can scrape fast enough to the outside to turn the play back towards pursuit.

...which is why this may be the first time all year that Jamison's offensive contribution would be for plus yardage. At least, one would hope.

I'm expecting an awful lot more pre-snap motion in this game plan, actually. This ought to have Herb Hand's fingerprints all over it. A successful run game against this type of scheme really needs to be outside-in, and complementary to a passing game that emphasizes the flats and the squishy parts of the zone, with the occasional nod to CJ and LJH when they get a favorable one-on-one, but only enough deep stuff to keep 'em honest.

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1 hour ago, Walden Ponderer said:

Pattern matching is not exactly new to us. Gary Patterson and TCU run a much more aggressive version, with an emphasis on getting to the passer, in addition to disguising coverages. To be fair, of course, the only times lately when we've been able to deal with it have been when TCU didn't have the personnel to run it properly. But all the same, it's not something new.

For sure. Definitely didn’t mean to come off as if it’s some kind of new defense. 

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1 hour ago, sushihorn said:

The complexity also causes them to confuse themselves at times.  Take a look at how many times the coverage loses receivers when the QB can extend the play.

 

I’d say most secondaries have a much greater chance of losing receivers the longer a QB extends a play, no matter the defense. 

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On 12/13/2018 at 7:59 PM, Jkwellborn said:

I’m not sure how often the coaching staff will gamble a play to duvernay. It’s high risk/high reward though.

Truth. That one play in the CCG where Duvernay was streaking down the middle of the field on that post route with no Sooner within 15 yards of him was insanely risky. Luckily Sam made the safe throw to LJH in double coverage and drew the PI. 

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Since most comments have been on UT’s offense vs. UGA’s defense... How do you guys think your defense will matchup against UGA’s offense? I’ve seen a few UT games, so don’t know a lot about your defense and playmakers. 

UGA’s offense is fairly “simple” pro-style. 60/40 run/pass. Goal is to grind your front 7 into submission on the ground. If you have depth on the front 7, you should be able to slow them down. UGA will take shots in the passing game to keep the defense honest. Fromm can throw for 300 if you sellout on the run, and is accurate and efficient. There’s a handful of good receivers and tight end, but no one with gaudy numbers, due to the run first philosophy and Fromm spreading the ball around. 

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Truth. That one play in the CCG where Duvernay was streaking down the middle of the field on that post route with no Sooner within 15 yards of him was insanely risky. Luckily Sam made the safe throw to LJH in double coverage and drew the PI. 

You’re being a smart ass. Texas won’t be able to waste downs. If Sam was better at that, I’d say throw it till they stop it. But it’s not a strength.
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37 minutes ago, Teddy said:

Since most comments have been on UT’s offense vs. UGA’s defense... How do you guys think your defense will matchup against UGA’s offense? I’ve seen a few UT games, so don’t know a lot about your defense and playmakers. 

UGA’s offense is fairly “simple” pro-style. 60/40 run/pass. Goal is to grind your front 7 into submission on the ground. If you have depth on the front 7, you should be able to slow them down. UGA will take shots in the passing game to keep the defense honest. Fromm can throw for 300 if you sellout on the run, and is accurate and efficient. There’s a handful of good receivers and tight end, but no one with gaudy numbers, due to the run first philosophy and Fromm spreading the ball around. 

The Texas defense does better against pro-style offense, but they faced no one close to Georgia’s talent level. I’m not sure how our front 5 can hold up to Georgia’s front 7.

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