Georgia Defense: an Analytical Summary

[sushihorn 3233]

3 minutes ago, meansonny said:

So_co is stating that our OL does a great job getting to the linebackers when the DL is undersized and a quick combo block leaves a clear path to the linebacker.

 

We will find out tomorrow if that is the case.  But an OL that can't hold the double-team usually spells trouble for the linebackers.

2 guys can definitely command a double team: Nelson and Omenihu.  We're concerned about the 3rd DL spot.

[meansonny 3]

38 minutes ago, lemonandaturd said:

Georgia had 445 total offense against Missouri.  Missouri had 393 total offense against Georgia.  Missouri was moving the ball at the Georgia 31 and fumbled.  Georgia  picked up the  fumble and returned it for a touchdown.  They also blocked a Missouri punt and returned it for an 8 yard touchdown.  The final score was 43 -29.  Georgia is not Alabama, especially without Baker.  

Georgia gave Missouri the run game.  We designed the scheme to take away the pass.  Drew Lock had one of his worst days of his career.  Their run game got 4 rushing touchdowns.  We knew their run game couldn't keep up with us with their bad defense and we called a game to win by a couple of scores.

I mentioned earlier that we are great at taking away a team's best attributes (whether it is run or pass)

Since after the LSU game, tFr Jordan Davis has been our nose tackle.  And even our nickle/dime defense has been respectable against the run.  He is questionable with a back injury.  That could be significant.

[meansonny 3]

1 minute ago, sushihorn said:

2 guys can definitely command a double team: Nelson and Omenihu.  We're concerned about the 3rd DL spot.

Most plays usually only need to double one to get a hole.  But I'm sure we will run some zone that attacks 2 of your DL.

[Teddy 25]

11 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

The point is that Texas did a much better job than the average of those supposedly superior SEC defenses, which Missouri faced every week.  Every SEC defense other than Georgia gave up more rushing yards than Texas did for example.  It's the most recent comp available with zero common opponents this year.

Mizzou had an interim OC calling plays, and Heupel was not there. I'm sure that had a little something to do with it. Could be similar this game, but in reverse, UGA doesn't have its DC for this game, so could cause some confusion on a new person calling the plays. 

[meansonny 3]

3 minutes ago, SA-KC_Horn said:

I'm curious to seem how many Jet Sweeps UGA is willing to run, since that is our achilles heel.

This match up is intriguing because we've been playing B12 teams that have exceptional speed and willingness to use all four downs, but UGA appears to want to utilize their size in the trenches and wear Texas out and create running lanes that was displayed from 2012-2016.

Some games, we run a lot of sweeps (4-6).  Our offense isn't designed to run 80 plays, so that is a big number for us.  Some games, we may go once or twice.  Coaches attack weaknesses that they see.  Sometimes, they are only setting up something else for later.

[meansonny 3]

14 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

The point is that Texas did a much better job than the average of those supposedly superior SEC defenses, which Missouri faced every week.  Every SEC defense other than Georgia gave up more rushing yards than Texas did for example.  It's the most recent comp available with zero common opponents this year.

Last season, we played our normal defense against mizzou.  We gave up two 64 yard bombs (we took away their best receiving target, but #2 torched us).

 

We attacked the passing game this year and virtually gave them numbers in the run game.  To mizzou's credit, they marched the field for 4 scores on the ground. But with no help from the passing game, our lead was never in jeopardy.

[meansonny 3]

25 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

Turnovers and special teams are a part of the game. And while not immune, UT is definitely much better in the turnover department than all but three of the teams they've played this year. They lost against two of those (WVU and Maryland). The Horns rank 27th in FBS in turnover margin; Georgia ranks 36th. Sam very rarely throws interceptions, and the more fumble prone RB on our roster is not likely to get much playing time in this game, so I am not remotely worried about the turnover game -- I fully expect Texas to win that battle, though perhaps not decisively.

Special teams are another thing altogether. We have a decent, not great, kicker, and a punter whose best days had better be ahead of him, because his career so far has (ahem!) not been indicative of his being the talent that his cousin is. In the return game, we get to pick our poison -- either go with the explosive return man who is a threat to take it to the house, provided he does not, instead, field punts he shouldn't, and not field punts he should, or we can go with the sure-handed, high football IQ return man who is probably not going to bust a long one (though to be fair, he has before, once, last year, so it is possible).

Herman referenced flipping the field on Georgia being a key. I hope he's wrong, because I do not expect Texas to win that particular battle.

UGA has very good legs in the kicking game.  But when there is a return, we have been poor.

 

As for turnovers, Tua has thrown 3 interceptions in 2 games against us (just a little over 4 quarters to be honest.  He has thrown 6 in his college career).

We aren't great at turnovers (hurts may be more like Sam, and we have zero INTS against Jalen), but we have been timely the past couple of seasons.

[Teddy 25]

23 minutes ago, SA-KC_Horn said:

I'm curious to seem how many Jet Sweeps UGA is willing to run, since that is our achilles heel.

This match up is intriguing because we've been playing B12 teams that have exceptional speed and willingness to use all four downs, but UGA appears to want to utilize their size in the trenches and wear Texas out and create running lanes that was displayed from 2012-2016.

Mecole Hardman is the most likely to run jet sweeps, although UGA has 3-4 guys that will run it. Here's his sophomore highlights from last year with a few sweeps in there. He's also top 30 in KO return average and #2 in the nation in punt return average. His a 4.3 forty guy, that runs track at UGA. He was a dual threat QB in high school (recruited as an athlete), played CB his freshman year at UGA, and just switched to WR last year. So, he's still pretty green at the position, but is getting better and better. 

 

[So_co 69]

1 hour ago, sushihorn said:

Auburn is just one example.  Georgia needed turnovers or big plays on special teams to crack 30 against Missouri, Kentucky, Florida, Tennessee and Auburn.  Obviously they didn't do well against LSU regardless.  There are enough examples to establish a pattern.

While we're talking about offensive struggles, what happened to Texas at Kansas? With the Championship Game appearance on the line how did Herman allow this stinker of a game?

 

Matchup
1st Downs	19	14
3rd down efficiency	6-15	9-19
4th down efficiency	0-0	0-1
Total Yards	297	296
Passing	154	159
Comp-Att	16-28	18-35
Yards per pass	5.5	4.5
Interceptions thrown	2	1
Rushing	143	137
Rushing Attempts	41	33
Yards per rush	3.5	4.2
Penalties	4-35	9-98
Turnovers	2	1
Fumbles lost	0	0
Interceptions thrown	2	1
Possession	31:18	28:42

[Nivek 16859]

You need to understand that by being in the SEC the teams get bigger and faster and are basically NFL light teams. Texas is a no-name scrub that has no shot. Texas players should just change outfits with Texas State and let them play for the swag, while Texas players avoid the devastating injuries to their bodies and psyche. After all if OU got crushed by USC, then surely Texas would.

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[sushihorn 3233]

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While we're talking about offensive struggles, what happened to Texas at Kansas? With the Championship Game appearance on the line how did Herman allow this stinker of a game?

Sam's shoulder was still injured.  Probably contributed to the 2 picks.  Game plan was very conservative and limited his carries.  Quite reminiscent of the 2005 aggy game and for similar reasons.  Even with the uncharacteristic turnovers and a blown call on the onside kick, KU never had a chance in that game.

[So_co 69]

1 hour ago, sushihorn said:

Texas will penetrate and disrupt.  Creating negative plays hurts a run-dependent offense more than it would hurt an offense comfortable throwing it from any down and distance.

I wouldn't say UGA is not "comfortable" throwing from any down and distance.  Here's Jake's vs. Sam's numbers on third down passing this year.  The numbers are sorted by passer rating making Jake 21st in the nation and Sam 41st. 

 

	Name	Team	Yr	G	Att	Comp	Pct.	Yards	TD	Int	Rating	1st	1st / Att
21	Jake Fromm	Georgia	SO	12	67	39	58.2	520	9	3	158.77	30	44.8%
41	Sam Ehlinger	Texas	SO	13	101	62	61.4	849	6	3	145.67	44	43.6%

[So_co 69]

3 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

Sam's shoulder was still injured.  Probably contributed to the 2 picks.  Game plan was very conservative and limited his carries.  Quite reminiscent of the 2005 aggy game and for similar reasons.  Even with the uncharacteristic turnovers and a blown call on the onside kick, KU never had a chance in that game.

So, similar to the teams you mentioned vs. UGA that never really had a chance in the game either?

[sushihorn 3233]

2 minutes ago, So_co said:

So, similar to the teams you mentioned vs. UGA that never really had a chance in the game either?

True but irrelevant.  You're asking about a specific game, with a real outlier of an outcome.  I'm pointing to a season long patter where UGa's offense has trouble breaking 30 without a lot of help from the D and special teams.

[So_co 69]

2 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

True but irrelevant.  You're asking about a specific game, with a real outlier of an outcome.  I'm pointing to a season long patter where UGa's offense has trouble breaking 30 without a lot of help from the D and special teams.

Was it an outlier though?

K-State, Tulsa, Maryland, and Baylor.  All teams that a more talented Texas team should have manhandled.  All decided by 7 or less.  

[Cajun 11675]

1 hour ago, Gaffords said:

UGA has never seen a Hager materialize in the backgield at the snap and it will take them a couple of quarters to figure out that as long as they ignore him, he will run right by..

Unless one of their O-Linemen is just bored and wants to throw him around like a rag doll, for shits and giggles.

[So_co 69]

1 hour ago, sushihorn said:

Todd Orlando's defensive philosophy has just fine against a lot of different offensive looks.  But this year's personnel are best suited to defending pro style offenses.  The last SEC team Texas played was held FAR below their season averages in points, rushing and total yards by Orlando's defense.

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[So_co 69]

1 hour ago, Walden Ponderer said:

You sir, win the internet for the day.  Fine job.

[meansonny 3]

9 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

True but irrelevant.  You're asking about a specific game, with a real outlier of an outcome.  I'm pointing to a season long patter where UGa's offense has trouble breaking 30 without a lot of help from the D and special teams.

We have had trouble breaking 30 when up by multiple scores and getting reps for backups on offense and defense in the 4th quarter.

 

We have developed into a very different team at the end of the year than the beginning of the year.  Combining our youth and the number of reps that we have given the youth in second halves, several starter positions have flipped to younger, more talented players.

 

I'm sure Texas is probably the same.  But the point is that our backups on both sides of the ball have been more important than breaking 30.  Our player participation reports have been up to 68 on the road.

 

Against Auburn, Justin Fields and Brien Herrin ran 13 plays and 8:44 off the clock in our final drive of the 4th quarter.  The defensive side of the ball was equally run by backups.

If you want to see us break 30 points, don't look to a game where we are up 17 points in the 4th quarter.  Not only are we deflating the football, we are doing it with backups.

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

Great news, guys! There's no need to play the game. We already know Texas is going to win. Just hand out the trophy already, and head back to the French Quarter.

[sushihorn 3233]

11 minutes ago, So_co said:

Was it an outlier though?

K-State, Tulsa, Maryland, and Baylor.  All teams that a more talented Texas team should have manhandled.  All decided by 7 or less.  

You're thinking like a Georgia fan.  Your recruiting has been superior for years.  Texas is beating people more with scheme and effort than pure talent at this point.  There are 2 transition classes (2013 now RS seniors and 2017 sophs and RS freshmen) that were way below what most people would expect for Texas recruiting.  Charlie Strong's non-transition classes were ranked around #10 but even some of that talent was lost to transfers in the coaching change.  It's true that Texas had a great 2018 recruiting class.  But recruiting classes were ranked #17, #10, #9, #25 and #3.  And the talent remaining is likely lower than that for Strong's classes.  So really only the freshmen are going to out-talent most opponents by a wide enough margin to ensure victory that way.

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26 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

  I'm pointing to a season long patter where UGa's offense has trouble breaking 30 without a lot of help from the D and special teams.

Season long pattern?

 

You seem perceptive.

Did you notice the season long pattern of being up by 14+ points in the 4th quarter?

Did you notice the pattern of long drives with lots of backups in the 4th quarter?

 

I assume Texas is the same.  But when these games are over, we want to get experience, drain the clock, and get out healthy with a win.  A lot more important than trying to score as much as possible in the 4th.

[sushihorn 3233]

10 minutes ago, meansonny said:

Season long pattern?

 

You seem perceptive.

Did you notice the season long pattern of being up by 14+ points in the 4th quarter?

Did you notice the pattern of long drives with lots of backups in the 4th quarter?

 

I assume Texas is the same.  But when these games are over, we want to get experience, drain the clock, and get out healthy with a win.  A lot more important than trying to score as much as possible in the 4th.

There's a huge difference.  Georgia's offense starts out conservative and run heavy.  They don't change much when they go into clock killing mode.  Texas is a much better passing team.  Switching to running out the clock takes away a much bigger part of the playbook for the Longhorns.

Edited December 31, 2018 by sushihorn

[So_co 69]

2 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

You're thinking like a Georgia fan.  Your recruiting has been superior for years.  Texas is beating people more with scheme and effort than pure talent at this point.  There are 2 transition classes (2013 now RS seniors and 2017 sophs and RS freshmen) that were way below what most people would expect for Texas recruiting.  Charlie Strong's non-transition classes were ranked around #10 but even some of that talent was lost to transfers in the coaching change.  It's true that Texas had a great 2018 recruiting class.  But recruiting classes were ranked #17, #10, #9, #25 and #3.  And the talent remaining is likely lower than that for Strong's classes.  So really only the freshmen are going to out-talent most opponents by a wide enough margin to ensure victory that way.

Ok. So, maybe Texas isn't as talented as I think.  Same point still stands.  There's a season long trend of Texas not being able out scheme and out effort teams that shouldn't be on the level of Texas, Herman, and Orlando.  

[Gaffords 755]

Georgia still can't find the QB and with no pressure on a qb like Sam he's goung to push the ball deep to two monster recievers or fuck you across the middle with Beck.  That is, when he's not raping you for 15 -20 yards a run.  Oh and our backs are no bumsby any means...

Our offense is not OU's by any means. But two of our recievers will have to be doubled all night and they love to go deep right down opposite sidelines which really puts alot of pressure on your linebackers to cover a lot of green in the middle against some other talented and speedy recievers...  Covering the middle just so happens is NOT Georgia's strength any more than getting pressure on quarterbacks... your middle is really going to be sooo soft seeing that you will have to leave a spy for Sam or he's going to truck your secondary like bowling pins seeing that your big fat boys up front are going to be too far apart and too slow to offer any help when he feels like stretching his legs... Those big and physical recievers and our TE are pretty good at removing group tacklers, leaving him one on one with some poor soul in the wrong place at the wrong time...

Oh we really haven't used the backs out of the backfield much as recievers, but it is something he's been known to use in the past and i seem to remember our transfer catching some balls while he was with Cal. Ingram seems to have decent hands also, but seeing Georgia's suffers in the pass rush, it would be a perfect time to throw in some serious wrinkles with something Georgia hasn't seen on game film...

Georgia's vanilla Offense is tailored to play right into the only "strengths" Texas has on defense. Run up the middle-play action offenses got stuffed early and were forced to the air and plenty of picks...

What these Georgia dumb fucks on here don't realize is that our losses (outside of the championship) and close wins have ALL been self inflicted.  I don't know if we fixed the boneheaded problems we had on defense, but most of our games should have been huge blowouts...  between 4th quarter defensive naps (or completely taking off one of rhe two halves), stupid offsides, uneccessary holdings, retarded personal fouls, you name it...  However many yards we gave up on defense per game, we gave up another half as many in stupidity... We probably set some sort of record for putting teams looking at 3rd and 17-20 just to give them the first down with penalties that were committed awa from the ball...   If this team cut out only half of the stupid mistakes per game, we would look dangerous. If the defense would've played 4 full quarters, we would have ended with no more than one loss and multiple blowouts...  If we've gotten these issues anywhere close to normal, it could be a LONG NIGHtT for Georgia fans..,

 

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

4 minutes ago, So_co said:

There's a season long trend of Texas not being able out scheme and out effort teams that shouldn't be on the level of Texas, Herman, and Orlando.  

Actually, I'm gonna have to agree with this. Texas plays to the level of their opponent, for better or worse. The joke is, Texas can play with anybody in the country. We could hang within 7 against mighty Alabama, or win by 7 against mighty Slippery Rock.

[So_co 69]

9 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

There's a huge difference.  Georgia's offense starts out conservative and run heavy.  They don't change much when they go into clock killing mode.  Texas is a much better passing team.  Switching to running out the clock takes away a much bigger part of the playbook for the Longhorns.

Are they though?  You're a stats guy, so I'm sure you are familiar with Football Outsiders.  They have UGA as the #4 passing team in the nation in Passing S&P+.  Texas is #42.

LINK: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaaoff

 

 

Team	Off. S&P+	Rk	Success Rt+	Rk	IsoPPP+	Rk	Rushing	Rk	Passing	Rk	SD	Rk	PD	Rk
							S&P+		S&P+		S&P+		S&P+
Oklahoma	52.2	1	129.1	2	124.7	1	124.8	1	130.6	2	123.8	1	130.8	2
Alabama	46.4	2	131.9	1	122.3	2	120.2	5	132.6	1	121.6	2	141.6	1
Georgia	43.1	3	126.3	3	113.1	10	119.5	7	124.6	4	116.5	4	129.1	3
Ohio State	42.8	4	123	6	101.9	47	101.6	54	121.2	5	110.3	13	122.3	5
Central Florida	41.8	5	113.6	18	105.1	29	106.1	37	116.8	8	105.8	32	118.2	7
West Virginia	41.6	6	111.4	20	116.3	5	106.6	35	113.7	12	110.6	10	118.1	8
Clemson	41.6	7	119.2	10	104.4	34	119	8	108.1	27	110.8	9	118.6	6
Memphis	40.7	8	110.2	24	112.5	11	121.9	4	101.3	66	111	8	108.5	27
Ohio	40.5	9	125.6	4	106.6	25	122.1	3	113	14	118.8	3	108.6	26
Oklahoma State	40.3	10	107.3	35	105.5	28	108.5	25	104.2	43	104.9	39	107	32
Houston	38.9	11	102.7	57	117.9	4	108.6	24	109	23	106.5	27	114.2	14
Ole Miss	37.9	12	114.2	15	114.1	9	111.8	15	112.8	15	113.5	5	113.6	17
Wisconsin	37.9	13	119.7	8	96	89	122.6	2	97.7	80	111	7	102.6	53
Washington State	37.6	14	113.9	16	101.6	51	101.9	53	106.1	35	107.3	24	109	25
Missouri	37.5	15	114.6	14	101.6	52	108.9	21	110.5	17	108.4	20	108.1	29
Purdue	36.6	16	108.1	31	115.7	7	107.7	29	108.8	24	110.3	12	108.4	28
Toledo	36.2	17	108.6	27	110.2	16	116.1	12	103.6	46	111.3	6	100.2	70
Boise State	36	18	119.4	9	97.9	82	112.3	14	107.9	29	108.2	21	114.1	16
Texas A&M	35.9	19	114.8	13	100	64	108.8	22	108.7	25	105.7	33	114.8	12
Utah State	35.8	20	112.8	19	107.4	22	108.4	26	107.4	32	110.5	11	111.3	21
NC State	35.6	21	119.9	7	94	97	97.9	75	113.7	13	105.6	35	112.7	19
Stanford	35.4	22	108.1	32	115.3	8	92.6	105	117.2	7	108.5	19	115.7	10
Oregon	35.4	23	100.7	66	103.7	37	100.5	57	105.1	39	97.1	89	114.9	11
Michigan	35.2	24	114.9	12	101.1	58	107.3	33	115.1	10	110.3	14	103	50
Texas Tech	34.9	25	108.4	29	93.6	101	94.6	97	102.8	53	102	50	105.5	39
Notre Dame	34.7	26	104.3	49	104.2	35	98	74	109.4	21	103.8	44	104.2	45
Florida	34.7	27	110.2	25	100.9	59	107.3	32	107.8	30	106.3	30	100.2	69
Texas	34.4	28	106.4	41	92.1	110	95.2	93	104.3	42	100.2	61	99.6	73

[sushihorn 3233]

13 minutes ago, So_co said:

Ok. So, maybe Texas isn't as talented as I think.  Same point still stands.  There's a season long trend of Texas not being able out scheme and out effort teams that shouldn't be on the level of Texas, Herman, and Orlando.  

There's a pattern there but not the one you think.  Opening 2 games, the offense underperformed.  Injured Sam, the offense underperformed.  KSU?  You have to watch them to understand.  They are the Princeton basketball of FBS.

It's weird having Texas as the scrappy underdog but that was true against OU as well.

Edited December 31, 2018 by sushihorn

[meansonny 3]

18 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

There's a huge difference.  Georgia's offense starts out conservative and run heavy.  They don't change much when they go into clock killing mode.  Texas is a much better passing team.  Switching to running out the clock takes away a much bigger part of the playbook for the Longhorns.

So you didn't notice.

[taybo20 2815]

16 minutes ago, So_co said:

Ok. So, maybe Texas isn't as talented as I think.  Same point still stands.  There's a season long trend of Texas not being able out scheme and out effort teams that shouldn't be on the level of Texas, Herman, and Orlando.  

Oklahoma State was bad defensively for us 

[sushihorn 3233]

1 minute ago, meansonny said:

So you didn't notice.

You're confusing ignoring irrelevancies which I've already explained for not noticing those irrelevancies.

[So_co 69]

2 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

There's a pattern there but not the one you think.  Opening 2 games, the offense underperformed.  Injured Sam, the offense underperformed.  KSU?  You have to watch them to understand.  They are the Princeton basketball of FBS.

It's weird having Texas as the scrappy underdog but that was true against OU as well.

It's just odd to lock in on a "season long trend" of UGA not being able to score more than thirty without Special Teams and/or defensive field position gifts while still defeating the teams by 3+ scores on one hand while ignoring the elephant in the room with UT's struggles to defeat teams that they should really be better than.

[Teddy 25]

24 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

There's a huge difference.  Georgia's offense starts out conservative and run heavy.  They don't change much when they go into clock killing mode.  Texas is a much better passing team.  Switching to running out the clock takes away a much bigger part of the playbook for the Longhorns.

UGA beats UT in every passing statistic besides two categories; # of attempts, which then leads to overall yardage being to your advantage. Give Fromm the same amount of attempts as Ehlinger and Fromm wins the total yardage category in a landslide as well. I think both teams are potent in the passing game, they just go about it in two totally different ways. 

[Dahobbs 17447]

2 minutes ago, So_co said:

It's just odd to lock in on a "season long trend" of UGA not being able to score more than thirty without Special Teams and/or defensive field position gifts while still defeating the teams by 3+ scores on one hand while ignoring the elephant in the room with UT's struggles to defeat teams that they should really be better than.

I don't think anyone is ignoring that. Texas is a flawed team. We have played up and down to our competition this year. If we play our best game, we can hang and maybe even beat Georgia. If we don't, we won't have much to talk about past halftime. If we execute and don't shoot ourselves in the dick, we should be able to move the ball and slow down Georgia. We tend to play better against better teams, so I think everyone is just hoping (assuming?) that Texas team shows up. There isn't much point to talking about how the Kansas game Texas team matches up with Georgia. It doesn't. 

[sushihorn 3233]

1 minute ago, So_co said:

It's just odd to lock in on a "season long trend" of UGA not being able to score more than thirty without Special Teams and/or defensive field position gifts while still defeating the teams by 3+ scores on one hand while ignoring the elephant in the room with UT's struggles to defeat teams that they should really be better than.

Texas has also beaten a team that should have been clearly superior on paper.  Georgia has not.  Texas also did not get blown out by a less talented team.  So we are talking about comparable weaknesses generally.  I'm attempting to correct the general mis-impression that Georgia is some kind of juggernaut.  Feel free to point out Texas' weaknesses.  But we know them pretty well so it doesn't add to the knowledge base of this board.  But most posters here aren't that familiar with Georgia.  What they do know is somewhat distorted by the ESPN-SEC hype machine.  I see part of my role as introducing facts that may not match that narrative.

[meansonny 3]

4 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

You're confusing ignoring irrelevancies which I've already explained for not noticing those irrelevancies.

We drained almost 9 minutes on the clock in the 4th quarter with our backups against Auburn.  The previous drive was 2 carries for 70 yards and a TD by DeAndre Swift.

 

And you are questioning our ability to score 30 unassisted in games where we are up 14 to 17 points in the fourth?

I'm answering your question.  We measure success by getting our backups reps in those games.  We have recruited very well.  But they can't help us if they don't see the field throughout the season.

 

There were 2 games where we didn't enjoy a 2 score lead in the fourth.  LSU and Bama.  Let's just say that we are seeing the fruits of those labors now with no Baker at CB, a questionable Walker at OLB, and questionable Davis at NT.

[Dahobbs 17447]

9 minutes ago, Teddy said:

UGA beats UT in every passing statistic besides two categories; # of attempts, which then leads to overall yardage being to your advantage. Give Fromm the same amount of attempts as Ehlinger and Fromm wins the total yardage category in a landslide as well. I think both teams are potent in the passing game, they just go about it in two totally different ways. 

I don't think you can make that type of comparison. Give Fromm that many attempts and you would take away from the base of Georgia's offense, the run game. Without it, I doubt Georgia's passing offense would be anywhere near as efficient. I don't disagree with overall conclusion though. 

Edited December 31, 2018 by Dahobbs

[So_co 69]

18 minutes ago, Gaffords said:

Georgia still can't find the QB and with no pressure on a qb like Sam he's goung to push the ball deep to two monster recievers or fuck you across the middle with Beck.  That is, when he's not raping you for 15 -20 yards a run.  Oh and our backs are no bumsby any means...

Our offense is not OU's by any means. But two of our recievers will have to be doubled all night and they love to go deep right down opposite sidelines which really puts alot of pressure on your linebackers to cover a lot of green in the middle against some other talented and speedy recievers...  Covering the middle just so happens is NOT Georgia's strength any more than getting pressure on quarterbacks... your middle is really going to be sooo soft seeing that you will have to leave a spy for Sam or he's going to truck your secondary like bowling pins seeing that your big fat boys up front are going to be too far apart and too slow to offer any help when he feels like stretching his legs... Those big and physical recievers and our TE are pretty good at removing group tacklers, leaving him one on one with some poor soul in the wrong place at the wrong time...

Oh we really haven't used the backs out of the backfield much as recievers, but it is something he's been known to use in the past and i seem to remember our transfer catching some balls while he was with Cal. Ingram seems to have decent hands also, but seeing Georgia's suffers in the pass rush, it would be a perfect time to throw in some serious wrinkles with something Georgia hasn't seen on game film...

Georgia's vanilla Offense is tailored to play right into the only "strengths" Texas has on defense. Run up the middle-play action offenses got stuffed early and were forced to the air and plenty of picks...

What these Georgia dumb fucks on here don't realize is that our losses (outside of the championship) and close wins have ALL been self inflicted.  I don't know if we fixed the boneheaded problems we had on defense, but most of our games should have been huge blowouts...  between 4th quarter defensive naps (or completely taking off one of rhe two halves), stupid offsides, uneccessary holdings, retarded personal fouls, you name it...  However many yards we gave up on defense per game, we gave up another half as many in stupidity... We probably set some sort of record for putting teams looking at 3rd and 17-20 just to give them the first down with penalties that were committed awa from the ball...   If this team cut out only half of the stupid mistakes per game, we would look dangerous. If the defense would've played 4 full quarters, we would have ended with no more than one loss and multiple blowouts...  If we've gotten these issues anywhere close to normal, it could be a LONG NIGHtT for Georgia fans..,

 

Thanks for the warm welcome.  😎

I know you're looking at the sack numbers, and making a judgement based on them being lower than one would expect.  That's fair.  The reality is you are going to be surprised at how uncomfortable in the pocket UGA will be able to make Sam during this game. 

[So_co 69]

7 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

Texas has also beaten a team that should have been clearly superior on paper.  Georgia has not.  Texas also did not get blown out by a less talented team.  So we are talking about comparable weaknesses generally.  I'm attempting to correct the general mis-impression that Georgia is some kind of juggernaut.  Feel free to point out Texas' weaknesses.  But we know them pretty well so it doesn't add to the knowledge base of this board.  But most posters here aren't that familiar with Georgia.  What they do know is somewhat distorted by the ESPN-SEC hype machine.  I see part of my role as introducing facts that may not match that narrative.

That was a great victory in the Red River Shootout.  Gotta throw out all the stats and rankings when it comes to a rivalry game.  Anything can happen when teams hate each other that much.

 

For UGA and LSU, the Dawgs ran into a buzzsaw.  They got rattled early, got thrown off their gameplan, and never recovered.  Sucks too, because a W there pretty much would have secured a playoff spot even with the loss to Bama in the title game.  UGA was overconfident and a little too full of themselves.  Got punched in the mouth and lost all composure.  The only positive from that game was a much needed attitude adjustment.  Georgia's average margin of victory for the rest of the regular season Power-5 games after that was almost 20 points.  They resolved to not be unprepared or lackadaisical again.   

[sushihorn 3233]

5 minutes ago, meansonny said:

We drained almost 9 minutes on the clock in the 4th quarter with our backups against Auburn.  The previous drive was 2 carries for 70 yards and a TD by DeAndre Swift.

 

And you are questioning our ability to score 30 unassisted in games where we are up 14 to 17 points in the fourth?

I'm answering your question.  We measure success by getting our backups reps in those games.  We have recruited very well.  But they can't help us if they don't see the field throughout the season.

 

There were 2 games where we didn't enjoy a 2 score lead in the fourth.  LSU and Bama.  Let's just say that we are seeing the fruits of those labors now with no Baker at CB, a questionable Walker at OLB, and questionable Davis at NT.

Let's be specific.  2 TDs late in the 4th Q against Tennessee, including one set up by a RZ fumble.  Mizzou: 63 yd fumble return TD, INT starts the offense goal to go resulting in a FG, blocked punt TD.  Florida: RZ fumble--->TD, fumble at GL--->FG.  UK: 65 yd punt return sets up short field TD.  And of course Georgia didn't hit 30 regardless against Bama, LSU and Auburn.

So is something that's true against everyone in conference save SC and Vandy a pattern or not?  Feel free to point out where I'm wrong.

[Teddy 25]

20 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

Let's be specific.  2 TDs late in the 4th Q against Tennessee, including one set up by a RZ fumble.  Mizzou: 63 yd fumble return TD, INT starts the offense goal to go resulting in a FG, blocked punt TD.  Florida: RZ fumble--->TD, fumble at GL--->FG.  UK: 65 yd punt return sets up short field TD.  And of course Georgia didn't hit 30 regardless against Bama, LSU and Auburn.

So is something that's true against everyone in conference save SC and Vandy a pattern or not?  Feel free to point out where I'm wrong.

Here's how those teams rank in scoring defense; #4 Bama, #30 LSU and #16 Auburn in scoring defense. Just curious, do you consider UT on these teams' level regarding defensive ability? 

Also, LSU was 27 points, and Bama was 28 pts. So, it's interesting you drew the line at 30, is it because it helped get 2 more games in there that support your "theory?" And again, I already referenced the turnovers and special teams previously in this thread, as if they don't count or something? Are defense and special teams not allowed to help you win games and get points? UGA is #11 in scoring in the nation, and #7 in points per play. I know you're trying to educate your fans on UGA, but you don't seem to have a very good grasp on UGA yourself. You sell them short when and wherever possible... Now this doesn't mean that I'm guaranteeing a UGA victory, as that's why they play the games, just so we're clear. I think it should be a good game and may the better team prevail. Cheers 

[So_co 69]

So, back to the original intent of this thread.  I played around with the Pro Football Focus grades that were posted earlier in this thread, and did a little manipulation in excel to sort by Overall Grade for the combined teams.  I took out the more situational players that had not played over around ~200 snaps.  Here's the defensive side of the ball.  (I'll put the offensive side in the other thread)

 

INTERIOR DEFENSIVE LINE
	Player	Overall Grade	Run Defense Snaps	Pass Rush Snaps	Coverage Snaps	Run Defense Grade	Tackling	Pass Rush Grade	Coverage Grade
Jr.	Tyler Clark	83.7	143	183	0	87.8	75.7	68	n/a
Fr.	Jordan Davis (Questionable)	77.9	148	106	0	80	69.4	61.9	n/a
Soph.	Devonte Wyatt	72.3	84	118	0	77.7	71	59.4	n/a
Sr.	Chris Nelson	70.5	282	361	10	81.1	67.5	55.6	51.1
Jr.	Julian Rochester	66.4	201	219	1	65.7	76.1	62.9	60.8
Jr.	Michael Barnett	62.8	125	104	0	66.8	60.9	54.6	n/a
Jr.	Gerald Wilbon	61.1	99	118	2	63.1	48.7	60.1	65.1

 

DEFENSIVE END/EDGE RUSHER
	Player	Overall Grade	Run Defense Snaps	Pass Rush Snaps	Coverage	Run Defense Grade	Tackling	Pass Rush Grade	Coverage Grade
Soph.	Malik Herring	85.6	110	118	0	80.5	83.3	79	n/a
Sr.	Jonathan Ledbetter	82.5	170	224	0	87.2	80.6	67.4	n/a
Sr.	D'Andre Walker	81.9	221	252	36	79.8	75.8	75.7	75.7
Sr.	Charles Omenihu	77.7	210	279	1	77.1	68.4	71	64.9
Fr.	Brenton Cox	74	104	118	11	69.3	83.9	68.9	79.6
Jr.	Malcolm Roach	65.1	122	133	50	79.4	55	57.4	49.7
Sr.	Breckyn Hager	62.5	267	302	36	70.1	52.1	60.9	57.2
Soph.	Ta'Quon Graham	57.7	139	148	3	62.8	48.1	57.7	53.6

 

LINEBACKER
	Player	Overall Grade	Run Defense Snaps	Pass Rush Snaps	Coverage	Run Defense Grade	Tackling	Pass Rush Grade	Coverage Grade
Jr.	Tae Crowder	74.6	173	9	142	60	73.1	78.4	84
Soph.	Monty Rice	73.6	124	18	120	75.9	87	60.6	67.2
Sr.	Gary Johnson	71.3	336	157	334	83.8	90.2	74.9	49.4
Sr.	Juwan Taylor	70.1	184	45	227	68.6	78	65.3	69.2
Soph.	Walter Grant	67.7	140	52	39	73.6	77.5	58	61.8
Jr.	Jeffrey McCulloch	66.7	219	109	152	67.7	63.4	59.8	66.7
Sr.	Anthony Wheeler	64.8	373	112	402	66.6	87	56.4	64.2
Sr.	Natrez Patrick	56.5	182	22	147	66.8	43.1	71.8	41.2

 

CORNERBACK
	Player	Overall Grade	Run Defense Snaps	Pass Rush Snaps	Coverage	Run Defense Grade	Tackling	Pass Rush Grade	Coverage Grade
Sr.	Kris Boyd	80.2	384	9	536	89.8	82.7	76.7	78.5
RS Fr.	Eric Stokes	79.1	143	3	182	68.4	76.7	54.7	81.4
Sr.	Davante Davis	78.6	275	1	397	79.2	70.3	59.6	76.9
Soph.	Mark Webb	73.2	59	3	149	69	87.6	56.1	74.3
Fr.	Tyson Campbell	69.9	229	5	276	77.1	90	55.6	67.5
Jr.	Tyrique McGhee	65.9	196	17	277	85.9	65.2	62	59.8
Sr.	P.J. Locke III	55.3	380	68	473	64.1	50.3	55.1	51.5

 

 

SAFETY
Texas	Player	Overall Grade	Run Defense Snaps	Pass Rush Snaps	Coverage	Run Defense Grade	Tackling	Pass Rush Grade	Coverage Grade
Jr.	J.R. Reed	89.7	331	9	395	71.7	65.8	61.4	90
Soph.	Richard LeCounte III	83.3	311	2	407	74.9	73	57.6	85.7
Fr.	Caden Sterns	73.8	366	10	488	71.7	66.8	54.8	73.8
Fr.	B.J. Foster	67.3	197	85	283	73.7	54.8	74.1	60.4
Jr.	Brandon Jones	58.5	271	13	334	79.8	68.7	75.5	47.1

 

[taybo20 2815]

21 minutes ago, Teddy said:

Here's how those teams rank in scoring defense; #4 Bama, #30 LSU and #16 Auburn in scoring defense. Just curious, do you consider UT on these teams' level regarding defensive ability? 

Also, LSU was 27 points, and Bama was 28 pts. So, it's interesting you drew the line at 30, is it because it helped get 2 more games in there that support your "theory?" And again, I already referenced the turnovers and special teams previously in this thread, as if they don't count or something? Are defense and special teams not allowed to help you win games and get points? UGA is #11 in scoring in the nation, and #7 in points per play. I know you're trying to educate your fans on UGA, but you don't seem to have a very good grasp on UGA yourself. You sell them short when and wherever possible... Now this doesn't mean that I'm guaranteeing a UGA victory, as that's why they play the games, just so we're clear. I think it should be a good game and may the better team prevail. Cheers 

I certainly don’t think defensively we are as good, certainly not up front on the line. And I’m not sure we are as good at LB either. And we are going to have to hope we can score because we will get scored upon. 

Not facing a pure RPO team with mobile QB will help us no doubt. That is where we struggled mostly, though to be fair so did other defenses in our conference. Our plan will be similar to what we have done all year which is spill everything outside and rally fast. We are gonna need to get some turnovers to win, which has been kind of our MO all year.

offensively, I’m interested in seeing if we can attack the middle of the field by getting your LBs guessing. We don’t run great route combos usually, and we run quite a few long developing routes. We also haven’t faced many teams that run pattern match zones. Usually it’s straight zone or man single high. Bracketing LJH or CJ is smart for you guys to do imo. I hope we run more intermediate routes and that we do some pass options off of zone reads which we have. We have to keep your defense honest. Sam will have to make plays with his legs. Qb draws leading to swing passes, and then deep shots and seam passes will kind of be our offense. Kind of what we’ve done all year. 

Basically there isn’t a lot of difference I see in how we play on either side of the ball which is good for us. I’m just not sure in uga leans on the running game what we will look like in the 4th quarter 

[sushihorn 3233]

35 minutes ago, Teddy said:

Here's how those teams rank in scoring defense; #4 Bama, #30 LSU and #16 Auburn in scoring defense. Just curious, do you consider UT on these teams' level regarding defensive ability? 

Also, LSU was 27 points, and Bama was 28 pts. So, it's interesting you drew the line at 30, is it because it helped get 2 more games in there that support your "theory?" And again, I already referenced the turnovers and special teams previously in this thread, as if they don't count or something? Are defense and special teams not allowed to help you win games and get points? UGA is #11 in scoring in the nation, and #7 in points per play. I know you're trying to educate your fans on UGA, but you don't seem to have a very good grasp on UGA yourself. You sell them short when and wherever possible... Now this doesn't mean that I'm guaranteeing a UGA victory, as that's why they play the games, just so we're clear. I think it should be a good game and may the better team prevail. Cheers 

You're experiencing cognitive dissonance because most of the coverage is following ESPN in unfailing praise of Georgia.  I'm pointing out some of their flaws which only looks jarring against a background of uninterrupted congratulations.

[sushihorn 3233]

Also the SEC has a bunch of really bad offenses, compounded by the fact that they schedule so many absolute cupcakes in non-conf that the stats are badly skewed.

Take Georgia's rushing.  6.1 YPC overall.  5.6 YPC when you discount Austin Peay, Middle TN and UMass. 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

On 12/17/2018 at 4:39 PM, Teddy said:

Since most comments have been on UT’s offense vs. UGA’s defense... How do you guys think your defense will matchup against UGA’s offense? I’ve seen a few UT games, so don’t know a lot about your defense and playmakers. 

UGA’s offense is fairly “simple” pro-style. 60/40 run/pass. Goal is to grind your front 7 into submission on the ground. If you have depth on the front 7, you should be able to slow them down. UGA will take shots in the passing game to keep the defense honest. Fromm can throw for 300 if you sellout on the run, and is accurate and efficient. There’s a handful of good receivers and tight end, but no one with gaudy numbers, due to the run first philosophy and Fromm spreading the ball around. 

New thread alert

[sushihorn 3233]

One major reason to discount turnovers in this game is that both Texas and Georgia really take good care of the ball and have some of the fewest TOs in the country at 11 total TOs in 13 games and 12 TOs respectively.

[So_co 69]

35 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

Also the SEC has a bunch of really bad offenses, compounded by the fact that they schedule so many absolute cupcakes in non-conf that the stats are badly skewed.

Take Georgia's rushing.  6.1 YPC overall.  5.6 YPC when you discount Austin Peay, Middle TN and UMass. 

Here's a better way to look at it.  

D'Andre Swift conference games only averaged 6.90 yards per carry

Elijah Holyfield conference games only averaged 5.91 yards per carry

 

These numbers mean more because they cut out the weaker games as you noted, but also only include carries where the game was on the line and not when the third, fourth, and fifth stringers were salting away the game.  

[taybo20 2815]

5 hours ago, sushihorn said:

More's the pity.  There are several other guys who can play space eating run-stopper if that's what Orlando feels he needs.  Coburn, Ojomo, Christmas-Giles all have some game experience.  But Ta'quon Graham would be my bet.  He got a lot of snaps in a couple of games and he's got the size (6'4" 285 lbs) and quickness to make plays not just soak up blocks.  We might also see some plays with Wilbon and Nellie on the field at the same time.

I don’t think we really have many “space eating run stoppers”. We have gone heavy front before with Nellie and CG or Wilbon or Chisholm with Omenihu in effort to stop inside runs. We did it in the Big 12 CCG. Thing is Cobourn and Ojomo will play as will Graham, not necessarily because we need what you say we need. Additionally when they have played they haven’t necessarily been impressive and OLs have leaned and pushed them pretty hard. We will need to hope that they play with good leverage. All I have to do is look at Oklahoma State. Roach is gonna be the key guy imo. I expect a lot of gap shooting and disruption of blocking assignments tho. So more “block eating run disrupters”

[Sgt Hulk 13648]

2 things worry me.  Hager getting destroyed on the regular like last game. and possibly revisiting this thread Wednesday morning.