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Texas District Court Strikes Down the Entire Affordable Care Act


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  On 12/15/2018 at 1:54 PM, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Despite Dems soliciting and incorporating 161 GOP amendments into the ACA (only to hear Pubs lie through their faces about it being railroaded through) in a futile effort to secure a single GOP vote, despite the Public Option being removed by the champions of competition, despite the final version more closely resembling Romneycare/1993 Republican counterproposal to the Clinton Universal Healthcare Initiative than anything the Dems had previously proposed, despite the courts ruling states could opt out of Medicare expansion, despite Pubs intentionally roiling the markets with uncertainty beating the repeal wardrums, despite a Republican Congress being found in violation of the law by defunding risk corridors designed to foster competition, and despite Pubs effectively cancelling what was originally their own fucking idea, the individual mandate, the ACA STILL

 

AMAZINGLY

 

ALMOST MIRACULOUSLY

 

- insured millions of more Americans than previosly covered

- slowed the rate of healthcare cost growth (even more so in states that expanded Medicare)

-slashed medical bankruptcies in goddamn half

 

By almost any meaningful metric that measures the common good, the ACA, despite its flaws and Republican sabotage, still improved a shitty situation.

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Hilarious talking points.  Fuck the Republicans

No, really, fuck 'em.

That said, your forced catastrophic, rediculously expensive "insurance" is ass my man.

 

But, hey, Rah Rah MY TEAM!!!

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  On 12/15/2018 at 1:54 PM, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Despite Dems soliciting and incorporating 161 GOP amendments into the ACA (only to hear Pubs lie through their faces about it being railroaded through) in a futile effort to secure a single GOP vote, despite the Public Option being removed by the champions of competition, despite the final version more closely resembling Romneycare/1993 Republican counterproposal to the Clinton Universal Healthcare Initiative than anything the Dems had previously proposed, despite the courts ruling states could opt out of Medicare expansion, despite Pubs intentionally roiling the markets with uncertainty beating the repeal wardrums, despite a Republican Congress being found in violation of the law by defunding risk corridors designed to foster competition, and despite Pubs effectively cancelling what was originally their own fucking idea, the individual mandate, the ACA STILL

 

AMAZINGLY

 

ALMOST MIRACULOUSLY

 

- insured millions of more Americans than previosly covered

- slowed the rate of healthcare cost growth (even more so in states that expanded Medicare)

-slashed medical bankruptcies in goddamn half

 

By almost any meaningful metric that measures the common good, the ACA, despite its flaws and Republican sabotage, still improved a shitty situation.

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  On 12/15/2018 at 4:49 PM, Cajun said:

Hilarious talking points.  Fuck the Republicans

No, really, fuck 'em.

That said, your forced catastrophic, rediculously expensive "insurance" is ass my man.

 

But, hey, Rah Rah MY TEAM!!!

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Yeah, I wouldn't bother an attempt to refute any of my assertons if I were you either.

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  On 12/15/2018 at 4:49 PM, Cajun said:

Hilarious talking points.  Fuck the Republicans

No, really, fuck 'em.

That said, your forced catastrophic, rediculously expensive "insurance" is ass my man.

 

But, hey, Rah Rah MY TEAM!!!

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That's why most people on the left favor a national, single payer system. You know, Medicare for all.

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  On 12/15/2018 at 6:21 PM, David Dennison said:

When it gets reversed by the 5th Circuit, there will be no reason for the Supreme Court to grant cert. 

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I hope you're right, but you have a lot more faith in the 5th Circuit than I do.

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  On 12/15/2018 at 6:30 PM, Keef said:

I hope you're right, but you have a lot more faith in the 5th Circuit than I do.

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Even if this gets upheld by the Supreme Court and the ACA is thrown out, healthcare in this country is moving left. Doing away with the ACA will only hasten the nationalization of America's healthcare system. Eliminating the 65 and over requirement for Medicare is going to happen some day. It will happen sooner if the ACA and its protections are removed.

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  On 12/15/2018 at 6:30 PM, Keef said:

I hope you're right, but you have a lot more faith in the 5th Circuit than I do.

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A petition that an appeal be heard initially en banc must be filed by the date when the appellee’s brief is due. I assume that appellants will request an en banc hearing from the outset.
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  On 12/15/2018 at 5:02 PM, Cajun said:
I wouldn't want to disrupt your safe space little fella.
 


Great example of resorting to an idiotic buzzword when it doesn’t apply. He is asking you to address his argument and all you can do his hide behind talk radio rhetoric...because you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.
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  On 12/15/2018 at 3:34 PM, Keef said:

 

Roberts ducked this question entirely by finding it was valid as a tax. He did not address the commerce clause issue, which was intentional. 

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He did address it.  He said it wasn't a valid exercise of Congress's commerce power. That's why he had to give it the "saving construction" under Congress's taxing power.

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  On 12/15/2018 at 7:41 PM, Publiushorn said:

He did address it.  He said it wasn't a valid exercise of Congress's commerce power. That's why he had to give it the "saving construction" under Congress's taxing power.

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This is precisely why the next healthcare bill passed by Congress will be an expansion of Medicare.

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  On 12/15/2018 at 3:40 PM, Smax said:

 

only car owners are required to have car insurance, so you can "opt out"

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No shit?  If opt out of car ownership/operation, of COURSE that’s OK, because my choices eliminate the possibility of harming others in that way.  No need to manage that risk anymore.

Health care is different because you can not opt out of getting really sick or injured.

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  On 12/15/2018 at 8:42 PM, scottsins said:

No shit?  If opt out of car ownership/operation, of COURSE that’s OK, because my choices eliminate the possibility of harming others in that way.  No need to manage that risk anymore.

Health care is different because you can not opt out of getting really sick or injured.

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Or getting old. Some people have no understanding of why Medicare exists in the first place.

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  On 12/15/2018 at 8:42 PM, scottsins said:

No shit?  If opt out of car ownership/operation, of COURSE that’s OK, because my choices eliminate the possibility of harming others in that way.  No need to manage that risk anymore.

Health care is different because you can not opt out of getting really sick or injured.

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settle down counselor, i was just answering a question 

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  On 12/15/2018 at 3:37 AM, David Dennison said:

Does this include you? Or do you favor legislating from the bench now?

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No. I do not support activist judges regardless of the issues. I try to put principle over politics, and I think the foundations of our government are more important than any single issue. Much more worried about the war than a particular battle.

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  On 12/15/2018 at 10:56 PM, Kyle said:

No. I do not support activist judges regardless of the issues. I try to put principle over politics, and I think the foundations of our government are more important than any single issue. Much more worried about the war than a particular battle.

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What is your definition of an activist judge? Frankly, I dont know what it means. If the judge thinks the law requires a certain ruling, the judge should issue that ruling regardless of politicL consequences. I personally dont see this ruling to be a result of an "activist" judge. 

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  On 12/15/2018 at 11:21 PM, Dahobbs said:

What is your definition of an activist judge? Frankly, I dont know what it means. If the judge thinks the law requires a certain ruling, the judge should issue that ruling regardless of politicL consequences. I personally dont see this ruling to be a result of an "activist" judge. 

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That's a really great question and one that likely deserves another thread. I don't have some great, well formed master thesis, and I agree "activist judge" is a loaded term. Much like pornography, I know it when I see it. Simply put, I generally in favor of Congress or legislatures (the voice of the people) making laws and the judiciary interpreting those in disputes between two private parties. I think lower courts have over-stepped by making sweeping rulings that effective legislate and undermine the will of the people. Again, I am no Constitutional scholar, but I think putting so much power in un-elected individuals is undermines democracy.

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  On 12/15/2018 at 11:05 PM, David Dennison said:
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So, just to be clear, you do not think there were / are problems with the VA? And this is based on a three-year-poll of 5,818 veterans of which 78% were "satisfied" with their coverage, which could be explained by its cost? Dots are starting to connect.

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  On 12/15/2018 at 11:30 PM, Kyle said:

So, just to be clear, you do not think there were / are problems with the VA? And this is based on a three-year-poll of 5,818 veterans of which 78% were "satisfied" with their coverage, which could be explained by its cost? Dots are starting to connect.

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Of course there are problems with the VA. Just like there are problems with private health insurance companies. 

It's also very popular with those who use its services, just like Medicare. More popular, in fact, than private health insurance.

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  On 12/15/2018 at 11:42 PM, David Dennison said:

Of course there are problems with the VA. Just like there are problems with private health insurance companies. 

It's also very popular with those who use its services, just like Medicare. More popular, in fact, than private health insurance.

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Color me shocked that people like free stuff.

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  On 12/16/2018 at 12:19 AM, Kyle said:

While technically correct that taxpayers pay for it, it is not a single-administered system, which most "single-payer" systems tend to be.

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It's a hybrid if you want to knit pick, but Medicare is a single payer system of healthcare. 

 

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  On 12/16/2018 at 12:21 AM, David Dennison said:

It's a hybrid if you want to knit pick, but Medicare is a single payer system of healthcare. 

 

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I'm not nitpicking, but I assume (maybe incorrectly) that when people use the term "single-payer" they mean a single-payer, centrally administered, taxpayer-funded health care system like in Canada or European countries. That is not how Medicare works. And it as actually not single payer as 50% of Americans pay for it. :) That is nit-picking. Many snowflakes forget that.

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  On 12/16/2018 at 12:23 AM, Kyle said:

I'm not nitpicking, but I assume (maybe incorrectly) that when people use the term "single-payer" they mean a single-payer, centrally administered, taxpayer-funded health care system like in Canada or European countries. That is not how Medicare works. And it as actually not single payer as 50% of Americans pay for it. :) That is nit-picking.

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That is exactly how Medicare works.



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