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17 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

So are there any more polls coming, or are we all just sitting here holding our junk until Tuesday night? 

This race has been stable for 6 months. If you don’t already have a fully formed opinion on what’s going to happen you just aren’t trying or paying attention. All we do now is wait to see whose right. 

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20 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

So are there any more polls coming, or are we all just sitting here holding our junk until Tuesday night? 

We're arguing about airports and Houston, get with the program.

@SydneyCarton I actually like Houston and would take it in the Dallas vs. Houston slapfight. But I like most cities. And it's nowhere near the caliber of Chicago or NYC or Boston. It's never going to get there simply because of the sprawl and the lack of history. Fundamentally it will never be of the caliber of those cities.

However if we're talking modern sprawling megalopolis urban hellscape cities, it would be near the top. Certainly better than Dallas, anything in Florida, anything in the midwest (Chicago excluded), anything in Ohio or Michigan, and any of the big southeastern cities, NOLA excluded (too small for this debate).

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4 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

We're arguing about airports and Houston, get with the program.

@SydneyCarton I actually like Houston and would take it in the Dallas vs. Houston slapfight. But I like most cities. And it's nowhere near the caliber of Chicago or NYC or Boston. It's never going to get there simply because of the sprawl and the lack of history. Fundamentally it will never be of the caliber of those cities.

However if we're talking modern sprawling megalopolis urban hellscape cities, it would be near the top. Certainly better than Dallas, anything in Florida, anything in the midwest (Chicago excluded), anything in Ohio or Michigan, and any of the big southeastern cities, NOLA excluded (too small for this debate).

hey man, I just said it had culture equal with Atlanta. I haven't been to Atlanta. But I'd bet heavy it actually has a lot MORE culture than Atlanta. Doesn't make it a good place to visit, however. 

My question with the initial post was really more of a "what constitutes a mega city." Because I mean, Miami and San Francisco are not all that big. Fuck, they're substantially smaller than fucking Austin. 

 

4 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

The raw truth about Houston is it has enormous culture/food things to offer, but it’s not a city that gives up its charms easily, like DC. You really need a local to guide you to know/find all the good shit. 

Pretty fair and accurate. 

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9 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

This race has been stable for 6 months. If you don’t already have a fully formed opinion on what’s going to happen you just aren’t trying or paying attention. All we do now is wait to see whose right. 

What race? This is the senate thread, and last I checked there's more than one race. 

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12 hours ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Finally GOLL is 100% right about ORD. There is no worse airport in the US to be stuck for long periods unless you flew in via international first class on United, then the Polaris lounge is top fucking notch. There is not one other single redeeming quality to that shitshow of an airport. 

ORD is the closest to getting run through a MEPS station that I have ever experienced outside of getting yanked off a cocaine-filled Greyhound at the border.

And I know MEPS station is redundant. Cry me a big Rio Grande river.

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So "Coach" has hired an actual smack-talking writer, finally.

(They call Tuberville "Coach", because he used to be a coach, and yes he also used to be Front Man for Con Artists, but "Coach" is shorter.)

Today I learned from Coach's ad that I am a Desperate Doug Socialist Supporter.  That's not bad. Shows more fight than he had when Saban processed him.

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3 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

My bad. Former governor, former DoE head, Rick. I don't have the same background knowledge of your teams I'm afraid.

Negged for not knowing Ricky.  Next you'll tell us you don't know Earl either.  

 

2 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

Yeah--that was the five-hour layover in February of which we are speaking.  Fucking horrible.

The worst is the fact that as you sit by the Publican Tavern watching people walk by, absolutely none of them are in any way attractive.  None.  At DAL, DFW, IAH, HOU, AUS, hell--even fucking SAT, you're guaranteed to see some attractive people walking by.  In three hours at the Publican Tavern watching people stream between the H and K concourses, we saw not a single one.

Fucking depressing.

Ummmmm, ok.  I mean, that's a take.  It's a bad take.  But it's a take.

New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Houston are all better cities.  I don't know what you're characterizing as a "mega city," but Miami and Atlanta are also better.

Hmm, I guess we've never been at ORD at the same time, or at least I've never walked by the Publican Tavern.  

Also, whoever called the the Atlanta airport shitty is doing it wrong.  That airport is fantastic, you just have to know where to go.  IAD is pretty fucking terrible too, but I hate ORD the most.  

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1 hour ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

What race? This is the senate thread, and last I checked there's more than one race. 

In the last 20 years or so I think the person who won the senate is the same person who won the White House like some crazy rodent of the time- with 2016 culminating in 33 for 33 senate equaling the presidency. 
I would put the over under at 31.5 and bet over for this year with senate races matching presidential races in those states. For all practical purposes there is only one thing driving these Senate races and that’s trump. Candidates matter very very little, and are likely to flip a race only at the margins in razor close states. Montana is maybe an exception. But I’d bet that NC, Maine, CO, AZ, AL, and IA are the most likely states to flip, and those will only fill in NC and IA if the presidential race flips. 
Maybe Biden beats trump by half a point in NC and Cal Cunningham runs 2 points behind Biden bc of the scandal (pick a scandal- barbecue dweebyness or sexting) so that race splits. But yeah- it’s all turnout and whose winning those swing states. Nothing else is in play other than maybe MT, AK or SC but I’m betting against on those. 

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10 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

ATL is just big and banal. 
 

I think @Wulaw Horn is probably right about the Senate and the Presidency.  I’d say in AZ, McSally seems to be disliked by the electorate in a way that is separate from Trump.  

Yep. TRump will run ahead of her there but not enough to matter. Both races will go blue. There’s really only one race now. Life changes- everything is now nationalized. 

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45 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

ATL is just big and banal. 
 

I think @Wulaw Horn is probably right about the Senate and the Presidency.  I’d say in AZ, McSally seems to be disliked by the electorate in a way that is separate from Trump.  

Ducey appointing her to McCain's seat right after the voters had just rejected her might have something to do with it. Speaking of Ducey, I believe he's term limited now and can't run again once his term is up. Is he popular enough to run against Sinema in 2024 (or will he be one of the 48 candidates for the R presidential nomination instead?)

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22 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Ducey appointing her to McCain's seat right after the voters had just rejected her might have something to do with it. Speaking of Ducey, I believe he's term limited now and can't run again once his term is up. Is he popular enough to run against Sinema in 2024 (or will he be one of the 48 candidates for the R presidential nomination instead?)

Senate in 2024. He’s probably the GOP’s last shit at winning a national state wide race there. 
Sinema is playing it really smart to forestall that challenge near as I can tell. She’s coming across as very moderate. She’s one  (like macnhin) who will really suffer if it’s a 50/50 Senate split. 

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4 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I love houston. I’m glad I live here and not Chicago. If I didn’t live here I can’t conceive of one reason I’d ever go to houston as a guest/visitor. 
it’s a minority take. I’d love to hear him make the argument for Houston- better city than Chicago. 

Sydney lays out the merits of Houston pretty well below:

3 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

If you think Houston lacks culture, you're absolutely doing it wrong. Folks don't want to visit, somewhat justifiably, because the weather sucks and there's no public transportation worth a shit. But lets not pretend that Houston doesn't have one of the top artistic centers in not just the country, but the world. It has a renown Symphony, Ballet, multiple theater companiesof renown both large and small, and an impressive museum district. It has world class food, a wonderfully unique latin culture in areas, a well as the largest Vietnamese population in the US. I'll cut it off right there, but just because some folks don't like to participate in those things, doesn't mean they don't exist. So tell me more about the culture that Atlanta has, but Houston lacks, please. 

I'm about to punish every one you motherfuckers by turning this shitshow up to 11 and making this a Houston vs. Dallas vs. Everyone Else thread. That's what's going on here. 

 

Fuck you people. 

Houston has top-notch food from around the world; Chicago has food from Indiana, Illinois, and Wisconsin.  I mean, seriously--Chicago is just not a great food city.

It's a good arts city.  But it's not significantly better than Houston.  

Traffic is better in Houston.  The weather is better in Houston (of course, I say this as a guy who hates snow).  The women in Houston are vastly more attractive (as are the men).  The economy in Houston is more diverse, and the job market is better.  There's a reason the Chicago metropolitan area has lost population over the last decade.

Chicago has better universities.  That's certainly true.  I think its public schools are slightly worse.  It has more crime, but the crime it has is more focused in certain neighborhoods.

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Over 3.8 million have voted in NC and Democrats still lead by 7.4% in ballots submitted. There are over a million who did not vote in 2016. With close to 70% of the vote in it is very unlikely that Republicans can win any statewide race there. 

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There have been a couple of really bad polls for Trump and Perdue in Georgia over the past couple days.  They could be outliers that happen to come in at the same time.  Or they could reflect a general collapse of Republican support in that state.  

I really don't know which.  But I can't think that debate performance is going to help.

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This Ossoff dude is awesome.  Surprised I haven't seen the surly liberal cabal announce their $1.5MM in collective donations to his campaign.

Didn’t he run in a special election in Georgia for either the HoR or Senate soon after Trump won? Against some crazy lady? I think it was the first of those special elections held to replace folks that took a cabinet position. Tons of out of state money poured in and he had only lived in Georgia a few years if I remember right. He lost but didn’t get killed, I think.

SO much has happened in the last four years and the national electorate has been introduced to so many “new” and impressive Democrats that it’s hard to remember them all.
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Just now, Bama Chick said:


Didn’t he run in a special election in Georgia for either the HoR or Senate soon after Trump won? Against some crazy lady? I think it was the first of those special elections held to replace folks that took a cabinet position. Tons of out of state money poured in and he had only lived in Georgia a few years if I remember right. He lost but didn’t get killed, I think.

SO much has happened in the last four years and the national electorate has been introduced to so many “new” and impressive Democrats that it’s hard to remember them all.

You're exactly right.  Special election in the Georgia 6th.  Ultimately won by Karen Handel.

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