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Do people in Georgia know that the two U.S. Senators from Georgia don't pass Georgia gun laws from D.C., right?

Also NSIAP---if Democrats take both seats in Georgia, however unlikely, wouldn't McConnell still be majority leader because technically Sanders and King aren't Democrats? For caucus and most votes, it would be 50-50, but for Majority/Minority (and therefore committee chairmanships), wouldn't it really be 50-48-2?  

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23 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Do people in Georgia know that the two U.S. Senators from Georgia don't pass Georgia gun laws from D.C., right?

Also NSIAP---if Democrats take both seats in Georgia, however unlikely, wouldn't McConnell still be majority leader because technically Sanders and King aren't Democrats? For caucus and most votes, it would be 50-50, but for Majority/Minority (and therefore committee chairmanships), wouldn't it really be 50-48-2?  

Sanders and king are free to vote for Schumer as majority leader. Or they can vote for anyone.

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While there is little love lost between Sanders and Schumer, I'm sure both Independents will go for Schumer.  So now you're at 50-50 tie, you can have co-majority leader, it's just a title.  But when it comes to committee chairmanships and legislation scheduling, that's gonna be a shitshow with a tie.  I don't think the President of the Senate (Kamala Harris) gets to vote on Majority/Minority Leadership, do they?  The official Senate rules say it's voted by on all seated members of either the Democratic Caucus or the Republican Leadership, VP Harris is in neither of those.  She can obviously cast on any floor votes in the event of a tie, but those leadership contests aren't considered constitutional floor votes.  

Obviously important too for anyone who might ascend to Breyer's seat on the bench and be confirmed by the Senate (who'd better take a fucking hint and not just assume a Democrat will still be in the White House in 2025).  

Anyway, FWIW---I think Georgia elects one Democrat and one Republican for Senate.  It's the kind of interesting trivia that Georgia loves, "Did you know Georgia is the biggest state East of the Mississippi" /says every Georgian I ever meet after I tell them I'm from Texas.  And if both Democrats win, America will get to watch their coin toss to see who gets to be the Senior Senator and who has to be Junior Senator.  It's not just a title, but confers a great deal of committee prioritization and the all-important office location (kind of important during a Pandemic).  

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You guys are overthinking this. The VP will break the tie in case of a 50-50 senate including naming the majority leader.

if GA sends 2 Dems to the senate, pence would break the tie, meaning McConnell holds on to the senate for a short time in 2021. Then Harris breaks the tie back to the Dems on Jan 21.

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I am guilty of over-thinking a lot of things, but the VP when acting as President of the Senate, according to Senate Rules cannot vote on their leadership contests.  

There is no record of a VP, as President of the Senate, ever breaking a tie on Senate leadership (Majority, Minority, or Otherwise).  I don't think they are allowed to under current Senate rules.  And right now, it's still McConnell's ball...so I doubt he passes an intra-Senate rule that says anything otherwise.  Since the new Congress will be seated between the Georgia elections and the time the new VP takes office.  I dunno, murky water.s 

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2 hours ago, Lobo said:

Anyway, FWIW---I think Georgia elects one Democrat and one Republican for Senate.  It's the kind of interesting trivia that Georgia loves, "Did you know Georgia is the biggest state East of the Mississippi" /says every Georgian I ever meet after I tell them I'm from Texas.

I had never heard that, but I guess it's true since Virginia went amoeba in the 1860s. There are some Alabama counties that are older than the state of Alabama, because they started out as Georgia counties when Georgia claimed land farther west, I think even to the Pacific, in theory.

The Georgia things I remember from when I spent the most time there (80s) were naming every street, avenue, and alley "Peachtree," and slapping "Native Georgian" stickers on their Fiat X1/9s.

As an actual Native Georgian (who hitchhiked out of state at age 3) I was less than impressed with those stickers. I don't remember putting any effort at all into achieving that status.

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48 minutes ago, Lobo said:

I am guilty of over-thinking a lot of things, but the VP when acting as President of the Senate, according to Senate Rules cannot vote on their leadership contests.  

There is no record of a VP, as President of the Senate, ever breaking a tie on Senate leadership (Majority, Minority, or Otherwise).  I don't think they are allowed to under current Senate rules.  And right now, it's still McConnell's ball...so I doubt he passes an intra-Senate rule that says anything otherwise.  Since the new Congress will be seated between the Georgia elections and the time the new VP takes office.  I dunno, murky water.s 

It will most likely be a power sharing agreement, but we really have no precedent.  It has only happened 3 times - 1881, 1953 and 2001.

  • 1881 - both NY Republican Senators resigned in protest and 2 Democrats replaced them (the Republicans thought they'd get reappointed, since this was pre 17th amendment), which gave Democrats the majority. However, Republicans kept control of committees. 
  • 1953 - 48 GOP, 47 Dems + 1 indie - but 9 Senators died over the course of 1953/54 and Republicans maintained "majority party" status the whole time as it flipped back and forth. (12 changes to majority party during this time)
  • 2001 - see below. Jim Jeffords flipped from R to I and gave control to the Democrats
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A similarly divided Senate arrived in 2001. Republicans had the majority before and presumed they would keep control in the new Congress despite the 50-50 makeup. That didn’t sit well with Daschle and other Democrats. Through weeks of negotiations, Daschle forged a power-sharing agreement with Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., Democrats demanded and received equal status on committees. And after the Florida election recount, it was clear that Vice President Dick Cheney would be available to break ties. The other part of the deal maintained Lott as majority leader -- but gave some power to Daschle. As the minority leader, Daschle could call up legislation to the floor the same as Lott.

Likely Democrats controlling committees but giving Republicans some concessions, like being able to call up legislation to the floor. 

History says in a 50/50 tie, someone is dying, resigning, being appointed to the Cabinet and replaced by an opposite party member or switching sides. 

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Okay ^^^ --------lotta thoughts on that and how a 50/50 deal might go as far as committees-because the real prize here is who controls the Senate from 2021-2023 because if it looks "D"---then Breyer can retire and get his replacement confirmed.  If it's looking "R"---then he'll try to wait it out until Year 3 of Biden presidency and Class III looks to maybe be a hint more vulnerable for Republicans (but again that's based on what happens now in Georgia since one of those seats will already be up again...and PA & NC being in real flux...especially PA).  

But I have to go back to RDcanecutter saying he hitchhiked his way out of Georgia at age 3?  What the fuck kinda "Smokey & the Bandit" prequel kinda shit is that all about?  I wanna hear that story.  

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2 minutes ago, Lobo said:

But I have to go back to RDcanecutter saying he hitchhiked his way out of Georgia at age 3?  What the fuck kinda "Smokey & the Bandit" prequel kinda shit is that all about?  I wanna hear that story.  

Not much to tell. Two nice people gave me a ride west. Claimed to be my parents. I didn't see any paperwork or ID at the time. Years later I saw a "birth certificate" with their names on it, so who knows.

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24 minutes ago, Js1 said:

It will most likely be a power sharing agreement, but we really have no precedent.  It has only happened 3 times - 1881, 1953 and 2001.

  • 1881 - both NY Republican Senators resigned in protest and 2 Democrats replaced them (the Republicans thought they'd get reappointed, since this was pre 17th amendment), which gave Democrats the majority. However, Republicans kept control of committees. 
  • 1953 - 48 GOP, 47 Dems + 1 indie - but 9 Senators died over the course of 1953/54 and Republicans maintained "majority party" status the whole time as it flipped back and forth. (12 changes to majority party during this time)
  • 2001 - see below. Jim Jeffords flipped from R to I and gave control to the Democrats

Likely Democrats controlling committees but giving Republicans some concessions, like being able to call up legislation to the floor. 

History says in a 50/50 tie, someone is dying, resigning, being appointed to the Cabinet and replaced by an opposite party member or switching sides. 

Manchin will finally flip R. 

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Manchin will finally flip R. 

He already came out and said that was, to quote the President-Elect, a bunch of malarkey.  Said he is a proud Democrat. 

If he didn't flip before his last election, he isn't doing it during his (probably) last term in the Senate.

Interesting to note -

Alaska passed the "tundra primary" ballot measure, which replaces party primaries in the state to a jungle primary (top 4 advance) and ranked choice voting in the general election.  Lisa Murkowski, who is basically her own brand, could flip to independent, run as an independent in the jungle primary and win on the back of 2nd choices (believe you me, Democrats would either vote for her or mark her as 2nd choice if the other option is Sarah Palin).

In 2010, she won with 39.5% over a Republican (33.5%) and a Democrat (23.5%).  All she'd need to do is be the 2nd choice of all the Democrats.  I mean, what would Republicans put as their second choice? Probably Murkowski.  

If she didn't win outright, she'd win in a second round. 

Schumer can play ball too.  Offer to let her keep her chair of Energy/Natural Resources. 

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lol please do
 
 

This....is actually a damned fine opportunity. We should absolutely create fake accounts of “Georgia conservatives” on Parler and explain how the only patriotic thing to do is boycott the election, or write in trump. And say that when the Trump admin sees that, they’ll know that the election was rigged, and they’ll release the kraken, and trump AND not GOP senate candidates will win.

All we gotta do is turn a few thousand gullible, dumbass fucking Trumpers from voting.
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11 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


This....is actually a damned fine opportunity. We should absolutely create fake accounts of “Georgia conservatives” on Parler and explain how the only patriotic thing to do is boycott the election, or write in trump. And say that when the Trump admin sees that, they’ll know that the election was rigged, and they’ll release the kraken, and trump AND not GOP senate candidates will win.

All we gotta do is turn a few thousand gullible, dumbass fucking Trumpers from voting.

A “write in trump for the Georgia senate!” campaign is genius! Why didn’t I think of that? 

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"The only thing we true Georgia Trump Conservatives can do to show that this campaign was stolen from our President is to write in his name for Georgia Senate.  When the votes are tabulated and it shows our hundreds of thousands of votes for Trump, who isn't even running for Georgia Senate, it'll prove the machines are flawed and rigged by the Democrats!  It's the best way to show the world and the media that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump!  Join me in writing in Donald J. Trump for Georgia Senate.  It'll prove what we've known all along about these machines!"  

Voice of reason poster on any of their message boards:  "Yeah, we know the machines was rigged.  But if we write in Trump...that'll take away key votes from Perdue and Loeffler for Senate.  We gotta assume the machines are on the up and up this time around and vote with our loyalty!"

Pretend Trumpers:  "That's just what somebody getting money from Dominion and Venezuela would say!  Let's own the libs, vote Trump again so we get the Senate and put him back in the White House!"  

We all know a carefully crafted digital media strategy like that could at least sway 50,000 Trump voters in Georgia.  Jesus, is it really this easy to manipulate people?  This changes everything I ever knew about making money.  

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3 minutes ago, Lobo said:

"The only thing we true Georgia Trump Conservatives can do to show that this campaign was stolen from our President is to write in his name for Georgia Senate.  When the votes are tabulated and it shows our hundreds of thousands of votes for Trump, who isn't even running for Georgia Senate, it'll prove the machines are flawed and rigged by the Democrats!  It's the best way to show the world and the media that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump!  Join me in writing in Donald J. Trump for Georgia Senate.  It'll prove what we've known all along about these machines!"  

Voice of reason poster on any of their message boards:  "Yeah, we know the machines was rigged.  But if we write in Trump...that'll take away key votes from Perdue and Loeffler for Senate.  We gotta assume the machines are on the up and up this time around and vote with our loyalty!"

Pretend Trumpers:  "That's just what somebody getting money from Dominion and Venezuela would say!  Let's own the libs, vote Trump again so we get the Senate and put him back in the White House!"  

We all know a carefully crafted digital media strategy like that could at least sway 50,000 Trump voters in Georgia.  Jesus, is it really this easy to manipulate people?  This changes everything I ever knew about making money.  

Yep. And if you vote for trump for the Georgia senate not only do you get a free trumpy bear but one year insurance coverage for Antifa crimes against you. 

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Donald trump is the only thing standing between us and a liberal takeover of the senate with abortions and murdered babies for all, and guns for none. We must write in Donald trump to be the senator of Georgia or all hope is lost. In fact he needs to be both senators.
 

Spread the good word. 

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On 11/21/2020 at 11:35 PM, High Plains Drifter said:

 

lol please do

 

 


This is genius.  I just signed up for a Parler account.  I'm taking my outrage over Trump's stolen election out on the Georgia electoral process by urging all of my fellow parler peeps to write in Trump's name in place of Loeffler's and Perdue's. 

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Roger Stone tied group threatens GOP: If Trump goes down, so does your Senate majority

 

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If we can do this, we have a real chance at getting these RINO senators to act on the illegitimate and corrupt election presided over by a Democrat party that is invested in the Communist takeover of Our Great Nation,” the group wrote on its new website, writeintrumpforgeorgiasenate.com. “We will not stop fighting for you, the American Patriot, against the evils of Socialism and inferior Religions.”

 

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On 11/22/2020 at 12:12 PM, JimmyJames said:

A “write in trump for the Georgia senate!” campaign is genius! Why didn’t I think of that? 

 

1 hour ago, StassneyHorn said:

They’re runoffs, so I don’t believe there is a write in option. Once this happens, everyone needs to start a second #walkaway movement but on Parler to go along with #Trumpaswritein.

Yep. I just got my ballot today. There are three runoff races (2 senate and 1 public service commissioner that was moved to this runoff rather than a separate runoff). There are no write-in spots. I guess someone could write Trump in bigly letters all over the ballot though. 
 

A write-in doesn’t make sense in a runoff where one candidate has to reach 50% + 1 to win.
 

This seems like a deep state/lizard people plot.

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They seem to be fishing around for ways to keep folks riled up (= more $) but this particular event is puzzling. I can't quite tell if Roger is losing his touch or there is some angle that is so obvious (besides money, that is the number one angle). Power is everything to Trump, so is this a shot to say 'these are my people and they bow before me, you guys are my capos and you better kiss the ring or you lose everything."

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I really need Soros to push the big tech libtards to wedge the Republican voters on this in Georgia. 
 

Is there a way to write a burner Twitter account to auto reply to every Trump tweet with “Vote Trump in the GA runoff! Make him more powerful than ever!” McConnell sold him out.” All it would take is one retweet from Trump basking in his own farts to make this shit happen.

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On 11/21/2020 at 11:44 PM, Brisketexan said:


This....is actually a damned fine opportunity. We should absolutely create fake accounts of “Georgia conservatives” on Parler and explain how the only patriotic thing to do is boycott the election, or write in trump. And say that when the Trump admin sees that, they’ll know that the election was rigged, and they’ll release the kraken, and trump AND not GOP senate candidates will win.

All we gotta do is turn a few thousand gullible, dumbass fucking Trumpers from voting.

I’m gonna give all the credit to brisket for this. 

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27 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

 

21 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

This is the best strategic idea the left has had in years.

The opponent's base is morons. USE THAT INFORMATION. EXPLOIT IT.

And I thought Democrats were morally opposed to suppressing turnout.  Pure as the newly driven snow and all that.

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And I thought Democrats were morally opposed to suppressing turnout.  Pure as the newly driven snow and all that.

I'm a Dem and I'm fine with getting people to stay home on election day because they aren't excited to vote for a candidate.

When you start pulling nasty-ass shit like robocalls saying "Republicans vote on Tuesday, Dems vote on Wednesday" (which the GOP HAS done), well, that's just different.   

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8 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

 

 

8 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

This is the best strategic idea the left has had in years.

The opponent's base is morons. USE THAT INFORMATION. EXPLOIT IT.

Hmm. I’ve seen this exact tactic used on a billboard before. But I can’t quite put my finger my finger on it. It was wildly effective. I’m sure it will come to me. 

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10 hours ago, WBT said:

 

And I thought Democrats were morally opposed to suppressing turnout.  Pure as the newly driven snow and all that.

I know one party that has proposed and will happily sign a national voting rights act that would give teeth to voter suppression tactics, gerrymandering, and general fuckery. Which party do you think that is?

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