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1 hour ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Shows the big 12 with 28 (with 4 less teams)

https://247sports.com/college/west-virginia/Board/105475/Contents/Big-12-players-on-NFL-rosters-101441067/

*sure there have been a few cuts/signings

That list is a year and a half old, done in July of 2017. The first and only receiver I checked was cut awhile ago. July is during the time of training camp, so it may have listed everyone in training camp before cuts were made. Not sure, too much to research one by one. 

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23 hours ago, Teddy said:

I'm guessing they go to the SEC because they keep getting drafted and paid in the NFL. The SEC has the most receivers on NFL active rosters (as well as some of the best in the league; Julio, AJ Green, Beckham, Mike Evans), over double what the Big12 has in the league (and TTU accounts for 7 of the 14 from the Big12). Georgia is tied for 3rd in most active receivers in the NFL, only TTU and Clemson have more. NFL likes their size, athleticism, the fact that they played in pro-style offenses (learned to block too), and have tape against some of the best defenses in the country. Probably not hard to recruit these kids when you can point to how many are already in the league, as well as some of the highest paid receivers. I knew the SEC has produced some of the better receivers, but did not expect the conference to have the most in the league. That was an interesting find, and supports my theory above about how everyone underestimates SEC passing attacks. 

https://herosports.com/college-football/wr-u-schools-most-receivers-week-1-nfl-rosters-ahah 

I will say that the list published asserting that the SEC has 2x as many WRs in the NFL is wrong.  WVU has 3 currently (Tavon Austin, Shelton Gibson and Kevin White) and would have 4 except for the shooting of Steadman Bailey.  That link doesn't even credit them with 2, so that's an undercount of 2 or 3 right there.  Ok State has 3 in the league also (Tyreek Hill, James Washington and Marcell Ateman).  Again they are not even on the list with 2.  So another undercount of 2-3 players.

Absolute minimum that list missed 4 Big XII WRs and possibly 6 - just from 2 teams.  Conclusion: that list is not reliable at all, virtually worthless.

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2 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

I will say that the list published asserting that the SEC has 2x as many WRs in the NFL is wrong.  WVU has 3 currently (Tavon Austin, Shelton Gibson and Kevin White) and would have 4 except for the shooting of Steadman Bailey.  That link doesn't even credit them with 2, so that's an undercount of 2 or 3 right there.  Ok State has 3 in the league also (Tyreek Hill, James Washington and Marcell Ateman).  Again they are not even on the list with 2.  So another undercount of 2-3 players.

Absolute minimum that list missed 4 Big XII WRs and possibly 6 - just from 2 teams.  Conclusion: that list is not reliable at all, virtually worthless.

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3 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

I will say that the list published asserting that the SEC has 2x as many WRs in the NFL is wrong.  WVU has 3 currently (Tavon Austin, Shelton Gibson and Kevin White) and would have 4 except for the shooting of Steadman Bailey.  That link doesn't even credit them with 2, so that's an undercount of 2 or 3 right there.  Ok State has 3 in the league also (Tyreek Hill, James Washington and Marcell Ateman).  Again they are not even on the list with 2.  So another undercount of 2-3 players.

Absolute minimum that list missed 4 Big XII WRs and possibly 6 - just from 2 teams.  Conclusion: that list is not reliable at all, virtually worthless.

Gotcha. Just googled it, that popped up and was fairly recently posted and read it. Either way, SEC has a lot more WR talent than it’s given credit for, mainly due to it being a league of mostly balanced offenses. That’s my main point of a lot of people dismissing UGA’s WRs.

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2 minutes ago, Teddy said:

Gotcha. Just googled it, that popped up and was fairly recently posted and read it. Either way, SEC has a lot more WR talent than it’s given credit for, mainly due to it being a league of mostly balanced offenses. That’s my main point of a lot of people dismissing UGA’s WRs.

The NFL tends to love measurables and often values them over college production.  That will favor SEC teams, many of whom field guys who are better athletes than football players.  Specifically WRT to Georgia's WRs, none of them even appeared on the Belitnikoff Watch List.  It's not just MY opinion that they are not great receivers.  OTOH Nauta did appear on the Mackey watch list so my impressions from just watching the game were reasonably correlated with what knowledgeable people saw on both counts.

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So, I found a site that will help bring some clarity to this discussion.  It's run by a database guy that has a youtube channel that's worth a watch and he recently branched out and created this site that constantly updates NFL stats and he pulls them out by college and also by position group.  Here's the top 50 as a teaser.  I'm breaking it down by Big 12 vs. SEC and will update soon.  

SOURCE:  http://collegefootballnerds.com/NFLStats/WRU

Scoring Methodology

1 Reception 1 Point
10 Receiving Yards 1 Point
1 Receiving TD 6 Points
1 Rushing Attempt 1 Point
10 Rushing Yards 1 Point
1 Rushing TD 6 Points

 

  College Total WRU Points
1 Clemson 860.3
2 Alabama 744.7
3 USC 618.5
4 California 577.6
5 LSU 528.2
6 Southern Methodist 513.8
7 Texas A&M 452.8
8 Maryland 447.5
9 Oklahoma 446.6
10 Ohio State 437.4
11 West Alabama 403.1
12 Texas Tech 383.8
13 Pittsburgh 368.2
14 Notre Dame 347.8
15 Penn State 329.2
16 Kansas State 308.4
17 Georgia 301.5
18 Fresno State 295.4
19 Minnesota State 290.3
20 Washington 268.4
21 Central Michigan 264.3
22 Eastern Washington 222
23 Mississippi 219.3
24 Northern Illinois 212.7
25 Florida International 210.1
26 Oregon State 205.9
27 Florida 202.4
28 South Carolina 195.6
29 Utah 184.5
30 Western Michigan 171.2
31 East Carolina 164
32 Colorado State 163
33 Temple 162.3
34 Miami (Fla.) 160.2
35 Kent State 157.4
36 Rutgers 155.7
37 Georgia Tech 150
38 Abilene Christian 145.2
39 Pittsburg State 140.5
40 Western Oregon 133.3
41 Ball State 131.9
42 Tennessee 124.9
43 Central Florida 124.7
44 Michigan 119.2
45 Grambling State 117.8
46 Memphis 110.4
47 Texas 106.8
48 Georgia State 98.7
49 Texas Christian 97.9
50 East Central (OK) 94.8

 

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23 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

The NFL tends to love measurables and often values them over college production.  That will favor SEC teams, many of whom field guys who are better athletes than football players.  Specifically WRT to Georgia's WRs, none of them even appeared on the Belitnikoff Watch List.  It's not just MY opinion that they are not great receivers.  OTOH Nauta did appear on the Mackey watch list so my impressions from just watching the game were reasonably correlated with what knowledgeable people saw on both counts.

Well that’s good for UT, y’all don’t have to worry about UGA receivers then. 

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Total points for the BIG 12 teams on the list and also the average number of points for the total number of teams in the conference even though not all are represented in the NFL

Column1 College Total WRU Points Column2
9 Oklahoma 446.6 BIG12
12 Texas Tech 383.8 BIG12
16 Kansas State 308.4 BIG12
47 Texas 106.8 BIG12
49 Texas Christian 97.9 BIG12
69 West Virginia 59.3 BIG12
71 Oklahoma State 57.3 BIG12
85 Baylor 15.9 BIG12
    1476 147.6

 

Total points for the BIG 12 teams on the list and also the average number of points for the total number of teams in the conference even though not all are represented in the NFL

Column1 College Total WRU Points Column2
2 Alabama 744.7 SEC
5 LSU 528.2 SEC
7 Texas A&M 452.8 SEC
17 Georgia 301.5 SEC
23 Mississippi 219.3 SEC
27 Florida 202.4 SEC
28 South Carolina 195.6 SEC
42 Tennessee 124.9 SEC
56 Kentucky 82 SEC
59 Arkansas 78.4 SEC
60 Vanderbilt 77.7 SEC
95 Auburn 2.2 SEC
97 Missouri 2 SEC
    3011.7 215.1

 

 

 

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Conclusions from the data:

  1. SEC WR production in the NFL is greater than Big 12 WR production in both total amount of production and on an average production by team basis.
  2. Alabama is by far the leader of the pack when it comes to WR production in the NFL, and it's not even close.

Inferences from the data:

  1. If NFL production is any indication of WR ability, which I would argue is true, then SEC WRs look to deserve more credit in a general discussion than they may have received.  
  2. This data really doesn't mean jack shit for who will win on Jan 1st.  Just fun back and forth with opposing fans for me.

 

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45 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

The NFL tends to love measurables and often values them over college production.  That will favor SEC teams, many of whom field guys who are better athletes than football players.  Specifically WRT to Georgia's WRs, none of them even appeared on the Belitnikoff Watch List.  It's not just MY opinion that they are not great receivers.  OTOH Nauta did appear on the Mackey watch list so my impressions from just watching the game were reasonably correlated with what knowledgeable people saw on both counts.

True, but the Georgia offensive philosophy of running the ball first and spreading the ball evenly when passing doesn't really ever give an individual WR a chance to put up big numbers that catch the eyes of voters for these awards.  

A valid argument could be made that the UGA WRs do deserve more credit than they are given on a national basis, but due to the offensive gameplan, they don't get said credit.

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Texas is just emerging from a TERRIBLE 6 or 7 year period.  I'm not surprised the NFL results are poor.  Anything else would be shocking.  Current WRs are pretty damn good.  One started on the watch list, the other was added mid-season which requires a standout performance. 

Texas' WRs have a lot more total production.  But even on a per play basis, there's almost no difference.  CJ and LJH average 14.3 YPC (2054 yds on 144 receptions).  Georgia's top 2 WRs average 14.4 YPC (1038 yds on 72 catches).  The big difference is at TE.  Nauta is at 14.7 vs Beck's 10.2 YPC.  That's exactly where I'd expect the difference to show up if it were driven by play action off a running threat.

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Because I was bored and wanted to dig a little deeper, here are all of the WRs from the SEC and then the Big 12 that have earned stats in the NFL this year so far.  The data had Rec and Targets, so I calculated the catch percentage to see if one league or the other caught the ball better in general.  With 62.2% for the SEC and 63.1% for the Big 12 it looks to be pretty much the same.  For those that want to know the total number of WRs it's 41 for the SEC and 22 for the Big 12.

 

Player College Rec Targets Catch % Yards Yards/Catch TDs
Julio Jones Alabama 100 152 65.8% 1511 15.11 6
Amari Cooper Alabama 66 91 72.5% 953 14.44 7
Calvin Ridley Alabama 56 82 68.3% 699 12.48 8
Robert Foster Alabama 19 33 57.6% 468 24.63 2
Gehrig Dieter Alabama 0 1 0.0% 0 0 0
Odell Beckham LSU 77 124 62.1% 1052 13.66 6
Jarvis Landry LSU 72 132 54.5% 827 11.49 3
D.J. Chark LSU 14 30 46.7% 174 12.43 0
Brandon LaFell LSU 12 16 75.0% 135 11.25 2
Russell Shepard LSU 10 19 52.6% 188 18.8 2
Russell Gage LSU 4 6 66.7% 49 12.25 0
Mike Evans Texas A&M 74 120 61.7% 1328 17.95 5
Christian Kirk Texas A&M 43 68 63.2% 590 13.72 3
Josh Reynolds Texas A&M 23 44 52.3% 303 13.17 3
Damion Ratley Texas A&M 13 20 65.0% 144 11.08 0
A.J. Green Georgia 46 77 59.7% 694 15.09 6
Chris Conley Georgia 29 44 65.9% 280 9.66 5
Isaiah McKenzie Georgia 18 23 78.3% 165 9.17 0
Javon Wims Georgia 0 1 0.0% 0 0 0
Donte Moncrief Mississippi 42 83 50.6% 604 14.38 3
Laquon Treadwell Mississippi 34 51 66.7% 295 8.68 1
Cody Core Mississippi 11 24 45.8% 124 11.27 1
Mike Wallace Mississippi 0 3 0.0% 0 0 0
Antonio Callaway Florida 39 71 54.9% 507 13 4
Demarcus Robinson Florida 19 28 67.9% 182 9.58 2
Deonte Thompson Florida 16 28 57.1% 150 9.38 0
Brandon Powell Florida 4 6 66.7% 17 4.25 0
Alshon Jeffery South Carolina 57 82 69.5% 702 12.32 5
Bruce Ellington South Carolina 31 42 73.8% 224 7.23 1
Damiere Byrd South Carolina 1 2 50.0% 8 8 0
Pharoh Cooper South Carolina 0 1 0.0% 0 0 0
Cordarrelle Patterson Tennessee 20 26 76.9% 244 12.2 3
Justin Hunter Tennessee 3 13 23.1% 21 7 0
Josh Malone Tennessee 1 4 25.0% 12 12 0
Randall Cobb Kentucky 37 56 66.1% 356 9.62 2
Jarius Wright Arkansas 31 43 72.1% 337 10.87 1
Keon Hatcher Arkansas 1 2 50.0% 8 8 0
Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt 18 25 72.0% 287 15.94 2
Trent Sherfield Vanderbilt 11 18 61.1% 125 11.36 1
Jimmie Coates Auburn 1 2 50.0% 12 12 0
J'Mon Moore Missouri 1 1 100.0% 10 10 0
    1054 1694 62.2% 13785 10.8 84

 

Player College Rec Targets Catch % Yards Yards/Catch TDs
Dede Westbrook Oklahoma 57 87 65.5% 669 11.74 6
Sterling Shepard Oklahoma 56 91 61.5% 692 12.36 4
Kenny Stills Oklahoma 33 55 60.0% 521 15.79 6
Danny Amendola Texas Tech 52 71 73.2% 509 9.79 1
Michael Crabtree Texas Tech 51 94 54.3% 567 11.12 3
Keke Coutee Texas Tech 28 41 68.3% 287 10.25 1
Jakeem Grant Texas Tech 21 34 61.8% 268 12.76 2
Cameron Batson Texas Tech 8 11 72.7% 82 10.25 0
Derrick Willies Texas Tech 3 5 60.0% 61 20.33 0
Tyler Lockett Kansas State 51 64 79.7% 800 15.69 9
Jordy Nelson Kansas State 47 66 71.2% 586 12.47 3
Marquise Goodwin Texas 20 35 57.1% 366 18.3 4
Marcus Johnson Texas 6 8 75.0% 102 17 1
Josh Doctson Texas Christian 39 68 57.4% 469 12.03 2
Jeremy Kerley Texas Christian 2 4 50.0% 7 3.5 0
Tavon Austin West Virginia 7 10 70.0% 130 18.57 2
Kevin White West Virginia 3 5 60.0% 70 23.33 0
Shelton Gibson West Virginia 1 3 33.3% 48 48 0
Marcell Ateman Oklahoma State 14 28 50.0% 147 10.5 1
James Washington Oklahoma State 13 33 39.4% 153 11.77 1
Corey Coleman Baylor 5 7 71.4% 71 14.2 0
Terrance Williams Baylor 2 3 66.7% 18 9 0
    519 823 63.1% 6623 14.9 46

 

 

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If I'm attacking the UGA offense, you put numbers in the box.  Jam receivers.  Pressure the QB.  Stick to the tailbacks like glue.

 

You will give up big plays in the run and pass.  But don't let the offense control the ball.  Don't let fromm breathe.  He's not mobile.  QBs are not more accurate when pressured.  QBs are not more accurate 15+ yards downfield.  Don't let the tailbacks have any space the first 10 yards as they are our primary weapon.

 

If you can limit the TOP, then you may have a chance to wear down the defense and make some hay in the second half running and throwing.

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Good a place as any to drop this. 

Personally, I'm a little disappointed they're being respectful. I prefer a situation like the ridiculous shit-talking Missouri did last year. Herman is right that Texas 'A' game is good enough to beat these guys, while the 'B' game isn't. But it's a lot easier to get to 'A' when you're pissed about being disrespected. This team hasn't yet won consistently enough to be self-starters like the VY or Colt Texas teams were.

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6 minutes ago, So_co said:

Very nice hit. Decleater. 

My big worry in this game, actually, is that Georgia has the right attitude to hit back. Texas under Herman has learned to be more physical than whoever they are playing, and that has borne a lot of fruit, but Georgia is the first team we are playing that is both talented and physical. Usually it's one or the other.

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3 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

My big worry in this game, actually, is that Georgia has the right attitude to hit back. Texas under Herman has learned to be more physical than whoever they are playing, and that has borne a lot of fruit, but Georgia is the first team we are playing that is both talented and physical. Usually it's one or the other.

It will certainly be interesting.

Two illuminating points about the Dawgs and physical play:

1. Kirby's motto for the team is "Make their asses quit"

2. Fromm after a win vs USCjr early in the year, was quoted with this, "Somebody had to pay for the preparation we do and today that somebody was South Carolina”

 

I could see both of those things coming out of the Texas camp too.

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On 12/18/2018 at 5:05 PM, Teddy said:

Sorry to have to disagree, but I feel like this one isn't quite as accurate as your defensive assessment. Just my opinion of course. This sort of feels like deja vu of the OU fans' comments right before the Rose Bowl last year, about how UGA's offense isn't that good (with their "just look at the stats" comments, especially in regards to QB and WR play). Granted, yours are much nicer and more eloquent way of putting them than OU fans... And I got a good laugh out of the Stripper Offense definition, never heard that and makes perfect sense. 

Regarding the cupcakes, even with those figured in, Sagarin has UGA's SOS at #8 in the country (UT also has a good one at #12). UGA played 7 top 30 teams (UT played 3). Only Tennessee played more top 30 teams in the country (8) than UGA.  If you want to remove the 3 cupcakes' stats, UGA averaged 231 yds/game rushing (20 yds/game less than the with the cupcakes in there). That would still be good for #17 in the country. Also, that's without removing the 16 teams in front of them 3 easiest games as well (as I bet their averages would drop too). Wiscy, Clemson and OU are the only 3 P5 teams in the country, that don't run a triple option, with a better rushing yards per game. And they're only slightly better than UGA's average, and all play in weaker conferences, with weaker SOS'. Also, removing the cupcake games the yards/attempt is 5.46, which would still keep UGA in the top 15-20 in the country. UGA lost Chubb and Michel and is only averaging about 10 yds/game less than last year.

Swift is the best back in the country. He was hampered the first half of the season due to off-season surgery to repair both hamstrings. He's got a ridiculous combo of power, speed and elusiveness. It's like Chubb and Michel got married and had a baby. He's 215 lbs but in a 5'9" frame with great speed. He can juke you or run over you. Highly suggest watching this all the way through: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On_Cv9w5H_4 Holyfield is great too, not as fast or elusive as Swift, but loves contact. He's a big part of the ground and pound tactics of the offense. 

Regarding WRs, they're only "nothing special" in regards to their stats, similar to your take on Fromm (see below on that). I'll take UGA's receivers any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. You will see several of them in the NFL in the next couple of years. And yes, Nauta the TE is very good. He's leaning towards leaving early for the draft after this game. 

Fromm beats Ehlinger on every stat minus total yards, with Ehlinger getting nearly 50% more pass attempts than Fromm. If Fromm had as many attempts as Ehlinger, he'd have 3,700 yards on the year with his current averages. But as the first point of your breakdown said, UGA is a conservative pro-style offense (aka efficient, no need to take unnecessary risks, and most importantly keeps UGA's defense off the field and fresh). Fromm has better completion percentage (#9 in the country), Yards/attempt (#6 in the country), 14th in TD passes, #3 in Passer Rating Efficiency. Better QBR, etc. etc. Fromm sees the field better than most QBs in the country, and has a knack for identifying what the defense is doing pre-snap and getting UGA into the right play. He's the reason in back-to-back years two five stars have been run out of Athens (Eason, now Fields). He's that good. 

Cool. How’d that work out for y’all?

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10 minutes ago, vtaenz said:

Fromm was what I expected. One read and throw. Good arm, nice touch, accuracy was questionable and seeing the field or moving the safeties was non-existent. If he was at all capable Texas would have been crushed by selling out to stop the run.

Fromm has all the physical skills.  He's going to be very good when his ability to read coverage improves.  But for now he had problems diagnosing pressure and disguised coverages on obvious passing downs.  He also had very athletic receivers who had trouble holding on to the ball, especially in traffic.  They'd make a catch then juke the defender for extra yards then the next play they'd drop the ball when they got hit.

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Offensively Georgia is who we thought they were.  Fromm has the talent but still not able to handle pressure.  On 3rd down he was 5 of 9 passing for 30 yards, 1 sack and 1 INT.  He converted 4 for 1st downs but 2 of those were 3rd and 1.  On anything longer than that Fromm was 2 of 10 on 3rd down conversions.  He was much more effective on early downs using play action or at least the threat of the run than when forced to pass.

Texas did give up a fair number of 5-10 yd runs but had enough stops for short gains and TFLs to terminate all but 1 attempt to sustain drives on the ground.  This is where penetrate and disrupt came into play - as long as Texas could maintain field position and force Georgia to drive the length of the field.  7 TFLs and 2 sacks is a fair number when an offense only runs 65 plays.  Especially when combined with an INT and a fumble recovery.

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That was an ass whooping.

There was no answer for the blitzes.  Not from playcalling.  Not from individual effort. And after Fromm got knocked around a few times, he was spooked on every snap after with his timing.

Your offense gave us challenges that I expected.  But I expected us to challenge your defense. "Yeah, but they have to stop us".  LOL.  Check, please.

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1 minute ago, meansonny said:

Great game.  Props to Orlando.  It was fun.  I already knew going into the game that you were on the rise.  But y'all are back now and should have great momentum with recruiting and workouts.

Come around anytime. Speaking for myself, I live in the ATL area and pull for uga regularly through the year, especially when you play bama. Good luck next season. Maybe we’ll see you again.

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Next year is supposed to be our year.  In a 3-4 defense, we had 1 returning linebacker with more than 1 start (and he became a backup).  DL was retooling as well.  2018 and 2019 classes should square away the defense.

 

Next year or not, we have each other on the schedule down the road.  It is going to be fun knocking heads.  Cheers

 

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On 12/31/2018 at 12:23 PM, meansonny said:

If I'm attacking the UGA offense, you put numbers in the box.  Jam receivers.  Pressure the QB.  Stick to the tailbacks like glue.

 

You will give up big plays in the run and pass.  But don't let the offense control the ball.  Don't let fromm breathe.  He's not mobile.  QBs are not more accurate when pressured.  QBs are not more accurate 15+ yards downfield.  Don't let the tailbacks have any space the first 10 yards as they are our primary weapon.

 

If you can limit the TOP, then you may have a chance to wear down the defense and make some hay in the second half running and throwing.

Good call, though it doesn't take a genius to see how to defend a simple SEC offense.

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On 12/18/2018 at 2:25 PM, JBJ said:

Georgia should be as confident in their run game against us as we are in our passing game against them.

Scares you to death.

Oh, well.  They never found an answer for us keeping numbers upfront.  Our quickness seemed up to the task against their size at the LOS.  Our NT rotation showed up in a big way, and Wheeler is just a completely different player when allowed to play inside.

We didn't see any of UGA running their flexbone-ish bunch formation.  Maybe they didn't want to bring our secondary into the running game more than they already were.

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Good call, though it doesn't take a genius to see how to defend a simple SEC offense.

We missed the deep shots early.

 

And Fromm was so rattled from those hits late that the timing was way off on deep shots in the 4th quarter.  They didn't have a chance.

I'm surprised we didn't run jet sweeps, screens, and slants to attack the blitz.  But your defense was so prepared, I would assume that they wouldn't have been successful either.

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Looking back, I think Georgia's ball carriers were surprised several times by the quickness and change of direction of the Texas defensive front.  When facing DLs that go 300 lbs across, they become non-factors once the back is past the LOS unless he slows down a lot.  They certainly aren't accustomed to first level defenders coming back and making a play downfield.  I think that was definitely a factor when Ta'Quon Graham stripped the ball from Swift on a straight draw play.

This was an aspect of size vs speed and quickness that I completely missed and it was key to shutting down the ground game.

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The negative plays the Texas D created were very disruptive to Georgia's offense, which really needs to stay on schedule.  TFLs effectively killed their first 2 drives.  The 3rd was ended by Graham's forced fumble.  Only once were they able to score on a drive after Texas forced a negative play - which was the 2nd Q TD drive.

This was part of my thesis that they were a run dependent team that needed the ground game to open up the pass and would struggle when forced to pass.

In contrast Texas had 3 scoring drives where they overcame negative plays.  It would have been 4 drives if Dicker hits that last FG attempt.  On the 2nd TD, Texas scored after giving up a sack.  On the 2nd FG drive, Ingram got TFLed.  On the last TD drive, there was a penalty along with FOUR runs for no gain.  Finally on the drive ending in the missed FGA, Watson was TFLed.  For teams that struggle throwing into prepared coverage, those a drive killers.  They would have been for the 2017 Longhorns but not the 2018 edition.

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Frankly, this is what I'd hoped would happen (obviously).

Playing body on body, UGA would still be the more physical team. However, Big 12 offenses are built, schematically, to create 1 on 1 matches all over the field and exploit any point where they're superior or win their battle. To counter that Orlando's Texas defense is a master of disguise. They move, shift stunt, loop, feint, fake, etc to hide their formation. A QB can't just simply set his protection at the start. The OL has to react in real time, as do the backs and ends. A 320 Georgia OL can dominate our 290 LB DE, but can't handle the looping DE that disappeared and was replaced by two DBs - each going different directions. In the meantime, the DE has dropped into shallow zone or found the A gap that the Center vacated.

The seasonal game film of our defense was just slightly different from what we actually did. Credit Todd Orlando for the tweaks, and the players for implementing it.

There were several instances where Fromme simply missed (badly) wide open receivers. I believe that stemmed from indecision about where the coverage truly was. The Texas defense capitalized on several turnovers, but could have had 3 more with better focusness.

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Jiggy-Z

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18 hours ago, sushihorn said:

Looking back, I think Georgia's ball carriers were surprised several times by the quickness and change of direction of the Texas defensive front.  When facing DLs that go 300 lbs across, they become non-factors once the back is past the LOS unless he slows down a lot.  They certainly aren't accustomed to first level defenders coming back and making a play downfield.  I think that was definitely a factor when Ta'Quon Graham stripped the ball from Swift on a straight draw play.

This was an aspect of size vs speed and quickness that I completely missed and it was key to shutting down the ground game.

Very Miami-esque circa 1980's performance by Texas defense.  Could have gotten ugly had Texas capitalized more on Ga. miscues and had more depth. I considered the penalties at the end a tribute to the U.

Also, somewhat reminded me of '92 Cowboys style of play with ball control on offense and speedy defense.  That Cowboys team had extraordinary defensive depth especially on the line, such that they really did not need a ball control offense to keep them fresh.  The ball control was to protect young secondary and LBs  (Ken Norton notwithstanding). That defense was very good at making the opposition work hard for points. 

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Fromm is Kelly Bryant. Nice player,  is good enough to win 10 games but like Clemson,  they need that player that can provide that something extra and to get them to next level.  Like big arm or freakish athleticism.  Fields could have been that player if he stuck around and if he was thrown into the game (provided his head was in it), I can tell you that I might have said "oh shit, here we go again".

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Fromm needs a QB whisperer.  He has the arm and I think the accuracy, he's just not coming around on reading the rush or coverage.

One of the few times he saw the blitz and made the correct throw into it, they scored a big TD.  And we gave him many opportunities.

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