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  On 12/30/2021 at 9:29 PM, Anastasis said:

Not sure what is offensive there.  Maddow is just as big of a clown as Tucker. They both reflect the demand/supply dynamic that the brain dead American public asks for and what the media gives them. And when pressed on it, both of their lawyers make the same basic arguments in defense. 

https://timesofsandiego.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/MADDOW-DISMISS.pdf

 

I mean this is the quote from the NPR piece that was linked by Willfully, so I guess whine to them about it. 

Media lawyers note this is not the first time this sort of defense has been offered. A $10 million libel lawsuit filed by the owners of One America News Network against MSNBC's top star, Rachel Maddow, was dismissed in May when the judge ruled she had stretched the established facts allowably: "The context of Maddow's statement shows reasonable viewers would consider the contested statement to be opinion."

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I find it funny that you don't compare the actual allegedly defamatory quotes at issue in each case. Your analysis is nothing more than "they're both pundits so they're the same."

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  On 12/30/2021 at 9:52 PM, wildcat09 said:

I find it funny that you don't compare the actual allegedly defamatory quotes at issue in each case. Your analysis is nothing more than "they're both pundits so they're the same."

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Well one apparently shares cocktail recipes. 
 

Maddow is a clown. Nobody should take her seriously. 
 

Tucker is a clown.  Nobody should take him seriously. 
 

That’s not just my opinion. It is one shared by their lawyers and the courts. 

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  On 12/30/2021 at 9:49 PM, StassneyHorn said:

Naw, she’s not

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The woman has an exceptionally long neck. Very elegant.
 

One of Rachel’s techniques is to start off her interviews asking her guest if she set up the segment properly, if she got something wrong or missed something important. It’s a good way to start an interview and I hope the technique becomes common. 
 

 

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Hey this Rhodes Scholar that goes in depth for 20 minutes and obviously does more research is the same as Tucker Carlson. She used the same defense as him in court cause she likes to say the word literally.

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  On 12/30/2021 at 10:13 PM, Anastasis said:

Well one apparently shares cocktail recipes. 

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I’ll spoiler them

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Ms Willfully and I enjoyed French 75s many a NYE while NPR broadcast the Dead show.

And, yes, comparing the shows is more than a stretch. 😎 Tell me you don’t watch her without saying so stuff.

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  On 12/30/2021 at 10:52 PM, Anastasis said:

Not really sure how any of you guys can take these people, the shows they put out, nor the networks that run them seriously after the last 6 years. 

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My favorite part of having YouTube TV is being able to turn off the cable news stations. All of them. 

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  On 12/30/2021 at 8:56 PM, immortal13 said:

Tucker Carlson is fuckin spot on. That's why yall hate him so much. 

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About what is Tucker spot on?

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case-tucker-carlson-2020-9

  • A federal judge on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit against Fox News after lawyers for the network argued that no "reasonable viewer" would take the network's primetime star Tucker Carlson seriously.
  • The former Playboy model Karen McDougal filed a defamation suit against Fox alleging that Carlson slandered her during a December 2018 episode of his show, "Tucker Carlson Tonight."
  • The network asked a judge to dismiss the case, arguing that "Carlson's statements were not statements of fact and that she failed adequately to allege actual malice."
  • The judge agreed with Fox's premise, adding that the network "persuasively argues" that "given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statements he makes."
  • Carlson has long made racist and controversial statements as a primetime host on Fox News and has lost several advertisers because of it.
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  On 12/30/2021 at 10:52 PM, Anastasis said:

Not really sure how any of you guys can take these people, the shows they put out, nor the networks that run them seriously after the last 6 years. 

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I’d rather shove an ice pick in my eye than watch cable news, but I can still recognize there’s a difference between Fox News and the rest.

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  On 12/30/2021 at 11:24 PM, Satchel said:

About what is Tucker spot on?

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case-tucker-carlson-2020-9

  • A federal judge on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit against Fox News after lawyers for the network argued that no "reasonable viewer" would take the network's primetime star Tucker Carlson seriously.
  • The former Playboy model Karen McDougal filed a defamation suit against Fox alleging that Carlson slandered her during a December 2018 episode of his show, "Tucker Carlson Tonight."
  • The network asked a judge to dismiss the case, arguing that "Carlson's statements were not statements of fact and that she failed adequately to allege actual malice."
  • The judge agreed with Fox's premise, adding that the network "persuasively argues" that "given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statements he makes."
  • Carlson has long made racist and controversial statements as a primetime host on Fox News and has lost several advertisers because of it.
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He's a good American and takes the fight to the liberals. That's why you hate him 

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Actually there are worse “news networks” than Fox if you can believe that.  Not nearly as popular, but they have an audience for the whackos that think Fox is “too liberal”.

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I still think there needs to be distinction between press and media. Shows like TC's should be labeled media and come with a warning ala Jackass or South Park. They should not be allowed to continue the charade that they are press.

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  On 12/30/2021 at 11:09 PM, 4th&Five said:
My favorite part of having YouTube TV is being able to turn off the cable news stations. All of them. 

I just don’t understand people who get their information from cable talking heads. Of any stripe. Hell, I probably agree with Maddow’s “conclusions” more than Tucker’s….but she’s maddening. She uses clickbait style (builds forever before getting to the key fact or point), and she feeds an outrage machine.

F that. Get fact-centered reporting from sources like NPR or the BBC if you need electronic media. Or, try reading: the economist, the WSJ, even just wire services like Reuters and AP.

If someone is feeding you conclusions, they’re feeding you their brand of bullshit. Read facts, actual news.

I truly don’t get it. I can’t stand watching pundits.
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Comparing Maddows opinion on factual statements regarding a paid Russian national that writes for a paid Russian propaganda newspaper also writing for OAN to Tucker Carlson opinion pushing the racist Great Replacement theory is fucking laughable 

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Posted (edited)
  On 12/30/2021 at 11:25 PM, wildcat09 said:

I’d rather shove an ice pick in my eye than watch cable news, but I can still recognize there’s a difference between Fox News and the rest.

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In terms of global suckage all around competition, I put fox in the gold medal position, msnbc in silver, and cnn in bronze.
 

But the judging on this one is more like figure skating than 100m dash. 

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  On 12/30/2021 at 11:43 PM, Neonmoon said:

Comparing Maddows opinion on factual statements regarding a paid Russian national that writes for a paid Russian propaganda newspaper also writing for OAN to Tucker Carlson opinion pushing the racist Great Replacement theory is fucking laughable 

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So you think Carlson is a racist? Why exactly?

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  On 12/31/2021 at 12:12 AM, immortal13 said:

So you think Carlson is a racist? Why exactly?

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In addition to making statements on Bubba the Love Sponge, where he refers to Muslims as “animals,” Iraqi’s as “semi-literate primitive monkeys,” and Michelle Obama as “too black.” Here are a few examples where he has leaned into white supremacist themes regarding the Great Replacement theory.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/04/tucker-carlson-promotes-racist-replacement-theory

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2021/09/28/fox-news-tucker-carlson-adl-great-replacement-theory-reactions/5897547001/

 

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  On 12/31/2021 at 12:21 AM, DDD Dad said:

In addition to making statements on Bubba the Love Sponge, where he refers to Muslims as “animals,” Iraqi’s as “semi-literate primitive monkeys,” and Michelle Obama as “too black.” Here are a few examples where he has leaned into white supremacist themes regarding the Great Replacement theory.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/04/tucker-carlson-promotes-racist-replacement-theory

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2021/09/28/fox-news-tucker-carlson-adl-great-replacement-theory-reactions/5897547001/

 

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Sounds similar to a lot of Biden's statements. 

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  On 12/30/2021 at 10:15 PM, Willfully Horn said:

The woman has an exceptionally long neck. Very elegant.
 

One of Rachel’s techniques is to start off her interviews asking her guest if she set up the segment properly, if she got something wrong or missed something important. It’s a good way to start an interview and I hope the technique becomes common. 
 

 

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Another technique she employs is that if she reports something incorrectly then she’ll acknowledge her error and correct it. You won’t get that from Tucker because he’s not trying to “report” anything accurately in the first place. 

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  On 12/30/2021 at 11:41 PM, Brisketexan said:


I just don’t understand people who get their information from cable talking heads. Of any stripe. Hell, I probably agree with Maddow’s “conclusions” more than Tucker’s….but she’s maddening. She uses clickbait style (builds forever before getting to the key fact or point), and she feeds an outrage machine.

F that. Get fact-centered reporting from sources like NPR or the BBC if you need electronic media. Or, try reading: the economist, the WSJ, even just wire services like Reuters and AP.

If someone is feeding you conclusions, they’re feeding you their brand of bullshit. Read facts, actual news.

I truly don’t get it. I can’t stand watching pundits.

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Here’s the thing, very few people actually do. Carlson gets between 3 and 4.5 million viewers a night. Even the lowest rated network news shows generally outdraw him, the top two best him easily, and all together they crush him.  Tucker just doesn’t reach as many people as it may seem.

Also, comparing him to Maddow is truly dumb. Lying and exaggerating about political shit is one thing.  Carlson pushes vax conspiracy theories and lies that lead to real world people dying and the rest of us suffering from a prolonged pandemic. 

Posted
  On 1/7/2022 at 3:42 AM, atomheartbevo said:

Trump doesn't have the guts to risk losing a second time.

He only runs if he's truly convinced that he has to win in order to help himself (or Ivanka) in legal matters.

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But also...one could argue the only Republican that has a chance against Biden is Trump.  Like it or not, he is the “leader” of the movement and it will be challenging for the GOP not to nominate him. It’s almost like Trump doesn’t have that much choice. He will be the nominee, even if he’s dead or in prison.  I very much want to be wrong on this. 

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  On 1/7/2022 at 3:54 AM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

But also...one could argue the only Republican that has a chance against Biden is Trump.  Like it or not, he is the “leader” of the movement and it will be challenging for the GOP not to nominate him. It’s almost like Trump doesn’t have that much choice. He will be the nominee, even if he’s dead or in prison.  I very much want to be wrong on this. 

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Quite the double edged sword they’ve forged for themselves. 

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  On 1/7/2022 at 3:44 AM, Sawbonz said:

I honestly expect trump to have a stroke or MI prior to or during the primaries. 

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this might be the only thing that saves this country from trump, but trump 2.0 will be much smarter. also will be able to drink using one hand



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