Screwed up need help

[luke duke 6413]

I don't understand the difference between a cement slab and a concrete slab.

One of them is a thing and one of them isn’t.

[milkman 428]

Yeah no way,  35% add on for a job that should have been half that from the start ?  What are you, a contractor ? 

I know a thing or two about the business. It’s a whole lot cheaper to just pay the guy something fair and reasonable to go away than going to court.

[PilotsError 2312]

yeah, definitely a contractor.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

10 hours ago, milkman said:

 

I know a thing or two about the business. It’s a whole lot cheaper to just pay the guy something fair and reasonable to go away than going to court.

 

Again, 35% is NOT fair and reasonable for a job any basic day laborer can manage.  I doubt a judge is going to award a contractor a 2-3 x judgement the going rate for a job that is he said she said. I could be wrong there are dumb ass judges out there though.

[milkman 428]

Again, 35% is NOT fair and reasonable for a job any basic day laborer can manage.  I doubt a judge is going to award a contractor a 2-3 x judgement the going rate for a job that is he said she said. I could be wrong there are dumb ass judges out there though.

 

Pay what you think is fair. It was just a suggestion to get rid of the guy.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

7 minutes ago, milkman said:

 

Pay what you think is fair. It was just a suggestion to get rid of the guy.

So 'splain to me why 35% would be fair in your opinion please.  Apparently this was a guy who'd done previous work for the homeowner (thought I read that).

[Bozo_Casanova 26510]

Just don’t pay it.  It will probably be fine. 

He said he wanted avoid a fight, not run for President.

[Upgrayedd 5816]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

He said he wanted avoid a fight, not run for President.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

He said he wanted avoid a fight, not run for President.

dude, give it a rest, it's Christmas. Keep the CR in the shitter where it belongs.  Merry Christmas btw.....

 

And I'm just fucking with you, that was pretty far down the list as CR goes.

Edited December 24, 2018 by Onboard 2.0

[TwiceHorn 31512]

In Texas for improvements to a residential homestead, there must be a written contract signed by the property owner and spouse.  This applies to all lien claimants. The "general" as well as any subcontractors. 

 

There is a "constitutional" lien but no one knows how it works. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

In Texas for improvements to a residential homestead, there must be a written contract signed by the property owner and spouse.  This applies to all lien claimants. The "general" as well as any subcontractors. 

 

There is a "constitutional" lien but no one knows how it works. 

So what does that mean ?  You can tell the contractor to pound sand ?  Doesn't sound fair, but they are the regulated business, and as such are held to professional; guidelines (allegedly).

[TwiceHorn 31512]

16 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

So what does that mean ?  You can tell the contractor to pound sand ?  Doesn't sound fair, but they are the regulated business, and as such are held to professional; guidelines (allegedly).

Pretty much. They can file a lien that would be facially invalid and summarily removed with attorneys fees awarded. But most likely that's a settlement scenario. 

[woohorn 1131]

Not really. Just no lien.

Contractor can still sue on oral agreement or other theories. Just can't place a VALID lien without written contract signed by both spouses.

[Walte464 450]

I did a 40x15 6 inch slab earlier this year for 3500. You got fucked

[TwiceHorn 31512]

19 minutes ago, woohorn said:

Not really. Just no lien.

Contractor can still sue on oral agreement or other theories. Just can't place a VALID lien without written contract signed by both spouses.

Unless the owner had some kind of privity with subs, those usually go away by summary judgment in the typical situation where the general got paid but not the subs. 

If no one gets paid, the general does have a few more options that may survive summary judgment. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

So paying him a fair 20-25% markup in industry costs for materials and labor rates is the fair thing to do.  In fact for the fucking attempt, the contractor should only expect 18% for the dickish move.

[Bevo 13590]

23 hours ago, woohorn said:

Not really. Just no lien.

Contractor can still sue on oral agreement or other theories. Just can't place a VALID lien without written contract signed by both spouses.

If someone places an invalid lean, how do you take care of it without an attorney? Obviously when we are talking about little sums of money, the attorney costs would probably be higher than the amount disputed.

[Bevo 13590]

On 12/23/2018 at 7:48 PM, Gil Bang said:

It's a concrete slab.  Concrete is made up of portland cement (powder), sand, and gravel.  Sometimes other additives too, such as calcium carbonate.  Cement just glues the other shit together. 

I always thought concrete was hardened cement. Isn’t the ready mix cement called cement and not concrete? So I thought the concrete company poured cement. Is this wrong?

[Gil Bang 25984]

that's wrong.  Cement and water alone won't do shit.  It will dry to a sandstone like material.  

The ready mix trucks you see driving around are carrying concrete...sand, gravel (usually 3/4" rock) and cement (and maybe some other additives).  And water, of course.   Those mixes are engineered for specific strengths.  The concrete used in bridges and dams is a different mix than the shit used for a backyard patio.

Cement and sand alone is called "mortar".   It's most often used when laying bricks.  

Edited December 25, 2018 by Gil Bang

[Bevo 13590]

1 minute ago, Gil Bang said:

that's wrong.  Cement and water alone won't do shit.  It will dry to a sandstone like material.  

The ready mix trucks you see driving around are carrying concrete...sand, gravel (usually 3/4" rock) and cement (and maybe some other additives).

Cement and sand alone is called "mortar".   It's most often used when laying bricks.  

You are correct. I looked it up before your response. The ready mix is called concrete. Pretty funny that I didn’t know that considering how many times I purchased the stuff. 

[Upgrayedd 5816]

Now we have that settled, let’s move on to Asphaltic Concrete 

[Gil Bang 25984]

Here's an interesting article about the biggest concrete pour ever. (scroll down)

 

http://graphics.latimes.com/wilshire-grand-the-big-pour/

[Gil Bang 25984]

Just now, Upgrayedd said:

Now we have that settled, let’s move on to Asphaltic Concrete 

heh.  

Yep, the shit that is used to pave roads is indeed "asphaltic concrete", or "AC Paving".  

Hot tar, sand, gravel, etc.  

[woohorn 1131]

If someone places an invalid lean, how do you take care of it without an attorney? Obviously when we are talking about little sums of money, the attorney costs would probably be higher than the amount disputed.

Just ignore it. There is some period of time that the contractor has to get a judgment and that would show up on title after the lien. If a lien shows up without a subsequent judgment (again, after some period like a year), banks and title cos won't even mention it.

 

Contractor has an obligation to remove it once it is settled (and to remove it if it was never valid in the first place of course) and there are statutory fines if not done, so you could actually recover your atty fees if you fought it instead of just ignoring it.

 

Homeowners freak out about avoiding these liens, but they really are difficult and costly to properly utilize and most aren't ever filed correctly/valid.

 

EDIT- IN TEXAS

[NeverMarryAStripper 21912]

The Romans put volcanic ash in their concrete which made it stronger than the crap we use today.  The Pantheon dome is still standing after almost 2,000 years.  Hoover damn will be long gone before it's anywhere close to that age.

Edited December 25, 2018 by NeverMarryAStripper

[Bozo_Casanova 26510]

Construction techniques of antiquity talk not going away

[Gil Bang 25984]

39 minutes ago, woohorn said:

Just ignore it. There is some period of time that the contractor has to get a judgment and that would show up on title after the lien. If a lien shows up without a subsequent judgment (again, after some period like a year), banks and title cos won't even mention it.

 

Contractor has an obligation to remove it once it is settled (and to remove it if it was never valid in the first place of course) and there are statutory fines if not done, so you could actually recover your atty fees if you fought it instead of just ignoring it.

 

Homeowners freak out about avoiding these liens, but they really are difficult and costly to properly utilize and most aren't ever filed correctly/valid.

 

EDIT- IN TEXAS

Agree 100% (not a lawyer, but I did construction loans for many many years)

Edited December 25, 2018 by Gil Bang

[shakahorn 1645]

1 hour ago, Gil Bang said:

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Cement and sand alone is called "mortar".   It's most often used when laying bricks.  

So that's what our basketball team uses.

[Nolacycling 893]

Irish traveler? Dealt w/this at a parking lot I owned. Of course even Gypsy con-men write contracts. That was the day I learned what a "yard" of concrete was supposed to be.

[luke duke 6413]

On 12/25/2018 at 12:33 PM, NeverMarryAStripper said:

The Romans put volcanic ash in their concrete which made it stronger than the crap we use today.  The Pantheon dome is still standing after almost 2,000 years.  Hoover damn will be long gone before it's anywhere close to that age.

Well, one is holding back the force of a few trillion gallons of water and the other is supporting its own weight.

[BottleRocket 647]

I guess I missed the part where @Bevo told us how this got resolved.  Well?

[RPM 26327]

[PilotsError 2312]

Do these threads EVER get resolved?

[Jkwellborn 6713]

Do these threads EVER get resolved?

Sure. But usually the wife pays to have the sink fixed or the cable turned on.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21912]

I think Ive I’ve seen both of those pornos