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2023 Republican Government Shutdown: Same Shit, Same Story

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He's 3/5ths correct  

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Can any GOP supporters really outline their platform at this point? Cause all I can see as their platform being is: move money from middle-class and poor up to the top percentages, limit civil liberti

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what does national emergency entitle trump to do and for how long?

to claim victory which will be joined and applauded by 95%-99% of Republican voters, and a renewed bump in approval ratings to right back to where he was at the highest point before the shutdown

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Gotta give the Trump administration and Trump family credit - they managed to insult poor and middle-class people in just a few days.  

And they love him for it. He could literally fuck their mothers in front of them and they would cheer him on. To own the libs of course.

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Hugo Stiglitz

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Y’all are getting fooled again.  He’s not going to declare a national emergency because he would have just done it already.

JFC he can claim victory anytime he wants. His supporters will believe literally anything he says.

The shutdown has always been about distracting from the treason.

He wants the shutdown to continue. 

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The declaration of emergency would be challenged in court.  

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/

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Unknown to most Americans, a parallel legal regime allows the president to sidestep many of the constraints that normally apply. The moment the president declares a “national emergency”—a decision that is entirely within his discretion—more than 100 special provisions become available to him. While many of these tee up reasonable responses to genuine emergencies, some appear dangerously suited to a leader bent on amassing or retaining power. For instance, the president can, with the flick of his pen, activate laws allowing him to shut down many kinds of electronic communications inside the United States or freeze Americans’ bank accounts. Other powers are available even without a declaration of emergency, including laws that allow the president to deploy troops inside the country to subdue domestic unrest.

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1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Y’all are getting fooled again.  He’s not going to declare a national emergency because he would have just done it already.

JFC he can claim victory anytime he wants. His supporters will believe literally anything he says.

The shutdown has always been about distracting from the treason.

He wants the shutdown to continue. 

Which is ironic, because it's not doing a thing to distract from all of his other problems.

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11 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

No, it isn't. 

Dude, a counterintelligence investigation was launched into the president of the United States for being a Russian agent who also happens to want to pull out of NATO. 

All this information has emerged during the shutdown and in any other presidency it would justify wall to wall nonstop coverage for weeks.

But no, the crisis is the shutdown.

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22 minutes ago, immamac said:

What keeps private companies from paying ATC and TSA workers on a contractual basis to get "paid back" when the employees get paid in lump sump for the back pay

There's a possible risk that that workers won't get backpay. If you're a company, do you really trust the government to pay you back? This government with Pussy Turtle in charge of the Senate?

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23 minutes ago, mdmost said:

There's a possible risk that that workers won't get backpay. If you're a company, do you really trust the government to pay you back? This government with Pussy Turtle in charge of the Senate?

I mean it's all about risks - are you willing to lose substantial revenues because of the govt shutdown or potentially outlay that in a bet that the government will cover back wages and your business stays relatively unaffected.

I'm not proposing that anyone do this, I'm more just asking if this would be legal/ethically okay to do.

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58 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Dude, a counterintelligence investigation was launched into the president of the United States for being a Russian agent who also happens to want to pull out of NATO. 

All this information has emerged during the shutdown and in any other presidency it would justify wall to wall nonstop coverage for weeks.

But no, the crisis is the shutdown.

True.  And the shutdown is a crisis.  So I'm inclined to agree that he wants to keep it shutdown.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/426896-gop-senators-read-pence-riot-act-before-shutdown-votes

 

Frustrated GOP senators read Vice President Pence the riot act at a closed-door meeting Thursday, telling him the partial government shutdown needs to end soon, according to lawmakers in the room.

Republican senators, including Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.), warned the vice president that prolonging the shutdown is not a smart political strategy, in hopes of sending a clear message to President Trumpthat he needs to resolve the crisis as soon as possible.

Lawmakers vented their irritation to Pence shortly before six GOP senators defected to vote for a Democratic-backed bill that would open the government without funding Trump's proposed border wall.

One GOP senator said lawmakers told Pence "the shutdown needs to come to an end, this is not a strategy that works [and] we never should have had a shutdown in the first place."

Pence in turn told them that "the president is interested in striking a deal," according to the source.

The pushback against Pence came from outspoken critics of the shutdown like Sen. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), as well as from lawmakers who usually keep a lower profile -- Sens. John Boozman (Ark.), Johnny Isakson(Ga.) and Jerry Moran (R-Kan.).

One of the most remarkable moments of during the Senate luncheon came when McConnell told Pence that shuttering the government to try to secure funding for a border wall was not a smart approach.

“McConnell talked about how we need to bring this process to a close; we should never have had a shutdown; they don't work; I've said this numerous times; I don't know how many times I've told you there's no education in the second kick of a mule," said a GOP source familiar with the meeting.

A spokesman for McConnell declined to comment on specific conversations during the private lunch but noted that the Kentucky Republican made his thoughts about a potential government shutdown clear in mid-December.

"I think that a government shutdown is not a good option. That's my view. The American people don't like it," the GOP leader told reporters on Dec. 18, four days before funding lapsed. "You remember my favorite country saying, 'There's no education in the second kick of a mule.' We've been down this path before." 

Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) said after Thursday's meeting but before the Senate votes that colleagues were "airing their concerns."

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) told reporters after Senate votes that Pence got an "earful" from senators.

"We're all hearing from our constituents who are working for no pay," Cornyn said. "And there's a parade of horribles of how people who are having to cope with not getting paid, and it's not good."

There was a lot of frustration expressed about the situation we find ourselves in," he added.

Pence urged Republican lawmakers at the lunch to stay unified, pressing them not to vote for the proposal from Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) to fund the government until Feb. 8 without additional funding for a border wall, according to the GOP source familiar with the meeting.

To underscore the stern message they sent to Pence, six Republicans - Murkowski, Isakson and Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Susan Collins (Maine), Cory Gardner(Colo.) and Mitt Romney (Utah) - voted for the Democratic proposal. The 52-44 vote fell short of the 60 needed to advance.

Murkowski said after the votes that she told Pence the shutdown has to end as quickly as possible.

"I reminded colleagues that I was feeling a very keen sense of urgency on this because Alaska has the highest number of federal workers that are impacted by the partial shutdown and we needed to get this open now," said Murkowski, who is supporting a measure with Democratic Sens. Ben Cardin (Md.) and Chris Van Hollen(Md.) that would reopen the government for three weeks without providing wall funding. 

Isakson's spokeswoman, Amanda Maddox, said her boss "spoke to his colleagues at today's lunch to share his reasoning for voting the way he planned." 

"He didn't know the vice president would be at today's lunch when he decided on making the speech," Maddox said. "He wasn't trying to send any message but was merely speaking his conscience."

 

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So it seems like Senate republicans are about ready to surrender. Nancy shouldn't give money for an inch of a wall. Fuck em. I'm not getting paid again tomorrow, but fuck 'em. Give him nothing.
 
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Fuck. YES. It’s the only way to guarantee he doesn’t keep doing this to you and yours.
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2 hours ago, immamac said:

What keeps private companies from paying ATC and TSA workers on a contractual basis to get "paid back" when the employees get paid in lump sump for the back pay

If I was management team of AA I would absolutely pursue this. Get with delta southwest and united and create a program to offer interest free short terms loans to tsa and faa employees. Never mind the operational losses avoided, the pr would be great. 

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We're seeing Trump's incompetence shine through. With GOP control of both houses of Congress, McConnell and Ryan could cover up for his mistakes and he could still accomplish some things and have a some political wins even if not legislatively. Now he's playing his twos as aces and getting skull fucked by Ms. Pelosi. I love it. 

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It’s tough to borrow chemo. Duh.

Trump Chemo.

I tell ya; he's not on his game.  He could have prepared for this with Trump Loans, Trump Health Care, Trump Groceries....it goes on and on.

Instead, his singular focus was on a wall.  Guess his business "acumen" is slipping.

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Trump Chemo.
I tell ya; he's not on his game.  He could have prepared for this with Trump Loans, Trump Health Care, Trump Groceries....it goes on and on.
Instead, his singular focus was on a wall.  Guess his business "acumen" is slipping.

Well then, we need to step into the breach. MAGA loans, MAGA chemo substitute, all that shit. I’m sick of not being in on fleecing the morons.
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