2023 Republican Government Shutdown: Same Shit, Same Story

[retread 2951]

The creditors get a vacation too b/c they don't have to process payments.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[Francisco 2.0 32313]

What a great line:

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"A wall through the national park would be a hideous billion-dollar project to keep that one guy in Boquillas from bringing wire roadrunner sculptures across the river in the morning to sell to hikers"

https://www.texasobserver.org/trumps-border-wall-is-a-vortex-of-stupidity-that-trump-and-the-gop-cant-escape/

 

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“This is the stupidest day in American history,” wrote Matt Christman during the Donald’s inauguration, “a record that will be broken by every subsequent day in American history.” PolitiFact says: Mostly true. But it feels especially true these days, in the swampy mire of one of the dumbest policy debates in the history of American politics. I’m speaking, of course, of the matter of The Wall.

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The Wall started as an applause line at President Donald Trump’s campaign rallies. It was an effective rhetorical tool not because it made any degree of practical sense, but because it was a symbol of Trump’s showy commitment to a hard line on immigration. The wall was emphatically not like the vehicle barriers and fences that already dot the U.S.-Mexico border, which Trump surely did not know existed at the time. The Wall would be built coast to coast, it would be beautiful — maybe as high as 40 feet — and it would be fully paid for by Mexico, making it a double humiliation for the “enemy.” It was clear from the beginning that it was a simple expression of racial resentment.

 

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Then he won, and essentially forgot about it for two years. Of course, he talked a lot about The Wall, but he clearly didn’t care enough to do much about it. With one of the largest GOP congressional majorities in recent history, he failed to secure funding for the kind of wall he had promised in the campaign, because even Republican lawmakers understood that The Wall was a boondoggle. At the end of that two years, with an incoming Democratic majority in the House, Trump has partially shut down the government.

Trump is doing this because he wants to have a fight; the substance of the thing doesn’t matter. But in the process of having that fight, The Wall has gone from a stupid idea to a vortex of stupidity that’s sucking in everything it touches. In the intersections of these various stupidities, and our ability to watch them bounce off each other in real time, The Wall actually helps clarify some truths about Trump’s first term.

Why is the idea of a coast-to-coast wall stupid? No one who has visited Big Bend needs this explained, and support for The Wall is lowest in border communities, where people actually understand what day-to-day life is like there.

Huge stretches of the U.S.-Mexico border aren’t practical corridors for smuggling or illegal immigration. A wall through the national park would be a hideous billion-dollar project to keep that one guy in Boquillas from bringing wire roadrunner sculptures across the river in the morning to sell to hikers, and would negatively affect predominantly poor communities on the border, whose existences are fragile and often dependent on neighbors across the river.

The heaviest-traveled sections of the border already have fencing. If the president simply wanted to bolster those, he wouldn’t have needed to fight anybody. For better or worse, those barriers have been expanded by Democrats and Republicans over the years, and are uncontroversial in Congress. Indeed, Congress provided additional funding for that system of fencing in Trump’s first term — construction in South Texas is slated to begin in February.

But neither is the expansion of those fences inconsequential. The people who live in these areas have been more or less absent from the national debate — on the matter of The Wall, some in the media seem more interested in irate Trump-supporting steelworkers in Ohio than the people it would actually affect. The Texas borderlands are already a police state, and about 95 percent of the Texas-Mexico border is privately owned.

The shuttering and reopening of border crossings, along with the presence of numerous state and federal law enforcement agencies with a bewildering set of acronyms — down to the militarized wing of the Texas game wardens — are an enormous burden on daily life. And because The Wall has to be built on the American shore of the river, the space required for it represents a significant taking of the property of private citizens, historical sites and nature preserves.

Why fight for this? Trump wants to show that he’s delivering on one (1) campaign promise, but he’s doing it at the least politically favorable time of his presidency so far. And if he’s trying to make his re-election campaign about immigration, against open-border Democrats, well, the White House ran its midterm election effort on the migrant caravan. They were successful in making it an issue, and stoking a tremendous level of fear about it among conservatives. And the end result was that Democrats won more seats than they have in any election since Watergate.

But the wall is useless even to Trump’s people. His presidency helped elevate a small group of immigration hardliners, among them Stephen Miller, Jeff Sessions, Michael Anton. These were people who are primarily concerned not about illegal crossings per se, but about long-term demographic shifts in America. They want above all to scale back legal immigration. Trump has of course done terrible things with his executive power, but that group missed their best chance in decades at limiting legal immigration through Congress. All they have left now is this dumb wall, which they, unlike Trump’s base, know will do nothing whatsoever to make America a whiter country.

The Wall fight is a microcosm of the fact that the 115th Congress was a missed opportunity for Republicans by every conceivable standard, except for the tax cuts. The White House failed to move other major reforms on any issue: They have nothing to brag about except what they did with executive agencies, the easiest part. So they’re back to fighting about stupid symbols.

Are conservative pundits mad about any of this? No, of course not, they’re defending Trump in this new fight. Dan McLaughlin, a columnist at the National Review, recently tweeted a defense of The Wall that captures the ridiculousness of their thinking on the matter: “The Vietnam Memorial Wall is also a wall. So is the Wailing Wall,” he said. “If you are against all walls regardless of purpose or function, you are against houses, churches & hospitals.”

These are the words of a man whose brain cavity is filled with pea soup. McLaughlin isn’t even pro-wall, really, he understands that it’s a garbage policy. Just as he professes to dislike Trump, who last night took the same tack when he asked a national television audience why rich people have fences if walls don’t work. But McLaughlin is incapable of being less anti-lib than he is pro-the-people-who-make-libs-mad. The left’s new anti-wall stance, he continued, was “an interesting test case in how hard people will circle the wagons around demagogic nonsense from D candidates.” Hm!

There’s no groupthink in the vortex, of course, because there’s no thought. He’s stuck there, a place where there’s no light and heat and no self. We are, too. We live here now.

 

[Rimbo 25766]

My fellow Surlyhorns, the worst possible outcome of the shutdown is happening.

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Now Being Held Hostage by the Shutdown: Your Favorite Craft Brewery

By Nick Corasaniti
Jan. 10, 2019

HACKENSACK, N.J. — The locked doors of federal agencies in Washington are leading to locked taps and empty vats at craft breweries around the country.

One such scene unfolds in an 11,000-square-foot warehouse in northern New Jersey, where the usual low hum and screeching hiss of an active brewhouse and the musty stench of fermentation wafting outside are absent. Instead, there is just the echo of passing conversation and stale cold air.

The partial government shutdown has idled a division of the Treasury Department that regulates manufacturers of craft beer, dealing a blow to a booming industry and disappointing discerning drinkers.

At Alementary Brewing in Hackensack, the owners cannot get federal approval to begin brewing in their warehouse space — they operate a smaller brewhouse across the street — since their application for the new location is sitting on empty desks. They nervously wait each day as the bills and overhead from their $1 million investment to ramp up their production and distribution begin to pile up.

“No entrepreneur ever thinks to write down ‘completely dysfunctional government’ on your risk matrix when you’re thinking, ‘What are the things I have to account for?’” Blake Crawford, an owner of the brewery, said.

The impact of the shutdown has been vast: Federal employees are without a paycheck; funds for food stamps and other assistance programs are running low; waste is overflowing in national parks; Transportation Security Administration agents forced to work without pay are calling out sick; and the Food and Drug Administration has suspended some food inspections.

But a distillation of the shutdown’s far-reaching consequences can be seen in the surging $76 billion craft beer industry, which is driven by many smaller operations. The industry is regulated by the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau, which controls craft breweries mainly in two ways: approving any new brewery equipment and approving labels on new lines of beer.

In New Jersey, the fledgling industry has grown to 90 craft breweries today from 51 in 2015, tying the state with Kentucky for the fastest rate of growth, according to the Brewers Association, a national trade group. With more than 7,000 breweries nationwide, the fallout from a slowdown of work in small breweries can have ripple effects.

“It’s an easy thing to say this is just about breweries and label approval and I can’t open my brewery,” Mr. Crawford said. “But the problem goes well beyond that. It goes to impacting farmers. It goes to impacting our suppliers. Breweries use a lot of stainless steel and aluminum.”

President Trump’s Tuesday address to the nation and the Democratic response only deepened his worry.

“We would have hired more people by now,” Mr. Crawford said. “The reason there isn’t a plumber in here right now is because we saw the television last night and we were like, ‘This could go on for a while.’”

The plight of the brewers has started to catch the attention of lawmakers in Washington.

“We’ve created this false choice,” said Representative Josh Gottheimer, a Democratic congressman from northern New Jersey who recently visited the Alementary brewery. Mr. Gottheimer noted that his district includes 12 craft breweries, part of a $1.7 billion industry in the state. “There’s no reason we can’t have tough borders and reopen the government and do our jobs.”

With the alcohol bureau shut down, breweries across the country are facing similar problems as Alementary is, throwing their business plans and survival into question.

The shutdown has idled a division of the Treasury Department that regulates manufacturers of craft beer.CreditBryan Anselm for The New York Times
In Colorado, where nearly 400 microbreweries contribute $3 billion dollars to the state’s economy, Spice Trade Brewing had been planning a large expansion for two years. But right as it was finalizing a lease on a new building, the shutdown suspended its licensing.

“There’s a real chance that the building that we’ve been spending all this time and money on could fall through if our landlord doesn’t want to sit around and wait for a couple of months while we wait for our license,” Jeff Tyler, the head brewer at Spice Trade, said. “Real estate prices are just going up. If this pushes us back, it could have a real impact on our rent price.”

In New York City, Transmitter brewery in Queens is looking to expand from tiny quarters in Long Island City to a much larger facility in the Navy Yard in Brooklyn. But its move has also been held up by the shutdown.

“People don’t even realize how deep it goes,” Rob Kolb, a founder of Transmitter, said. “We’re a small business and it could potentially ruin us. You can’t pay rent in two places without increasing revenue. and there’s no way to increase revenue if you can’t make beer.”

The bureau’s oversight over labeling has also made the shutdown difficult. From graphic design to alcohol warnings to listing the percentage of alcohol by volume, every new beer must have its label approved before it can be sold nationally. Some states do allow breweries to sell in-state before getting federal label approval.

For many smaller breweries, a constant churn of new beers is as important for attracting new customers as is having established fan favorites. Jersey Girl Brewing in Hackettstown, N.J., had been planning to introduce a beer each month and had begun to gather ingredients and lay out a brewing schedule. Without label approval, the beer already brewed could sit in tanks, go stale in cans, or, in a worst-case scenario, have to be thrown away.

In Maryland, 1623 Brewing is in Carroll County, which shares a border with Pennsylvania and is a short drive to Virginia and West Virginia. The brewery had been increasing its production with plans to expand to those three states, but without label approval it will be left with a glut of beer.

“We lean a little bit right as far as the political spectrum is concerned, but this doesn’t serve anybody,” said Zac Rissmiller, an owner of 1623, said of the shutdown. “I’m all for border security, but holding the American people hostage over something that’s an international issue seems to me to be a no-win game.”

The label-approval process also extends beyond the beer industry to winemakers and liquor distilleries.

“We are exclusively distributed in New Jersey,” said Zack Ohebshalom, a founder of Asbury Park Distilling in Asbury Park, N.J., which produces spirits. "My plan for 2019 is to reach into New York and Pennsylvania. So if this shutdown continues, that may not be as realistic in the short term as we initially hoped.”

Many liquor distillers across the country that offer seasonal specials are also caught in the logjam.

“All the companies are directly impacted,” said Frank Coleman, the senior vice president of the Distilled Spirits Council in Washington.

At Alementary, the handcuffed expansion is worrisome not just to Mr. Crawford and Michael Roosevelt, the other founder, but to nearby brewers. The men had made handshake agreements with small breweries to produce some of their beer at the warehouse space. For now, that is not possible.

So ingredients and beer in production risks going stale.

“It’s like they’re pouring beer out on the street,” Mr. Gottheimer said.

 

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

4 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

Mangino's hot dog pack back neck fat.

That's....like poetry or something. Disgusting, but poetry. 

[Anastasis 23390]

28 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

My fellow Surlyhorns, the worst possible outcome of the shutdown is happening.

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Now Being Held Hostage by the Shutdown: Your Favorite Craft Brewery

By Nick Corasaniti
Jan. 10, 2019

HACKENSACK, N.J. — The locked doors of federal agencies in Washington are leading to locked taps and empty vats at craft breweries around the country.

One such scene unfolds in an 11,000-square-foot warehouse in northern New Jersey, where the usual low hum and screeching hiss of an active brewhouse and the musty stench of fermentation wafting outside are absent. Instead, there is just the echo of passing conversation and stale cold air.

The partial government shutdown has idled a division of the Treasury Department that regulates manufacturers of craft beer, dealing a blow to a booming industry and disappointing discerning drinkers.

At Alementary Brewing in Hackensack, the owners cannot get federal approval to begin brewing in their warehouse space — they operate a smaller brewhouse across the street — since their application for the new location is sitting on empty desks. They nervously wait each day as the bills and overhead from their $1 million investment to ramp up their production and distribution begin to pile up.

“No entrepreneur ever thinks to write down ‘completely dysfunctional government’ on your risk matrix when you’re thinking, ‘What are the things I have to account for?’” Blake Crawford, an owner of the brewery, said.

The impact of the shutdown has been vast: Federal employees are without a paycheck; funds for food stamps and other assistance programs are running low; waste is overflowing in national parks; Transportation Security Administration agents forced to work without pay are calling out sick; and the Food and Drug Administration has suspended some food inspections.

But a distillation of the shutdown’s far-reaching consequences can be seen in the surging $76 billion craft beer industry, which is driven by many smaller operations. The industry is regulated by the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau, which controls craft breweries mainly in two ways: approving any new brewery equipment and approving labels on new lines of beer.

In New Jersey, the fledgling industry has grown to 90 craft breweries today from 51 in 2015, tying the state with Kentucky for the fastest rate of growth, according to the Brewers Association, a national trade group. With more than 7,000 breweries nationwide, the fallout from a slowdown of work in small breweries can have ripple effects.

“It’s an easy thing to say this is just about breweries and label approval and I can’t open my brewery,” Mr. Crawford said. “But the problem goes well beyond that. It goes to impacting farmers. It goes to impacting our suppliers. Breweries use a lot of stainless steel and aluminum.”

President Trump’s Tuesday address to the nation and the Democratic response only deepened his worry.

“We would have hired more people by now,” Mr. Crawford said. “The reason there isn’t a plumber in here right now is because we saw the television last night and we were like, ‘This could go on for a while.’”

The plight of the brewers has started to catch the attention of lawmakers in Washington.

“We’ve created this false choice,” said Representative Josh Gottheimer, a Democratic congressman from northern New Jersey who recently visited the Alementary brewery. Mr. Gottheimer noted that his district includes 12 craft breweries, part of a $1.7 billion industry in the state. “There’s no reason we can’t have tough borders and reopen the government and do our jobs.”

With the alcohol bureau shut down, breweries across the country are facing similar problems as Alementary is, throwing their business plans and survival into question.

The shutdown has idled a division of the Treasury Department that regulates manufacturers of craft beer.CreditBryan Anselm for The New York Times
In Colorado, where nearly 400 microbreweries contribute $3 billion dollars to the state’s economy, Spice Trade Brewing had been planning a large expansion for two years. But right as it was finalizing a lease on a new building, the shutdown suspended its licensing.

“There’s a real chance that the building that we’ve been spending all this time and money on could fall through if our landlord doesn’t want to sit around and wait for a couple of months while we wait for our license,” Jeff Tyler, the head brewer at Spice Trade, said. “Real estate prices are just going up. If this pushes us back, it could have a real impact on our rent price.”

In New York City, Transmitter brewery in Queens is looking to expand from tiny quarters in Long Island City to a much larger facility in the Navy Yard in Brooklyn. But its move has also been held up by the shutdown.

“People don’t even realize how deep it goes,” Rob Kolb, a founder of Transmitter, said. “We’re a small business and it could potentially ruin us. You can’t pay rent in two places without increasing revenue. and there’s no way to increase revenue if you can’t make beer.”

The bureau’s oversight over labeling has also made the shutdown difficult. From graphic design to alcohol warnings to listing the percentage of alcohol by volume, every new beer must have its label approved before it can be sold nationally. Some states do allow breweries to sell in-state before getting federal label approval.

For many smaller breweries, a constant churn of new beers is as important for attracting new customers as is having established fan favorites. Jersey Girl Brewing in Hackettstown, N.J., had been planning to introduce a beer each month and had begun to gather ingredients and lay out a brewing schedule. Without label approval, the beer already brewed could sit in tanks, go stale in cans, or, in a worst-case scenario, have to be thrown away.

In Maryland, 1623 Brewing is in Carroll County, which shares a border with Pennsylvania and is a short drive to Virginia and West Virginia. The brewery had been increasing its production with plans to expand to those three states, but without label approval it will be left with a glut of beer.

“We lean a little bit right as far as the political spectrum is concerned, but this doesn’t serve anybody,” said Zac Rissmiller, an owner of 1623, said of the shutdown. “I’m all for border security, but holding the American people hostage over something that’s an international issue seems to me to be a no-win game.”

The label-approval process also extends beyond the beer industry to winemakers and liquor distilleries.

“We are exclusively distributed in New Jersey,” said Zack Ohebshalom, a founder of Asbury Park Distilling in Asbury Park, N.J., which produces spirits. "My plan for 2019 is to reach into New York and Pennsylvania. So if this shutdown continues, that may not be as realistic in the short term as we initially hoped.”

Many liquor distillers across the country that offer seasonal specials are also caught in the logjam.

“All the companies are directly impacted,” said Frank Coleman, the senior vice president of the Distilled Spirits Council in Washington.

At Alementary, the handcuffed expansion is worrisome not just to Mr. Crawford and Michael Roosevelt, the other founder, but to nearby brewers. The men had made handshake agreements with small breweries to produce some of their beer at the warehouse space. For now, that is not possible.

So ingredients and beer in production risks going stale.

“It’s like they’re pouring beer out on the street,” Mr. Gottheimer said.

 

We should start stripping functions from the federal government, determining which functions are still necessary, and for those that are, look to see if they might be more appropriately handled at a different level of government.  For example, I don't think that green lighting a brewery to start brewing beer should require an act of the federal government. 

Edited January 11, 2019 by Anastasis

[LongestHorn 759]

12 hours ago, horncyclist said:

Here's the photo. Would love be to know how long it took them to cut the hole and what tools.

TV said they used a hand saw from Home Depot and it took 15-20 minutes.  

[Francisco 2.0 32313]

Lou just wants the President to ignore all democrats completely and just do what he wants:

https://www.axios.com/lou-dobbs-fox-business-host-calls-for-trump-national-emergency-1f450818-8bf5-4e4e-9ba1-6592c28f2029.html

 

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Fox Business host Lou Dobbs said Thursday that President Trump should use his national emergency powers to "simply sweep aside the recalcitrant left in this country” as the partial government moves closer to Day 21.

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In addition to being one of Trump's favorite cable news hosts, Lou Dobbs is also a close confidante of the president. The Daily Beast reported last year that Trump has, on several occasions, patched Dobbs into Oval Office meetings so the Fox Business host could "give his two cents" via speakerphone. Later Thursday night, Trump told Fox News' Sean Hannity that he would "most likely" declare a national emergency if he couldn't strike a deal with Congress on his border wall.

 

 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11802]

2 minutes ago, LongestHorn said:

TV said they used a hand saw from Home Depot and it took 15-20 minutes.  

Looks like a cutting torch to me.  Uneven and melted steel in spots 

[retread 2951]

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Dobbs: Trump should "declare a national emergency, and simply sweep aside the recalcitrant left in this country"

Lou forgot that it wasn't just him, Hannity, Rush, and Cheeto sitting around the Oval Office having authoritarian wet dreams.

Edited January 11, 2019 by retread

[LongestHorn 759]

 

[tchookem 3900]

We should start stripping functions from the federal government, determining which functions are still necessary, and for those that are, look to see if they might be more appropriately handled at a different level of government.  For example, I don't think that green lighting a brewery to start brewing beer should require an act of the federal government. 

That would require a plan. You know thinking about the possible outcomes, anticipating problems, and knowing what to do before acting. Not exactly Trump's forte.

[Ted Lange 16040]

42 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Edited January 11, 2019 by Ted Lange

[DDD Dad 14243]

Y’all know this asshole is deconstructing our republic, right?

Fucking Russians are winning.

[Brisketexan 104537]

Lou just wants the President to ignore all democrats completely and just do what he wants:
https://www.axios.com/lou-dobbs-fox-business-host-calls-for-trump-national-emergency-1f450818-8bf5-4e4e-9ba1-6592c28f2029.html
 

Fox Business host Lou Dobbs said Thursday that President Trump should use his national emergency powers to "simply sweep aside the recalcitrant left in this country” as the partial government moves closer to Day 21.

In addition to being one of Trump's favorite cable news hosts, Lou Dobbs is also a close confidante of the president. The Daily Beast reported last year that Trump has, on several occasions, patched Dobbs into Oval Office meetings so the Fox Business host could "give his two cents" via speakerphone. Later Thursday night, Trump told Fox News' Sean Hannity that he would "most likely" declare a national emergency if he couldn't strike a deal with Congress on his border wall.

 
 

That’s going to be an awesome precedent. Any time there’s a political opposition to what the executive wants to do, he just gets to circumvent them altogether by declaring that their opposition creates a national emergency. This is gonna be FANTASTIC under President Ocasio Cortez in 2036.

[NBMisha 224]

And that's what we have the high court for, to stop such nonsense.  My anxiety is salved.

[Francisco 2.0 32313]

The new trade deal that (double checking here) hasn't been approved by Congress yet:

 

 

[Chad Fuck 17548]

That's....like poetry or something. Disgusting, but poetry. 

Thank you. I majored in English at The University of Texas. Sometimes I get to use it.

[Anastasis 23390]

4 hours ago, NBMisha said:

And that's what we have the high court for, to stop such nonsense.  My anxiety is salved.

Just don't drink from the punch bowl at the after party or you will be salving more than your anxiety. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[horncyclist 1384]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Fuck you, Cornyn. 

[SubliminalHorn 6672]

That’s a terrible hashtag

[Captainant 27403]

Welp, time to call his office again and politely be ignored.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

It's funny watching these "conservative" senators encourage Trump to declare a "national emergency" simply because they don't want the political consequences of actually doing their job.  

In other words, they want the shutdown to end before they are held accountable. 

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

Quick! It’s an emergency! Let’s begin a multi year long construction project that will be hampered by litigation over government taking of private land and the geographical challenges making a physical wall in some places an impossibility. 

 

[Francisco 2.0 32313]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It's funny watching these "conservative" senators encourage Trump to declare a "national emergency" simply because they don't want the political consequences of actually doing their job.  

In other words, they want the shutdown to end before they are held accountable. 

But in 2022 when President Harris declares an national emergency over health care or gun violence or whatever, the snowflake behavior among the GOP and their followers/supporters will be astonishing.

 

[Ted Lange 16040]

The Ds should find some land already tied up in eminent domain lawsuit hell. And say, ok you can build it here. 

[GSU&UT 1798]

How much money would Trump even have access if he was legally allowed to declare a national emergency and use unappropriated Pentagon funds? I feel like this isn't being talked enough about, he wouldn't have unlimited freaking money, he'd have enough to build a very long piece of crap fence or a huge concrete wall for maybe 50 to 100 miles?

[retread 2951]

^ Have there been estimates for the total cost? I don't know that I"ve seen any. But yeah, the disaster relief funds will just give him a W and fuck over the hurricane and fire victims.

[GSU&UT 1798]

3 minutes ago, retread said:

^ Have there been estimates for the total cost? I don't know that I"ve seen any. But yeah, the disaster relief funds will just give him a W and fuck over the hurricane and fire victims.

Total cost for the concrete/whatever type of wall he initially talked about to cover the entire border? I've read a few experts that say it would be hundreds of billions, perhaps close to a trillion dollars.

[Message Board User 12389]

18 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

Total cost for the concrete/whatever type of wall he initially talked about to cover the entire border? I've read a few experts that say it would be hundreds of billions, perhaps close to a trillion dollars.

 

22 minutes ago, retread said:

^ Have there been estimates for the total cost? I don't know that I"ve seen any. But yeah, the disaster relief funds will just give him a W and fuck over the hurricane and fire victims.

I'm assuming this means the total cost would be, approximately, a fuckton.  Certainly more than $5 billion.

Edited January 11, 2019 by Message Board User

[relapse98 634]

16 hours ago, retread said:

 

"Slaves had it better than if they had been left in Africa"

WTF is it with Republicans and always having to decide what is better for someone.

[relapse98 634]

13 hours ago, Anastasis said:

We should start stripping functions from the federal government, determining which functions are still necessary, and for those that are, look to see if they might be more appropriately handled at a different level of government.  For example, I don't think that green lighting a brewery to start brewing beer should require an act of the federal government. 

That sounds great. But currently - we can't build new breweries or release labels. So I may agree with you in principle, but it's currently not working.

[Foosters 17725]

#Libtears

[relapse98 634]

1 minute ago, Foosters said:

#Libtears

He sure does hate him anything related to Obama and pretty much the entire state of California. I've never seen such infighting between coastal elites.

[Pescado_Rojo 19330]

4 minutes ago, relapse98 said:

He sure does hate him anything related to Obama and pretty much the entire state of California. I've never seen such infighting between coastal elites.

Did you forget the East Coast / West Coast Hip Hop wars of the early '90s? 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Notice how we're getting bombarded with stories that start off with:

Trump is considering...

Trump is thinking about....

Trump is researching...

It's all bullshit to pollute the conversation in the media so people ignore the treason. 

[Foosters 17725]

7 minutes ago, relapse98 said:

He sure does hate him anything related to Obama and pretty much the entire state of California. I've never seen such infighting between coastal elites.

And the "funny" thing about it is most of those proposed CA projects impact the solid GOP areas of the state.

[Chooky 13296]

5 minutes ago, Foosters said:

And the "funny" thing about it is most of those proposed CA projects impact the solid GOP areas of the state.

He's going to divert the "rake the forests funds" to the "keep people out who mainly want to come over here and rake shit up funds."

[staboner 4956]

13 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

Y’all know this asshole is deconstructing our republic, right?

Fucking Russians are winning.

yes

and a large part of us is retarded.

so fate? yeah probably. gotta fight back retardless

happy friday my homies. gricklocked government really means the nukes can't be deployed right? i am sure thats it. i'll sleep better. 

[bolverk 29394]

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While many rural conservatives may loathe the idea of Big Government, farmers and the federal government are welded together by dozens of programs and billions of dollars in spending.

Now, farmers and farm groups say that federal crop payments have stopped flowing. Farmers cannot get federally backed operating loans to buy seed for their spring planting, or feed for their livestock. They cannot look up new government data about beef prices or soybean yields to make decisions about planting and selling their goods in an ever-changing global market.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/us/farmers-trump-administration.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

[Aqua Buddha 14501]

27 minutes ago, bolverk said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/us/farmers-trump-administration.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

They can grow libtard tears.  That should pay the bills, right?

[Biff Tannen 45491]

32 minutes ago, bolverk said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/us/farmers-trump-administration.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

They'll just blame the Dems.  That's their default setting.  The Rs could literally be pissing on their faces and the trumpkins would say the Dems made it happen.

[NameAlreadyInUse 5105]

Just got off a call and we've moved $200k worth of business out of the end of our fiscal year because of the government shutdown.  We are a relatively small company so that's a decent hit to our end of year number, so imagine what the larger corporations are dealing with.  I'm thinking CEO's are going to start having some discussions with Republicans, especially those that are trying to wrap up their fiscal year this month.

[Bama Chick 28596]

I’m sure this is fine.

[Francisco 2.0 32313]

26 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

I’m sure this is fine.
 

That's a feature, not a bug.

 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/us/farmers-trump-administration.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

On top of this, lots of home loans in rural areas are made with USDA programs. So it's affecting those lower and middle income people who are trying to buy homes in many red areas.

[Rimbo 25766]

4 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Because Putin's little bitch, Trump, said he'd shut down the government over this, and Mitch McConnell is Trump's little bitch. Now, I'm no genealogist, but I believe that makes Mitch McConnell Putin's grand-bitch.

[David Dennison 18646]

5 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Well, Senator, your president stabbed Mitch McConnell in the back by refusing to sign a bill that passed both houses of Congress.

That's why.

[Hank Kingsley 20676]

Nothing makes me feel safer than a pissed off air traffic controller.  THANK, YOU DONALD TRUMP!