2023 Republican Government Shutdown: Same Shit, Same Story

[Hugo Stiglitz 23366]

If I’m wrong on Trump declaring a national emergency, and it looks that way, then Trump once again proves himself an incompetent authoritarian.  

I miscalculated his stupidity.  

The savvy authoritarian would threaten national emergency all the way up to the last second and back off only to revive the tactic again when it suits him.

JFC the man is incomprehensibly ignorant.

My crow is in the oven until we get the signed national emergency documents.

[Pig Bellmont 8698]

 

[Ted Lange 16068]

 

[Ted Lange 16068]

Aka, not an emergency but rather subversion of the constitution.  

[Ted Lange 16068]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23366]

There’s some speculation as to if Trump is declaring a new National Emergency or piggybacking off an existing Obama National Emergency regarding the cartels. 

The Obama national emergency froze the assets of the cartels where possible and prohibited doing business with them.  No federal funds were redirected.

[Rockymtnhigh 87]

15 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Has he done it yet? 

I could be wrong but imagine all the praise he will get in the media for not declaring a national emergency at the last minute.

Oh thank you Trump for coming to your senses and not going down this reckless path.  We are so lucky. 

Praise?  It would be more like Democrat chest thumping.  The Democrats get basically open borders for a year and what amounts to amnesty for people already here illegally with the so-called "compromise" that was signed...

The real problem is Congress is not doing their job once again and passing real comprehensive immigration reform....That is what is getting glossed over here...

[yoladu 4079]

15 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Amazing how a president can PLAN a national emergency.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/968850364383596545
 

Edited February 15, 2019 by yoladu

[Hugo Stiglitz 23366]

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

29 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

 

I saw his incompetence coming from 2015.  But I didn't follow it all the way through, to realize he'd have to make up for his incompetence by acting in unconstitutional manners.  But even if I did see that coming, then we'd have to realize his unconstitutional acts are hurt by . . . again . . . his incompetence.  

 

 

Dear Client,

Please do not stand in front of a microphone broadcast to millions and say the exact opposite of what I'm going to have to assert in court.

Sincerely,

Any lawyer.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*(maybe not EMAW tho)

[David Dennison 18768]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

There’s some speculation as to if Trump is declaring a new National Emergency or piggybacking off an existing Obama National Emergency regarding the cartels. 

The Obama national emergency froze the assets of the cartels where possible and prohibited doing business with them.  No federal funds were redirected.

Both of these "emergencies" are examples of things that move me closer to the Brisket camp. They are two perfect examples of our system of government being broken beyond repair and operating in a manner that was never intended by the people who created it.

 

[deech 2255]

I swear.  I can't fathom the next utterly unconstitutional and asinine bitch move this guy will make to feed his ego 

[Goredho 17375]

17 hours ago, Goredho said:

Trump's power (and possibly freedom) is dependent completely on two things 1) the roiling anger of the conservative street 2) their belief that he is the man to win the war they perceive themselves in.  That gives him leverage over the rest of the GOP.  A national emergency over the wall allows Trump to tell his base:

1.  I went to the mat for the wall
2.  It was congress, not I, that failed you
3.  Vote out the dems *and* tepid republicans so we can fully build the wall in 2020

I think its his best political play.  Shut things down again, and he would see his popularity plummet further outside his base.  Just sign off, and he would see his popularity among his base plummet.  This allows him to shore up his base and avoid the negative consequences of a shutdown.  He does not give a shit about the precedent.  He will be long gone before a Dem ever uses it.

Bumping my own shit, because fuck it, shameless self-promotion is all the rage now.  Anne Coulter is right.  Trump couldn't just sign the bill without royally pissing off the base and he couldn't shut things down again without pissing off everyone else.  This national emergency is his out.  He doesn't give a shit if a wall ever gets built.  He cares about whether his base is pissed off and believes in him.  Trump gets impeached with Senate Republicans twisting the knife the moment he loses his base.

[deech 2255]

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Both of these "emergencies" are examples of things that move me closer to the Brisket camp. They are two perfect examples of our system of government being broken beyond repair and operating in a manner that was never intended by the people who created it.

 

I feel like the kid at the end of the Searching for Bobby Fisher movie playing chess against Brisket.  I knew he was right but kept hoping... For some dumb reason. 

[David Dennison 18768]

Just now, Goredho said:

Bumping my own shit, because fuck it, shameless self-promotion is all the rage now.  Anne Coulter is right.  Trump couldn't just sign the bill without royally pissing off the base and he couldn't shut things down again without pissing off everyone else.  This national emergency is his out.  He doesn't give a shit if a wall ever gets built.  He cares about whether his base is pissed off and believes in him.  Trump gets impeached with Senate Republicans twisting the knife the moment he loses his base.

A quick scan of Breitbart leads me to believe that the most virulent portion of his base isn't buying what he's selling. Some are, but many of the comments indicate that they know Trump caved and that the national emergency is nothing more than putting lipstick on a pig. Many of them are pissed.

[Goredho 17375]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

A quick scan of Breitbart leads me to believe that the most virulent portion of his base isn't buying what he's selling. Some are, but many of the comments indicate that they know Trump caved and that the national emergency is nothing more than putting lipstick on a pig. Many of them are pissed.

Good, the biggest threat to his presidency has been the slip in his base numbers associated with the shutdown.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23366]

1 minute ago, Goredho said:

Bumping my own shit, because fuck it, shameless self-promotion is all the rage now.  Anne Coulter is right.  Trump couldn't just sign the bill without royally pissing off the base and he couldn't shut things down again without pissing off everyone else.  This national emergency is his out.  He doesn't give a shit if a wall ever gets built.  He cares about whether his base is pissed off and believes in him.  Trump gets impeached with Senate Republicans twisting the knife the moment he loses his base.

Okay, this take assumes some remarkable things that need recognition.

1. Trump is afraid of his base.

2. Trump’s base can either turn on him or Trump thinks the base can turn on him. 

 

I still think Trump could get away with anything without losing his base. 

[David Dennison 18768]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Okay, this take assumes some remarkable things that need recognition.

1. Trump is afraid of his base.

2. Trump’s base can either turn on him or Trump thinks the base can turn on him. 

I still think Trump could get away with anything without losing his base. 

He'll never lose his base. But his base isn't enough to get him re-elected.

[Goredho 17375]

We'll see, but I think this was Trump's only play that has a chance to avoid the political ramifications of causing another shutdown (piss off the general population) or completely folding on border security (piss off his base).  I hope DD is right in what he's seeing in conservative corners -- that the voices the conservative street tune into and that led them to Trump in the first place are calling this out as a sleight-of-hand to avoid the political consequences of reneging on the border wall campaign promise.  The quickest end to the Trump presidency is an erosion of his base's confidence in him as their champion.

[Nivek 16886]

Could another shutdown seize the purse?

[atomheartbevo 89511]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Okay, this take assumes some remarkable things that need recognition.

1. Trump is afraid of his base.

2. Trump’s base can either turn on him or Trump thinks the base can turn on him. 

I still think Trump could get away with anything without losing his base. 

Trump is the ultimate reality tv star, and reality tv stars are always terrified of losing their audience.  With that said, he does know that his audience isn’t going anywhere as long as he gives them what he and they think they want.  

We mock him when he boasts about ratings in the %40 range.   Guess what?  He never had more than %7-8 of the American public watching his Apprentice showat it’s peak, and even then only the finales. For him, having %30 of the public liking him is a huge ratings win.  

His flippant comments about how he didn’t need to do this makes me think the reality tv part of his personality is 100% in charge, and he knows this won’t survive a judicial review, but it’s exactly what he needed to do to toss a bone to his audience and pretend to fight for them.  

['stache 21778]

39 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Could another shutdown seize the purse?

Sure. The emergency is a constitutional crisis that democrats exist and won some elections and won't let the cheeto god do whatever he wants. It can only be solved by conveying all powers of Congress to the president and installing him for life.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23366]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23366]

I was incorrect.

I will surrender myself to the nearest gulag now.

[Goredho 17375]

Anyone who allows that they are capable of being wrong is a paragon of wisdom and virtue in this day and age.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

So he is pinning the "why now" on 

- increases in family units recently;

- not enough bed to house them.

 

[Francisco 2.0 32355]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I was incorrect.

I will surrender myself to the nearest gulag now.

You were incorrect only because you thought Trump was somewhat normal in a political sense.

As I said yesterday, no one, not even Trump himself, knows what he is going to do (or say) day to day. 

[Guest Lobo]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

I know it's the point of your posting of this photo, but is anyone else more convinced than ever that Kim Jong Un is gay?  NTTAWWT 

But seriously, that's about how comfortable Liberace looked with that many women fawning over him.  And I think both had the same wardrobe designer.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23366]

Yep, Trump has gone Col. Kurtz 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23366]

1 minute ago, Lobo said:

I know it's the point of your posting of this photo, but is anyone else more convinced than ever that Kim Jong Un is gay?  NTTAWWT 

But seriously, that's about how comfortable Liberace looked with that many women fawning over him.  And I think both had the same wardrobe designer.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Kim is gay but I know every public photo of him released is carefully staged to project a certain image.

Like in this one, he’s displayed as an amicable beloved leader. 

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

8 minutes ago, Lobo said:

I know it's the point of your posting of this photo, but is anyone else more convinced than ever that Kim Jong Un is gay?  NTTAWWT 

But seriously, that's about how comfortable Liberace looked with that many women fawning over him.  And I think both had the same wardrobe designer.

Maybe he doesn't like Asian chicks?

[Guest Lobo]

3 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Maybe he doesn't like Asian chicks?

Wouldn't that make the best sequel to "Team America"???.....the ultimate irony.  A homely guy with fame, power, and wealth is literally stuck in a country that is solely populated by the one type of woman he's not attracted to...skinny/malnourished Asian women?  He can't fraternize with other types of women when he travels because it undermines his entire power structure back home as the superior part of the peninsula.  And he can't exactly import hot ass from other ethic groups because the moment anybody goes missing in North Korea, it's international news for months. 

I could see this being a funny Netflix mini-series.  

Edited February 15, 2019 by Lobo

[Hugo Stiglitz 23366]

 

['stache 21778]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Not spending $5B on a wall = open borders. That's where we are with these people. I just can't even wrap my head around how many people are this fucking stupid.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Well that guy doesn't like it, which seems pretty important.

 

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

I haven’t heard Rush Limbaugh speak in probably a decade.

When did he develop a fucking southern accent?

Did he get one by osmosis from listening to dumbfucks from Alabama, Georgia, and the Florida panhandle all day, every day?

[The People’s Elbow 707]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

So THAT’S what Iconoclast sounds like? 

[Message Board User 12391]

 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

This is going to be quite a quandary for SCOTUS. Liberal justices who normally love expanding the power of the executive branch vs conservative judges who normally want to rein it in.

[suddenly shaggy 929]

Senate voting on it now. 7 Republicans apparently oppose. Trump says he'll veto it. 

Edited March 14, 2019 by suddenly shaggy

[Pig Bellmont 8698]

4 minutes ago, suddenly shaggy said:

Senate voting on it now. 7 Republicans apparently oppose. Trump says he'll override the veto. 

We’ll see if Trump really has the balls to veto. Maybe, but GOP in Senate have always been lock step with him in the past

[suddenly shaggy 929]

He'll veto it. Let's hope it helps the senators grow some spine. I'm not optimistic. 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

Romney opposed.  He was who I wondered about from the beginning.  Seemed to be the easiest vote but wouldn't say it.  Just started his term in as an R in a state where he is more popular than the President.  No brainer.

[Pig Bellmont 8698]

59-41 in the senate

 

[Irwin F Fletcher 3550]

Just wanted to say fuck Ted Cruz and his fake ass support of the Constitution. As they say, "everything's bigger in Texas”, he's about as big of a fraud as you can get.

[Rimbo 25890]

49 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

59-41 in the senate

 

Not veto-proof, but pretty damn good given that the GOP has the majority.

[DDD Dad 14272]

So 8 would have to flip?

[hayden_horn 11362]

51 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

59-41 in the senate

 

that's actually kind of a shocking result. dunno if they can get 8 more to override the veto. i can't imagine who else they would get on the right side of this argument.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23366]

Is there a list of the 41 Republicans somewhere?

yes, I’m lazy

Edited March 14, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz