2023 Republican Government Shutdown: Same Shit, Same Story

[Biff Tannen 45594]

45 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Blonde, brunette, redhead...

[atomheartbevo 89511]

8 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Things going well for Team MyKevin
 

 

I'm loving the Republican infighting in the House, and here in Texas.  I've told a few MAGA types that if George Soros is paying off Republicans to fight each other here in Texas and in D.C., he's getting his money's worth.

[atomheartbevo 89511]

2 hours ago, Satchel said:

The TigerDroppings faithful disagree:

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/jasmine-crockett-d-tx/110037229/

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

You guys are just going to love the SEC.

I'm not.  We have plenty of these types already in the SWC Big 12, but it's oh so much worse in the SEC.

[Js1 85165]

10 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm not.  We have plenty of these types already in the SWC Big 12, but it's oh so much worse in the SEC.

 

The current Big 12 has 15 Republican Senators and 1 sorta Democrat Senator and all of the states represented voted for Trump. 7 GOP governors and 1 Dem governor. Of course, the Big 12 will look a lot better when Arizona and Colorado join the fray and add 2 Dem governor, 4 Dem senators and 2 state votes for Biden  

Current SEC has 20 GOP senators and 2 Dem Senators, and 1 state voted for Biden. 9 GOP governors and 2 Dem governors. OU adds another GOP governor, another state that voted Trump and 2 more GOP senators 

Makes you think

Edited September 28, 2023 by Js1

[Born to Run 6568]

I found out all I need to know about SEC fans in Omaha two years ago. Complete trash. MSU fans piss drunk and getting ejected around a bunch of kids. Piggy fan getting up in my face yelling and doing horns down nearly got knocked out reflexively. I wasn't mad, it was just so aggressive and sudden. And Arkansas didn't even make it to Omaha.

Every other fan base was cool as shit, and it's Omaha not football vs a rival.

I hate the move, but $$$.

[Bullneck 19043]

I guess this goes here.  I kind like this gal:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxwFfrrxd5r/?hl=en

[Biff Tannen 45594]

2 hours ago, Born to Run said:

Piggy fan getting up in my face yelling and doing horns down nearly got knocked out reflexively. I wasn't mad, it was just so aggressive and sudden

Lots of this in Tuscaloosa from the youngins. It was more amusing than anything, but aggressive and sudden is a good description. 

[Captainant 27521]

Funny how the same reps playing fuck fuck games in this farcical impeachment hearing are the same fuckers shutting down the government over food stamp programs and a "too woke" military. 

[atomheartbevo 89511]

Sounds like McCarthy doesn't have the votes to stop it.

[Js1 85165]

This whole shutdown is literally because Gaetz hates McCarthy.  

[Brisketexan 104800]

7 minutes ago, Js1 said:

This whole shutdown is literally because Gaetz hates McCarthy.  

And because McCarthy is too much of a chickenshit MAGA to try to build anything resembling a coalition with Dems.  The GQP is, AT BEST, a spineless hostage of low-IQ, zero-integrity grifting terrorists, or -- and I think this is more accurate -- a terrorist movement from top to bottom, with some of the terrorists being breathtakingly stupid and others being breathtaking cowards in suits.

[WhatTheBuck 28730]

Bunch of fucking amateurs who think they can produce their own reality tv show just like Trump did. 

[Js1 85165]

Kevin is willing to "end" the shutdown IF and ONLY IF, Dems agree to 4 border items.  I don't need to tell you how this will go:

1. The Border Wall must be completed.
2. Reforms on who can seek asylum and where.
3. Remain in Mexico policy must be reinstated.
4. A commitment that Cartels and Drugs must be cracked down on must be made.

[WhatTheBuck 28730]

How about we keep the government open so we can pay ICE and Border Patrol?

[Francisco 2.0 32355]

Same shit, different year.

See, this is personal in the Francisco family.  My wife is a fed, and her position is excepted from furlough, so there is no furlough for her---she has to do her job, without pay, until it ends.   It really fucks with her mentally, as it would be to most all of us---to have to go to work, knowing that you will not get paid until the shutdown is over with, no matter how long it takes.  And you just can't decide not to come in to work as some sort of protest.  In her field, it just doesn't work that way.

We aren't paycheck to paycheck, so we aren't in a bind financially over this.  But still, the impact is real.  It's not a vacation, it's the same job she signed up for long ago, with no pay until some date in the future.  What it does to the morale of she and her co-workers is incalculable.  Right now, it's a nuisance.  A week from now, if it is still ongoing, it becomes a problem.  

 

 

[Post Oak 20191]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Kevin is willing to "end" the shutdown IF and ONLY IF, Dems agree to 4 border items.  I don't need to tell you how this will go:

1. The Border Wall must be completed.
2. Reforms on who can seek asylum and where.
3. Remain in Mexico policy must be reinstated.
4. A commitment that Cartels and Drugs must be cracked down on must be made.

This is exactly why they can't let the border go.  It's more valuable to them as a boogie man than a solution.  

I promise the last thing GOP cunts want to fix is the border.  

How else are they going to get a South African racist who's shaped like a mayonnaise bottle with a goatee that 8th graders would laugh at to put a cowboy hat on backwards and rile up his legion of incels.

['stache 21778]

1 minute ago, Post Oak said:

This is exactly why they can't let the border go.  It's more valuable to them as a boogie man than a solution.  

I promise the last thing GOP cunts want to fix is the border.  

How else are they going to get a South African racist who's shaped like a mayonnaise bottle with a goatee that 8th graders would laugh at to put a cowboy hat on backwards and rile up his legion of incels.

The bold is literally all they have to offer anymore. In Oklahoma its about drag queens and "indoctrinating kids" by teaching true history that makes white people uncomfortable. I hate these people with a burning passion. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13558]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

The Border Wall must be completed.

Trump claimed he finished the wall at the CNN town hall they held for him back in May, so one down. 

[horn4life 3758]

4 hours ago, Js1 said:

This whole shutdown is literally because Gaetz hates McCarthy.  

Nope.

It's because McCarthy didn't have the balls to say "fuck you" we can go to 63 votes on the initial speaker election.  But the one thing that is certain is that McCarthy will go down as one of the most cowardly speakers in the nations history.  Just like he flew down to kiss Trumps ring.  Him being speaker is simply more important the entire United States government.  HE is a cow, not a bull, so he can't lead.

 

What sucks is we got great inflation news today and the markets started to move upwards. But the children who added $8 trillion to the debt in 4 years now want to damage the economy.  They are fucking children! Fuck when was the last time the Republicans actually solved a big problem nationally?  When was the last time they even made a proposal that could even remotely possibly pass on anything big?  Just whine, and whine, and spend and spend, the cry about the spending. Repeated again and again.  Hell, I've been waiting 30 years to hear about their healthcare plan!

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by horn4life

[DixonHur 11277]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Kevin is willing to "end" the shutdown IF and ONLY IF, Dems agree to 4 border items.  I don't need to tell you how this will go:

1. The Border Wall must be completed.
2. Reforms on who can seek asylum and where.
3. Remain in Mexico policy must be reinstated.
4. A commitment that Cartels and Drugs must be cracked down on must be made.

Hopefully I can ask this with a bit of amnesty, but what's wrong with these requests/demands?

I mean #1 is a bit of a boondoggle that I don't think is even physically feasible, but I think some sort of enhancement to border security could be agreed to.  The others don't seem that crazy.

I mean personally, I'm for the legalization of all drugs, but I understand that's not happening anytime soon, so I understand #3 in that context.

[Brisketexan 104800]

2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Hopefully I can ask this with a bit of amnesty, but what's wrong with these requests/demands?

I mean #1 is a bit of a boondoggle that I don't think is even physically feasible, but I think some sort of enhancement to border security could be agreed to.  The others don't seem that crazy.

I mean personally, I'm for the legalization of all drugs, but I understand that's not happening anytime soon, so I understand #3 in that context.

On the drug front, I've got an idea....we could create a whole new agency to enforce our drug laws.  Like, an enforcement agency, for drugs. A drug enforcement agency.  And they will focus super-hard on attacking the drug issue, legally.  They'll attack the problem so hard, it'll be like a war, a war on drugs.  Anyway, that's my idea.  We should do that.  I'm 100% certain that it will work, and drugs will lose and go away forever.

['stache 21778]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Kevin is willing to "end" the shutdown IF and ONLY IF, Dems agree to 4 border items.  I don't need to tell you how this will go:

1. The Border Wall must be completed.
2. Reforms on who can seek asylum and where.
3. Remain in Mexico policy must be reinstated.
4. A commitment that Cartels and Drugs must be cracked down on must be made.

 

 

2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Hopefully I can ask this with a bit of amnesty, but what's wrong with these requests/demands?

I mean #1 is a bit of a boondoggle that I don't think is even physically feasible, but I think some sort of enhancement to border security could be agreed to.  The others don't seem that crazy.

I mean personally, I'm for the legalization of all drugs, but I understand that's not happening anytime soon, so I understand #3 in that context.

It's all symbolic and meant to demonize immigrants. Nothing more, nothing less. That's the overriding reason it's nonsense. 

[Dbeasy 15012]

After watching McCarthy’s confirmation process and vote, I’ve concluded that he could be one of the weakest speakers in history. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by Dbeasy

[Longhorn_Fan68 33854]

3 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

After watching McCarthy’s conformation process and vote, I’ve concluded that he could be one of the weakest speakers in history. 

I mean, I cannot claim to be a student of history just merely an armchair qb of history, but if anyone has been weaker then it's remarkable this country still exists.

[bolverk 29486]

17 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I mean personally, I'm for the legalization of all drugs, but I understand that's not happening anytime soon, so I understand #3 in that context.

It's not the migrants who are bringing in the drugs though, so connecting those two issues doesn't make sense.

[Bozo_Casanova 26381]

5 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

After watching McCarthy’s conformation process and vote, I’ve concluded that he could be one of the weakest speakers in history. 

It's not even close.

[DixonHur 11277]

6 minutes ago, 'stache said:

 

It's all symbolic and meant to demonize immigrants. Nothing more, nothing less. That's the overriding reason it's nonsense. 

If that's really it then I think the Dems should just do it.

The people who are going to demonize immigrants are already demonizing immigrants.  I don't see agreeing to these turning large swaths of Dems and Independents against immigrants.  But it might take away one of the biggest talking points the Pubs have...Biden's "open border" policy. 

[DixonHur 11277]

Just now, bolverk said:

It's not the migrants who are bringing in the drugs though, so connecting those two issues doesn't make sense.

I agree, but as @Brisketexan pointed out, we already doing this with the DEA, so what's that harm in agreeing to, checks notes, keep doing it.

I'm probably just being a bit naive.  Or perhaps, I was just conditioned to assumed the GQP demands would be way more outrageous, so these seem pretty tame.  

[Longhorn_Fan68 33854]

lol, border patrol right now

[Brisketexan 104800]

1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

I agree, but as @Brisketexan pointed out, we already doing this with the DEA, so what's that harm in agreeing to, checks notes, keep doing it.

I'm probably just being a bit naive.  Or perhaps, I was just conditioned to assumed the GQP demands would be way more outrageous, so these seem pretty tame.  

Devil will be in the details.  And a lot of devils, of that I'm confident.

[Js1 85165]

8 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

lol, border patrol right now

The finger thing means taxes! 

['stache 21778]

Immigration is easy to fix in my opinion. We have work, the places they're coming from don't. Show up at the border with paperwork to prove your identity. You then get a card that allows you to be here so long as you check in every six months. After 7 years if you're working and stayed out of trouble, you can apply for citizenship. You only get deported if you commit crimes or are otherwise fucking around. 

[horn4life 3758]

McCarthy should have presented some bills with his new and ever evolving demands.  The border is a mess.  But the GOP has blocked funding of judges that could more quickly handle asylum cases and folks would not be here for years without a hearing.  But... they needed tax cuts for millionaires

The funny thing about the Drug Cartels, is that we gave them idea of becoming heavily armed, and dominating regios, and later countries.  We sent arms and created militias in South and Central American during the Reagan and Bush administrations that lit the candle for today's cartels.  Once the CIA money dried up, there was a profitable business for the taking.  We supply so many fucking guns that originate in the US to the cartels, but that's not something the GOP can talk about.  Plus as far as the Cartels go we had a fantastically forward thinking Republican policy when the war on drugs began.  And it's so simple!   .... wait for it......             "Just say No!"  

Immigration was the lowest when Obama was in fucking office!  Because there were 8 years of forward thinking policy that was aimed at trying to work with the countries that refugees were fleeing, to help keep them there.

As for "the wall" why didn't the GOP fund it when they were adding Trillions annually to the debt? Because they don't give a fuck about it, except to cry about their not funding in and blaming... you guessed it the Dems.  Hell White Supremacist Orange Jesus didn't build even 100 miles of new wall... but... dems fault!

The GOP house is most akin to a 4th or 5th grade student government.  They just can't do a fucking thing about anything!  Just whine...

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by horn4life

[bolverk 29486]

12 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I agree, but as @Brisketexan pointed out, we already doing this with the DEA, so what's that harm in agreeing to, checks notes, keep doing it.

I'm probably just being a bit naive.  Or perhaps, I was just conditioned to assumed the GQP demands would be way more outrageous, so these seem pretty tame.  

The spending cuts are the worst parts imo.

The bill failed by a vote of 198-232, with 21 Republicans joining all Democrats to defeat it.  

The measure, which would have kept government funding flowing at vastly reduced levels — cutting spending to most domestic programs by nearly 30 percent — and impose stringent immigration restrictions demanded by conservatives, would not have prevented a shutdown even if it had passed the House, because it was considered dead on arrival in the Democratic-controlled Senate.

Here’s what else to know:

• Mr. McCarthy’s allies have defended his strategy as a way to show the public that he tried to keep the government open, but was foiled by a handful of his far-right members. But the defeat on the House floor was a devastating blow for Mr. McCarthy, whose job is on the line and who has been unable to corral his tiny majority to agree on a measure to head off a meltdown.
• The Republican plan that was blocked on Friday would have kept the government open for 30 days and impose drastic cuts across the board to government programs, except for funding for veterans, homeland security and disaster response. It does not include any military or humanitarian aid for Ukraine, and it would direct the homeland security secretary to resume “all activities related to the construction of the border wall” at the southern border that were in place under former President Donald J. Trump.
• The defeat left the House in an exceedingly weak position to negotiate with the Senate, which is moving ahead with its own, bipartisan short-term funding plan. That bill would continue spending at current levels for six weeks and provide $6 billion in aid to Ukraine and $6 billion for natural disaster relief at home.

[Neonmoon 38127]

Just now, 'stache said:

Immigration is easy to fix in my opinion. We have work, the places they're coming from don't. Show up at the border with paperwork to prove your identity. You then get a card that allows you to be here so long as you check in every six months. After 7 years if you're working and stayed out of trouble, you can apply for citizenship. You only get deported if you commit crimes or are otherwise fucking around. 

The clowns clamoring for border security do not want a solution for immigration. They want to dramatize the problem in order to increase donations. Solving the problem would hurt them. 

[Js1 85165]

 

[bolverk 29486]

Here's the list of the 21 Goppers who rebelled against McCarthy with Texas reps bolded.

Andy Biggs
Arizona 5th

Dan Bishop
North Carolina 8th

Lauren Boebert
Colorado 3rd

Ken Buck
Colorado 4th

Tim Burchett
Tennessee 2nd

Eric Burlison
Missouri 7th

Michael Cloud
Texas 27th

Eli Crane
Arizona 2nd

Matt Gaetz
Florida 1st

Paul Gosar
Arizona 9th

Marjorie Taylor Greene
Georgia 14th

Wesley Hunt
Texas 38th

Nancy Mace
South Carolina 1st

Mary Miller
Illinois 15th

Cory Mills
Florida 7th

Alex X. Mooney
West Virginia 2nd

Barry Moore
Alabama 2nd

Troy Nehls
Texas 22nd

Andy Ogles
Tennessee 5th

Matt Rosendale
Montana 2nd

Keith Self
Texas 3rd

[bolverk 29486]

7 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

The clowns clamoring for border security do not want a solution for immigration. They want to dramatize the problem in order to increase donations. Solving the problem would hurt them. 

Yeah, that's the sideshow distraction. The real one, again, is the draconian spending cuts.

[Brisketexan 104800]

6 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Yeah, that's the sideshow distraction. The real one, again, is the draconian spending cuts.

If they want spending cuts, I propose 100% spending cuts for each of their districts.  They don't want federal spending?  Don't accept any.  Easy-peasy.  I'd draft up a bill saying as much: "All of the following agencies will expend $0 in the following geographic areas: Alabama House districts X, Y, and Z; Arkansas House districts....etc. etc."  Back it up, bitches.  But it's cool, those folks can still pay taxes and still get their money's worth.  We'll earmark all of the tax dollars paid from within those districts for the military.

[DixonHur 11277]

7 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Yeah, that's the sideshow distraction. The real one, again, is the draconian spending cuts.

That's more like what I was expecting.  @Js1's list was just bait.

[Covri 6231]

20 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm not.  We have plenty of these types already in the SWC Big 12, but it's oh so much worse in the SEC.

20 upvotes lol
 

[Js1 85165]

2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

That's more like what I was expecting.  @Js1's list was just bait.

They do this every shutdown. They pair massive spending cuts with draconian border policies to try and get their way. They keep failing miserably and eventually cave. 

I’m sorry you’re so upset by McCarthy and the House GOP’s demands that you get mad at me. That is who they are. I’m just reporting what it being reported. 

[The Original Greaser Bob 2803]

20 hours ago, Js1 said:

The current Big 12 has 15 Republican Senators and 1 sorta Democrat Senator and all of the states represented voted for Trump. 7 GOP governors and 1 Dem governor. Of course, the Big 12 will look a lot better when Arizona and Colorado join the fray and add 2 Dem governor, 4 Dem senators and 2 state votes for Biden  

Current SEC has 20 GOP senators and 2 Dem Senators, and 1 state voted for Biden. 9 GOP governors and 2 Dem governors. OU adds another GOP governor, another state that voted Trump and 2 more GOP senators 

Makes you think

[bolverk 29486]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

They do this every shutdown. They pair massive spending cuts with draconian border policies to try and get their way. They keep failing miserably and eventually cave. 

I’m sorry you’re so upset by McCarthy and the House GOP’s demands that you get mad at me. That is who they are. I’m just reporting what it being reported. 

Yeah, the border stuff is to just rile up the base to get them on board and distract them from the spending that will hurt their constituents who are reliant on federal spending.

[Bozo_Casanova 26381]

25 minutes ago, Js1 said:

 

NYT tomorrow: Democrats in disarray

Edited September 29, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[DixonHur 11277]

11 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I’m sorry you’re so upset by McCarthy and the House GOP’s demands that you get mad at me.

[Born to Run 6568]

Hopefully I can ask this with a bit of amnesty, but what's wrong with these requests/demands?
I mean #1 is a bit of a boondoggle that I don't think is even physically feasible, but I think some sort of enhancement to border security could be agreed to.  The others don't seem that crazy.
I mean personally, I'm for the legalization of all drugs, but I understand that's not happening anytime soon, so I understand #3 in that context.

Do you know how much a complete border wall would coats.

Do you want one running through BBNP?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33854]

30 minutes ago, Covri said:

20 upvotes lol
 

I used to believe that keying a car was a hangable offense, but I suppose there are exceptions to any rule

[Hammerin Hank 1224]

1 hour ago, DixonHur said:

If that's really it then I think the Dems should just do it.

The people who are going to demonize immigrants are already demonizing immigrants.  I don't see agreeing to these turning large swaths of Dems and Independents against immigrants.  But it might take away one of the biggest talking points the Pubs have...Biden's "open border" policy. 

Biden already worked a deal for enhanced border security, and got Mexico to contribute $1.5 billion to it. Republicans just choose to ignore it 

[TheStoicPaisano 9905]