2018 Poker run good or die

[Lurch 5931]

Where do you plan to play a live tourney? Ideally you would find some low buyin tourneys so you can learn the mechanics of live, which are obviously quite different than online. There’s a ton we can tell you, but you’ll get so much more just diving into a cheap tourney

 

[NateHitch 1282]

Either Choctaw or Shreveport/Bossier City most likely

[Lurch 5931]

Check out the PokerAtlas app to find what tourneys are coming up to find some cheaper ones.

Biggest rules to know
-Don’t ever act out of order, particularly folding
-Know the One Chip rule which states that if you put out a single chip, regardless of domination, you are only calling
-Know what the casinos betting line rule is. It varies by casino. In some, making any forward action w chips commits all of those chips as a bet, in others it’s only if you cross a line and in others it’s only if you place them on the table and release them.
-You can avoid messing up with the above two rules by simply stating your intention first, but many prefer to speak as little as possible.
-Use a card protector. A chip is fine. Some people carelessly throw their cards to fold and if they hit yours, you risk having your hand mucked.

You can ask for a count if someone bets chips, but otherwise the dealers cannot tell you how many chips a player has (though you can ask the player to show his chips if they’re behind his hands) or how many are in the pot. Learning to count the pot is a critical skill that you don’t pick up online.

Do your best to bet the exact amount when possible to avoid making the dealer make change. Also, help those around you by making change as needed. If you are about to need change, try to get it from neighbors when you/he are not in a hand.

Don’t talk about your hand while there is still action, even if you’ve folded. We’re obviously being careful not to help/hurt players still in the hand.

There’s a lot more trivial stuff, but again you’d do best to learn by experiencing it yourself in a low stake game.

Good luck and let us know how you do!

[Chewbacca 7780]

Make sure you tank for 1 minute+ every time you have to make a decision.  Your table mates will love you for it.

I'm obviously kidding about that.  Do what Lurch says and you're good for 99% of what you will run into.  The biggie when not acting out of turn is watching out for angle shooters who like to hide their cards under their hands to try and get information from you when you act out of turn (because you can't see their fucking cards).  I can't stand motherfuckers that do this.  So if I'm not sure who is in the hand, I ask them to move their hands because they put their hands in that same place whether they have cards or not.

 

Not a huge deal in the grand scheme, but it bugs the shit out of me.

[NateHitch 1282]

Thanks y'all, lot of stuff from Lurch that I hadn't considered.  I think my biggest issue at first will be keeping on myself to pay attention to bets and pot count.  Might head up to Choctaw on Sunday and see what happens

[Lurch 5931]

It’s easy to get distracted, especially with your phone. Do your best to watch every hand, counting every pot as it goes, even when you’re not in it. Even when on my A game, I probably miss 10% of them, but every detail (who is seeing too many/few flops, who else is paying attention vs distracted, player cbet tendencies, bet sizes, reactions to boards, aggressive/passive actions, who’s tilting and why, etc) from every hand could be critical in your future decisions.

 

[NateHitch 1282]

Yeah phone will be up.  When I play online I put on music and that's it.  I do pay attention to just about everything you said, who's playing a lot of hands, the amount of their bets in relation to pot size, who's super aggressive, super passive and who's just solid.  And then right as I'm typing this I was heads up in a $10 sng, wife calls and I'm playing poker, typing and talking to her while she blabs about the booster club meeting she just left and I hit call when I meant to hit fold and went out with 9-5 offsuit

[Lurch 5931]

Yeah, don’t do that...

Keep in mind, too, that live is 3-4 times slower. That contributes to distraction, too

[AUS-97HORN 11809]

OOOR yeah, do that, win with 9-5o against AA and watch the whole fucking table erupt into chaos..... and btw if that EVER happens, start acting all kinds of crazy, cause the rest of the table is going to try to be in a hand with you everytime.  They assume you are a clown who got lucky ( which is half right), and that you are going to spew chips all over the place.

They will assume you are weak as fuck, and drawing all the time.  So they will pay you off with a real hand everytime.   It does mean you cant bluff unless the obvious straight or flush hits the board on the river.

[Lurch 5931]

I got sucked into Kym’s timeline this morning w this tweet. She’s quite a badass

[CBT 1282]

Yea I bet that's why you got sucked in. 

[CBT 1282]

Good tips from everyone. Also, remember, they always have it. And they never have it. 

[Bookman 4639]

Played in a sit and go last night and actually won two coin flips. On the river no less.

 

[deech 2291]

First game back from quasi-poker retirement after busting the main a few years back.  Cashed out +$575 in one of my friend's 1-1 games.  Why did I ever stop playing again?  LOL.

So two players are hyper-aggressive at the game, player 1 and player 5.  I am in the four seat.  I get dealt 88.  Four big stacks all have +500 bbs.  Player 1 makes it $25 to go,  two people call, I call, and player in seat five calls.  Generally speaking the $25 bet is doing very little to limit the number of players in the pot or the quality of the hands of either hyper-aggressive player. Pot is $125ish.  Flop 8-6-3, two diamonds.   Initial pre-flop raiser fires out $65 bet and next two guys fold.  Hyperaggressive late position guy (and playing very loose - loves getting into hands with the other hyper-aggressive guy who bet $65) already counting out the $65 in his hand to call, but action is to me.  You have $500 or so behind and two hyper-aggressive guys have you covered.   What do you do?  If you raise, how much?   

 

Edited August 9, 2018 by deech

[Chewbacca 7780]

That's a fairly wet flop (especially with 2 really loose players), I think you have to raise.  I'm no expert on how much to raise, though.  If it were me, I'm probably betting ~150.  But maybe that's too small?

[Lurch 5931]

Raise. $65 is too cheap to see another card. Make it $180. Both should stay in, allowing you to jam turn and get at least one caller.

 

[TXSooner518 2438]

I'm calling, no need to slow them down if they are hyper-aggressive. You say the guy counting out the $65 loves playing against the guy who bet. So don't interrupt that, let him keep playing that game. If you raise, he's at least got to pause and think about it and we don't want that. Let him make some drawing dead call with shit like AdQs.  

We would need to raise if the board was wetter, but it's not THAT likely that they have a flush draw, and less likely they have a straight draw. Ask the poker gods to put whatever diamond out that pairs the board.

[TXSooner518 2438]

To expand on this (because I really don't want to do my work task right now):

We should always be asking ourselves what we seek to accomplish with bets or raises.  Generally, we either want worse hands to call or better hands to fold, right? Too often, people make bets where every worse hand folds and every better hand calls.

Here, no better hand can fold, since none exist.  So our goals are to get as much money as possible from worse hands. If the pot was smaller compared to stacks, it would make sense to raise, so as to allow us to get stacks in by the river.  Say instead of 25xBB (lol), the open was 5x.  So the pot is $25 and we are $500 deep.  We need to raise to build the pot.

In this hand, we can get stacks in by the river, no problem at all.  So if we raise, which hands call and which fold?  I think if villains have overpairs, we are generally going to get the money in either way, so raising is equal to calling.  If villains have overcards, they will likely fold to your raise, but may bet again on the turn, and may stack off if they hit their overcard. So in that case, calling >>>>>>>>>>> raising.

I doubt described villains are folding a flush draw to a raise in this spot.  So we aren't "protecting our hand" against a flush draw, or an OESD either. They probably will fold a naked gutshot.  But the chances that 1) one of them actually has a gutshot; 2) it peels off on the turn; 3) the board doesn't pair the river is miniscule at best.  

Since all we are protecting against is a gutshot, these guys are gonna keep shoveling in money until you tell them to stop, and the right turn card earns us hundreds more dollars, let's see the turn.

[Lurch 5931]

I think you’re losing money to folds on a lot of scare turn cards, Sooner. That’s why I want to get them to put more in now. They almost HAVE to call my $180 raise, so even when 7d comes, I’m taking a sizable pot regardless.

[TXSooner518 2438]

What % of their range do you think is calling a raise here, but folding to bad turn cards?  For example, say the guy who led the $65 has TT.  Qx peels turn.  Is this "hyper-aggressive" guy now just check-folding?  

I think they have a lot of unpaired cards in their range on this board that have to fold to $180 now.  They aren't calling with AQ with one diamond for $180.  But if an A, Q or diamond turns, they are never folding.

Also, we have the same issue we had in the chitwood hand.  Raising to $180 with $340 behind looks MEGA strong. We are announcing to two hyper-aggs "YOU HAVE NO FOLD EQUITY".  Hyper-aggs entire strategy is based on leveraging fold equity, so by taking that away when we have the nuts, I think that is the move that leaves too much on the table.  The pot right now is smaller than the turn bet that will often come with literally 0% equity behind it.

To be clear, my answer is based on the description of villains as "hyper aggressive."  Against standard TAG villains, I think a raise has much more merit and will often be the best play.

Also, I like the raise much more if we are in position, and they both already have the $65 in. I think then they price each other in a lot. Here, I worry that the second guy will think twice about cold calling the $180.

Edited August 9, 2018 by TXSooner518

[deech 2291]

This is exactly the back and forth that went through my head at the time.  Villain 1 ($65 guy) had the overpair.  Villian 2 folded when I made it $165 to go.  Villain 1 called.  Turn came a non-flush A.  Checked to me.  I bet $200 into a $410ish dollar pot and villain 1 folded.  Afterwards, I was regretting the loss of value......

[deech 2291]

16 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

What % of their range do you think is calling a raise here, but folding to bad turn cards?  For example, say the guy who led the $65 has TT.  Qx peels turn.  Is this "hyper-aggressive" guy now just check-folding?  

I think they have a lot of unpaired cards in their range on this board that have to fold to $180 now.  They aren't calling with AQ with one diamond for $180.  But if an A, Q or diamond turns, they are never folding.

Also, we have the same issue we had in the chitwood hand.  Raising to $180 with $340 behind looks MEGA strong. We are announcing to two hyper-aggs "YOU HAVE NO FOLD EQUITY".  Hyper-aggs entire strategy is based on leveraging fold equity, so by taking that away when we have the nuts, I think that is the move that leaves too much on the table.  The pot right now is smaller than the turn bet that will often come with literally 0% equity behind it.

To be clear, my answer is based on the description of villains as "hyper aggressive."  Against standard TAG villains, I think a raise has much more merit and will often be the best play.

The more I think about the hand, the more I am convinced this is the right line in terms of maximizing value.  We were all pretty deep though and this was my first game back in a few years so I think I probably overplayed it a bit.

[Lurch 5931]

What % of their range do you think is calling a raise here, but folding to bad turn cards?  For example, say the guy who led the $65 has TT.  Qx peels turn.  Is this "hyper-aggressive" guy now just check-folding?  

Very little, which is good. If I can get them to call my $180, they’ll probably call my turn shove a lot simply for perceived pot odds. Your TT guy is certainly calling my $300 shove on a Qx turn. What if we just called flop and that same Q shows up? I think he can get away from it more often. A, K, any diamond, 2-9, all scare him at least a bit

[Lurch 5931]

Curious what you think of OP strategy of raising here, too, to protect your semi bluffs

[CBT 1282]

In a multiway pot, with two lagtards (and OOP to one), raising with a semibluff here seems like burning money. 

[disgustipated 39]

3 hours ago, TXSooner518 said:

What % of their range do you think is calling a raise here, but folding to bad turn cards?  For example, say the guy who led the $65 has TT.  Qx peels turn.  Is this "hyper-aggressive" guy now just check-folding?  

I think they have a lot of unpaired cards in their range on this board that have to fold to $180 now.  They aren't calling with AQ with one diamond for $180.  But if an A, Q or diamond turns, they are never folding.

Also, we have the same issue we had in the chitwood hand.  Raising to $180 with $340 behind looks MEGA strong. We are announcing to two hyper-aggs "YOU HAVE NO FOLD EQUITY".  Hyper-aggs entire strategy is based on leveraging fold equity, so by taking that away when we have the nuts, I think that is the move that leaves too much on the table.  The pot right now is smaller than the turn bet that will often come with literally 0% equity behind it.

To be clear, my answer is based on the description of villains as "hyper aggressive."  Against standard TAG villains, I think a raise has much more merit and will often be the best play.

Also, I like the raise much more if we are in position, and they both already have the $65 in. I think then they price each other in a lot. Here, I worry that the second guy will think twice about cold calling the $180.

I've recently started back myself and so much depends on your assessment of the players in the hand.  I appreciate the quest for a line that yields actualizes highest EV, but also know there is nothing wrong with taking a pot down.  It all depends on how far along you are into a session and the image you have built up to that hand.  I prefer Txsooner's line of smoothing there, especially if you think the guy behind you is calling.  I think preflop raiser had at best JJ(doubtful) but more likely was just C betting KQ, KJ OTF since he folded to your turn bet or flush or back door flush draw.

[po elvis 2075]

just returned from vegas for work. played some poker for 4 days. hit 3 high hands in cash games. quad 7's, quad 2's, and a royal flush. $50, $50, and $300 bonuses.

[Chewbacca 7780]

38 minutes ago, po elvis said:

just returned from vegas for work. played some poker for 4 days. hit 3 high hands in cash games. quad 7's, quad 2's, and a royal flush. $50, $50, and $300 bonuses.

All you got was $400 for all of those?  Ouch.  Nice hands, though.  Hopefully you took some nice pots with them.

[bigup2dahorns 3343]

I’ve never hit a high hand bonus. Was recently playing in Florida where they were giving out $1,000 for the high hand every 30 mins

[Lurch 5931]

Yeah, we get some impressive ones at BestBetJax. They did a Christmas in July event that had $1500-$2500 high hands every hour for 8 hours a day for like a week.

[NateHitch 1282]

4th place in a $25k guaranteed tourney last night, took down $2700. Had AK, K on the flop and ran into pocket aces from the chip leader. Oof. Went to bed pissed, would have put me in 2nd place, but what can you do.

[Lurch 5931]

Don’t be pissed, that’s the game.

Nice score!

[CBT 1282]

GG WP

[NateHitch 1282]

Wasn't a fun tourney by any stretch. Limped into the money, hit a few hands and limped into the final table. Won a few coin flips and took 2 people out and then ran into a buzzsaw but looking back it was probably the most patient I've ever played, really happy with the outcome. Been a miserable poker day today, busted out of a $10k guaranteed and a few sng's but managed one 2nd place so that was nice

[Bill Brasky 1449]

I got in 2 quick sessions in Vegas over the last week.  Intended to get in a small tourney or two but never did.  Session 1 playing 1/2 NL at Caeser's for about 3 hours.  Nothing really remarkable took place and I broke even.   Went to dinner and had an hour to kill before a show.  Went back to play 1/2 NL but they didn't have any seats available but said there was a 2/5 seat there.  I buy in for $300 and before my chips even make it to me I"m first to act looking at QQ.  I raise to $40 and get 2 callers.  Flop is 4c Qc Kd.  BB bets $60 so I just jam it all in to and get 1 caller with AK offsuit, BB folds.   Turn and river are both blanks so I take it down.  After about 15 minutes they said there was a 1/2 seat open but I just stayed there.  Had one other decent pot for around $200 that I won from the same guy that called my all-in previously.   I left a few hands later to go to Absinthe.  Never played again the rest of the trip. 

[deech 2291]

Anyone play in El Paso or have any recommendations?  

[Bookman 4639]

I made a very stupid play yesterday in a 1/2 game, and lost 80% of my stack. Guy to my right was raising 50% of the hands he was playing, and he raised to $15 in the SB after everyone limped. I looked down at 8-9 of clubs and called. five or six other people called, including the button with 2-2.

Flop was 2-8-8, two diamonds. SB shoves for $80.00. For some reason I decided to shove, and of course got called by the button's full house. Runout was J, Q.

Goodbye chips.

[Lurch 5931]

It was getting all in anyway

[Bookman 4639]

I’m not sure. I was pretty deep.

[Lurch 5931]

You call the $80 and button also calls.

$315 in the pot. J (non diamond?) comes, you both check

Q (non diamond) comes, you bet $150, he shoves.

[TXSooner518 2438]

I’m not sure. I was pretty deep.

How deep were you and button? I would have a hard time beating yourself up on this one.

[pearlandhorn 3274]

I went to Mint Poker in Webster (Houston suburb) on Saturday night to play in their $100 NL tournament that started at 7.  Got there about 6:15 and bought in for $300 at a $1/3 table.  Plenty of people at my table had well over $2000 on their stack.  I'm in BB about 4th hand and look down at AdAh.  Early position raise to $25 with 3 callers.  I raise in BB to $110 and everybody folds (Lurch - sizing on this?  Could I have gone bigger?).  Damn.

Left up about $50 after about an hour and went over to the tournament.  First level - action folds to me (we were at the 100/200 blind level) and I raised to 800 with AdAh on the button.  BB calls (after the hand, I have no idea why he doesn't 3-bet me) K74ddd flop.  He bets 1400, I raise to 5k and he snap shoves, I snap call and roll over my hand.  He rolls over his hand and it's AcKh. I hold.  I have no idea why he didn't 3-bet me out of the big blind (maybe Lurch or TXSooner can explain that to me).  He barely covered me so I doubled up (really wish I had him covered as there was a $25 bounty).

Still salty about this one:

I'm in middle position and look down at...yeah...pocket aces again.  We're at the 400/800 level at this point and I've got 3rd largest stack at the table (28k in chips total).  UTG opens for 1800, one caller, all other actions folds to me and I 3-bet to 5600.  UTG is chip leaders and 4-bets to 14k.  Next player groans and shoves all in and I think for a minute and come to the conclusion that UTG isn't folding regardless of what I do so I shove.  UTG calls so we've got 3 AIPFs.  UTG says if I have aces then I'm ahead.  No shit dude.  I don't think it's possible to be behind with pocket aces preflop.  Fucking aggy.  UTG has pocket kings and UTG+2 has pocket 5's.  Really - shoving on a 4-bet from the chip leader with pocket 5s?

King in the window on the flop and aces get cracked.  I'm still salty about the run bad.  Oh well.  Went to get back in to the $1/3 but there were about 10 people in front of me so I went home.

I'll probably go back and play in the tournament in the future.  Hard to believe I got pocket aces 3 times in about 2 hours.

[Lurch 5931]

I went to Mint Poker in Webster (Houston suburb) on Saturday night to play in their $100 NL tournament that started at 7.  Got there about 6:15 and bought in for $300 at a $1/3 table.  Plenty of people at my table had well over $2000 on their stack.  I'm in BB about 4th hand and look down at AdAh.  Early position raise to $25 with 3 callers.  I raise in BB to $110 and everybody folds (Lurch - sizing on this?  Could I have gone bigger?).  Damn.

 

3x the opener ($75) is fairly standard 3-bet, but with three callers I might have made it $100. $110 seems fishy and might have contributed to a fold or two. There’s a theory that a confident bettor will go above $100 ($110) and a scared better will go below it ($85) when in that range. No worries, easy $100 profit.

 

Left up about $50 after about an hour and went over to the tournament.  First level - action folds to me (we were at the 100/200 blind level) and I raised to 800 with AdAh on the button.  BB calls (after the hand, I have no idea why he doesn't 3-bet me) K74ddd flop.  He bets 1400, I raise to 5k and he snap shoves, I snap call and roll over my hand.  He rolls over his hand and it's AcKh. I hold.  I have no idea why he didn't 3-bet me out of the big blind (maybe Lurch or TXSooner can explain that to me).  He barely covered me so I doubled up (really wish I had him covered as there was a $25 bounty).

Standard open early levels is 3x (so 600 rather than 800) and later is 2.2-2.5x), FWIW. Heads up, I too just call you in BB preflop. Out of position with the chance to smash flop and chk raise you or bail. His donk bet snap shove line was poor, imo. Some guys like to do that early and either double up or rebuy.

 

Still salty about this one:

I'm in middle position and look down at...yeah...pocket aces again.  We're at the 400/800 level at this point and I've got 3rd largest stack at the table (28k in chips total).  UTG opens for 1800, one caller, all other actions folds to me and I 3-bet to 5600.  UTG is chip leaders and 4-bets to 14k.  Next player groans and shoves all in and I think for a minute and come to the conclusion that UTG isn't folding regardless of what I do so I shove.  UTG calls so we've got 3 AIPFs.  UTG says if I have aces then I'm ahead.  No shit dude.  I don't think it's possible to be behind with pocket aces preflop.  Fucking aggy.  UTG has pocket kings and UTG+2 has pocket 5's.  Really - shoving on a 4-bet from the chip leader with pocket 5s?

King in the window on the flop and aces get cracked.  I'm still salty about the run bad.  Oh well.  Went to get back in to the $1/3 but there were about 10 people in front of me so I went home.

I'll probably go back and play in the tournament in the future.  Hard to believe I got pocket aces 3 times in about 2 hours.

 

Run better, imo.

 

Also, depending on stack sizes 55 may have been priced in. He was 17% to win.

[disgustipated 39]

Six sessions into my return to weekend rounding (5 sits @ 1/3 Winstar and 1 sit @ 2/5 Choctaw during recent WPT event).   One notable hand in a recent session, I literally made a lady who had just sat down stand up and leave our table. Kicker is she wasn’t even involved the hand.  It was towards the end of the session; I got KK in MP and made the table standard 5x raised to $15.  Fold to the Button who flatted.  Im 2.5x villain’s stack, who after several rebuys is finally starting to gain momentum, but seeing a ton of flops.  Heads up to the flop 5,7,9 no flush.  I make a pot bet with intent to take down and move to the next hand, only to have him three bet me.  Took a couple minutes to think through, and just didn’t think he was capable of making a play.  But set or straight didn’t make sense to me either, as why raise in position with such strength.  In any case it was enough info for me to fold.  I tabled my hand up to show I was laying down KK.  Villain flips over 5,7o.  That is when the lady left. 

Anyhow, here are results and observations thus far.  I would appreciate ya’lls feedback.  Booked wins in all sessions with an avg. hourly rate of around $41.  Playing pretty disciplined TAG. Not trying to be table captain, but taking advantage of spots to take pots, especially late in sessions when my image is established and people start to fear having me in their pots.  As illustrated above, I feel like I am reading tables really well, but admit and give credit to the fact I have been fortunate in table assignments.  Limiting my sits to 8 – 10 hrs, but notice that I am ending the sessions below peak.  All Winstar sessions were Saturday nights, the Choctaw was a friday.

[pearlandhorn 3274]

6 hours ago, Lurch said:

 

3x the opener ($75) is fairly standard 3-bet, but with three callers I might have made it $100. $110 seems fishy and might have contributed to a fold or two. There’s a theory that a confident bettor will go above $100 ($110) and a scared better will go below it ($85) when in that range. No worries, easy $100 profit.

 

 

Standard open early levels is 3x (so 600 rather than 800) and later is 2.2-2.5x), FWIW. Heads up, I too just call you in BB preflop. Out of position with the chance to smash flop and chk raise you or bail. His donk bet snap shove line was poor, imo. Some guys like to do that early and either double up or rebuy.

 

 

 

Run better, imo.

 

Also, depending on stack sizes 55 may have been priced in. He was 17% to win.

Tyty lurch.

[Lurch 5931]

Not sure I agree with the logic of a pot bet there, but good lay down. I prob just open 15 on the flop and call his raise and check call down.

[disgustipated 39]

I understand your point on pot bet,  its a older less popular line of play these days from when I started playing.  I hate giving odds on draws especially knowing he is playing a wide range to get unstuck.  If he smooths I probably still lead turn but not as hard, like 1/2 to 3/5 pot.  That said even on a smooth, the worst he could have would be a pair with a gutter and/or some back door flush draw.  In any case, I pretty much pegged him as really not capable of making a move.      

Are you still tracking your sessions?  How long are your sits?  All mine thus far have also been on a new table.  I try and get up 3 to 5 times in a session to reset myself.  Games have been pretty soft thus far.  Much easier than the 1,2,5 game I was playing at a local room.  I'm still building the bank roll and might considering moving up once I get to 10. Im in no hurry.

 

[Lurch 5931]

I’m taking some time off post WSoP. I was doing 6-10 hour sessions, usually getting up for 10 min walk every 2-3 hours. Definitely need that mental reset.

[TXSooner518 2438]

On 8/20/2018 at 10:21 AM, pearlandhorn said:

I went to Mint Poker in Webster (Houston suburb) on Saturday night to play in their $100 NL tournament that started at 7.  Got there about 6:15 and bought in for $300 at a $1/3 table.  Plenty of people at my table had well over $2000 on their stack.  I'm in BB about 4th hand and look down at AdAh.  Early position raise to $25 with 3 callers.  I raise in BB to $110 and everybody folds (Lurch - sizing on this?  Could I have gone bigger?).  Damn.

Left up about $50 after about an hour and went over to the tournament.  First level - action folds to me (we were at the 100/200 blind level) and I raised to 800 with AdAh on the button.  BB calls (after the hand, I have no idea why he doesn't 3-bet me) K74ddd flop.  He bets 1400, I raise to 5k and he snap shoves, I snap call and roll over my hand.  He rolls over his hand and it's AcKh. I hold.  I have no idea why he didn't 3-bet me out of the big blind (maybe Lurch or TXSooner can explain that to me).  He barely covered me so I doubled up (really wish I had him covered as there was a $25 bounty).

Still salty about this one:

I'm in middle position and look down at...yeah...pocket aces again.  We're at the 400/800 level at this point and I've got 3rd largest stack at the table (28k in chips total).  UTG opens for 1800, one caller, all other actions folds to me and I 3-bet to 5600.  UTG is chip leaders and 4-bets to 14k.  Next player groans and shoves all in and I think for a minute and come to the conclusion that UTG isn't folding regardless of what I do so I shove.  UTG calls so we've got 3 AIPFs.  UTG says if I have aces then I'm ahead.  No shit dude.  I don't think it's possible to be behind with pocket aces preflop.  Fucking aggy.  UTG has pocket kings and UTG+2 has pocket 5's.  Really - shoving on a 4-bet from the chip leader with pocket 5s?

King in the window on the flop and aces get cracked.  I'm still salty about the run bad.  Oh well.  Went to get back in to the $1/3 but there were about 10 people in front of me so I went home.

I'll probably go back and play in the tournament in the future.  Hard to believe I got pocket aces 3 times in about 2 hours.

What were the stacks of the players who had called the $25 on the first AA hand?  I don't mind the sizing, it allows us to reasonably shove any flop with a caller (shoving $190 into $270).  Like Lurch said, hey we increased our stack by 33% with zero risk, there are worse results.

On the second AA hand, yeah, that's a pretty big raise pre.  If you are 3betting against a 4x open, and you are out of position, you are going to have to go to somewhere in the 12-15xBB range. Now we have built a huge pot out of position, and are going to dislike 2/3 of flops.  Also if we get 4bet, things are very bad now.  How deep were stacks in this hand, 20k?

In addition to that, lots of players will wait to raise AK until they see a flop.  I will also just call a raise with AK depending on players/stacks/etc from time to time, which gives you a very disguised hand when you flop an A or K.  

I don't prefer your flop raise, because we aren't scared of any turn card.  Lots of people when they donk out into the raiser, they are trying to "find out where they are" and will then fold to a raise.  Again it depends some on how deep we are.  Him shoving over your flop raise is pretty gross. 

What was the 55 guy's stack?  That definitely sounds really bad.

On 8/20/2018 at 12:12 PM, Lurch said:

 

3x the opener ($75) is fairly standard 3-bet, but with three callers I might have made it $100. $110 seems fishy and might have contributed to a fold or two. There’s a theory that a confident bettor will go above $100 ($110) and a scared better will go below it ($85) when in that range. No worries, easy $100 profit.

 

 

Standard open early levels is 3x (so 600 rather than 800) and later is 2.2-2.5x), FWIW. Heads up, I too just call you in BB preflop. Out of position with the chance to smash flop and chk raise you or bail. His donk bet snap shove line was poor, imo. Some guys like to do that early and either double up or rebuy.

 

 

 

Run better, imo.

 

Also, depending on stack sizes 55 may have been priced in. He was 17% to win.

55 simply has to fold when he has called 1800, then it gets 3b to 5600 and 4b to 14k unless he has like 4k total or something, in which case he should have just ripped over the initial raise instead of flatting.  Agree bigly to the rest.

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 I got KK in MP and made the table standard 5x raised to $15.  Fold to the Button who flatted.  Im 2.5x villain’s stack, who after several rebuys is finally starting to gain momentum, but seeing a ton of flops.  Heads up to the flop 5,7,9 no flush.  I make a pot bet with intent to take down and move to the next hand, only to have him three bet me.  Took a couple minutes to think through, and just didn’t think he was capable of making a play.  But set or straight didn’t make sense to me either, as why raise in position with such strength.  In any case it was enough info for me to fold.  I tabled my hand up to show I was laying down KK.  Villain flips over 5,7o.  

You mentioned making a pot-sized bet because villain has a wide range. Against someone who has a wide range I would bet smaller to allow him to call with his T7 with backdoor flush or 66 or JT backdoor flush. We murder his range so no need to isolate ourselves against the very top of it.

And he can't three-bet the flop, he can only raise the flop. If you then raised again, that would be a three-bet.

Nice fold, and good sessions!

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45 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

And he can't three-bet the flop, he can only raise the flop. If you then raised again, that would be a three-bet.

Nice fold, and good sessions!

how I read this portion of Sooner's post: