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BamaATL
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This is barely being covered by our media, and it's shameful.  We are about to see either a revolution, or a blood bath, either way, it's deserving of serious scrutiny.  

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And emblematic of the new cold war.  Authoritarian states vs.....not authoritarian states.  And the creeping ideology of authoritarianism making inroads among the opposition (Hungary, far-right moveme

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14 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Craziest thing is, Maduro drops one trans-phobic remark, and Elon would be sucking his dick AND funding his army of oppressors ... overnight!

Elon is your base, Holmes.

This.  Make Maduro a right-leaning authoritarian, saying and doing all the same shit, adding in a "and end wokeness" or some shit, and Elon would be backing and protecting him.  Maduro isn't very good at this.  Elon is there for the taking.

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So now the legal justification.

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuela’s top prosecutor on Monday announced a criminal investigation against the opposition’s presidential candidate Edmundo González and its leader Maria Corina Machado over their call on the armed forces to abandon their support for President Nicolás Maduro and to stop repressing demonstrators.

Attorney General Tarek William Saab’s statement tied the investigation directly to a written appeal the two members of the opposition sent hours earlier about Maduro and the demonstrators who have come out in force to defend their votes in the July 28 election.

Saab, in a written announcement posted on the social media site X, said the duo “falsely announced a winner of the presidential election other than the one proclaimed by the National Electoral Council, the only body qualified to do so” and they openly incited “police and military officials to disobey the laws.”

https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-election-armed-forces-maduro-gonzalez-763defac84e8234ff36e0dc6182efdf7

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23 minutes ago, immamac said:

If there was ever a time to go fuck shit up somewhere it would be no and in Venezuela. 

well ever since Noriega passed away, license plates have been way behind, perhaps we have found a suitable replacement.   Maybe Maduro will surrender after 30 hours of def leppard, or in more modern times we may need to up the ante with some black eyed peas.  

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I would go with Hanson but that is cruel and unusual punishment.

Going in would not accomplish much at all. Remove a shithead and his cronies, who would somehow get out first and go into exile. They are not hated like Saddam. They could get away.

Caracas would become the next Port Au Prince.

 

@Braff Zacklin  How did the people fail? They went out and voted. It is up to them to finish it. But most will leave. Don't expect and Arab spring or uprising like Iraq to happen. Latin Americans don't really like martyrdom. You cannot brag in the bar or watch baseball (in Venezuela's case) if you are dead.

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7 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

@Braff Zacklin  How did the people fail? They went out and voted. It is up to them to finish it. But most will leave. Don't expect and Arab spring or uprising like Iraq to happen. Latin Americans don't really like martyrdom. You cannot brag in the bar or watch baseball (in Venezuela's case) if you are dead.

This is pure balderdash. They voted; they were ignored. As you wrote yourself, it is up to them to finish it, but they won't. Ergo, they've failed themselves.

Latin American countries gained their independence from imperialism through revolution. They will have to do the same if they want freedom from dictators and despots.

Bad leaders hold on to power the same everywhere--through violence and intimidation. And, yes, nobody wants to die. "Better to live on one's feet than die on one's knees," or something like that -- The Old Man from Catch 22.

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16 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

This is pure balderdash. They voted; they were ignored. As you wrote yourself, it is up to them to finish it, but they won't. Ergo, they've failed themselves.

Latin American countries gained their independence from imperialism through revolution. They will have to do the same if they want freedom from dictators and despots.

Bad leaders hold on to power the same everywhere--through violence and intimidation. And, yes, nobody wants to die. "Better to live on one's feet than die on one's knees," or something like that -- The Old Man from Catch 22.

It really depends on your perspective. For some, half an enchilada and the world falls down. For others, half an enchilada makes the world go round.

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1 hour ago, Braff Zacklin said:

This is pure balderdash. They voted; they were ignored. As you wrote yourself, it is up to them to finish it, but they won't. Ergo, they've failed themselves.

Latin American countries gained their independence from imperialism through revolution. They will have to do the same if they want freedom from dictators and despots.

Bad leaders hold on to power the same everywhere--through violence and intimidation. And, yes, nobody wants to die. "Better to live on one's feet than die on one's knees," or something like that -- The Old Man from Catch 22.

Yes. And then kept electing Caudillos. The qoute is not from some damn yanqui BTW. Even stealing Latin American sayings.

EMILIANO ZAPATA: “PREFIERO MORIR DE PIE QUE VIVIR DE RODILLAS”
 
 
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Yeah, talk is cheap, slogans even cheaper.

Did see a headline on WSJ (behind paywall) suggesting the US is talking to Maduro about not prosecuting him if he goes into exile. That is what I have expected will happen. Then shit gets real and watch all the factions go for the upper hand.

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1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

Yeah, talk is cheap, slogans even cheaper.

Did see a headline on WSJ (behind paywall) suggesting the US is talking to Maduro about not prosecuting him if he goes into exile. That is what I have expected will happen. Then shit gets real and watch all the factions go for the upper hand.

What is possible for Biden to push here in the last 6 months of his tenure?

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

What is possible for Biden to push here in the last 6 months of his tenure?

A freebie out. He is not the legitimate president and he knows it.

1 hour ago, swraith said:

As long as Maduro maintains support/control of the Venezuelan military, I don’t see why he would leave power. 

As long as he has control of the Captains and Lieutenants. And that is the first to go in these situations.

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5 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

What is possible for Biden to push here in the last 6 months of his tenure?

If things go south for Maduro, and these things always go slow until they don't, then he might not get out alive, or at best ends up like Pinochet, under house arrest (and then let out two weeks before dying of ill health).

Maduro most likely has plenty of money stashed abroad, and the US maybe counting on him wanting to live out his life in a nicely-furnished Miami condo, instead of constantly looking over his shoulder and wondering which guard or military officer is going to kill him.

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Nope. Not the US. Part of the deal would be release his assets. Well we would tell him we would.

He would go to Sochi. Do the Russian TV circuit. His options are Havana (which I would pick), Nicaragua (Lake shark might eat you), Iran (No rum and Baseball), Norks (Nah, even he would not like their dancing) or Russia. Putin gives him some wife of a dead General and eventually he falls out of a window.

His kids would be allowed to travel, etc. They could end up in the Spring Semester at UM or pick to go into exile in a place like the DR. Lot of Latin American exile kids end up there. Both Torijjos's granddaughter and Noriega's daughter lived there and were besties. They had multiple year, multiple US visas and Noriega's kid had a nice apartment in the Grove. Damn those were some fun days. (sorry, no pics, pre-smart phone.)

Latin American dictators don't get the Mussolini treatment. They go into exile.

 

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This message is for you, who do not recognize yourself in today's Venezuela, who are tired of having your family separated, who voted and want what you decided on July 28 to be respected.

See you next Saturday the 17th at the Great World Protest for the TRUTH. Get active in your city and share this video with everyone you're going to invite to go together that day Remember: #GanóVzla .

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Shes a bit rude,, but I like the message,

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Again, it really will depend on 1 group. The young officers. They have the weapons, the troops, and as long as the same colonels and generals remain there is no upward movement.

Plus, they don't make a lot. Their families bitch about the economy, etc and they listen. And then they hear the troops. The figure head might be a Colonel, but he will have the support of younger officers.

Will he leave? I think so, but the conditions are not there yet. And these marches mean shit to him. He will send in the collectivos backed by anti-riot police advised by Cubans to mess up any momentum. Arrest enough to send a message, disrupt the opposition, but not enough to 1- end it, 2- overburden his prison system, and 3- create enough anger leading to a popular rebellion.

Don't see him getting killed. I see exile in his future.

 

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6 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

There's going to be some Pinochet level atrocities.

I don't think it escalates to that level or Argentine Dirty war (funny how those fucks get a bye a lot of times, and were a lot worse. Plus they managed to wreck the economy AND go to war with England. But all good, they won the World Cup.)

Pinochet- (17 years)

Pinochet believed these operations were necessary in order to "save the country from communism". In 2011, the commission identified an additional 9,800 victims of political repression during Pinochet's rule, increasing the total number of victims to approximately 40,018, including 3,065 killed.

Argentine Junta- (9 Years)

It is estimated that between 22,000 and 30,000 people were killed or disappeared, many of whom were impossible to formally document due to the nature of state terrorism;[21][12][10] however, Argentine military intelligence at the time estimated that 22,000 people had been murdered or disappeared by 1978.[22]

Wiki is the source for both, so poke holes all you want, or go dig one.

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5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

This message is for you, who do not recognize yourself in today's Venezuela, who are tired of having your family separated, who voted and want what you decided on July 28 to be respected.

See you next Saturday the 17th at the Great World Protest for the TRUTH. Get active in your city and share this video with everyone you're going to invite to go together that day Remember: #GanóVzla .

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Shes a bit rude,, but I like the message,

Me: I should become more informed about Latin American politics….

What I end up doing:

Happy James Corden GIF by The Late Late Show with James Corden

 

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42 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

I don't think it escalates to that level or Argentine Dirty war (funny how those fucks get a bye a lot of times, and were a lot worse. Plus they managed to wreck the economy AND go to war with England. But all good, they won the World Cup.)

Pinochet- (17 years)

Pinochet believed these operations were necessary in order to "save the country from communism". In 2011, the commission identified an additional 9,800 victims of political repression during Pinochet's rule, increasing the total number of victims to approximately 40,018, including 3,065 killed.

Argentine Junta- (9 Years)

It is estimated that between 22,000 and 30,000 people were killed or disappeared, many of whom were impossible to formally document due to the nature of state terrorism;[21][12][10] however, Argentine military intelligence at the time estimated that 22,000 people had been murdered or disappeared by 1978.[22]

Wiki is the source for both, so poke holes all you want, or go dig one.

"Save the country" rhetoric hits pretty close to home these days.

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Lula chiming in.

SAO PAULO (AP) — Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva said Thursday morning that he still doesn’t recognize Nicolás Maduro as the winner of last month’s presidential election in Venezuela, and that his counterpart could call for a new vote “if he has good sense.”

“Maduro still has six months left in his term. He is the president regardless of the election. If he has good sense, he could call upon the people of Venezuela, perhaps even call for new elections, create an electoral committee and allow observers from around the world to monitor,” Lula said in an interview with Radio T.

He also said that Maduro still owes an explanation to Brazilians and the rest of the world.

https://apnews.com/article/brazil-lula-venezuela-election-maduro-1c3afbf01f4c85e7903c2fc3d7fdbf38

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