Latinos -- A Misunderstood Voting Bloc?

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7 minutes ago, Pancho Negro said:

Against Blacks in general of American Blacks?  Because I know Black Africans have a disdain for American Blacks for a whole host of reasons. 

American Blacks, disdain is a good description of his attitude regarding American Blacks. It was pretty shocking to hear his words based on the fact he was a black dude, granted he was Nigerian black.

[Catdaddyhorn 3,447]

Against Blacks in general of American Blacks?  Because I know Black Africans have a disdain for American Blacks for a whole host of reasons. 

Like what? Did you learn that from all those Africans in Gainesville?

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7 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

29 minutes ago, Pancho Negro said:

Against Blacks in general of American Blacks?  Because I know Black Africans have a disdain for American Blacks for a whole host of reasons. 

Like what? Did you learn that from all those Africans in Gainesville?

Maaaan, let me tell you about dem Africans in Gainesville....

[Pancho 45,062]

In regards to the OP...

I’m friends with Latinos who come from conservative/republican families (they themselves don’t identify as such). 

What’s crazy is none of them know each other yet the reasoning of their parents, grandparents, and other family members supporting conservative/republican issues is oddly similar.  Essentially, their family doesn’t want to be associated with those trying to come to America (good movie) because the perception is those people are poor, trash, don’t work, and make America unsafe.  So they don’t want to be associated with that and instead want to be looked at as clean, hard-working, and American.  From what I can deduce, the perception is if they support Latinos trying to come here from Mexico and Central America, then others will associate them as the same type of person solely because of their skin color, race, and/or ethnicity.  They “made it” so they don’t want to even have the possibility of being placed in that category. 

Fucked up, but I get it. 

I argue Black republicans have the same “logic.”

 

[Catdaddyhorn 3,447]

American Blacks, disdain is a good description of his attitude regarding American Blacks. It was pretty shocking to hear his words based on the fact he was a black dude, granted he was Nigerian black.

Trying to connect with white people with some good old fashion racism is a well worn practice for minorities of all persuasions in America.

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1 hour ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Nice post.  Question, if I'm understanding your correctly, by extension, you're saying Latinos or Hispanics are a more diverse minority group (at least politically) than African-Americans or Asian-Americans, two groups who are more aligned in their voting habits.  Any reason for this, other than.... we from all different places?  So are Asian-Americans including having much different language and they are more monolithic in their voting habits.  FTR, I"m not saying that's good or bad, just different.

I don't really know why it is. Just among Mexicans, it's like Canecutter said. There's a fuckton of political division over there, and extreme division among class lines and racial lines.  I do think that if immigration wasn't such a huge issue, and so many openly white-supremacist groups weren't Republican supporters, many more hispanics in this country would vote GOP. I'd go so far as to about half or over half the ones in Texas would vote GOP regularly, easy. Almost entirely due to the influence of Catholicism and the values associated with it. Almost my whole family was republican up until earlier this decade. By then the immigration rhetoric and hate rallies began to turn many of us off. 

 

Edited December 31, 2018 by Helobious

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5 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

It's like people are unaware how many political parties there are in Mexico alone.

Or music styles, or regional cuisines, or languages, or ethnicities. 

I love all the boredom in the presence of un genio aqui. (Veracruz, I believe.)

[tantric superman 4,668]

Plus, we weren't enslaved.

As to the Asian Americans, they are split along generational lines, with the younger generation ripe for the pickings if the right wingers weren't such dumb shits and courted them better.  They assimilate because they are smarter than you.

Already pointed out, once Hispanics speak English and don't rock the boat, they are accepted by Anglos.  And intermarry relatively quickly.

Blacks still have a tougher road to assimilation in white social circles and white businesses.  That may cause more uniformity in voting patterns. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Plus, we weren't enslaved.

As to the Asian Americans, they are split along generational lines, with the younger generation ripe for the pickings if the right wingers weren't such dumb shits and courted them better.  They assimilate because they are smarter than you.

Already pointed out, once Hispanics speak English and don't rock the boat, they are accepted by Anglos.  And intermarry relatively quickly.

Blacks still have a tougher road to assimilation in white social circles and white businesses.  That may cause more uniformity in voting patterns. 

 

 

Hispanics weren't enslaved?  What part of Latin America are you talking about?  There isn't a hectare between Laredo and the Falklands, nor any fucking island in the Carribbean that didn't see slavery between 1492 and 1892.  

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1 hour ago, Lobo said:

Hispanics weren't enslaved?  What part of Latin America are you talking about?  There isn't a hectare between Laredo and the Falklands, nor any fucking island in the Carribbean that didn't see slavery between 1492 and 1892.  

He’s not talking about Latin America at all.

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2 hours ago, tantric superman said:

Plus, we weren't enslaved in the United States.

As to the Asian Americans, they are split along generational lines, with the younger generation ripe for the pickings if the right wingers weren't such dumb shits and courted them better.  They assimilate because they are smarter than you.

Already pointed out, once Hispanics speak English and don't rock the boat, they are accepted by Anglos.  And intermarry relatively quickly.

Blacks still have a tougher road to assimilation in white social circles and white businesses.  That may cause more uniformity in voting patterns. 

 

 

Since people are determined to be obtuse. 

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Following up on the discussion around the Cuban community.  Here is an article about how Florida is basically a red state and one of the dominant reasons is the Latino voting bloc, specifically Cuban-American, which is much more Trump and GOP friendly.

Now the article gives several reasons as to why Florida is slipping away from being purplish, but chief among them are Hispanics or Latinos.  

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Democrats started organizing Latino voters too late, didn’t tailor their message for an increasingly diverse community and ultimately took Latino support for granted, a Florida pollster told about 50 members of the Democratic Hispanic Caucus of Broward County.

Democrats will lose again in 2020 if they don’t move swiftly to win over Hispanics, the pollster, Eduardo Gamarra, told the group. “You just need to start now,” he said.

With the swearing-in last Tuesday of two newly elected Republican leaders, Gov. Ron DeSantis and Senator Rick Scott, Florida has become a more reliably red political bastion, making the path to Electoral College victory that much tougher for the 2020 Democratic nominee....

More unique to Florida is the Republican Party’s success at cutting deeply into the Democrats’ share of the Latino vote.

Hispanic voters in Florida are more ideologically diverse than elsewhere in the country, and Democrats have lagged behind Republicans in understanding the nuances of these voters. According to a post election survey conducted by Mr. Scott’s campaign, which courted the bloc relentlessly, he won 48 percent of the Latino vote.

He and Mr. DeSantis both broadened the traditional Republican pitch to Cubans — that they represent the party of freedom — to woo more recent Central and South American immigrants who have also fled authoritarian regimes. And Mr. DeSantis used Mr. Gillum’s support from Senator Bernie Sanders to label him a “socialist,” which has a more sinister connotation with these more recent émigrés than with many Americans.

 

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19 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Following up on the discussion around the Cuban community.  Here is an article about how Florida is basically a red state and one of the dominant reasons is the Latino voting bloc, specifically Cuban-American, which is much more Trump and GOP friendly.

Now the article gives several reasons as to why Florida is slipping away from being purplish, but chief among them are Hispanics or Latinos.  

 

Cubans are a stand-alone voting bloc.  Hispanics aren't monolithic -- particularly if you lump Cubans into the group.  If you separate them, both Cubans and non-Cuban hispanic voters begin to behave in more monolithic ways.

As a Texas hispanic, I have about as much in common with a Florida Cuban as I do a Midwest farm owner.  I mean, I guess both our names might end in "Z," but that's about it.

[Junior Miller 1,502]

Latinos voting republican is like jews voting Nazi. Do they not realize every republican would gladly make them slaves if they could and looks at them like some subhuman scourge? 

[CooterBrown 18,032]

The driver was Nigerian and holy shit, the guy went on a crazy rant about African-Americans that sounded like it was written by David Duke.

I had a Nigerian Uber driver during the Kavanaugh hearings. He was listening to Fox News radio and ranting that all women lie. It was quite the ride.

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25 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

 

I had a Nigerian Uber driver during the Kavanaugh hearings. He was listening to Fox News radio and ranting that all women lie. It was quite the ride.

 

I had a Cameroonian Uber driver in DC a couple of years ago. We were driving past the Capitol and I apologized for the insanity that Trump had brought to that building, and assured him that good ol' American checks and balances would soon see him out of there. (I was kinda drunk.)

 

"HOHOHO" he answered. "The only way he leave office, is with bullet in his head."

 

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4 hours ago, Junior Miller said:

Latinos voting republican is like jews voting Nazi. Do they not realize every republican would gladly make them slaves if they could and looks at them like some subhuman scourge? 

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With Hispanics expected to become the largest population group in Texas as soon as 2022, new population estimates released Thursday by the U.S. Census Bureau showed the Hispanic population climbed to nearly 11.4 million — an annual gain of 214,736 through July 2018 and an increase of 1.9 million since 2010.

The white population, meanwhile, grew by just 24,075 last year. Texas still has a bigger white population — up to 11.9 million last year — but it has only grown by roughly 484,000 since 2010. The white population’s growth has been so sluggish this decade that it barely surpassed total growth among Asian Texans, who make up a tiny share of the total population, in the same time period.

Texas' growth continues to be a long-term problem hurdling towards the Republicans.  Hispanic will soon be the biggest pop group in Texas and Asian-Americans, who vote in a larger proportion for Democrats are the fastest growing pop block.

Meanwhile in Florida...

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The state’s 2.2 million Hispanic voters make up an outsized portion of Florida’s electorate, and nearly two-thirds voted in 2016 for Hillary Clinton. Last year, Trump’s hard-line immigration policies and rhetoric contributed to sweeping Republican losses around the country as strong Hispanic turnout helped Democrats take the House of Representatives.

But the belief in demographic destiny is dead among Florida Democrats, crushed in November by victorious Trump-backed candidates who more than reversed his 2016 losses among Sunshine State Hispanics. In races decided by the thinnest of margins, Florida’s Hispanic voters swung back to the right just enough to deliver wins to two of Trump’s top allies, keeping the governorship in conservative hands and turning over a Democratic U.S. Senate seat to the Republicans...

Following Trump’s election, Democrats lost 8 percentage points at the top of the ticket. Hispanic turnout nearly doubled compared to the previous midterm election in 2014, but data suggest turnout skewed older and Cuban, a demographic group that votes reliably Republican. Exit polls showed Andrew Gillum and Bill Nelson earning only about 54 percent of the Hispanic vote against Congressman Ron DeSantis and then-Gov. Rick Scott, respectively, in the races for governor and U.S. Senate.

Cubans gonna Cuba.

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On 12/30/2018 at 2:17 PM, Kyle said:

Thanks for the note. Now STFU you stupid racist and let the old white privileged  liberals tell you what to think and how to vote and when to be outraged. YOU’RE OPRESSED DAMMIT WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT!

Way to take a thoughtful post and bring down the discussion with this bullshit. Are you 12?

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On 1/16/2019 at 6:00 AM, Junior Miller said:

Latinos voting republican is like jews voting Nazi. Do they not realize every republican would gladly make them slaves if they could and looks at them like some subhuman scourge? 

But stereotyping is bad right?

[Patrick Bateman 3,933]

Interesting numbers considering the progress made in AZ and Texas.  

Also have different feelings about the police than other minorities.

 

[Bruh Man 3,160]

This is why Trump has toned down his rhetoric re: illegal immigration. His team sees an opening there with Hispanics. This is a fickle voting bloc IMO that Republicans will court in the future.

Edited June 11, 2020 by Bruh Man

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Just remember, the GOP doesn't need 70% of Hispanics to vote for them in order to win, as is the case with the Democrats.  They can win vast swaths of governorships and Senate seats with just ~40% of the Hispanic vote (obviously with other metrics still holding and/or improving).  

Trump knows he can still say the usual shit in Alabama and North Carolina, but the 'Rapist Mexicans, fuck them!' shit doesn't play as well anymore in Texas or Florida.  I have to periodically remind my cousin here in Dripping Springs when she tells me how Trump is right about those illegal immigrant murdering thugs.."Uh, you know our mothers were both from Mexico...right?"  I mean, if you like the guy's judicial appointments, okay.  But he'd literally put my mother in a cage on live television if he thought it would get him 5 more votes in the Midwest.  

[elfenix 34,338]

[/url] Interesting numbers considering the progress made in AZ and Texas.  

Also have different feelings about the police than other minorities.

 

 

Saying Biden is underperforming Clinton with hispanics by double digits is really weird when his performance is down 3 percentage points.

 

 

 

[TwiceHorn 31,554]

Just goes to show that white males aren't the only ones interested in pulling up the ladder behind them.

And, even if Cubans don't think they'll "get their lands back" (a lot of Florida Cubans weren't landed gentry), those that have had a recent brush with a Communist revolution and ensuing dictator become pretty hardcore rightwingers even if they don't really agree with the agenda.  See, e.g. my Hungarian father-in-law.

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Just goes to show that white males aren't the only ones interested in pulling up the ladder behind them.

And, even if Cubans don't think they'll "get their lands back" (a lot of Florida Cubans weren't landed gentry), those that have had a recent brush with a Communist revolution and ensuing dictator become pretty hardcore rightwingers even if they don't really agree with the agenda.  See, e.g. my Hungarian father-in-law.

Some of my in-laws are some of the most racist people I've met. It's probably an interesting case study in brain washing. I've come very close to asking them why they so vehemently support people who view them as subhuman and want to put them in cages. 

Just when I'm about to ask I remember I enjoy getting laid so then I change the subject. 

 

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3 hours ago, Lobo said:

Just remember, the GOP doesn't need 70% of Hispanics to vote for them in order to win, as is the case with the Democrats.  They can win vast swaths of governorships and Senate seats with just ~40% of the Hispanic vote (obviously with other metrics still holding and/or improving).    

Reading this made me flash back to UT and having James Enelow repeating in a monotone voice about 60% of the white vote will clinch.

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7 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Reading this made me flash back to UT and having James Enelow repeating in a monotone voice about 60% of the white vote will clinch.

Ha, I think I had him in 1997 IIRC.  Great callback.  I remember he had some prescient data sets on how a then governor of Texas could become President.  

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3 hours ago, elfenix said:

 

Saying Biden is underperforming Clinton with hispanics by double digits is really weird when his performance is down 3 percentage points.

 

 

 

I didn't say it.... but agree, it would be more apt to say Trump is up 10 points with Latinos since 2016.

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Voto Latino saw a 2750% jump in voter registrations after murder of George Floyd

https://fortune.com/2020/06/12/voter-registration-voto-latino-george-floyd/

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On 6/11/2020 at 3:34 PM, Wanker Bob said:

Some of my in-laws are some of the most racist people I've met. It's probably an interesting case study in brain washing. I've come very close to asking them why they so vehemently support people who view them as subhuman and want to put them in cages. 

Just when I'm about to ask I remember I enjoy getting laid so then I change the subject. 

 

You should know by now that Obama built those cages.

And that Democrats want to keep them poor, low wage and uneducated in the English language.

In 2016 the Democratic candidates were all ancient white people.  The last 6 Republicans in the race were a Black (Carson), an old white guy (Kasich), an old white guy married to a hot immigrant (Trump), an old white guy married to a Hispanic immigrant (Bush) and two Hispanics (Cruz and Rubio).