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There are other contributing factors, but when you start discarding factual information, that's the beginnng of the end.  Because how can you argue, or compromise with somebody who simply refuses for purely political reasons to believe in facts anymore?  The facts are what they are. Insisting that facts are not facts and that Alternative facts are equally as valid as the actual facts is honestly the only way the right wing media can survive.  It's not going to be on the actual facts.

For certain people, life must be black and white to make any sense of it. When you live through that prism, inherently you have to dismiss any information that challenges your view on something. It doesn’t fit within the narrow framework through which you see people, events...everything. Therefore, you either dismiss it out of hand or just make up an alternate view of reality, and then move on with your life.

i remember watching a golf tournament with my Dad and the commentators brought up a poll PGA players took asking them their least favorite fellow pro. bubba Watson was by far the least liked player on tour. My Dad fancies himself a Christian (he doesn’t embody a single virtue that Jesus taught, but he attends church and has a Bible with lots of highlights and notes), so in his view “Bubba Watson is a Christian, therefore he is a great person.” 

Old man goes “I don’t believe that.” Me: “Believe what? That he’s the least liked player on tour?” OM: “I don’t think there was even a poll.” Me: “bubba just commented on the poll and admitted there were things he needed to work on as a person.” OM: “well I think it’s fake.” Ok.

Anything that challenges your narrow views are threats to be dismissed entirely. It is raw ignorance and it’s frightening to witness firsthand. 

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12 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The left wants to regulate firearms. That quote is a factual statement of what happened in Australia when faced with a mass shooting. 

Show me a quote from either Clinton or Obama that calls for confiscating American firearms.

The Australian policy was a confiscatory one. Either your feigning ignorance of this, or you know too little to comment further. 

Obama spoke highly of a confiscatory gun policy.  Hillary disagreed with a Supreme Court decision reaffirming individual gun rights. This isn’t hard. 

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2 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

The Australian policy was a confiscatory one. Either your feigning ignorance of this, or you know too little to comment further. 

Obama spoke highly of a confiscatory gun policy.  Hillary disagreed with a Supreme Court decision reaffirming individual gun rights. This isn’t hard. 

Neither of them advocated confiscating firearms in America. Insinuating that they called for firearms confiscation is disingenuous and typical. 

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41 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The left wants to regulate firearms. That quote is a factual statement of what happened in Australia when faced with a mass shooting. 

Show me a quote from either Clinton or Obama that calls for confiscating American firearms.

Would you say he praised the Australian response?

Btw, here’s a nice quote from Hillary that says it’s “worth considering”. Is that good enough for you?  

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56216331e4b02f6a900c5d67?ec_carp=1473324278548876452

 

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1 minute ago, GRHorn said:

Would you say he praised the Australian response?

Btw, here’s a nice quote from Hillary that says it’s “worth considering”. Is that good enough for you?  

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56216331e4b02f6a900c5d67?ec_carp=1473324278548876452

 

Of course he praised it. He's sane. We should consider all forms of common sense gun control.

This country has a gun problem. It's absurd that conservatives think regulation equates confiscation.

 

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16 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Conservative intransigence on common sense gun control is a big part of the reason why we are where we are.

Earlier you said regulate the shit out of guns. Now you use “common sense gun control”. Are they the same to you?

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Of course he praised it. He's sane. We should consider all forms of common sense gun control.

This country has a gun problem. It's absurd that conservatives think regulation equates confiscation.

 

You’re avoiding the fact that the policy he’s praising is mandatory confiscation. Whether that’s because you’re being disingenuous or just ignorant is up for debate.  Given how you constantly post about politics here I’m gonna go with door #1. 

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48 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

For certain people, life must be black and white to make any sense of it. When you live through that prism, inherently you have to dismiss any information that challenges your view on something. It doesn’t fit within the narrow framework through which you see people, events...everything. Therefore, you either dismiss it out of hand or just make up an alternate view of reality, and then move on with your life.

i remember watching a golf tournament with my Dad and the commentators brought up a poll PGA players took asking them their least favorite fellow pro. bubba Watson was by far the least liked player on tour. My Dad fancies himself a Christian (he doesn’t embody a single virtue that Jesus taught, but he attends church and has a Bible with lots of highlights and notes), so in his view “Bubba Watson is a Christian, therefore he is a great person.” 

Old man goes “I don’t believe that.” Me: “Believe what? That he’s the least liked player on tour?” OM: “I don’t think there was even a poll.” Me: “bubba just commented on the poll and admitted there were things he needed to work on as a person.” OM: “well I think it’s fake.” Ok.

Anything that challenges your narrow views are threats to be dismissed entirely. It is raw ignorance and it’s frightening to witness firsthand. 

This is exactly right and it seems to be worse with the olds that I know. There has been so much change in the world that it’s easier just to block out a lot of things and dig your heels in. Everything is black and white to them and any attempt to show them shades of grey is met with hostility. Many that I know exist in an alternate reality where their only sources of news act as  a confirmation bias.

Youngs are far from perfect but seem to accept that the world is a rapidly changing place and they don’t have the option of just refusing to adapt.

Politicians such as Beto are starting to catch on and not even engage with those people. Your time is better spent with people that are still open to new ideas.

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15 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Of course he praised it. He's sane. We should consider all forms of common sense gun control.

This country has a gun problem. It's absurd that conservatives think regulation equates confiscation.

 

No interest in debating GRHorn or any other gun nut, but was curious what impact Australia’s response had on gun violence/mass shootings.

http://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-did-government-gun-buybacks-reduce-the-number-of-gun-deaths-in-australia-85836

“Tim Fischer was correct when he said there has been “a reduction in gun deaths in this country” since the Howard government introduced stricter gun laws in 1996, and since the 1996 and 2003 gun buybacks took place.

In the two decades following the reforms, the annual rate of gun deaths fell from 2.9 per 100,000 in 1996 to 0.9 per 100,000 in 2016. 

Does research show that the 1996 and 2003 gun buybacks had “no effect” on that reduction in firearm deaths, as Diana Melham said? First of all, it’s not possible to disentangle any effect of the gun buybacks from the rest of the gun reforms introduced at the same time. 

Some researchers have concluded the reforms as a whole had little effect on reducing the number of gun deaths in Australia. But other researchers have concluded the reforms did have an effect. 

What we can say with certainty is that in the 15 years prior to the first gun buyback in 1996, there had been 13 mass shootings in Australia. In the 21 years since more restrictive firearm policies came into effect, there has not been a single mass shooting in the country.”

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I’m a gun nut that owns exactly one 12 gauge shotgun. 

The only way to lower gun deaths to near zero would be mass confiscation. Thankfully we have a Consititution in place that prevents that. 

As is, during the last 25 years of loosening gun laws, the US has seen dramatic drops in gun violence and crime, contrary to what some people would have you believe. 

 

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3 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

I’m a gun nut that owns exactly one 12 gauge shotgun. 

The only way to lower gun deaths to near zero would be mass confiscation. Thankfully we have a Consititution in place that prevents that. 

As is, during the last 25 years of loosening gun laws, the US has seen dramatic drops in gun violence and crime, contrary to what some people would have you believe. 

I'm a gun control advocate who owns five firearms. I favor repealing the Second Amendment. 

All violent crime is down in the United States. It has nothing to do with loosening gun laws. 

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32 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

You’re avoiding the fact that the policy he’s praising is mandatory confiscation. Whether that’s because you’re being disingenuous or just ignorant is up for debate.  Given how you constantly post about politics here I’m gonna go with door #1. 

That's great. He's praising it, as he should. It's good policy.

He never advocated for that policy to be enacted in the United States.

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1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

Bullshit.

Quote from then President Obama,

“Couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting, similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it, we’re not doing, we’re not seeing that again, and basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws, and they haven’t had a mass shooting since.

Our levels of gun violence are off the charts. There’s no advanced, developed country that would put up with this.”

In addition, one of Hillary’s key positions was her opposition to the Heller decision that affirmed the individual’s right to bear arms. She was looking to place Supreme Court judges that disagreed with that decision. 

Tell me again how they just want to regulate it. 

"Take the guns first, go through due process second." -Not Obama

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"Take the guns first, go through due process second." -Not Obama

Jerry Patterson pointed that out recently.
The Trumpkins attacked him as 1) a libtard who was 2) spreading fake news, because “trump never said that,” and the video that showed him doing so was “faked.”
I’m not making that up. That really happened. That’s where we are.
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40 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Jerry Patterson pointed that out recently.
The Trumpkins attacked him as 1) a libtard who was 2) spreading fake news, because “trump never said that,” and the video that showed him doing so was “faked.”
I’m not making that up. That really happened. That’s where we are.

And this is why there is no bargaining with these people.  They are broken.

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When will Democrats look in the mirror? You’re to blame. The orange headed buffoon is in the White House because you botched the election.

What do Dems have a plan for? Gun control? Nope. Immigration? Laughable. Healthcare fix? Nah. Anybody but Trump isn’t a sound strategy to run on.

The current plan is to waste time bitching about lies and tweets. He will beat you again and not break a sweat. The people that elected him knew all that prior to Trump getting elected. Get your shit together and stop blaming everyone else. 

I don’t think Obama is helping your cause either. The truth wasn’t exactly a strength of his either.

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1 minute ago, GRHorn said:

Trump is a dumbass. Thanks.  

Okay, cool. I agree.

1 minute ago, GRHorn said:

I trust the Right side establishment to check him on this issue.

Wait, what? Are you that naive?

1 minute ago, GRHorn said:

It’s a large one for 95% of his base. 

LOL. I'll let you in on a little secret, since I'm feeling nice today. Trump's support of the second amendment is far less a priority for his base than the GOP reps/senators supporting Trump unconditionally.

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I voted in the Republican primary to vote against Trump. I will do it again. He will not win his party's nomination. The rats are already jumping ship. They will put a viable candidate to run against him and I will help them.

I suggest that you have your leprechaun saddle up your unicorn so you can ride that to the polls. I mean, while we’re discussing utter fantasies. There is no non-trump GOP. The GOP combined its committee with the Trump re-election committee already. It’s all Trump. And only Trump. They have chosen.
Trumps base has exactly zero issues they care about. It’s all about being offensive and owning the libs. #tiredofwinning #libtears #lockherup #whosegoingtopayfor it?

Because this. There is no set of beliefs, other than hatred for, blame of, and projection against the other.
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9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


I suggest that you have your leprechaun saddle up your unicorn so you can ride that to the polls. I mean, while we’re discussing utter fantasies. There is no non-trump GOP.

I can only do what I can and encourage others to do the same. If some never Trumper Republican runs against him, I will vote for him. Even if he doesn't get the nomination, it will be embarrassing for the party to choose against the candidate with the popular vote. There are only 33% of Americans that said they would vote for Trump in 2020. Because he is such a dumbass failure, that number will drop.

We can only do what we can and our votes matter.

 

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I can only do what I can and encourage others to do the same. If some never Trumper Republican runs against him, I will vote for him. Even if he doesn't get the nomination, it will be embarrassing for the party to choose against the candidate with the popular vote. There are only 33% of Americans that said they would vote for Trump in 2020. Because he is such a dumbass failure, that number will drop.

We can only do what we can and our votes matter.

 

That number will change when there is a specific baby killing, illegal immigrant supporting, socialist, commie, tranny that wants your kids to be gay, hate Jesus, America, and kicks puppies he is running against. 

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10 hours ago, GRHorn said:

I’m a gun nut that owns exactly one 12 gauge shotgun. 

The only way to lower gun deaths to near zero would be mass confiscation. Thankfully we have a Consititution in place that prevents that. 

As is, during the last 25 years of loosening gun laws, the US has seen dramatic drops in gun violence and crime, contrary to what some people would have you believe. 

 

Holy shit it must’ve really been bad Back then.

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At Christmas the kids, who are all in their 30s, revisited an old topic with my FIL. All the kids are pro pot legalization even though many are conservatives. FIL has always given us doomsday scenarios. He asked how Colorado was doing sarcastically as the topic had been brought up a few years ago. When we explained that the economy was great he was incredulous and assured us that the negative effects would just take longer to kick in. “Just wait 20 years”

If he were around in 20 years and the economy is doing well, he still wouldn’t admit fault. He would say it was some other factor that caused it. Perfect example of black/white with pot being bad no matter what and nobody is ever going to convince him otherwise. Even very clear, research based evidence. Yet libs are the emotional ones....

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On 12/28/2018 at 9:55 PM, JimmyJames said:

Y’all do realize that all this is cyclical and probably inevitable right?

1775. 1861. 1941. Start of revolutionary war, US civil war, American entry into WW2. All about 80 years apart. 

1929. 2008. Largest US market crashes. 80 years apart.

The institutions that were strengthened post WW2 have both steadily been attacked and have destroyed themselves. The church, Congress, Boy Scouts, countless other civic institutions. A lot of it self inflicted. 

Were in the middle of a crisis but it’s not the first and hopefully and likely won’t be the last. I actually have faith in the youngs. They’re not as cynical as my generation and not as narcissistic as the boomers. Hope I’m right. 

 

If the Strauss-Howe theory holds, we’re 5-10 years away from getting clear of this crisis. 

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