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Get good enough at your job that you don't have to be on a team of 20 people in web development and 18 of them are from India.

So im to blame when the company I work for wants all the cheap labor they can get, and they don't mind using loopholes in our laws to get it?  That's pretty rich...

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This.....is magnificent. The "younger generation" is going to have to work double-time to fund YOUR Social Security, which YOUR generation of elected officials raided the fuck out of.  And which,

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I don't need the government to protect me from anything....I have a great paying job and tons of experience.  I get job offers all the time and have no reason to be afraid of competitiion.  I was replying directly to the people on here that say young people here in the US with Bachelor degrees are not getting calls for interviews for jobs...

Well in that case the correct response would have been to remind those people that unemployment is at or below 4%, so the reason some people are not getting calls is because of the person looking back at them in the mirror. 

In my industry we are talking to college sophomores and juniors during recruiting. For senior year we're on campuses as soon as the academic year starts to interview any candidates who didn't already intern with us. Before Halloween any of those have offers. 

You know who comes calling in the spring, right before graduation? The leftovers without offers, and if we decide to interview them, they consistently prove why they're still looking. 

Over the past few years, in this job market, it's become virtually essential to recruit this way. 

Not all industries are the same, but in my experience, the competition today lies solely between corporations in the race to get good candidates. That's good for the candidates. 

The job market will always be tough and unfair for the ill prepared. 

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So im to blame when the company I work for wants all the cheap labor they can get, and they don't mind using loopholes in our laws to get it?  That's pretty rich...

Right wingers complaining when capitalism doesnt go their way is one of the highlights of the entire internet.

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So im to blame when the company I work for wants all the cheap labor they can get, and they don't mind using loopholes in our laws to get it?  That's pretty rich...

Skilled visa labor isn't cheap. Perhaps they take a slightly lower salary, but there is an inherent cost to sponsorship. You have no idea what you are talking about. 

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Brainwashed?  Shit!  Maybe some of us so called old people that arent that old yet have seen this country change for the worse and don't  like it....My generation would never let the government take away our rights for a few freebies...This new generation seems to be begging the government to do just that....You could learn a lot from history...

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Skilled visa labor isn't cheap. Perhaps they take a slightly lower salary, but there is an inherent cost to sponsorship. You have no idea what you are talking about. 

Skilled Visa labor isnt cheap now...What do you know about 5 to 10 years ago when most of these people I work with were getting jobs and unemployment here in the US was not so good?  

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Skilled Visa labor isnt cheap now...What do you know about 5 to 10 years ago when most of these people I work with were getting jobs and unemployment here in the US was not so good?  

It wasn't cheap then, either.

But what if it had been?  Are you suggesting that you'd have a problem with jobs going overseas to labor that's cheaper than our minimum wage?  So you're pro-union.  So you're a Democrat.  Right?

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It wasn't cheap then, either.

But what if it had been?  Are you suggesting that you'd have a problem with jobs going overseas to labor that's cheaper than our minimum wage?  So you're pro-union.  So you're a Democrat.  Right?

My ass it wasn't  cheap then....I did have a problem with it back then yes...We graduate hundreds of thousands of IT students from colleges each year that could have been trained to do the same job and a lot of them were struggling to find jobs.

As I said,  the Democrats and Republicans in Congress had no problem whatsoever signing the most recent immigration compromise with wording in it to expand the H1B Visa program... 

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You seem to not know what skilled visa labor is or why companies here want it.

You mow lawns, don't you?  It's okay - it's good, honest work.  But you might want to sit the rest of this conversation out.

I know exactly what your so-called "skilled" Visa laborers are.. I've trained about 10 of them  that lied their asses off on their resume's at my current job.  

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I know exactly what your so-called "skilled" Visa laborers are.. I've trained about 10 of them  that lied their asses off on their resume's at my current job.  



Sounds like you work for a shitty company that doesn’t vet their applicants correctly. Sad.
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Skilled visa labor isn't cheap. Perhaps they take a slightly lower salary, but there is an inherent cost to sponsorship. You have no idea what you are talking about. 

They tend to be paid more than most US workers. Because the DOL determines the salary and the employers have to pay that amount or they get busted. And that amount is set by the DOL and amended every summer.  But for US workers, they can pay you less and if you don’t like it, get fucked. 

The cost of visa sponsorship can run up to 3-5k every few years.  Talking 10-15k when sponsoring them for green cards. Plus they get the exact same benefits.  

Foreign skilled labor isn’t cheap,  it’s just better because they’re better educated.  

Source: actually in the field of immigration law 

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I know exactly what your so-called "skilled" Visa laborers are.. I've trained about 10 of them  that lied their asses off on their resume's at my current job.  

Your company seems like it sucks. But you get job offers all the time so I am not sure why you're so worried about these immigrants

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Your company seems like it sucks. But you get job offers all the time so I am not sure why you're so worried about these immigrants

It is one thing when your job hets outsourced to indians. It is quite another when it gets insourced to indian immigrants. Yes they will work for less but they will work more. 

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It is one thing when your job hets outsourced to indians. It is quite another when it gets insourced to indian immigrants. Yes they will work for less but they will work more. 

Companies have to post for these foreign positions, including salaries. A lot of them bristle Bc they don’t want the US workers to see the foreigners getting paid more. But that’s how it is. 

The demonizing of skilled foreign labor as low paid is bullshit. We pay them very well, and then they get to wait sometimes a decade to get a green card while being in a weird underclass of residents who pay taxes but can be sent back home at the behest of their employer with little notice after building an entire life here. With young US citizen children sometimes. 

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It is one thing when your job hets outsourced to indians. It is quite another when it gets insourced to indian immigrants. Yes they will work for less but they will work more. 

Oh Jesus not this super immigrant shit...They are just like us.  Some of them work their asses off.  Some of them spend half the day in the break room playing ping pong or take 2 hour lunches 3 days a week...  Some of them don't know shit...Some of them are brilliant.  Some of them cant work with other people and dont have open minds and some of them are great team players...

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Oh Jesus not this super immigrant shit...They are just like us.  Some of them work their asses off.  Some of them spend half the day in the break room playing ping pong or take 2 hour lunches 3 days a week...  Some of them don't know shit...Some of them are brilliant.  Some of them cant work with other people and dont have open minds and some of them are great team players...

So some of them would be great hires for your company and some wouldn't.

And you're pissed off that some of them get hired over American college grads, who, as you said, could be trained to do the same job.

So if what Js1 said about it costing more to hire visa workers is true, and as far as I know it is, why would companies be willing to do that?  They're willing to invest more in a better prospect.  That's it.

And this is where right wingers' love of capitalism and love of patriotism come to a head.  "Hire American" and "buy American" are really problematic positions for a true capitalist.

If you really have a problem with these jobs going to foreigners, you should get involved with some public education lobbying.  Because you're not going to convince companies to hire inferior prospects.

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Oh Jesus not this super immigrant shit...They are just like us.  Some of them work their asses off.  Some of them spend half the day in the break room playing ping pong or take 2 hour lunches 3 days a week...  Some of them don't know shit...Some of them are brilliant.  Some of them cant work with other people and dont have open minds and some of them are great team players...

Maybe after another 25 years of working they'll finally deem you capable of actually being in charge of hiring, and then you can settle the score. 

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9 hours ago, Rockymtnhigh said:

I hear this all the time, but every single good job I have worked  at, I started out at a lower skill job even with the degrees I have and I worked my way up and out of those jobs within just 2 to 3 years...There are a lot of companies that promote from within but you have to crawl sometimes before you walk...

 

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That would be a good plan; except, when your Director sends a memo and says all new open positions are going to our office in India.  Im telling you these politicians and corporations are selling us out...If the younger generation wants to do something to improve their livelihood in this country, they need to start paying attention to this shit and the politicians that support this shit...

Which is it? I don't need a degree and just work hard and in 2 years I've been promoted so many times I'm on to the next great job where I start at the bottom.

Or, there's a bunch of Indians that took our jobs!!!

 

Maybe you're just in the early days of a new job. Don't worry in 2 or 3 years you will have worked your way up and out to a new team. With 19 Indians on it and you.

You are a troll, or at a minimum not American, hell in an earlier post you called college "university". 

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So im to blame when the company I work for wants all the cheap labor they can get, and they don't mind using loopholes in our laws to get it?  That's pretty rich...

When you vote for republicans that take money from companies like the one you work for to create those loopholes? Yeah, you’re partially to blame.

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Trump’s lack of knowledge or experience or solutions would be bad enough. 

But what he’s doing here is more sinister. 

Trump is reinforcing harmful stereotypes and offering a dog whistle to his most hateful supporters. 

It’s a disturbing preview of what kind of President he’d be. 

This is what I want to make clear today: 

A man with a long history of racial discrimination, who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far reaches of the internet, should never run our government or command our military. 

If he doesn’t respect all Americans, how can he serve all Americans?

Now, I know some people still want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. 

They hope that he will eventually reinvent himself – that there’s a kinder, gentler, more responsible Donald Trump waiting in the wings somewhere. 

After all, it’s hard to believe anyone – let alone a nominee for President of the United States – could really believe all the things he says. 

But the hard truth is, there’s no other Donald Trump. This is it. 

Maya Angelou once said: “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” 

Well, throughout his career and this campaign, Donald Trump has shown us exactly who he is. We should believe him. 

When Trump was getting his start in business, he was sued by the Justice Department for refusing to rent apartments to black and Latino tenants. 

Their applications would be marked with a “C” – “C” for “colored” – and then rejected. 

Three years later, the Justice Department took Trump back to court because he hadn’t changed. 

The pattern continued through the decades. 

State regulators fined one of Trump’s casinos for repeatedly removing black dealers from the floor. No wonder the turn-over rate for his minority employees was way above average. 

And let’s not forget Trump first gained political prominence leading the charge for the so-called “Birthers.”

He promoted the racist lie that President Obama isn’t really an American citizen – part of a sustained effort to delegitimize America’s first black President. 

In 2015, Trump launched his own campaign for President with another racist lie. He described Mexican immigrants as rapists and criminals. 

And he accused the Mexican government of actively sending them across the border. None of that is true.

Oh, and by the way, Mexico’s not paying for his wall either.

If it ever gets built, you can be sure that American taxpayers will be stuck with the bill. 

Since then, there’s been a steady stream of bigotry. 

We all remember when Trump said a distinguished federal judge born in Indiana couldn’t be trusted to do his job because, quote, “He’s a Mexican.” 

Think about that. 

The man who today is the standard bearer of the Republican Party said a federal judge was incapable of doing his job solely because of his heritage. 

Even the Republican Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, described that as “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

To this day, he’s never apologized to Judge Curiel.

But for Trump, that’s just par for the course. 

This is someone who retweets white supremacists online, like the user who goes by the name “white-genocide-TM.” Trump took this fringe bigot with a few dozen followers and spread his message to 11 million people.

His campaign famously posted an anti-Semitic image – a Star of David imposed over a sea of dollar bills – that first appeared on a white supremacist website. 

The Trump campaign also selected a prominent white nationalist leader as a delegate in California. They only dropped him under pressure. 

When asked in a nationally televised interview whether he would disavow the support of David Duke, a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, Trump wouldn’t do it. Only later, again under mounting pressure, did he backtrack.

And when Trump was asked about anti-Semitic slurs and death threats coming from his supporters, he refused to condemn them. 

Through it all, he has continued pushing discredited conspiracy theories with racist undertones.

Trump said thousands of American Muslims in New Jersey cheered the 9/11 attacks. They didn’t. 

He suggested that Ted Cruz’s father was involved in the Kennedy assassination. Perhaps in Trump’s mind, because he was a Cuban immigrant, he must have had something to do with it. Of course there’s absolutely no evidence of that. 

Just recently, Trump claimed President Obama founded ISIS. And then he repeated that nonsense over and over.

His latest paranoid fever dream is about my health. All I can say is, Donald, dream on. 

This is what happens when you treat the National Enquirer like Gospel.

It’s what happens when you listen to the radio host Alex Jones, who claims that 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombings were inside jobs. He said the victims of the Sandy Hook massacre were child actors and no one was actually killed there. 

Trump didn’t challenge those lies. He went on Jones’ show and said: “Your reputation is amazing. I will not let you down.”

This man wants to be President of the United States.

August 25, 2016

- Hillary Clinton

 

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Trump’s lack of knowledge or experience or solutions would be bad enough. 

But what he’s doing here is more sinister. 

Trump is reinforcing harmful stereotypes and offering a dog whistle to his most hateful supporters. 

It’s a disturbing preview of what kind of President he’d be. 

This is what I want to make clear today: 

A man with a long history of racial discrimination, who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far reaches of the internet, should never run our government or command our military. 

If he doesn’t respect all Americans, how can he serve all Americans?

Now, I know some people still want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. 

They hope that he will eventually reinvent himself – that there’s a kinder, gentler, more responsible Donald Trump waiting in the wings somewhere. 

After all, it’s hard to believe anyone – let alone a nominee for President of the United States – could really believe all the things he says. 

But the hard truth is, there’s no other Donald Trump. This is it. 

Maya Angelou once said: “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” 

Well, throughout his career and this campaign, Donald Trump has shown us exactly who he is. We should believe him. 

When Trump was getting his start in business, he was sued by the Justice Department for refusing to rent apartments to black and Latino tenants. 

Their applications would be marked with a “C” – “C” for “colored” – and then rejected. 

Three years later, the Justice Department took Trump back to court because he hadn’t changed. 

The pattern continued through the decades. 

State regulators fined one of Trump’s casinos for repeatedly removing black dealers from the floor. No wonder the turn-over rate for his minority employees was way above average. 

And let’s not forget Trump first gained political prominence leading the charge for the so-called “Birthers.”

He promoted the racist lie that President Obama isn’t really an American citizen – part of a sustained effort to delegitimize America’s first black President. 

In 2015, Trump launched his own campaign for President with another racist lie. He described Mexican immigrants as rapists and criminals. 

And he accused the Mexican government of actively sending them across the border. None of that is true.

Oh, and by the way, Mexico’s not paying for his wall either.

If it ever gets built, you can be sure that American taxpayers will be stuck with the bill. 

Since then, there’s been a steady stream of bigotry. 

We all remember when Trump said a distinguished federal judge born in Indiana couldn’t be trusted to do his job because, quote, “He’s a Mexican.” 

Think about that. 

The man who today is the standard bearer of the Republican Party said a federal judge was incapable of doing his job solely because of his heritage. 

Even the Republican Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, described that as “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

To this day, he’s never apologized to Judge Curiel.

But for Trump, that’s just par for the course. 

This is someone who retweets white supremacists online, like the user who goes by the name “white-genocide-TM.” Trump took this fringe bigot with a few dozen followers and spread his message to 11 million people.

His campaign famously posted an anti-Semitic image – a Star of David imposed over a sea of dollar bills – that first appeared on a white supremacist website. 

The Trump campaign also selected a prominent white nationalist leader as a delegate in California. They only dropped him under pressure. 

When asked in a nationally televised interview whether he would disavow the support of David Duke, a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, Trump wouldn’t do it. Only later, again under mounting pressure, did he backtrack.

And when Trump was asked about anti-Semitic slurs and death threats coming from his supporters, he refused to condemn them. 

Through it all, he has continued pushing discredited conspiracy theories with racist undertones.

Trump said thousands of American Muslims in New Jersey cheered the 9/11 attacks. They didn’t. 

He suggested that Ted Cruz’s father was involved in the Kennedy assassination. Perhaps in Trump’s mind, because he was a Cuban immigrant, he must have had something to do with it. Of course there’s absolutely no evidence of that. 

Just recently, Trump claimed President Obama founded ISIS. And then he repeated that nonsense over and over.

His latest paranoid fever dream is about my health. All I can say is, Donald, dream on. 

This is what happens when you treat the National Enquirer like Gospel.

It’s what happens when you listen to the radio host Alex Jones, who claims that 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombings were inside jobs. He said the victims of the Sandy Hook massacre were child actors and no one was actually killed there. 

Trump didn’t challenge those lies. He went on Jones’ show and said: “Your reputation is amazing. I will not let you down.”

This man wants to be President of the United States.

August 25, 2016

 

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18 hours ago, Rockymtnhigh said:

Brainwashed?  Shit!  Maybe some of us so called old people that arent that old yet have seen this country change for the worse and don't  like it....My generation would never let the government take away our rights for a few freebies...This new generation seems to be begging the government to do just that....You could learn a lot from history...

Irony isn't your bag, I can see. Study history and you see this same generational resentment wherever resentment is allowed to be expressed. 

I'm a boomer. All that means to me is a description of when I was born. I don't feel that anyone can tell much about me from that designation. It's facile. It's broad brush.

Some look at a piece of film from Haight Ashbury and decide it's a generation of hippies. Some look at the boomers on Wall Street in the 80s and 90s, and decide that it's a generation of selfish pillagers with no record for future generations. I would argue that the location you chose for examination has more to do with what you find there than when they were born.

Using facile judgment to claim greater virtue for one's own generation is pretty dumb. It's largely useless and mostly provides another theater for divisive politics similar to the war on illusory but surely ebil libs. 

I'm a conservative, you're the problem. I'm a GOP, you're the problem. I'm part of a greater generation, you're the problem. I listen only to ideologically pure radio and TV, you're the problem. My world is falling apart, the negroes and Mexicans are the problem.

Get out of that mindset. It's pointless, I'm sure, to urge that, but I'll do it all the same. Focus on the problem rather than the blame. That was my dad's advice. Move toward a solution. He was a different generation, but what are you gonna do?

 

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