Donald Trump 2019

[Red Five 41597]

Hey guys. Trump has a secret super duper cheap healthcare plan that he won’t tell us about until after the election. Again.

If you vote for this moron you should have to wear a sticker that says “I have a sub-80 IQ”.

[BrickHorn 18426]

And on a more general note, isn’t supporting preexisting conditions kind of the defining trait of a conservative?  

[retread 2951]

Pretty cool to use healthcare as a political football. 1/6 of our economy. nbd.

[BrickHorn 18426]

Nm

Edited April 3, 2019 by BrickHorn
Fucking html

[BrickHorn 18426]

3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Hey guys. Trump has a secret super duper cheap healthcare plan that he won’t tell us about until after the election. Again.

If you vote for this moron you should have to wear a sticker that says “I have a sub-80 IQ”.

Fify 

Edited April 3, 2019 by BrickHorn

[jimmyjazz 46979]

16 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

for me, the real record scratch is when trump, addressing congress critters directly, says something about how he doesn't like "how the votes are tallied."

He's setting the table to contest the 2020 vote if he loses.  There's not a single Republican who will push back.

[High Plains Drifter 11162]

26 minutes ago, Winona's Big Orange Bevo said:

This is the kind of record scratch that stops everyone from fighting, look at each other and say "WTF?" Supporters don't blink about the other lies 'cause libtears but these may make them stop and sow tiny seeds of doubt. One can hope anyway. 

something something about hoping and shitting something something

[Skyline 325]

8 minutes ago, retread said:

Pretty cool to use healthcare as a political football. 1/6 of our economy. nbd.

Trump wanted to make another attempt at healthcare but Mitch told him it's never going to happen. So Trump pushed it back to 2021. 

[lemonlime 5503]

1 hour ago, yoladu said:

 

I must have slept in. Did he not have a GOP House and Senate his first two years?

He wants to create conflict. He had structural advantages in place to get things done his first two years, but he was either too lazy, too stupid, or the effort wouldn't favor his own personal interests.

He is a fraud.

This.  I don't even know that it's laziness or stupidity.  His only goal is to be a demagogue.  To do that he needs to create conflict and have something to get his sycophants to rail against.  If we actually had "great, beautiful healthcare with preexisting conditions and no lines" or a border wall what the fuck would he rally them around?

[RomaVicta 30502]

17 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Republicans are for preexisting conditions. Cancer?  AIDS?  Heart disease?  The GOP loves that shit. 

Pre-existing conditions such as imbecility, kleptomania, and gullibility.

[wildcat09 29559]

17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

He's setting the table to contest the 2020 vote if he loses.  There's not a single Republican who will push back.

This. He won't leave office voluntarily. 

[Degenerate Gardner 4133]

16 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

He's setting the table to contest the 2020 vote if he loses.  There's not a single Republican who will push back.

Susan Collins is undecided.

Fucking traitors.  And by that I mean, consistently, intentionally undermining trust in our democracy.

[shnsajax 3605]

4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This. He won't leave office voluntarily. 

Yep, he will use the Mueller report as a reason as well. Hopefully he just strokes out before the election and its all for naught. 

[shnsajax 3605]

2 minutes ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

Susan Collins is undecided.

Fucking traitors.  And by that I mean, consistently, intentionally undermining trust in our democracy.

You should see the GOP here in Idaho, its a fucking shame. 

[Anastasis 23700]

23 minutes ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

Fucking traitors.  And by that I mean, consistently, intentionally undermining trust in our democracy.

The reality of our democracy in action does a pretty good job of undermining itself. 

[David Dennison 19441]

46 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

He's setting the table to contest the 2020 vote if he loses.  There's not a single Republican who will push back.

Meaning what? Expand on what you think will happen if he loses and the Electoral College votes him out.

Edited April 3, 2019 by David Dennison

[Degenerate Gardner 4133]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The reality of our democracy in action does a pretty good job of undermining itself. 

Blithely accepting that perspective only propagates and excuses the traitorous acts.  Demand more.

[Anastasis 23700]

1 minute ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

Blithely accepting that perspective only propagates and excuses the traitorous acts.  Demand more.

It doesn't in fact excuse anything.  It is not an "either or" proposition, it's a "both and" one. Our democracy has significant systematic problems. Trump blustering about election rigging (or stein stoking the same narrative vein, Clinton questioning the legitimacy of the election, or even Warren suggesting that democratic primary was rigged) doesn't even crack the top 10 in terms of major threats to fundamental trust in the concept of American democracy.  I am asking you to demand more. If we want to talk about things that are undermining American democracy and democracy throughout the world, let's have that discussion. Cheeto can be part of that if it makes you feel better.  

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13619]

FDR- The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

 

Trump- You got to be a little bit more paranoid.

[High Plains Drifter 11162]

13 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

It doesn't in fact excuse anything.  It is not an "either or" proposition, it's a "both and" one. Our democracy has significant systematic problems. Trump blustering about election rigging (or stein stoking the same narrative vein, Clinton questioning the legitimacy of the election, or even Warren suggesting that democratic primary was rigged) doesn't even crack the top 10 in terms of major threats to fundamental trust in the concept of American democracy.  I am asking you to demand more. If we want to talk about things that are undermining American democracy and democracy throughout the world, let's have that discussion. Cheeto can be part of that if it makes you feel better.  

 

Start a thread bro.

This thread is about Trump. Trump is undermining democracy. Therefore, currently, this thread is about Trump undermining democracy.

[Anastasis 23700]

My bad.  Back to talk about cheating on golf scores. 

[yoladu 4187]

1 hour ago, FondrenRoad said:

This is him preparing to save face when he doesn't close the border.  His advisors and other GOP politicians have likely been all over him about the border closure nonsense, but Trump can never admit he is wrong.  So what he is going to do is say that Mexico yielded to his desires so he no longer needs to close the border.

well yeah.

It's a well oiled machine this White House.

[yoladu 4187]

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I was never planning a vote prior to the 2020 Election on the wonderful HealthCare package that some very talented people are now developing for me & the Republican Party. It will be on full display during the Election as a much better & less expensive alternative to ObamaCare...

And they cannot believe what they're finding.

re: Investigators in Hawaii, 2016

[Aqua Buddha 14782]

2 hours ago, mdmost said:

Yeah they had the House and Senate but those mean libtards wouldn't let the Senate get over the 60 vote threshold so it's all the libtards fault. NUCLEAR OPTION!

This is their go to move for everything.  They controlled all three branches during both the Bush and Trump administrations but it's the Democrats and liberal judges who keep them from doing anything.

[Jive Turkey 12930]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Meaning what? Expand on what you think will happen if he loses and the Electoral College votes him out.

this is what will happen.  Trump will push us into unchartered territory because that's he does.

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“If Trump decided that the election was illegitimate, and he was going to resist actually leaving office, he would – I don’t know whether he would try to arrest his opponent and stop them from appearing to take over the office, or whether he would just say on January 21, ‘I’m not leaving’,” Mr Quirk says.

 

“At some point, the question would become: whose orders do law enforcement obey? Because it would ultimately become a matter of the use of force in one direction or another.”

The US constitution makes no mention of how a president should be removed if they lose an election and refuse to hand over power to their opponent. So, it is hard to say if anyone would have the appetite to send the FBI, or navy seals, or whatever law enforcement agency, storming into the West Wing to arrest a recently defeated Donald Trump.

Joshua Sandman, a professor of political science at the University of New Haven, says he does not think Mr Trump would ever refuse to leave office after an election because it would destroy the president’s legacy.

Still, he suggests – like other experts quoted here – intense congressional and political pressure would force Mr Trump out of office quickly.

“The first line of defence would be the congress, and his party pressuring him out, telling him he must resign or leave,” Mr Sandman says. “If he wants to stay in the White House, he would stay in the White House. But, again, hypothetically you don’t need that. The White House is symbolic. It’s not a seat of power, necessarily.”

He adds: “All of these are, it’s sort of a work of science fiction. It’s all hypothetical.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-refuse-leave-office-nixon-cohen-white-house-a8814991.html

 

[Anastasis 23700]

1 minute ago, Jive Turkey said:

The US constitution makes no mention of how a president should be removed if they lose an election and refuse to hand over power to their opponent. So, it is hard to say if anyone would have the appetite to send the FBI, or navy seals, or whatever law enforcement agency, storming into the West Wing to arrest a recently defeated Donald Trump.

This is the craziest fan fiction yet. 

[Nivek 17330]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-refuse-leave-office-nixon-cohen-white-house-a8814991.html
 

Tresspassing is whose jurisdiction?

[Chooky 13337]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

This is the craziest fan fiction yet. 

Combine that with the notion that the sounds from wind turbines cause cancer and you have full blown erotica.  

[Captainant 28395]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

 I am asking you to demand more. If we want to talk about things that are undermining American democracy and democracy throughout the world, let's have that discussion. Cheeto can be part of that if it makes you feel better.  

Bullshit. Any time anyone brings up any sort of issue where our government is failing us you are the first to point out how they're only the latest in a series of bad things, completely derailing discussion and changing the scope of the conversation. Your desire to be so big-brain-centrist impedes your ability to actually think about a single issue and how it affects us because bOtH sIdEs

[Anastasis 23700]

7 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Your desire to be so big-brain-centrist impedes your ability to actually think about a single issue and how it affects us because bOtH sIdEs.

Thinking about political rhetoric regarding the legitimacy of election outcomes, whether it comes from Trump, Stein, Clinton or Warren, takes about five seconds to digest. I don't rank it particularly high in my threats to American democracy assessment, more of a distraction to real issues such as the profound and negative influence of money on American politics, and capture of the entire democratic system by an entrenched two party political apparatus. 

[Chooky 13337]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Thinking about political rhetoric regarding the legitimacy of election outcomes, whether it comes from Trump, Stein, Clinton or Warren, takes about five seconds to digest. I don't rank it particularly high in my threats to American democracy assessment, more of a distraction to real issues such as the profound and negative influence of money on American politics, and capture of the entire democratic system by an entrenched two party political apparatus. 

So both then?

[Captainant 28395]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Thinking about political rhetoric regarding the legitimacy of election outcomes, whether it comes from Trump, Stein, Clinton or Warren, takes about five seconds to digest. I don't rank it particularly high in my threats to American democracy assessment, more of a distraction to real issues such as the profound and negative influence of money on American politics, and capture of the entire democratic system by an entrenched two party political apparatus. 

[Anastasis 23700]

1 minute ago, Chooky said:

So both then?

Both and. 

[Chooky 13337]

Three sides?

[Anastasis 23700]

1 minute ago, Chooky said:

Three sides?

It's kind of a rabbit hole man.

 

[Chooky 13337]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

It's kind of a rabbit hole man.

Gross.

[Anastasis 23700]

1 minute ago, Chooky said:

Gross.

Don't knock it till you've tried it.  The knobby protrusions are uniquely stimulating. 

[Horn Dog 10156]

1 hour ago, Jive Turkey said:

“The US constitution makes no mention of how a president should be removed if they lose an election and refuse to hand over power to their opponent.”

Since the Constitution does not specifically say that a president has to be removed if they lose an election, then as strict constitutionalists,  we must conclude that our founding fathers did not intend for a President to ever be removed.  Thus logically we  rule in favor of President Trump being President for life.

Sincerely,

Justices Gorsuch, Alito, Thomas, Kavanaugh, Roberts

Edited April 3, 2019 by Horn Dog

[Francisco 2.0 32544]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

My bad.  Back to talk about cheating on golf scores. 

Speaking of.

 

Shamelessly pilfered from a commentator at Deadspin:

 

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“People, some people, will say that I cheat at golf, but I own a lot of golf courses, beautiful golf courses, let me tell you, courses everywhere in this country, all around the world, golf courses with so much green grass, stretching as far as the eye can see, and golf is really a great game isn’t it folks? You salute this great flag of ours after every hole, EVERY HOLE. I go up there, I hit the ball, sometimes I hit it real far, real far. That’s the game, that’s golf. Ever see a democrat on a golf course? *crowd boos* Neither have I folks, neither have I.”

 

[elfenix 34658]

5 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bink had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away. 

*bint

[Mdhorn 6153]

Wait--golf is now Republican?  Oh yeah, forgot that minorities couldn't be members up until Tiger Woods.  Is this what the Trumpster is rolling with?  Pretty sure that plenty of athletes and people everywhere play golf.  I don't--too expensive and slow.  But since more minorities play football and basketball, can Democrats get those sports?  Nope, ownership is probably majority Republican.  Damn, do they know that there are golf courses in socialist countries?  

[Hornius Emeritus 12780]

51 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

Since the Constitution does not specifically say that a president has to be removed if they lose an election, then as strict constitutionalists,  we must conclude that our founding fathers did not intend for a President to ever be removed.  Thus logically we  rule in favor of President Trump being President for life.

Sincerely,

Justices Gorsuch, Alito, Thomas, Kavanaugh, Roberts

 

Well, they ARE strict constitutionalists!

[EMAWesome 101]

Really?  Democrats have spent the last three years trying to overthrow an election in which their candidate lost and we are worried about what Trump would do if he loses an election?  I know one thing he won't do--lead a movement to abolish the electoral college.

Edited April 3, 2019 by EMAWesome

[EMAWesome 101]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/04/02/hispanics_rally_to_trump_boosting_his_2020_chances_139933.html

Get ready for the anti-Trump “resistance” to go truly loco, because new polling data indicates Hispanic support for the president is swelling, a trend that could seal his 2020 re-election victory.

When I helped lead the Trump Hispanic Advisory Council in 2016, our effort was widely derided by skeptics certain that the narrative of Trump as anti-Latino would doom his candidacy, particularly in heavily Hispanic states like Florida.  But that November, Hispanics saw through the media smears and Trump massively outperformed dour expectations, actually surpassing Mitt Romney’s 2012 percentage among Latino voters.

Since then, prospects have only improved – most importantly for the overall well-being of America’s Hispanic citizens, but also for the political prognosis of President Trump. So much good news erupted last week for the president with the conclusion of the Mueller inquiry that stunning new polling data was largely glossed over.  McLaughlin & Associates revealed that Hispanic approval for Trump in March jumped to 50%.  This number matched the January Marist/NPR/PBS survey that shocked cynics with its own 50% approval finding.  Even if those polls are too aggressive, February’s Morning Consult/Politico poll showed Trump’s Hispanic approval vaulting to a still-impressive 45%.

What explains this stunning trend?  I see three key factors:

The Economy – Hispanics neither desire nor expect a laundry list of deliverables from government, but rather seek the conditions to advance and prosper independently.  As the most statistically entrepreneurial demographic in America, Hispanics have thrived amid the Trump boom as regulatory and tax relief unleashes a small business surge.  Every American benefits from this new dynamism, but Hispanics most of all.  For example, the Hispanic jobless rate has now been below 5% for the last 11 months; prior to the Trump presidency, it had only been below 5% for one month ever (in 2006).   In addition, jobs are paying more.  Wage growth has finally ramped higher for all Americans, but especially for Hispanics, who now welcome wage growth far above workers on the whole. The American manufacturing renaissance drives much of this resurgence, as on-shoring, better trade deals, and rising optimism made 2018 the best year for factory jobs since the 1990s.

Immigration – Leftist politicians and their media allies wrongly assume that Hispanics espouse softness on immigration illegality.  In reality, a 2018 YouGov/Economist poll detailed that only 20% of Hispanics support the practice of “catch and release” of families crossing our border illegally.  Indeed, Hispanic Americans often suffer the worst, most immediate consequences of porous borders.  Too often, Hispanic workers must compete against unfair, illegal labor.  In addition, dangerous illegal aliens largely terrorize Hispanic citizens.  The tragic tales of MS-13 savagery, for example, normally involve Hispanic victims like Carlos Rivas-Majano, one of 27 people killed by the gang on Long Island, N.Y., in just the past three years. While elites like wannabe-Hispanic Robert Francis O’Rourke pontificate about open borders and tearing down existing border walls, the actual on-the-ground consequences flow to people with names like Hernandez, Cabrera, and Cortes.  Hispanic Americans have suffered too many totally preventable losses, such as slain Arizona police Sgt. Brandon Mendoza and young Los Angeles mother Sandra Duran, both murdered by illegal aliens living in America despite multiple prior arrests in the United States.  

Social Issues – As the Democratic Party lurches left on social issues, the largely Catholic and Evangelical Hispanic community of America finds itself orphaned by the Democratic Party.  Increasingly, Democrat lawmakers and leaders support abortion up until the very day of birth (and even beyond), so Hispanics naturally gravitate to pro-life Trump.  A 2018 Pew poll, for instance, found that 61% of whites believe abortion should be legal in most/all circumstances, but only 44% of Hispanics concur.  In a separate survey, Pew also discovered that among Democrats, Hispanics are almost twice as likely to identify as “conservative” as non-Hispanics. Given these realities, the increasingly extremist Democratic Party practically invites electoral doom in 2020.

Looking state-by-state at the 2020 presidential race, the groundswell of Trump’s Hispanic popularity solidifies the president’s re-election prospects. A Trump gain to 40% of the Hispanic vote -- a very realistic goal at this point – could effectively seal repeat wins in Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, and Arizona. Winning those states means the Democratic nominee must clean-sweep the 2016 Trump states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.  Moreover, even that upper Midwest sweep would not be enough if Trump’s ascent with Hispanics puts in play Nevada and Colorado, states with large Latino populations that Clinton won by low single digits last election.

For decades, Republicans have chased the “holy grail” of votes from Hispanics, a group that naturally should align with the conservative principles of entrepreneurial capitalism, strong borders, and a culture of life.  Paradoxically, the man whom the mainstream media most attempted to vilify as anti-Latino will, at last, truly welcome Hispanics to their rightful political home.

[Hank Scorpio 17924]

2 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

Really?  Democrats have spent the last three years trying to overthrow an election in which their candidate lost and we are worried about what Trump would do if he loses an election?  I know one thing he won't do--lead a movement to abolish the electoral college.

Well yeah, the only way he can win is with the electoral college, so obviously he's not going to try and destroy it if he loses. That makes no sense at all. Are you trying to make a point about something? What is going on? Is this what happens when someone tries to interpret the stupid shit you post? This is terrible. 

[Brisketexan 106629]

1 minute ago, EMAWesome said:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/04/02/hispanics_rally_to_trump_boosting_his_2020_chances_139933.html

 

 

Seems like a lot of circumstantial evidence.

[wildcat09 29559]

10 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

Really?  Democrats have spent the last three years trying to overthrow an election in which their candidate lost and we are worried about what Trump would do if he loses an election?  I know one thing he won't do--lead a movement to abolish the electoral college.

Big brain genius here doesn't know what the word "overthrow" means.

[jimmyjazz 46979]

10 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

Really?  Democrats have spent the last three years trying to overthrow an election in which their candidate lost

You know, you don't actually have to lie if you have a real argument.

[Thermos H. Christ 478]

 

11 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

Really?  Democrats have spent the last three years trying to overthrow and election in which their candidate lost and we are worried about what Trump would do if he loses an election?  I know one thing he won't do--lead a movement to abolish the electoral college.

Hey Swam, remind me what exactly the Dems have done to try and “overthrow” Trump. Is looking into whether the president did something wrong an attempted coup now? Was the Whitewater/Lewinsky investigation an attempt to overthrow the duly elected US president? Spygate? The Benghazi investigation?

Also lol at the idea that Trump wouldn’t go around calling for the abolition of the electoral college if it led to a result that didn’t suit him. He already has. 

[Chooky 13337]

6 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

Really?  Democrats have spent the last three years trying to overthrow an election in which their candidate lost and we are worried about what Trump would do if he loses an election?  I know one thing he won't do--lead a movement to abolish the electoral college.

He did exactly that before the election was even over.  He ranted and raved about how unfair the electoral college was.  You're either dishonest or you just woke up from a 3 year nap.  Beyond ideological differences, if you're bemoaning a particular behavior you find to be detestable, you can almost always guarantee that Trump has reveled in it at one point or another.  Like every time.  He has you and an entire political party defending or promoting ideas they once claimed to be firmly opposed.  Some of those ideas and behaviors were once the foundation to modern conservatism:  fidelity, faith, expansion of legislative power, budget deficits, etc.  On and on.  Your inability to even tacitly recognize overt hypocrisy queers your integrity.  Tax relief for the .5% is about the only virtue the GOP hasn't completely surrendered at the altar of Trump.  

But, again, Trump literally announced that he'd lead a movement to abolish the electoral college prior to the election.