Donald Trump 2019

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Cassidy standing behind him grinning and nodding during the whole press conference.

[henrygandorf 29,189]

3 minutes ago, UTCzech III said:

 

"a lot of people saying how can you obstruct, when there is no crime?"

literally one person said that, and he was mocked for being incorrect.

[sachick 1,189]

The Dems have to go for impeachment even if they don't convict in the senate.

It's like when you're raising kids, if you tell the kid he loses his phone for two weeks if he lies to you and then he lies to you, you have to follow through. If not, he'll continue to lie and then show his younger sibling that you can violate the house rules without consequences. 

 

[fattyflattie 4,639]

19 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

you know, i did not know until recently that luby's closes at 8pm. EIGHT FUCKING PM. that's a dying demographic they are capturing with those hours.

In one of my finance courses they told us there was more value in Lubys’ properties than all the food they sell. Been around forever and have good in town properties. Supposedly.  I was kind of aggy about it and never looked into it anymore than that, so take it for what it’s worth. 

[BradInATX 9,208]

not sure where you are getting this age hate by the left. it's not age hate, it's hate of a piece of shit human being who doesn't have a single redeemable quality. Seriously, he has none. shitty father, shitty human, shitty businessman, shitty christian. And while it shouldn't be either/or and I wouldn't make the choice unless I had to, i'll take idealism/ignorance (one still has time to learn as we get older) over a hypocritical disgusting fat ass who panders to racists.
And who is writing off people that have "seen it all and done it all"? are you claiming trump been there done that? Mr. largest single taxpayer loser during the 80s?! HAHAHAHAHA. honestly, i have no idea what you are criticizing, unless you think the criticism of trumps age/sundowning is being imparted to all older people regardless of context. quick glance and all i see are comments stating reagan looked different at the end of his presidency and generally that the 70s take a toll on person, both reasonable takes.
edit: well shit, now there are more posts, my bad should have gone through more of the thread. but not sure those calling out the olds are "left". they hadn't really posted before your post either...

I mostly hate old people though.

[Js1 85,296]

33 minutes ago, Skyline said:

This is a real ledge moment for me @Brisketexan. Where's the liquor?

Icono drove to FLorida to attend a Trump rally? 

[Captainant 27,640]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Icono drove to FLorida to attend a Trump rally? 

Icono does seem more like the floridaman kinda guy

[Lurch 5,922]

Confirmed. He’d be most of who I encounter outside our software co. It’s depressing.

[Skyline 325]

15 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Icono drove to FLorida to attend a Trump rally? 

Brisket was right, there's more people like Icono than we could know. 

[SimonBolivar 10,957]

49 minutes ago, Skyline said:

This is a real ledge moment for me @Brisketexan. Where's the liquor?

It's appalling that the President of the US would say, but it was one of Trump's funnier moments like his tweet about hiring Cohen. 

[SimonBolivar 10,957]

36 minutes ago, sachick said:

The Dems have to go for impeachment even if they don't convict in the senate.

It's like when you're raising kids, if you tell the kid he loses his phone for two weeks if he lies to you and then he lies to you, you have to follow through. If not, he'll continue to lie and then show his younger sibling that you can violate the house rules without consequences. 

 

The Daily this morning was saying that impeaching the president is exactly what he wants. It was unpopular when it happened to Clinton and it would likely hurt the D's politically. 

[sachick 1,189]

The Daily this morning was saying that impeaching the president is exactly what he wants. It was unpopular when it happened to Clinton and it would likely hurt the D's politically. 

Apples and Oranges dude. If this was only about Trump lying under oath about his affair with the porn Star, then we could maybe compare. Instructing his lawyer to lie under oath and all the other things is a different situation.

[henrygandorf 29,189]

8 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

The Daily this morning was saying that impeaching the president is exactly what he wants. It was unpopular when it happened to Clinton and it would likely hurt the D's politically. 

it might be what he wants, and the clinton situation as an example is what's likely holding them back (it's not a new talking point).  but i see very few similarities between the two cases, and i'm starting to think the downside is extremely limited. 

here we have a horribly unlikable person and a clear line of sight to control a narrative so the american people can actually hear all the shitty things he's done.  actual shitty illegal things, not lurid sexcapade embarrassment nonsense.  trump is not a convincing victim, and his numbers barely budge no matter how much he shouts no collusion.

[texastough 1,129]

I think what's holding them back is polling that says only 39% of Americans support impeachment. I find that hard to believe, but then again I thought there was no way in hell we would elect him. When did we enter the Upside Down?

[RomaVicta 29,902]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

it might be what he wants, and the clinton situation as an example is what's likely holding them back (it's not a new talking point).  but i see very few similarities between the two cases, and i'm starting to think the downside is extremely limited. 

here we have a horribly unlikable person and a clear line of sight to control a narrative so the american people can actually hear all the shitty things he's done.  actual shitty illegal things, not lurid sexcapade embarrassment nonsense.  trump is not a convincing victim, and his numbers barely budge no matter how much he shouts no collusion.

Yep. And this isn't a frivolous impeachment brought about strictly to thwart the will of the people.

[henrygandorf 29,189]

1 minute ago, texastough said:

I think what's holding them back is polling that says only 39% of Americans support impeachment. I find that hard to believe, but then again I thought there was no way in hell we would elect him. When did we enter the Upside Down?

i would argue that over half of the country doesn't completely understand any part of the impeachment process.

[texastough 1,129]

Just now, henrygandorf said:

i would argue that over half of the country doesn't completely understand any part of the impeachment process.

I'm sure thats true but they don't need to understand the process to support getting rid of the fucker

[Biff Tannen 45,665]

5 minutes ago, texastough said:

When did we enter the Upside Down?

Somewhere in 2016.  Seriously, that year was just a shit show on so many levels, not just politically.

[David Dennison 18,851]

16 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

The Daily this morning was saying that impeaching the president is exactly what he wants. It was unpopular when it happened to Clinton and it would likely hurt the D's politically. 

That's the conventional wisdom, but impeachment did not hurt the Republicans as much as people think. It hurt Newt Gingrich, but the Republicans only lost four seats in the House and held on to their majority. The Republican held Senate remained unchanged. We all know what happened in the 2000 presidential election. The Republicans maintained their House majority in 2000. The Senate was a little different; the Democrats and Republicans came out tied after the election.

 

[texastough 1,129]

https://www.needtoimpeach.com

has this been posted/discussed? 

[henrygandorf 29,189]

1 minute ago, texastough said:

I'm sure thats true but they don't need to understand the process to support getting rid of the fucker

i was really just attacking the integrity of the poll that spit out the 39% number.

wonder what % of americans would answer "yes" to the polling question "would you like a nice, clean summary of all of the laws president trump has broken presented to you on television?"

the fact that the wh is now stripping press credentials continues to reinforce the fact that they're desperately trying to control the narrative and any (mis)information that comes from this administration.  it's time for someone else to start talking.

it's like the mueller report in a nutshell.  he produces a 465 page report which the average american won't even contemplate reading (and trump knows this) so instead they trot out the ag (who's supposed to work for the people) to give his short summary of the findings (which he of course, completely misrepresented).  

anyone else picking up a pattern here?  enough is enough.

[tantric superman 4,667]

Should have instituted impeachment a few days after report was released with the understanding that it was just to show that at least some in Congress are doing their jobs.  Also with the understanding that it won't pass the Senate.  So solely to educate the masses and do what Congress is supposed to do.

Institute the process, ask for unredacted materials through the impeachment process.  Focus on obstruction and educate on obstruction and find some low key Reps who want to lead the process and who aren't going to egged on to become twitter fools.

Go forward with the evidence you have if the Republicans obstruct.  Take the loss.  Then focus on the election.

Making the arguments aren't going to make the Dems look bad.  Getting stuck in a discovery fight will, however. 

Vol II is your case.  Thanks for doing this Mueller.  You don't need anything else beyond the redacted report to make your case.

 

(This reminds me of when I first started litigating cases.  I would get so wound up in discovery fights because I wanted to get every piece of evidence that supported my case.  When all I really needed was to have my witness testify.  The more the the Dems get caught up in subpoena wars, the worse they look.)

 

 

Exhibit A is the redacted Mueller report.  Maybe its your only real Exhibit. Call your witnesses.  Finish in a couple of days.

Edited May 9, 2019 by tantric superman

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

“The Senate will never vote to convict.”

Things people in power want you to believe.

Now, do I think the Senate would vote to convict Trump at this moment in time?  Hell no but that doesn’t mean circumstances can’t change and I also know the Senate doesn’t even need to vote to have Mike Pence become president before the next election.  

If you are paying attention closely, the screws are being tightened on Trump and his family as he gets more brazen, not just by democrats.

The only thing I’m all but certain about is that this will not end well. 

[Guest Lobo]

Wow I can’t believe the Mueller report ended up becoming a political tool for both parties.   I suppose the next thing you know will have the Bible being used for both benevolent and Nefarious purposes.

 Pay close attention to the state legislative sessions in swing states that will be ending before the 2020 Republican nomination process 

[Bama Chick 28,596]

This is just....

[henrygandorf 29,189]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

“The Senate will never vote to convict.”

Things people in power want you to believe.

Now, do I think the Senate would vote to convict Trump at this moment in time?  Hell no but that doesn’t mean circumstances can’t change and I also know the Senate doesn’t even need to vote to have Mike Pence become president before the next election.  

If you are paying attention closely, the screws are being tightened on Trump and his family as he gets more brazen, not just by democrats.

The only thing I’m all but certain about is that this will not end well. 

agree with parts of this.  zero chance the senate convicts.  zero point zero.  i would put the % at under 50 that one single r flips, and they'll obviously need way more.

the company line needs to be "we know the senate won't convict.  that's not why we're doing this.  our constituents elected us to do our job, and that's what we're doing."

because eventually, the senate won't convict, and the president will spin it as a "win" and bozos who say things like "he's still the president so he's obviously innocent" will feel vindicated.  dems need to be on tv publicly saying they know the senate won't convict, because then after all the shit that comes out, it'll look terrible for republican senators, and help out in other ways.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

agree with parts of this.  zero chance the senate convicts.  zero point zero.  i would put the % at under 50 that one single r flips, and they'll obviously need way more.

the company line needs to be "we know the senate won't convict.  that's not why we're doing this.  our constituents elected us to do our job, and that's what we're doing."

because eventually, the senate won't convict, and the president will spin it as a "win" and bozos who say things like "he's still the president so he's obviously innocent" will feel vindicated.  dems need to be on tv publicly saying they know the senate won't convict, because then after all the shit that comes out, it'll look terrible for republican senators, and help out in other ways.

This is going to be a weird analogy but since we’re in political warfare it fits:  

Do you know why Putin fucking HATES, and I mean really HATES, NATO? 

It’s not because NATO is necessarily powerful enough to destroy or remove Putin.  It’s because Putin can’t move or expand back into Europe like he wants because the consequences for him would be so overwhelmingly catastrophic he can’t even consider trying to rebuild the Soviet Union.  

NATO exists to tell Putin, “don’t even fucking try it or you’re finished.”

Now, in our current situation, who is NATO and who is Putin? 

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47 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

That's the conventional wisdom, but impeachment did not hurt the Republicans as much as people think. It hurt Newt Gingrich, but the Republicans only lost four seats in the House and held on to their majority. The Republican held Senate remained unchanged. We all know what happened in the 2000 presidential election. The Republicans maintained their House majority in 2000. The Senate was a little different; the Democrats and Republicans came out tied after the election.

 

Yeah, there was some back and forth in the Senate, but the Rs held the House until 2006. The Ds might be surprised at how well principled action would resonate with the voting public. Regardless, it's their duty to impeach this ass.

[High Plains Drifter 11,034]

44 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

This is just....
 

 

These sub-morons are running the country. Let that sink in.

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We've got a front row seat for WWIII. It will be amazing watching Cheeto manage it.

[David Dennison 18,851]

1 minute ago, retread said:

We've got a front row seat for WWIII. It will be amazing watching Cheeto manage it.

Don't care, past draft age.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

13 minutes ago, retread said:

We've got a front row seat for WWIII. It will be amazing watching Cheeto manage it.

lol at those scientists that spent their lives studying climate change  

Take that libtards 

[Jack Straw 2,954]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

The only thing I’m all but certain about is that this will not end well. 

there will be no meaningful consequences for trump, his family, or anyone in his administration for as long as he in office.  i could see there possibly being real problems for him and his family down the road, but that is many, many years away.

 

[Pescado_Rojo 19,416]

1 hour ago, texastough said:

I think what's holding them back is polling that says only 39% of Americans support impeachment. I find that hard to believe, but then again I thought there was no way in hell we would elect him. When did we enter the Upside Down?

I wonder if the number is so low because everyone knows the senate won't vote to convict under any circumstance? 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

1 minute ago, longhornmatt said:

It’s not.  Trump’s approval rating is not much different anymore than past Presidents had at similar times in their first terms.   He is sadly not nearly as unpopular as one would hope.

Have you compared the disapproval numbers? 

[tantric superman 4,667]

1 minute ago, longhornmatt said:

It’s not.  Trump’s approval rating is not much different anymore than past Presidents had at similar times in their first terms.   He is sadly not nearly as unpopular as one would hope.

Yeah.  I think the thing that is so interesting is how the gnashing of teeth is related to how odious a person this is on the surface.

My wife was watching a documentary about JFK last night and they kept talking about how popular and loved, etc. that he was and she kept grousing about what a womanizer he was.  Okay, I get it, but he and W and Clinton and Obama -- they weren't in your face assholes.

Especially if you have a nice, protected childhood, there is a point in your life where you realize not all people are good, and plenty of adults are assholes.  That's shocking, but you get over it, and just realize you have to be vigilant about not trying your future to more assholes than you have to.  And you still  believe that most people aren't assholes.

The thing that triggered me is that a huge percentage of the population support this asshole, or have no problem with tolerating his grossness.  I didn't think that my society was capable of supporting a guy like this, no matter what he continues to do.  The absence of a cogent political or economic approach makes it even more confusing. 

 

[David Dennison 18,851]

9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Have you compared the disapproval numbers? 

Bingo.

He's historically unpopular.

[Chad Fuck 17,661]

9 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Yeah.  I think the thing that is so interesting is how the gnashing of teeth is related to how odious a person this is on the surface.

My wife was watching a documentary about JFK last night and they kept talking about how popular and loved, etc. that he was and she kept grousing about what a womanizer he was.  Okay, I get it, but he and W and Clinton and Obama -- they weren't in your face assholes.

Especially if you have a nice, protected childhood, there is a point in your life where you realize not all people are good, and plenty of adults are assholes.  That's shocking, but you get over it, and just realize you have to be vigilant about not trying your future to more assholes than you have to.  And you still  believe that most people aren't assholes.

The thing that triggered me is that a huge percentage of the population support this asshole, or have no problem with tolerating his grossness.  I didn't think that my society was capable of supporting a guy like this, no matter what he continues to do.  The absence of a cogent political or economic approach makes it even more confusing. 

 

Americans are no more exceptional than any other human beings.  We are masters at shooting ourselves in the dicks.  

[tantric superman 4,667]

Just now, Chad Fuck said:

Americans are no more exceptional than any other human beings.  We are masters at shooting ourselves in the dicks.

Not really talking about American exceptionalism.  I'd like to think that at most 10% of Ubangi men or the residents of Santa Poco are assholes.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

5 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Americans are no more exceptional than any other human beings.  We are masters at shooting ourselves in the dicks.  

Disagree, Americans are exceptional because not only do we have the freedom to shoot ourselves in the dicks, we do it repeatedly and with pride. 

[David Dennison 18,851]

12 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

He’s really not.  Nixon was historically unpopular right before resigning.  W was historically unpopular near the end of his second term when even the right became disillusioned with Iraq, homes were underwater, and the stock market lost half its value.  

Trump has 45% or 46% of the country outright approving his performance so far.  Could that turn if the economy tanks?  Yeah, probably to an extent.  But as of now I don’t see any reason to question why “only” 39% of the country thinks he should be impeached.  He’s a competitive 2020 candidate right now, not a guy about to be swallowed up by pitchfork toting masses.

You are not looking at his disapproval numbers. He's the underdog going into 2020.

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[jimmyjazz 45,893]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Disagree, Americans are exceptional because not only do we have the freedom to shoot ourselves in the dicks, we do it repeatedly and with pride. 

Sure, but that will change once Obama takes all the guns.

[DigglerontheHoof 21,183]

27 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

He’s really not.  Nixon was historically unpopular right before resigning.  W was historically unpopular near the end of his second term when even the right became disillusioned with Iraq, homes were underwater, and the stock market lost half its value.  

Trump has 45% or 46% of the country outright approving his performance so far.  Could that turn if the economy tanks?  Yeah, probably to an extent.  But as of now I don’t see any reason to question why “only” 39% of the country thinks he should be impeached.  He’s a competitive 2020 candidate right now, not a guy about to be swallowed up by pitchfork toting masses.

I'm embarrassed for our country that he isn't being swallowed up by pitchfork toting masses.  It's fucking depressing. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Make no mistake, Kentucky has the worst pair of Senators in the country but Texas is also awful.

 

[henrygandorf 29,189]

49 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

It’s not.  Trump’s approval rating is not much different anymore than past Presidents had at similar times in their first terms.   He is sadly not nearly as unpopular as one would hope.

i don't have the poll handy, but i think it was gallop that said he's the first president in history (of their poll) to never get to 50% approval.  he got to 46% in another poll and it was his high-water mark.

his numbers are historically shitty.

and keep in mind the type of people that answer landlines and take the time to talk to a pollster.

he's gonna get waxed in 18 months.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

My current favorite TV pundit dialogue:

Host: “Are we in a constitutional crisis?”

Pundit:  “Well, I don’t know if I’d call it a “crisis”. America has been through a few constitutional crises before, most notably the Civil War and the Revolutionary War.  I don’t think we’re there yet.”

[sachick 1,189]

1 hour ago, longhornmatt said:

It’s not.  Trump’s approval rating is not much different anymore than past Presidents had at similar times in their first terms.   He is sadly not nearly as unpopular as one would hope.

I don't know how much we can really trust polling numbers anymore. Who answers calls from unknown numbers now? Other than old people. Who are they calling? I assume they do call cell phones since less and less people have land lines. 

[JimmyJames 12,271]

15 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Make no mistake, Kentucky has the worst pair of Senators in the country but Texas is also awful.

 

Yeah were probably number two when it comes to worst pair of senators, but Kentucky is a clear number one. Cocaine Mitch is the worst Senator in history and I think poodle boy even out worsts lyin’ Ted.

So we got that going for us!

[sachick 1,189]

56 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Yeah.  I think the thing that is so interesting is how the gnashing of teeth is related to how odious a person this is on the surface.

My wife was watching a documentary about JFK last night and they kept talking about how popular and loved, etc. that he was and she kept grousing about what a womanizer he was.  Okay, I get it, but he and W and Clinton and Obama -- they weren't in your face assholes.

Especially if you have a nice, protected childhood, there is a point in your life where you realize not all people are good, and plenty of adults are assholes.  That's shocking, but you get over it, and just realize you have to be vigilant about not trying your future to more assholes than you have to.  And you still  believe that most people aren't assholes.

The thing that triggered me is that a huge percentage of the population support this asshole, or have no problem with tolerating his grossness.  I didn't think that my society was capable of supporting a guy like this, no matter what he continues to do.  The absence of a cogent political or economic approach makes it even more confusing. 

 

People like my mom who doesn't cuss, is a rule follower and goes to church 3-4 times a week. She supports him because she's catholic and she votes with the person who does not support abortion. She just chooses to ignore the rest. She doesn't even know the rest because she says she just doesn't watch the news because of all the negative stuff. Baffles me how religious people who truly believe in God and Jesus and all that can just turn a blind eye to such a morally corrupt human because of an embryo. At some point you have to decide your main issue isn't worth supporting someone so awful. 

[Gil Bang 25,922]

3 hours ago, Captainant said:

Icono does seem more like the floridaman kinda guy

How many  rest stops are there between FL and TX?  It might take him a while to make that drive.