Donald Trump 2019

[Fozzz 152]

6 hours ago, Lobo said:

That may be the tipping point to get Adm. McRaven to run for office.  

Does he have a book he needs to sell?  

[jimmyjazz 46478]

There's a difference between the intellect required to run a successful farm and that required to dig coal out of a mountain.  No doubt most farmers lean right, but in general they aren't stupid.  Some will vote their pocketbook.

[Planet Houston 4943]

7 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

 

May the odds be ever in your favor!

 

Blessed be the fruit. 

[Guest Lobo]

14 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Does he have a book he needs to sell?  

Yes, actually..."Sea Stories:  My Life in Special Operations" 

If not for the toll it would take on his health, I think he would have run for something by now.  He's 63, but he looks 43 and has the energy of 23.  His cancer is all but decimated. 

He's the kind of man that Trump thinks his children he is.  If that makes sense.

[High Plains Drifter 11057]

13 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

It was so long ago, and with our President driving the news cycle constantly maybe you've forgotten all the hubbub of Joaquin Castro tweeting out a few names of people who donated to Trump.

Some intrepid coder decided to merge a twitter account with the FEC database and voila!  It auto-tweets every few minutes a random Trump donor, their hometown, and the amount they have donated:

 

 

 

 

This is fantastic, but that unnecessary colon after donated is irks me.

(Yes, I realize its probably due to the coding. )

[Fozzz 152]

Remember when US special forces murdered afghan civilians (including two pregnant women) celebrating the birth of a child and McRaven tried to cover it up?  

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

2 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Remember when US special forces murdered afghan civilians (including two pregnant women) celebrating the birth of a child and McRaven tried to cover it up?  

Fozzz fighting against the US is best Fozzz.  SEAL who led the team to get bin laden? Actually a bad guy.  I remember your GHWB post in his death thread talking about him shooting down an airliner, equating it to Russians shooting down, I believe, the Korean airliner.  Grade A 80 IQ stuff.  

[Fozzz 152]

Well, I guess it was actually a good thing for him to try to cover up those executions of pregnant women.  

[Chuckie Finster 22765]

Fozzz is the futureman of the politics board.  

[Fozzz 152]

It's funny how if one of the troops does something monstrous not only is it not monstrous but in fact it's uncouth for someone to even acknowledge it.  That is reflective of a very healthy, well functioning society.  

[Todd Gack 432]

14 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

What even?

Still would.

[tx 3 putt 77933]

3 minutes ago, Todd Gack said:

Still would.

Into next week 

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

5 minutes ago, Todd Gack said:

Still would.

 

2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Into next week 

If you guys insist on becoming Eskimo brothers with dotard at least go with McDougal

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

3 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

It's funny how if one of the troops does something monstrous not only is it not monstrous but in fact it's uncouth for someone to even acknowledge it.  That is reflective of a very healthy, well functioning society.  

 It would’ve been pretty cool if you did that. But you didn’t. You’re not talking about the people that committed the acts. You’re trying to tie to someone that wasn’t there  and claiming he covered it up. All because someone suggested he  maybe should run for office.  

That’s a very well functioning society and very Seth Rich-y to reflexively try to accuse people of being complicit with murder  once facts bear out that it might be politically expedient. 

[jimmyjazz 46478]

How exactly did McRaven try to cover this up?

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Per his schedule, DJ is to have lunch with Secretary of State Mike  Pimpeo Pompeo who has just returned from Belgium sans press accompaniment. Hopefully, the no press was due to the last minute schedule when DJ cancelled, but will probably become routine because the public will not pay attention. Most never do. The folks with the most little gray cells say the Secretary's trip was to pressure Europe to support the US strategy with Iran. Heard it did not go according to plan, but we'll see since the lunch is private.

 

 

[DDD Dad 14375]

1 hour ago, Lobo said:

His cancer is all but decimated. 

So 90 percent is still there?

[Fozzz 152]

8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

How exactly did McRaven try to cover this up?

McRaven commanded JSOC (a glorified death squad) at that time, including that particular operation.  After the massacre when the remaining civilians in the village were readying the victims for burial the troops came back to dig the bullets out of the victims' bodies so there would not be any evidence contradicting JSOC's story that the victims were killed by the Taliban.  The troops then detained and tortured a few of the remaining civilians to try to get them to corroborate their Taliban story.  

[DDD Dad 14375]

2 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

McRaven commanded JSOC (a glorified death squad) at that time, including that particular operation.  After the massacre when the remaining civilians in the village were readying the victims for burial the troops came back to dig the bullets out of the victims' bodies so there would not be any evidence contradicting JSOC's story that the victims were killed by the Taliban.  The troops then detained and tortured a few of the remaining civilians to try to get them to corroborate their Taliban story.  

Source?

[jimmyjazz 46478]

There is an internal report which disputes much of that story.  One should probably be skeptical of any internal report, but regardless, the story is not universally supported.  

While the buck surely stopped with McRaven, I still see no specific indication that he himself participated in a coverup.  But, Fozzz.

[Fozzz 152]

7 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Source?

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/01/pentagon-special-ops-killing-of-pregnant-afghan-women-was-appropriate-use-of-force/

[Fozzz 152]

5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

There is an internal report which disputes much of that story.  One should probably be skeptical of any internal report, but regardless, the story is not universally supported.  

While the buck surely stopped with McRaven, I still see no specific indication that he himself participated in a coverup.  But, Fozzz.

lol jimmyjazz the war crimes denialist.  So the special forces soldiers concocted the Taliban coverup story, removed evidence, and then tried to torture the survivors into corroborating their story while their commander was totally unaware that any of this was going on?  

Edited September 4, 2019 by Fozzz

[Chuckie Finster 22765]

Start your own McRaven thread, good lord

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Unless William McRaven is standing on DJ's superyacht, the war crimes talk is a little sideways for talk about DJ.

But back to DJ, how about this tweet?

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Europe has had among the most protectionist policies forever. They’re sitting there and saying, gee, are we next? Maybe you are!

 

[Tuco 5084]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

There's a difference between the intellect required to run a successful farm and that required to dig coal out of a mountain.  No doubt most farmers lean right, but in general they aren't stupid.  Some will vote their pocketbook.

I don't know if they are smarter or dumber than your average coal miner, or average person, but I think there are two aspects which make them gullible. 

1.) Rural America is dying, or at least is being left behind.  Population decline is a killer on housing property values in small towns.  It is also a killer on what they see as hope for the future, as generations leave.  When you look at the conservative vs. progressive divide to be the difference of preferring the past or the future, there is reason for them to view the past with more fondness. 

2.) Rural America is delusional.  They believe that America's troubles are caused by the problems of the city.  It's all those slums on welfare which are the problem.  It's all that crime in the cities which are causing the problems.  They just want the government to leave them alone.  The completely miss the fact that for decades the government has seen some value in "saving the family farm."  They are getting burned by the trade war, in part because our trade policy has centered around them.  We have been willing to get "ripped off" on tech and manufacturing, because we wanted other countries to buy our ag products.  

I'm pretty much to the fuck-em mode.  For years, I believed there was a value in the government smoothing the transitions brought on by economic evolution.  It's a moderately liberal position.  And make no mistake, big corporate farms are more efficient (economics-wise) than the family farm.  The family farm will get squeezed out by market forces.  For years I supported pushing back on that eventuality, to minimize the impact of sudden change.  Now I'm I thinking fuck em.  Free market time, bitches.  Trade wars?  Fuck em.  They voted for people who campaigned on upsetting a system which was slanted to their advantage.  I'll be fine.  Foreclosures? Fuck 'em.  They voted for people who have systematically tilted the balance to lenders.  Ethanol mandates?  Fuck 'em.  They have convinced themselves global warming doesn't exist.  And why?  Because they are more worried about whether they hear Spanish at Walmart or whether two guys marry than they are about saving the family farm.  So fuck em. I'll be fine. 

[David Dennison 19121]

26 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

lol jimmyjazz the war crimes denialist.  So the special forces soldiers concocted the Taliban coverup story, removed evidence, and then tried to torture the survivors into corroborating their story while their commander was totally unaware that any of this was going on?  

Joke's on us.

We're going to lose the War in Afghanistan to the Taliban.

 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

37 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

lol jimmyjazz the war crimes denialist.  So the special forces soldiers concocted the Taliban coverup story, removed evidence, and then tried to torture the survivors into corroborating their story while their commander was totally unaware that any of this was going on?  

glad we've moved from 'he's covering up murder' to 'i don't know of any evidence he's covering up murder, but c'mon, let's all agree he is'.  this seems like a very well thought out position.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Rural America is delusional but then again so are the suburbs. They also believe as you stated, "America's troubles are caused by the problems of the city.  It's all those slums on welfare which are the problem.  It's all that crime in the cities which are causing the problems." The flight to the suburbs that shrank the city tax bases, left infrastructure deferred, schools underfunded, and neighborhoods blighted. The phrase, "I just need some more space" that was euphemism for "I want my neighbors to look like me." The corporate campuses that moved outside city limits and had little cities built up around them but left transportation and housing for the service sector jobs on the outside looking in.

I'm being very very simplistic, but very few of us white Americans are willing to admit that as the majority demographic for much of the 20th century and the rise and fall of the "city," we did this. One could argue that if one wants "the good life" one should work for it, and who can argue with that, but it is a lot easier for those of us who are already living it to lob thoughts and prayers to those living in places like Flint instead of Grosse Pointe.

[jimmyjazz 46478]

43 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

lol jimmyjazz the war crimes denialist.  So the special forces soldiers concocted the Taliban coverup story, removed evidence, and then tried to torture the survivors into corroborating their story while their commander was totally unaware that any of this was going on?  

I'm disinclined to get into it with you, because you have the intellectual integrity of a feral hamster, but I'd be happy to point the finger at McRaven if you'd actually show something that implicates him in a coverup.  Nobody disputes that a tragedy happened.  What people are questioning is whether McRaven was complicit, and you haven't proven that extraordinary assertion.

[Bateshorn 9957]

5 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I'm being very very simplistic, but very few of us white Americans are willing to admit that as the majority demographic for much of the 20th century last 400 years .... we did this.

FIFY.

[jimmyjazz 46478]

26 minutes ago, Tuco said:

I don't know if they are smarter or dumber than your average coal miner, or average person, but I think there are two aspects which make them gullible. 

. . .

So fuck em. I'll be fine. 

Well, I grew up in the rural midwest, albeit in a small college town, but I know these people.  I think "gullible" is a fair assessment.  That said, I don't think they brought their entire plight upon themselves.  For one thing, they were fooled, as were many people not wholly relegated to the country right.  They ARE getting squeezed out by megafarms, and it's certainly not all good.  That said, my main point is that some will switch sides in 2020 for a very simple reason -- the economy is starting to kill them off, and when it's their turn (specifically) they will see things differently.  Not all of them, not even a majority, but a significant fraction.

I'm not terribly interested in rooting for the downfall of what is essentially a fairly decent demographic.  A lot of these people live extremely simple lives, and are content to live and let live.  And then, a lot of them are assholes.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5807]

8 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

 

I'm being very very simplistic, but very few of us white Americans are willing to admit that as the majority demographic for much of the 20th century and the rise and fall of the "city," we did this. 

I'd still rather live in most major cities than the suburbs or small rural towns, and it's not even close. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

4 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

FIFY.

Thnaks, I should clarify that I was mostly meaning demographic of cities (like Detroit etc) but yeah, whites have been the majority for much longer than that.

[YChang 3472]

Farmers along with other laborers have been on the forefront of demanding and influencing populist changes from politicians. How poorly they seem to know their history... especially with their alignment with the modern day GOP. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

11 minutes ago, Tuco said:

I'm pretty much to the fuck-em mode.  For years, I believed there was a value in the government smoothing the transitions brought on by economic evolution.  It's a moderately liberal position.  And make no mistake, big corporate farms are more efficient (economics-wise) than the family farm.  The family farm will get squeezed out by market forces.  For years I supported pushing back on that eventuality, to minimize the impact of sudden change.  Now I'm I thinking fuck em.  Free market time, bitches.  Trade wars?  Fuck em.  They voted for people who campaigned on upsetting a system which was slanted to their advantage.  I'll be fine.  Foreclosures? Fuck 'em.  They voted for people who have systematically tilted the balance to lenders.  Ethanol mandates?  Fuck 'em.  They have convinced themselves global warming doesn't exist.  And why?  Because they are more worried about whether they hear Spanish at Walmart or whether two guys marry than they are about saving the family farm.  So fuck em. I'll be fine.

Gotta say, this was the mentality of some (not all) small town people that voted for Trump.  Corporate America has already plundered and left many rural communities behind.  These folks felt largely detached from whatever collective idea of America is going on in the more liberal areas.  Voting for Trump was their way of saying fuck you to the powers that allowed it to happen, they don't give a shit what they will have to suffer with Trump because many of them have already become well acquainted with misfortune.  They just wanted everyone else to feel their pain.  Our government/society failed rural America repeatedly over the last 30 years and they wanted vengeance.  Trump was there to deliver it for them.  Yeah, they're uneducated and easily manipulated racists but no one ever put much investment in preventing these communities from becoming the trash they are today because that would have hurt someone's bottom line. 

While it's easy to say fuck 'em, it will not make our collective situation any better in the long run.  More likely the opposite. 

[triplehorn 2664]

lol.  what petty little pos.

[David Dennison 19121]

58 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Gotta say, this was the mentality of some (not all) small town people that voted for Trump.  Corporate America has already plundered and left many rural communities behind.  These folks felt largely detached from whatever collective idea of America is going on in the more liberal areas.  Voting for Trump was their way of saying fuck you to the powers that allowed it to happen, they don't give a shit what they will have to suffer with Trump because many of them have already become well acquainted with misfortune.  They just wanted everyone else to feel their pain.  Our government/society failed rural America repeatedly over the last 30 years and they wanted vengeance.  Trump was there to deliver it for them.  Yeah, they're uneducated and easily manipulated racists but no one ever put much investment in preventing these communities from becoming the trash they are today because that would have hurt someone's bottom line. 

While it's easy to say fuck 'em, it will not make our collective situation any better in the long run.  More likely the opposite. 

Translation: Ronald Reagan was the most destructive president of the 20th century.

[SaucyJack 3504]

2 hours ago, Tuco said:

I don't know if they are smarter or dumber than your average coal miner, or average person, but I think there are two aspects which make them gullible. 

1.) Rural America is dying, or at least is being left behind.  Population decline is a killer on housing property values in small towns.  It is also a killer on what they see as hope for the future, as generations leave.  When you look at the conservative vs. progressive divide to be the difference of preferring the past or the future, there is reason for them to view the past with more fondness. 

2.) Rural America is delusional.  They believe that America's troubles are caused by the problems of the city.  It's all those slums on welfare which are the problem.  It's all that crime in the cities which are causing the problems.  They just want the government to leave them alone.  The completely miss the fact that for decades the government has seen some value in "saving the family farm."  They are getting burned by the trade war, in part because our trade policy has centered around them.  We have been willing to get "ripped off" on tech and manufacturing, because we wanted other countries to buy our ag products.  

I'm pretty much to the fuck-em mode.  For years, I believed there was a value in the government smoothing the transitions brought on by economic evolution.  It's a moderately liberal position.  And make no mistake, big corporate farms are more efficient (economics-wise) than the family farm.  The family farm will get squeezed out by market forces.  For years I supported pushing back on that eventuality, to minimize the impact of sudden change.  Now I'm I thinking fuck em.  Free market time, bitches.  Trade wars?  Fuck em.  They voted for people who campaigned on upsetting a system which was slanted to their advantage.  I'll be fine.  Foreclosures? Fuck 'em.  They voted for people who have systematically tilted the balance to lenders.  Ethanol mandates?  Fuck 'em.  They have convinced themselves global warming doesn't exist.  And why?  Because they are more worried about whether they hear Spanish at Walmart or whether two guys marry than they are about saving the family farm.  So fuck em. I'll be fine. 

[Guest Lobo]

3 hours ago, Fozzz said:

McRaven commanded JSOC (a glorified death squad) at that time, including that particular operation.  After the massacre when the remaining civilians in the village were readying the victims for burial the troops came back to dig the bullets out of the victims' bodies so there would not be any evidence contradicting JSOC's story that the victims were killed by the Taliban.  The troops then detained and tortured a few of the remaining civilians to try to get them to corroborate their Taliban story.  

And Obama commanded all armed forces.  You really want to get into this, you fucking child?  

[Hank Kingsley 21089]

 

[retread 2951]

Just imagine if Obama ... #394858 ^

Edited September 4, 2019 by retread

[Fozzz 152]

Just now, Lobo said:

And Obama commanded all armed forces.  You really want to get into this, you fucking child?  

Remember when Obama, a recipient of the Nobel Peace Price, bombed the ever-living-fuck out of a Doctors Without Borders hospital in Afghanistan, which was also a Nobel Peace Prize winner?  The first ever time one Nobel Peace Price winner has bombed another Nobel Peace Prize winner.  

[Ted Lange 16157]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

 

 

We are living in an Onion article.   JFC Trump is a fucking jackass.

[4th&Five 41703]

Violation of Federal Law you say...

[Lagunamadre 1975]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

OH. MY. GOD. Just when I think it's real, I am thankfully reminded this is all just one big scary/funny dream. 

[Dewey 3314]

That's straight from an SNL skit, holy shit

[Ted Lange 16157]

 

[Goredho 17511]

9 minutes ago, retread said:

Just imagine if Obama ... #394858

 

I'm pretty sure he's under the impression that Dorian is a giant brown liberal amoeba trying to devour his base through phagocytosis.  It would explain the use of nukes.

[retread 2951]

[cactusflinthead 27615]