Donald Trump 2019

[Hank Kingsley 21,060]

8 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

That doesn't make sense. They're already voting for Trump. They're already hearing anti-Hillary commentary on a regular basis. But if Hillary would just shut up, maybe they'd vote Dem in 2020? I don't think so. 

We're living in very complicated times right now, WTB. It's not about changing votes, it's about turnout. Fair or not, Hillary is an extremely toxic figure. Even to Democrats. 

Put it this way, would any D candidate even want a Hillary endorsement? It's probably not worth all the baggage that comes with it. 

 

[4th&Five 41,600]

his kids are so fucking dumb

[henrygandorf 29,197]

5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

We're living in very complicated times right now, WTB. It's not about changing votes, it's about turnout. Fair or not, Hillary is an extremely toxic figure. Even to Democrats. 

Put it this way, would any D candidate even want a Hillary endorsement? It's probably not worth all the baggage that comes with it. 

agreed.

anyone who hears hillary say something and thinks, "you know, she's got a great point" is already voting d.

[DixonHur 11,395]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

We're living in very complicated times right now, WTB. It's not about changing votes, it's about turnout. Fair or not, Hillary is an extremely toxic figure. Even to Democrats. 

Put it this way, would any D candidate even want a Hillary endorsement? It's probably not worth all the baggage that comes with it. 

 

That was then...I'm thinking a lot of Dems recognize the error of their ways.

[Chad Fuck 17,812]

11 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

we (as a country) need to stop referring to this as "the transcript".

it was a 5 page summary of a 30 minute conversation.  when we call it "the transcript", we gloss over the fact that there is an actual transcript, locked away in a server where it shouldn't be.  it needs to constantly be pointed out that this isn't the transcript, because people will forget how big of a deal the code-word server situation is.

that server also contains other calls that were locked away for political reasons, not national security concerns.  putin is already pushing back on conversations in there.  this is a big deal, and needs to stay in the news.

1000 x ^This.

[Chooky 13,319]

2 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

agreed.

anyone who hears hillary say something and thinks, "you know, she's got a great point" is already voting d.

And anybody who hears Hillary say something and thinks "how could you lose to this imbecile, you jugbutted lummox" is also already voting d.

[WhatTheBuck 28,807]

3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

We're living in very complicated times right now, WTB. It's not about changing votes, it's about turnout. Fair or not, Hillary is an extremely toxic figure. Even to Democrats. 

Put it this way, would any D candidate even want a Hillary endorsement? It's probably not worth all the baggage that comes with it. 

I'm not seeing it. Hillary has been mostly silent throughout the Trump presidency and in all likelihood that will continue. She and Chelsea are promoting a book right now so there will probably be some more quotes coming out during this little promotional window that will be over by Thanksgiving. But it's not going to make any difference in the election. 

Also, Hillary is free to endorse a candidate. Anyone who would let Hillary's endorsement of any person or thing affect their opinion of that person or thing was already going to vote for Trump anyway. It just doesn't matter. 

[jimmyjazz 46,235]

Just now, Chooky said:

And anybody who hears Hillary say something and thinks "how could you lose to this imbecile, you jugbutted lummox" is also already voting d.

Is that Scottish?  Because it sounds Scottish.  I'm also stealing it.

[Dahobbs 17,699]

22 minutes ago, deech said:

Why give the other side a talking point?   The transcript itself was bad enough. 

You make it out like there is some mass of dumb voter who is going to make their mind up based on the Committee hearings.  The only people paying attention are people who all likely read the transcript already.   You are 100% right Trump will bitch no matter what..  What will motivate his base is stupid shit like ginning up the transcript when you don't need to.   The appearance of objectivity/reasonableness matters IMHO and is more important than trying to explain things to dumb voters.

There was always going to be a talking point. Much like this one, it would also be a completely fabricated one. Stop worrying about what the fraudsters are going to say in response. Call them fraudsters directly and plainly. That is what Schiff did. He was right to do it. I swear to god, this is why the democrats keep getting own-goaled. They give credence to the absurd talking points, you know, for the appearance of objectivity and fairness, rather than calling out the bullshit as bullshit. Stop it. It isn't a transcript. Schiff wasn't wrong in ANY sense. Stop it. 

[TwiceHorn 31,566]

Peak chooky.  

 

Rhymes with dooky.

[Bozo_Casanova 26,579]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Peak chooky.  

 

Rhymes with dooky.

[Hank Kingsley 21,060]

10 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

That was then...I'm thinking a lot of Dems recognize the error of their ways.

I'm a Democrat. Fuck Hillary Clinton. She ran a shitty campaign. She shouldn't get any credit from Ds for recognizing Trump was a comic book villain in 2016. We all knew it. She basically stopped campaigning and played not to lose. 

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

The fact anyone has to campaign against Donald Trump is the real story. 

[DixonHur 11,395]

 

11 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm a Democrat. Fuck Hillary Clinton. She ran a shitty campaign.

I agree 100% with this, but I also assume you still voted for her in 2016 and will vote D in 2020, so you're not who I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the D's who voted for Trump, or not at all...I'm guessing they'll be back in the fold come November 2020.

12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

She shouldn't get any credit from Ds for recognizing Trump was a comic book villain in 2016. We all knew it.

Ah, well, nevertheless

[Lagunamadre 1,975]

35 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

his kids are so fucking dumb

LOL. Go take a look at Hunter Biden's resume, not saying his Dad's connections didn't help him out, but he's got a pretty good CV, regardless who his daddy is. 

Eric Trump has never, for one day, not worked for his Dad. And his "foundation" had to be shut down after it was discovered it was funneling millions of dollars to his daddy by overpaying Trump properties to "host" charity events there. 

The grift does not fall far from the tree. 

[Hank Kingsley 21,060]

1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

 

I agree 100% with this, but I also assume you still voted for her in 2016 and will vote D in 2020, so you're not who I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the D's who voted for Trump, or not at all...I'm guessing they'll be back in the fold come November 2020.

I'd feel more confident that they're back in the fold come November 2020 with Hillary completely sidelined. We have plenty of better candidates running now who don't need her help in any way. 

Hillary's political story has been written. She'll never rebound from the 2016 election. Time to move on. 

 

 

 

 

[Junior Miller 1,502]

45 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

We're living in very complicated times right now, WTB. It's not about changing votes, it's about turnout. Fair or not, Hillary is an extremely toxic figure. Even to Democrats. 

Put it this way, would any D candidate even want a Hillary endorsement? It's probably not worth all the baggage that comes with it. 

 

Yes, with tribal politics taking over the republican party everyone is already on a side. No one will change sides from this point forward. If you've rode this far with the republican criminal syndicate you aren't backing off no matter what other criminal acts they commit. If you're repulsed by republican criminality you aren't voting for them no matter what the democrats do. 

It's all about getting every single American possible who is disgusted by the criminal in charge to turn out and vote. 

[henrygandorf 29,197]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'd feel more confident that they're back in the fold come November 2020 with Hillary completely sidelined. We have plenty of better candidates running now who don't need her help in any way. 

Hillary's political story has been written. She'll never rebound from the 2016 election. Time to move on. 

it's like including a shitty relief pitcher on a postseason roster.  you probably won't need to use him, and he probably won't get into an important game, but why in the world would you even take that chance?

[Brisketexan 105,445]

Just now, Junior Miller said:

Yes, with tribal politics taking over the republican party everyone is already on a side. No one will change sides from this point forward. If you've rode this far with the republican criminal syndicate you aren't backing off no matter what other criminal acts they commit. If you're repulsed by republican criminality you aren't voting for them no matter what the democrats do. 

It's all about getting every single American possible who is disgusted by the criminal in charge to turn out and vote. 

This.  It's the only fight.  There's no war of ideas anymore.  That phase is over.

Now, it's just about bodies at the polls.

[DixonHur 11,395]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Now, it's just about bodies at the polls.

In the right states

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,900]

Fuck the electoral college. 

 

Sorry, don't think it's been said lately

[Hank Kingsley 21,060]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Now, it's just about bodies at the polls.

Agreed. Besides huge Democratic voter turnout, there is another possibility: a significant enough amount of 2016 Trump/anti-Hillary voters who decide to stay home on election day.

[jimmyjazz 46,235]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

There was always going to be a talking point. Much like this one, it would also be a completely fabricated one. Stop worrying about what the fraudsters are going to say in response. Call them fraudsters directly and plainly. That is what Schiff did. He was right to do it. I swear to god, this is why the democrats keep getting own-goaled. They give credence to the absurd talking points, you know, for the appearance of objectivity and fairness, rather than calling out the bullshit as bullshit. Stop it. It isn't a transcript. Schiff wasn't wrong in ANY sense. Stop it. 

Christ, you can't understand the difference between handing them a talking point that actually has some validity versus them gaslighting the American people about utter bullshit that they make up.  Stop with the "own goal" lunacy -- this WAS an own goal by Shiff. 

Does it rank up there with even the mildest Trump missteps?  No, it doesn't.  But it's still a misstep, and one that could have been completely avoided.  Nobody's pearl-clutching here.  You could let it die but you won't, and then you point fingers and say "see, this is why we lose elections!".  No, it isn't.

[Mojo Hand 4,580]

There is no validity to this.   Schiff said he was going to talk about the essence of what Trump was saying, and then he did just that.  That some very stupid people don't understand rhetorical devices doesn't make their misunderstanding valid. 

[DDD Dad 14,352]

5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Christ, you can't understand the difference between handing them a talking point that actually has some validity versus them gaslighting the American people about utter bullshit that they make up.  Stop with the "own goal" lunacy -- this WAS an own goal by Shiff. 

Does it rank up there with even the mildest Trump missteps?  No, it doesn't.  But it's still a misstep, and one that could have been completely avoided.  Nobody's pearl-clutching here.  You could let it die but you won't, and then you point fingers and say "see, this is why we lose elections!".  No, it isn't.

Point made.  I think fair minded people can disagree, Jimmy.  Can we move on now?

[softlynow 1,840]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Christ, you can't understand the difference between handing them a talking point that actually has some validity versus them gaslighting the American people about utter bullshit that they make up.  Stop with the "own goal" lunacy -- this WAS an own goal by Shiff. 

Does it rank up there with even the mildest Trump missteps?  No, it doesn't.  But it's still a misstep, and one that could have been completely avoided.  Nobody's pearl-clutching here.  You could let it die but you won't, and then you point fingers and say "see, this is why we lose elections!".  No, it isn't.

It's not a misstep. At all. You seriously want Dems to lay back and play it safe in the face of calls for retaliation and insurrection? You want to leave open the vacuum in which they will pump their gaslighting talking points instead of strapping in for the street fight to come? Great. You're not a wartime consigliere, Tom. Go take a seat over there and let those with the stomach for this fight take the lead.

[Dahobbs 17,699]

7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Christ, you can't understand the difference between handing them a talking point that actually has some validity versus them gaslighting the American people about utter bullshit that they make up.  Stop with the "own goal" lunacy -- this WAS an own goal by Shiff. 

Does it rank up there with even the mildest Trump missteps?  No, it doesn't.  But it's still a misstep, and one that could have been completely avoided.  Nobody's pearl-clutching here.  You could let it die but you won't, and then you point fingers and say "see, this is why we lose elections!".  No, it isn't.

I'm sorry, what? I could let what die? What the fuck are you babbling about. There is nothing legitimate or valid about this complaint. It is bullshit and I will call it bullshit. Stop being a fucking pussy.

[Mojo Hand 4,580]

The only misstep would be if Dems start scolding Schiff and/or make him walk it back.   That's what Trump is desperately trying to bait Dems into doing: put Dems on the defensive and roll out the standard playbook. 

[Bateshorn 9,942]

Schiff?  We're still talking Adam Schiff?  Schiff?  Not the President openly admitting to attacking our elections or calling for a civil war.  Not accusing a duly elected Member of Congress of treason.  We're talking Schiff.  Schiff. 

 

Edited September 30, 2019 by Bateshorn

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,900]

Seriously. Some of you should take a break for a while

[Biff Tannen 45,750]

2 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Schiff?  We're still talking Adam Schiff?  Schiff?  Not the President openly admitting to attacking our elections or calling for a civil war.  Not accusing a duly elected Member of Congress of treason.  We're talking Schiff.  Schiff. 

 

 

Fox News

GOP lawmaker digs up audio of Schiff telling prank callers he would accept Trump dirt from Ukraine

Florida GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz has dug up a nearly two-year-old prank call in which House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Adam Schiff indicated to two Russian radio hosts posing as a Ukranian politician that he would be willing to accept damaging anti-Trump information.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Biff Tannen
to be clear, I am not endorsing this, just showing that Fox is already on it

[tantric superman 4,668]

4 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Seriously. Some of you should take a break for a while

Advice taken. 

Unless something new comes up on my twitter feed.

[jimmyjazz 46,235]

17 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

There is no validity to this.   Schiff said he was going to talk about the essence of what Trump was saying, and then he did just that.  That some very stupid people don't understand rhetorical devices doesn't make their misunderstanding valid. 

Well, I never knew I was very stupid, but thanks for clearing that up.

[jimmyjazz 46,235]

14 minutes ago, softlynow said:

It's not a misstep. At all. You seriously want Dems to lay back and play it safe in the face of calls for retaliation and insurrection? You want to leave open the vacuum in which they will pump their gaslighting talking points instead of strapping in for the street fight to come? Great. You're not a wartime consigliere, Tom. Go take a seat over there and let those with the stomach for this fight take the lead.

NO I don't want Dems to play it safe.  I've been advocating the exact opposite for years now.  That doesn't mean they have to go for broke in every setting.

Fuck it, I'm done.

[TexLonghorn 5,671]

Not in reference to you at all, but in all honesty, those that are very stupid do indeed rarely know they are very stupid.

[DixonHur 11,395]

The fact that this is even a minuscule issue after almost 3 years of Trump committing one impeachable offense after another is the biggest indictment of the American public and why we're proper fucked regardless of what happens in 2020.

I hate to break it to y'all, but Pandora ain't going back in the box.

[Mojo Hand 4,580]

10 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Well, I never knew I was very stupid, but thanks for clearing that up.

I wasn't talking about you.   Clearly everyone here understands what Schiff was doing.   You don't think Schiff was actually trying to fabricate quotes by Trump and present them as really appearing in the transcript, right?    The issue we all recognize is that it's easily prone to misrepresentation by Trump to stupid people.  Some non-stupid people, including you, seem to think that it was a mistake to provide that ammunition, others like me that it wasn't for various reasons, stupid people be damned.   And I think both takes are reasonable. 

Edited September 30, 2019 by Mojo Hand

[sachick 1,189]

20 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Seriously. Some of you should take a break for a while

For real. It's like dealing with my kids. Neither one can be wrong and both have to have the last word. It just goes on and on.

[jimmyjazz 46,235]

6 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

I wasn't talking about you.   Clearly everyone here understands what Schiff was doing.   You don't think Schiff was actually trying to fabricate quotes by Trump and present them as really appearing in the transcript, right?    The issue we all recognize is that it's easily prone to misrepresentation by Trump to stupid people.  Some, including you, seem to think that it was a mistake to provide that ammunition, others like me that it wasn't for various reasons, stupid people be damned. 

My basic counter would be that stupid people get to vote, too.  The obvious counterargument to that would be that most of them voted in 2016, so there's little damage to be done by revving them up.

Ultimately, I'm concerned that the 2016 election results hinged on small differences in large numbers, roughly 80,000 out of 130,000,000 votes.  Small swings matter.

Edited September 30, 2019 by jimmyjazz

[sachick 1,189]

17 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Advice taken. 

Unless something new comes up on my twitter feed.

So you'll be back in about 20 minutes then.

[Pancho 45,070]

 

[4th&Five 41,600]

 

[suddenly shaggy 929]

Since 2013?

Thanks Obama. 

[scottsins 1,975]

Double post.

[scottsins 1,975]

Fox News GOP lawmaker digs up audio of Schiff telling prank callers he would accept Trump dirt from Ukraine Florida GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz has dug up a nearly two-year-old prank call in which House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Adam Schiff indicated to two Russian radio hosts posing as a Ukranian politician that he would be willing to accept damaging anti-Trump information.

 

This prank call story isn’t new and the stuff wasn’t just “dug up”.

 

ETA: Also, the facts of what happened are totally benign.

[Brisketexan 105,445]

19 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Dude, Trump is the MASTER of taking credit for shit that was already happening.

[TheFlyingBoat 907]

Trump Pressed Australian Leader to Help Barr Investigate Mueller Inquiry’s Origins

 

 

President Trump pushed the Australian prime minister during a recent telephone call to help Attorney General William P. Barr gather information for a Justice Department inquiry that Mr. Trump hopes will discredit the Mueller investigation, according to two American officials with knowledge of the calls 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/us/politics/trump-australia-barr-mueller.html?

Edited September 30, 2019 by TheFlyingBoat

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Dude, Trump is the MASTER of taking credit for shit that was already happening.

The latest barrage of tweets (what I call the "jobs" tweets) are most likely staff. Trump is swearing in the Secretary of Labor and meeting with the Secretary of State this afternoon (right now, actually). The paranoid tweets are attributed to him via factbase. I'm guessing his staff is attempting to keep a steady stream of tweeting "jobs" tweets to get the rest of his diatribes pushed down the timeline and remind supporters that Democrats want to take all their toys away cuz 'socialism'.

[4th&Five 41,600]

 

[Brisketexan 105,445]

Just now, 4th&Five said:

 

Well, it probably started with a discussion about how great Ivanka's tits are.