Donald Trump 2019

[4th&Five 41586]

 

[Chooky 13318]

19 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

He has the brain of a toddler.  Seriously, a moat with alligators and spikes?  That’s little kid shit.  

So, you know, “He thinks just like us!”

The floor is lava. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26531]

It's only been a week, but this seems to be holding up.

They look like they are starting to circle wagons to me. It just took a bit.

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Its now October and our President is still a traitor to the US.

[henrygandorf 29194]

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

He’s a comic book villain. 

he wishes.

at best, he's evil bobby newport.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Trumpy the Payday Slayer

 

Edited October 1, 2019 by Mojo Hand

[TommyGufano 6021]

5 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Trump the Payday Slayer

 

Somebody better notify Swam

[Mo Horn 8854]

Losing all touch with reality

[henrygandorf 29194]

lulz at lumping border wall in like its part of the bill of rights. 

[Gil Bang 26001]

 

[The People’s Elbow 707]

10 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

Losing all touch with reality

Unbelievably irresponsible and dangerous. Best thing that could happen to this country is this guy naturally croaking soon.  

[Doc Sam Beckett 5797]

Hahaha jfc 

[Message Board User 12396]

2 minutes ago, The People’s Elbow said:

Unbelievably irresponsible and dangerous. Best thing that could happen to this country is this guy naturally croaking soon.  

Yeah, because it's Trump, people kind of laugh this off and think of it as no big deal as he says all sorts of stupid shit.

But the POTUS talking about civil war and a coup is a huge deal and things are going to be real sporty in the next 12-15 months.

[henrygandorf 29194]

Just now, Message Board User said:

But the POTUS talking about civil war and a coup is a huge deal and things are going to be real sporty in the next 12-15 months.

it's also hard to get scared of his mention of a coup when over half the country is actively rooting for one.

[Celery Man 20996]

I mean this is hardly whatever at this point but he’s the one who has actively pursued curtailing citizenship rights when he’s not trying to appoint Wile E Coyote to a cabinet position

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13587]

He can't be corrupted because his campaign is all self-financed!

[horncyclist 1391]

7 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Yeah, because it's Trump, people kind of laugh this off and think of it as no big deal as he says all sorts of stupid shit.

But the POTUS talking about civil war and a coup is a huge deal and things are going to be real sporty in the next 12-15 months.

I said this a day or two ago but it bears repeating that if he's not removed in the next 3-4 months, I don't know if he will be--absent dying in office. He'll rig the election--one way or another--and that will be it. Think about how much damage he could then. 

[Queen Bitch 1692]

2 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

That board is 95 percent Russian/eastern European trolls. Its what happens when the moderators of a board fail to moderate and actually agree with the Russian trolls stance.

First of all, anyone who has ever been to Louisiana knows that while the people there are pretty ignorant, they aren’t quite that dumb and are not such big right wingers that they are actually going to spend the time getting on the internet to post about politics. Getting on the internet to post about the saints, yes. Getting on the internet to post about impeachment of trump, no. 

Second, even if they did want to get on the internet to post about trump, 80 percent of them couldn’t figure out how to do it anyway. And surely not on tiger droppings. 

That board is a complete fraud. The good news is it brought us Hugo (ha ha). 

Okay, then sub in Texags.  It reads the exact same, and the majority of posters are verified alum with their little Ag Tags or whatever.

[Message Board User 12396]

22 minutes ago, horncyclist said:

I said this a day or two ago but it bears repeating that if he's not removed in the next 3-4 months, I don't know if he will be--absent dying in office. He'll rig the election--one way or another--and that will be it. Think about how much damage he could then. 

Imagine, for a minute, that Trump remains in office throughout 2020 but loses on Election Day.

Does anybody think he'll be a gracious loser, concede, and ride off quietly into that good night?

The next 12-15 months are going to be sporty and the conventions are going to be insane.

[Francisco 2.0 32426]

2 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Imagine, for a minute, that Trump remains in office throughout 2020 but loses on Election Day.

Does anybody think he'll be a gracious loser, concede, and ride off quietly into that good night?

The next 12-15 months are going to be sporty and the conventions are going to be insane.

Oh hell no.

He would send out hundreds of tweets in all caps screaming about deep state, illegals voting, Clintons, Mueller, fake news, etc.  In other words, nothing different than today.

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

1 minute ago, Message Board User said:

Imagine, for a minute, that Trump remains in office throughout 2020 but loses on Election Day.

Does anybody think he'll be a gracious loser, concede, and ride off quietly into that good night?

The next 12-15 months are going to be sporty and the conventions are going to be insane.

Imagine that half the population doesn't trust the results of the election, questions the voting system, and by extension, truly questions the validity of the government. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

[WhatTheBuck 28797]

9 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Imagine that half the population doesn't trust the results of the election, questions the voting system, and by extension, truly questions the validity of the government. 

All according to Putin's plan. 

[henrygandorf 29194]

11 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Oh hell no.

He would send out hundreds of tweets in all caps screaming about deep state, illegals voting, Clintons, Mueller, fake news, etc.  In other words, nothing different than today.

forget tweets.  he'll have lawyers challenging results in every county, including those he won.

it needs to be an absolute drubbing (which i think it will be) for most of the country to just say fuck off and accept it.

at that point, they need to turn off his twitter acct.  then i think he pulls a paterno and drops dead within a year.

[Message Board User 12396]

3 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

forget tweets.  he'll have lawyers challenging results in every county, including those he won.

it needs to be an absolute drubbing (which i think it will be) for most of the country to just say fuck off and accept it.

at that point, they need to turn off his twitter acct.  then i think he pulls a paterno and drops dead within a year.

And then Donald Jr or Eric run in 2024.

[henrygandorf 29194]

1 minute ago, Message Board User said:

And then Donald Jr or Eric run in 2024.

it'll be ivanka or kushner.

[horncyclist 1391]

17 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Imagine that half the population doesn't trust the results of the election, questions the voting system, and by extension, truly questions the validity of the government. 

You wonder if this outcome--one way or another-- is inevitable at this point. Whether Trump wins or loses--whether there's interference or fraud or not. If Putin wanted to divide America it seems Project Trump is succeeding beyond his wildest expectations. I'm hopeful a leader like Warren could emerge and unite enough the country that we can move on somehow but at the same time I've never been so pessimistic. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Every now and then I’m thankful Joe Biden is in this race.  This is one of those times. 

[Bookman 4640]

I need to turn off the television. I'm going to get fat if I keep eating this much popcorn.

[Player 4576]

[Horn Dog 9912]

57 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Imagine that half the population doesn't trust the results of the election, questions the voting system, and by extension, truly questions the validity of the government. 

Unfortunately I am already in that half...

[atomheartbevo 89787]

1 hour ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Imagine that half the population doesn't trust the results of the election, questions the voting system, and by extension, truly questions the validity of the government. 

They will do the same thing they did when Obama won twice, they'll watch their Fox News and OAN and listen to Rush Limbaugh, they'll open their pantries and nod knowingly at their Jim Bakker Barrels of Slop, they'll bitch on Facebook and twitter about libtards, and they'll look at the calendar to see when their next Social Security or pension check arrives, and they will quietly seethe at their lesbian niece who brought her girlfriend to the family reunion, while pretending to like their half-black or half-Hispanic grandchild.

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

They will do the same thing they did when Obama won twice, they'll watch their Fox News and OAN and listen to Rush Limbaugh, they'll open their pantries and nod knowingly at their Jim Bakker Barrels of Slop, they'll bitch on Facebook and twitter about libtards, and they'll look at the calendar to see when their next Social Security or pension check arrives, and they will quietly seethe at their lesbian niece who brought her girlfriend to the family reunion, while pretending to like their half-black or half-Hispanic grandchild.

That's the thing, it could be you and me who end up not trusting the vote results, and thus thinking there is a valid government. 

[NWBuck 8585]

9 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

They will do the same thing they did when Obama won twice, they'll watch their Fox News and OAN and listen to Rush Limbaugh, they'll open their pantries and nod knowingly at their Jim Bakker Barrels of Slop, they'll bitch on Facebook and twitter about libtards, and they'll look at the calendar to see when their next Social Security or pension check arrives, and they will quietly seethe at their lesbian niece who brought her girlfriend to the family reunion, while pretending to like their half-black or half-Hispanic grandchild.

Holy shit... Have you been studying my parents? 

[F250 28817]

5 hours ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I grew up in a SE Texas refinery town. Of my HS graduating class of 500ish people, I'd bet 400 either work in plants, supporting the plants, or have spouses or other family that do. Their mindset at the moment is "if I lose my job to help Trump MAGA, so be it. It will be better in the long run, then we will be making big bucks when we break China and all the illegals stealing our jerbs are gone!!" 

It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Lets see how they feel when they can't make a house payment and the F250 gets repoed. 

Trump ran an excellent populist campaign and has managed not to disenfranchise his base once elected.  Usually Presidents disappoint their base due to governing differently than they campaigned but that is to be expected because a President's job is to govern for the country and not their base.

Trump does not govern but chooses to spend his Presidency slinging red meat to his base, the welfare of the country be damned. Of course his economic promises will turn out to be a giant fuck you to the working class because he doesn't know what he is doing. Still, as long as he keeps playing the greatest hits the base of his support will remain.

 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

3 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/politics/trump-border-wars.html

 

 

 

 

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This article is based on interviews with more than a dozen White House and administration officials directly involved in the events of that week in March. They were granted anonymity to describe sensitive conversations with the president and top officials in the government.

In the Oval Office that March afternoon, a 30-minute meeting extended to more than two hours as Mr. Trump’s team tried desperately to placate him.

“You are making me look like an idiot!” Mr. Trump shouted, adding in a profanity, as multiple officials in the room described it. “I ran on this. It’s my issue.’’

Among those in the room were Kirstjen Nielsen, the Homeland Security secretary at the time; Mike Pompeo, the secretary of state; Kevin K. McAleenan, the Customs and Border Protection chief at the time; and Stephen Miller, the White House aide who, more than anyone, had orchestrated Mr. Trump’s immigration agenda. Mick Mulvaney, the acting chief of staff was also there, along with Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, and other senior staff.

Ms. Nielsen, a former aide to George W. Bush brought into the department by John F. Kelly, the president’s former chief of staff, was in a perilous position. She had always been viewed with suspicion by the president, who told aides she was “a Bushie,” and part of the “deep state” who once contributed to a group that supported Jeb Bush’s presidential campaign.

Mr. Trump had routinely berated Ms. Nielsen as ineffective and, worse — at least in his mind — not tough-looking enough. “Lou Dobbs hates you, Ann Coulter hates you, you’re making me look bad,’’ Mr. Trump would tell her, referring to the Fox Business Network host and the conservative commentator.

The happiest he had been with Ms. Nielsen was a few months earlier, when American border agents had fired tear gas into Mexico to try to stop migrants from crossing into the United States. Human rights organizations condemned the move, but Mr. Trump loved it. More often, though, she drew the president’s scorn.

That March day, he was furious at Mr. Pompeo, too, for having cut a deal with Mexico to allow the United States to reject some asylum seekers — a plan Mr. Trump said was clearly failing.

A complete shutdown of the border, Mr. Trump said, was the only way.

Ms. Nielsen had tried reasoning with the president on many occasions. When she stood up to him during a cabinet meeting the previous spring, he excoriated her and she almost resigned.

Now, she tried again to reason with him.

We can close the border, she told the president, but it’s not going to fix anything. People will still be permitted to claim asylum.

But Mr. Trump was unmoved. Even Mr. Kushner, who had developed relationships with Mexican officials and now sided with Ms. Nielsen, could not get through to him.

“All you care about is your friends in Mexico,” the president snapped, according to people in the room. “I’ve had it. I want it done at noon tomorrow.”

The Start of an Overhaul

The president’s advisers left the meeting in a near panic.

Every year more than $200 billion worth of American exports flow across the Mexican border. Closing it would wreck havoc on American farmers and automakers, among many others. Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky and the majority leader, said in an interview at the time that a border shutdown would have “a potentially catastrophic economic impact on our country.’’

That night, White House advisers succeeded in convincing the president to give them a reprieve, but only for a week, until the following Friday. That gave them very little time to change the president’s mind.

They started by pressuring their Mexican counterparts to rapidly increase apprehensions of migrants. Mr. Kushner and others in the West Wing showered the president with emails proving that the Mexicans had already started apprehending more migrants before they could enter the United States.

White House advisers encouraged a stream of corporate executives, Republican lawmakers and officials from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to tell Mr. Trump how damaging a border closure would be.

Mr. Miller, meanwhile, saw an opportunity.

It was his view that the president needed to completely overhaul the Homeland Security Department and get rid of senior officials who he believed were thwarting efforts to block immigrants. Although many were the president’s handpicked aides, Mr. Miller told him they had become part of the problem by constantly citing legal hurdles.

Ms. Nielsen, who regularly found herself telling Mr. Trump why he couldn’t have what he wanted, was an obvious target. When the president demanded “flat black” paint on his border wall, she said it would cost an additional $1 million per mile. When he ordered wall construction sped up, she said they needed permission from property owners. Take the land, Mr. Trump would say, and let them sue us.

When Ms. Nielsen tried to get him to focus on something other than the border, the president grew impatient. During a briefing on the need for new legal authority to take down drones, Mr. Trump cut her off midsentence.

“Kirstjen, you didn’t hear me the first time, honey,” Mr. Trump said, according to two people familiar with the conversation. “Shoot ’em down. Sweetheart, just shoot ’em out of the sky, O.K.?”

But the problem went deeper than Ms. Nielsen, Mr. Miller believed. L. Francis Cissna, the head of the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services until earlier this year, regularly pushed back on Mr. Miller’s demand for a “culture change” at the agency, where Mr. Miller believed asylum officers were bleeding hearts, too quick to extend protections to immigrants.

They needed to start with the opposite point of view, Mr. Miller told him, and start turning people away.

John Mitnick, the homeland security general counsel who often raised legal concerns about Mr. Trump’s immigration policies, was also on Mr. Miller’s blacklist. Mr. Miller had also turned against Ronald D. Vitiello, a top official at Customs and Border Protection who the president had nominated to lead Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

By midweek, the campaign to change Mr. Trump’s mind about closing the border seemed to be working.

Maybe there’s another way to do this, the president told Ms. Nielsen. How about if I impose tariffs on the Mexicans, or threaten to impose tariffs? Tariffs are great.

But the staff worried that his retreat would only be temporary. The president never really let go of his obsessions.

They were right. On a trip to California late in the week, Mr. Trump turned to Mr. McAleenan, the Customs and Border Protection chief, with a new idea: He wanted him to stop letting migrants cross the border at all, with no exceptions. If you get into any trouble for it, Mr. Trump told him, I’ll pardon you.

The Turning Point

Once on the ground, Mr. Trump met up with Ms. Nielsen and worked a room filled with Border Patrol agents. Start turning away migrants at the border, he told them. My message to you is, keep them all out, the president said. Every single one of them. The country is full.

After the president left the room, Mr. McAleenan told the agents to ignore the president. You absolutely do not have the authority to stop processing migrants altogether, he warned.

As she and her staff flew back to Washington that Friday evening, Ms. Nielsen called the president. She knew he was angry with her.

“Sir, I know you’re really frustrated,” she told him. The president invited her to meet with him on Sunday in the White House residence.

Ms. Nielsen knew that Miller wanted her out, so she spent the flight huddled with aides on a strategy for getting control of the border, a Hail Mary pass. She called it the “Six C’s” — Congress, Courts, Communications, Countries, Criminals, Cartels.

Unbeknown to her, Ms. Nielsen’s staff started work on her letter of resignation.

When Ms. Nielsen presented her plan to Mr. Trump at the White House, he dismissed it and told her what he really needed was a cement wall.

“Sir,” she said, “I literally don’t think that’s even possible.” They couldn’t build that now even if it would work, which it wouldn’t, Ms. Nielsen told him. The designs for steel barriers had long since been finalized, the contracts bid and signed.

The president responded that it was time for her to go, Mr. Trump recalled later. “Kirstjen, I want to make a change,” he said.

The president said he would wait a week to announce her resignation, to leave time for a transition. But before Ms. Nielsen had left the White House that day, the word was leaking out. By evening, Mr. Trump was tweeting about it.

“Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen will be leaving her position,” Trump wrote, “and I would like to thank her for her service.”

The dismissal was a turning point for Mr. Trump’s immigration agenda, the start of the purge that ushered in a team that embraced Mr. Miller’s policies.

Mr. Trump quickly dismissed Claire M. Grady, the homeland security under secretary, and moved Mr. McAleenan to take Ms. Nielsen’s old job. Within two months, Mr. Cissna was out as well, replaced by Kenneth T. Cuccinelli II, a former Virginia attorney general and an immigration hard-liner.

On August 12, Mr. Cuccinelli announced that the government would deny green cards for immigrants deemed likely to become “public charges.” Nine days later, Mr. McAleenan announced regulations to allow immigrant families to be detained indefinitely.

In the months since the purge, the president has repeated his threat of placing tariffs on Mexico to spur aggressive enforcement at the border. Mr. McAleenan and Mr. Cuccinelli have embraced restrictive asylum rules. And the Pentagon approved shifting $3.6 billion to build the wall.

Mr. Trump has continued to face resistance in the courts and public outrage about his immigration agenda. But the people who tried to restrain him have largely been replaced.

In the interview with The Times this past summer, Mr. Trump said he had seriously considered sealing the border during March, but acknowledged that doing so would have been “very severe.”

“The problem you have with the laws the way they are, we can have 100,000 of our soldiers standing up there — they can’t do a thing,” Mr. Trump said ruefully.

 

Simulation

[Pasken 1309]

9 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Simulation

god damn that dude hates Mexicans.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Mega thread

[Mapache 1117]

2 minutes ago, Pasken said:

god damn that dude hates Mexicans.

The evangelicals still supporting this evil, moronic piece of shit who wants to shoot immigrants in the legs can go straight to hell

[Bookman 4640]

12 minutes ago, Pasken said:

god damn that dude hates Mexicans.

I grew up on the border and was in favor of having a strong border. Now, after watching 63,000,000 vote for this piece of shit, I think we need a lot more new blood in this country.

[Jack Straw 2954]

2 hours ago, horncyclist said:

He'll rig the election--one way or another--and that will be it.

This is exactly what will happen.  

[High Plains Drifter 11052]

3 hours ago, Chooky said:

The floor is lava. 

Only the tiled and hardwood parts. Carpets are safe.

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

That board is 95 percent Russian/eastern European trolls. Its what happens when the moderators of a board fail to moderate and actually agree with the Russian trolls stance.
First of all, anyone who has ever been to Louisiana knows that while the people there are pretty ignorant, they aren’t quite that dumb and are not such big right wingers that they are actually going to spend the time getting on the internet to post about politics. Getting on the internet to post about the saints, yes. Getting on the internet to post about impeachment of trump, no. 
Second, even if they did want to get on the internet to post about trump, 80 percent of them couldn’t figure out how to do it anyway. And surely not on tiger droppings. 
That board is a complete fraud. The good news is it brought us Hugo (ha ha). 

one can be wise with one’s hands and still have incredibly deep insights into the human condition and ways of the world, and not be afraid to do the right thing.

[wildcat09 29378]

27 minutes ago, Bookman said:

I grew up on the border and was in favor of having a strong border. Now, after watching 63,000,000 vote for this piece of shit, I think we need a lot more new blood in this country.

I say this a lot but I’d gladly do 1 for 1 trades and replace the entire white populations of Oklahoma, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Alabama with Hispanic immigrants.

[Pescado_Rojo 19428]

3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I say this a lot but I’d gladly do 1 for 1 trades and replace the entire white populations of Oklahoma, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Alabama with Hispanic immigrants.

You left out Kansas, Missouri, and Pennsyltucky. 

[Mdhorn 5987]

3 hours ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Imagine that half the population doesn't trust the results of the election, questions the voting system, and by extension, truly questions the validity of the government. 

Don't care as long as they're not Democrats. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

We really need a Rudy thread.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Cousin fucker must be in the title 

[elfenix 34332]

Shut your fucking face cousin fucker

[NWBuck 8585]

2 hours ago, elfenix said:

Shut your fucking face cousin fucker