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Today the President has one activity that is scheduled for less than an hour. Perhaps he is resting up before he holds his rally tomorrow in swing state Michigan.

The activity is welcoming, talking, and bidding adieu to the President and First Lady of Guatemala.

I took a quick look at the Governors' Roundtable yesterday. The Dept. of Energy was there and a list of the Governors who spoke. Abbott may have been in attendance, but if so, he did not speak. Considering the meeting concerned some energy regs, I figured he (Abbott) might be front and center but perhaps the focus was more on drilling in Alaska and other protected areas since *Trump & Co are trying to get those protections lifted. The only part of the discussion recorded is the section where the press is allowed in, so I wouldn't be surprised to see that announcement what with his rally coming up and all. (**People in Michigan at the rally won't care about pollution if it happens somewhere else and to someone else).

 

*"And I think they're very happy about the fact that we have cut regulations like nobody in the history of our country....And we've cut more than any President ever, and we're going to cut a lot more."--President Trump

 

**"Well, Mr. President, thank you again for leading on the regulatory reform. It's really a key thing, especially things -- when you get rid of job-killing things like the Waters of the U.S."--That was Pete Ricketts, Governor of Nebraska

**"I can't think of a President that's helped Alaska more than you have, with trying to deregulate a number of the projects that we've been working on, helping us gain a leg up again to be one of the top energy-producing states in the country." Mike Dunleavy, Governor of Alaska

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8 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I can't imagine what type of effort it'd take to lie 15 times a day in public.

Neither can I, but when one lies about everything such as hurricanes, ammo, and how large one's penis is, I expect the numbers add up quickly.

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19 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I can't imagine what type of effort it'd take to lie 15 times a day in public.

Not to excuse him, or justify anything, but many of his lies are due to pure ignorance. He doesn't read anything, or get any substantial briefings, so pretty much everything he says is just whatever pops into his addled brain. He has no idea, nor does he care, if it's true or not... as long as it's about him and makes him look good. 

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25 minutes ago, RPM said:

I've seen SC Justices do interviews before.

I've seen justices do panel interviews or prime time interviews (i.e. Sotomayor on 60 minutes), not sure I've ever seen a Justice go onto a propaganda show  such as fox and friends, certainly not a good precedent. 

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22 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

I've seen justices do panel interviews or prime time interviews (i.e. Sotomayor on 60 minutes), not sure I've ever seen a Justice go onto a propaganda show  such as fox and friends, certainly not a good precedent. 

No, Ginsburg was on a CBS Sunday Morning thing a while back too.  I don't think any of them should be giving interviews really.  I can understand a 60 Minutes type interview talking about their life and what got them to the bench but aside from that, nah.  They should be kept mostly out of the public eye.  If you want to learn about them, read their opinions.

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9 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

I'm starting to think some of these Trump supporters aren't that bright.

 

 

 

 

saw this last night.  I can't believe (I mean I can but still) a dude had a shirt that had the rest of the trump family taking over the presidency after the orange one, all the way down to Baron.  Also his "math" was all off and his failure to acknowledge or notice it was amazing to watch.  Some of them are completely lost and there's no hope.

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No, Ginsburg was on a CBS Sunday Morning thing a while back too.  I don't think any of them should be giving interviews really.  I can understand a 60 Minutes type interview talking about their life and what got them to the bench but aside from that, nah.  They should be kept mostly out of the public eye.  If you want to learn about them, read their opinions.
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Not one of you GOP Senate dumbasses thought to coach the President up on this topic?  One of you couldn't tip him off and say, "Mr. President, we got your back on this Impeachment deal if it gets to the Senate sir.  In the meantime, just an FYI-we are all in absolute lockstep up here on the Hill to formally condemn the Turks for their genocide of the Armenians.  Just a heads-up, that vote is coming out and will reach Europe soon.  No big deal, mostly symbolic.  Let's just let it pass the Senate and get it out there, and you can just skip over it and we can all get back to battling this bullshit Impeachment stuff.  Sound good, Mr. President?" 

Good luck selling this one to your friends in Israel, you fucking morons.  Then again, how do we expect the President to know about this horrific event of recent history when he proudly admits he doesn't read or know shit about history?  

This ignorance over an act of genocide should play real well with all those Jews that supposedly love this President.  

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7 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Not one of you GOP Senate dumbasses thought to coach the President up on this topic?  One of you couldn't tip him off and say, "Mr. President, we got your back on this Impeachment deal if it gets to the Senate sir.  In the meantime, just an FYI-we are all in absolute lockstep up here on the Hill to formally condemn the Turks for their genocide of the Armenians.  Just a heads-up, that vote is coming out and will reach Europe soon.  No big deal, mostly symbolic.  Let's just let it pass the Senate and get it out there, and you can just skip over it and we can all get back to battling this bullshit Impeachment stuff.  Sound good, Mr. President?" 

Good luck selling this one to your friends in Israel, you fucking morons.  Then again, how do we expect the President to know about this horrific event of recent history when he proudly admits he doesn't read or know shit about history?  

This ignorance over an act of genocide should play real well with all those Jews that supposedly love this President.  

I think you are, perhaps, forgetting that to this president genocides/massacres are a good thing if it means he wins.

He would not bat an eyelash at having the "most best", largest and most perfect genocide or massacre. He may say a few words lies, but if untold deaths are the price he pays to close the deal, that is what he would make happen.

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On 12/16/2019 at 11:47 AM, Brisketexan said:

Automatons who know how to turn a wrench in one direction are useful tools, and not much else.  The problem is, equipping people with an education that sets them up for broader success also makes them MUCH less susceptible to simplistic fear-mongering and bullshit, because they can get enough intellectual altitude to look down on what you're laying out, and see it as pure bullshit.  And we can't have that.

And you also have otherwise intelligent people who never develop a "big picture" in spite of getting some degree of education that should have helped them build one. They can download plenty of knowledge into their memory banks, and recite it wherever it seems relevant in order to attempt an argument, but none of it ever gets integrated. They trust only their own present understanding of everything around them, instead of growing up, joining the human race, and learning how to discern who to trust properly. They pass themselves off as intellectuals, but they're imposters -- in reality, they're some of the least scholarly people you'll ever meet, and that includes the barbarians that show up at Trump rallies.

Their underlying bias is that they're the smartest person in the room, no matter who else is in it, and they will literally never consider any idea that challenges their present worldview, except to find some superficial hole they can poke. Since they have spent their whole lives mimicking intellectuals, they can be hard to spot sometimes. But I find when I talk to them about politics, it doesn't take long to snuff them out.

They all voted for Gary Johnson.

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Yeah, but he's usually self-serving.  This helps no Republican and does not help him at all.  I know he needs the affection and admiration of the Turkish President, I think he did this as a "getting back at" the cool kids at NATO that were making fun of him.  It makes the Senate Republicans look weak and contradictory, it undermines President Trump since they will remember that even when they ask him for small token things that they are in unison about, he'll still fuck them over.  Their relationship depends on him taking a fucking hint every now and again.  It looks bad to his Jewish/Israeli continent, it looks bad to Europe, it looks bad to Americans that consider 1.5 million deaths to be somewhat of a bad thing, it's even bad to his base who thinks, "Who gives a shit if we upset Turkey, we ain't no damn Obama queers going on some weak-ass apology tour.  Call those Turkish bastards out for the shit they done."  

Unless there's some Turkish swing voter group in Wisconsin somewhere and this is the smartest long game in the history of politics.  

 

Otherwise, if you Democrats were half-smart...you'd use the Trump message machine to broadcast what an awful fuckup this was on Trump's part.   Keep it simple and accusatory:

"A 100 years ago, Middle Eastern Muslims (don't even bother with Turkey or Ottoman Empire) killed 1.5 million Christians (don't even bother with Armenians).  Islam took 1.5 million Christian lives, and your valiant Republican Senators took a stand against that and called it out for what it is.  And your Hero President thinks the Muslims were justified in what they did and doesn't care about all those dead Christians.  All the world, including Mitch McConnell, think Muslims killing that many Christians is bad.  Trump thinks it was good."  

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4 hours ago, bolverk said:

I can't imagine what type of effort it'd take to lie 15 times a day in public.

Effort? It's more under the category of compulsive pathology. You would require effort because lying is extraneous to your habits. If you were a compulsive liar, it would take not effort at all. Effort would be needed to tell the truth.

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This was Erdogan's (public) threat:

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We should oppose [the US] by reciprocating such decisions in parliament. And that is what we will do," Mr Erdogan said during an interview on the pro-government A Haber news channel.

"Can we speak about America without mentioning [Native Americans]? It is a shameful moment in US history," he continued.

Yeah, no shit.  We massacred the Native Americans.  We stole their land.  We, at least most of us, don't pretend otherwise. 

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7 minutes ago, Tuco said:

This was Erdogan's (public) threat:

Yeah, no shit.  We massacred the Native Americans.  We stole their land.  We, at least most of us, don't pretend otherwise. 

So this is a long game by Erdogan and Trump to open up an Aremnian gaming facility in Turkey called "Trump Hotel & Casino-Ankara"  ???

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27 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Effort? It's more under the category of compulsive pathology. You would require effort because lying is extraneous to your habits. If you were a compulsive liar, it would take not effort at all. Effort would be needed to tell the truth.

It is absolutely a pathology.  Take Trump's claim that TIME Magazine called him to discuss a photo shoot for "Man Of The Year 2019".  If we're to believe Trump, he rejected the "honor" (no doubt he thinks it's an honor) because he's too busy.

But TIME never called him.  It's imaginary, and his staff is running interference to claim otherwise.  Let's be clear on this:  Trump is most likely mentally ill, with no ability to discern truth from fiction, and yet his staff willfully aligns with what is obviously fiction.

Trump's problem is concerning.  The fact that seemingly sane Americans willfully go along with his lies, which they KNOW are lies, is much more than concerning.  It's terrifying.  But here we are.

The answer?  Civil war.  That's where this is heading.  It will be guaranteed 11 months from now.

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https://apnews.com/b5ca596edb800391679d9d75162b73ea

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is angrily objecting to the House of Representatives’ articles of impeachment, accusing Democrats of “perversion of justice and abuse of power” in their effort to remove him from office.

In a fiery letter Tuesday to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on the eve of his expected impeachment, Trump maintained that he did nothing wrong in seeking foreign investigation of political rivals, and he attacked Democrats for focusing on impeachment rather than other issues.

Trump also repeated his objections to the process of the House inquiry, claiming “more due process was afforded to those accused in the Salem Witch Trials.”

Trump says he doesn’t believe his letter will change anything, but that he is registering his objections “for the purpose of history.”

Meanwhile at the Capitol, House Democrats and Republicans sparred over the rules of debate for Wednesday’s historic votes on impeaching Trump, dispatching the lofty rhetoric of constitutional duty for the rugged politics of the House action and Senate trial that is expected to follow.

The Democratic-majority House Rules Committee met through the day Tuesday, with lawmakers arguing over the parameters for Wednesday’s debate, which is expected to culminate in votes to make Trump the third president to be impeached in American history.

full text of unhinged six page ranting letter on official white house letterhead:

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December 17, 2019

The Honorable Nancy Pelosi

Speaker of the House of Representatives

Washington, D.C. 20515

Dear Madam Speaker:

I write to express my strongest and most powerful protest against the partisan impeachment crusade being pursued by the Democrats in the House of Representatives. This impeachment represents an unprecedented and unconstitutional abuse of power by Democrat Lawmakers, unequaled in nearly two and a half centuries of American legislative history.

The Articles of Impeachment introduced by the House Judiciary Committee are not recognizable under any standard of Constitutional theory, interpretation, or jurisprudence. They include no crimes, no misdemeanors, and no offenses whatsoever. You have cheapened the importance of the very ugly word, impeachment!

By proceeding with your invalid impeachment, you are violating your oaths of office, you are breaking your allegiance to the Constitution, and you are declaring open war on American Democracy. You dare to invoke the Founding Fathers in pursuit of this election-nullification scheme-yet your spiteful actions display unfettered contempt for America's founding and your egregious conduct threatens to destroy that which our Founders pledged their very lives to build. Even worse than offending the Founding Fathers, you are offending Americans of faith by continually saying "I pray for the President," when you know this statement is not true, unless it is meant in a negative sense. It is a terrible thing you are doing, but you will have to live with it, not I!

Your first claim, "Abuse of Power," is a completely disingenuous, meritless, and baseless invention of your imagination. You know that I had a totally innocent conversation with the President of Ukraine. I then had a second conversation that has been misquoted, mischaracterized, and fraudulently misrepresented. Fortunately, there was a transcript of the conversation taken, and you know from the transcript (which was immediately made available) that the paragraph in question was perfect. I said to President Zelensky: "I would like you to do us a favor, though, because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it." I said do us a favor, not me, and our country, not a campaign. I then mentioned the Attorney General of the United States. Every time I talk with a foreign leader, I put America's interests first, just as I did with President Zelensky.

You are turning a policy disagreement between two branches of government into an impeachable offense-it is no more legitimate than the Executive Branch charging members of Congress with crimes for the lawful exercise of legislative power.

You know full well that Vice President Biden used his office and $1 billion dollars of U.S. aid money to coerce Ukraine into firing the prosecutor who was digging into the company paying his son millions of dollars. You know this because Biden bragged about it on video. Biden openly stated: "I said, 'I'm telling you, you're not getting the billion dollars' ... I looked at them and said: 'I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money.' Well, son of a bitch. He got fired." Even Joe Biden admitted just days ago in an interview with NPR that it "looked bad." Now you are trying to impeach me by falsely accusing me of doing what Joe Biden has admitted he actually did.

President Zelensky has repeatedly declared that I did nothing wrong, and that there was No Pressure. He further emphasized that it was a "good phone call," that "I don't feel pressure," and explicitly stressed that "nobody pushed me." The Ukrainian Foreign Minister stated very clearly: "I have never seen a direct link between investigations and security assistance." He also said there was "No Pressure." Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, a supporter of Ukraine who met privately with President Zelensky, has said: "At no time during this meeting ... was there any mention by Zelensky or any Ukrainian that they were feeling pressure to do anything in return for the military aid." Many meetings have been held between representatives of Ukraine and our country. Never once did Ukraine complain about pressure being applied-not once! Ambassador Sondland testified that I told him: "No quid pro quo. I want nothing. I want nothing. I want President Zelensky to do the right thing, do what he ran on."

The second claim, so-called "Obstruction of Congress," is preposterous and dangerous. House Democrats are trying to impeach the duly elected President of the United States for asserting Constitutionally based privileges that have been asserted on a bipartisan basis by administrations of both political parties throughout our Nation's history. Under that standard, every American president would have been impeached many times over. As liberal law professor Jonathan Turley warned when addressing Congressional Democrats: "I can't emphasize this enough .. .if you impeach a president, if you make a high crime and misdemeanor out of going to the courts, it is an abuse of power. It's your abuse of power. You're doing precisely what you're criticizing the President for doing."

Everyone, you included, knows what is really happening. Your chosen candidate lost the election in 2016, in an Electoral College landslide (306-227), and you and your party have never recovered from this defeat. You have developed a full-fledged case of what many in the media call Trump Derangement Syndrome and sadly, you will never get over it! You are unwilling and unable to accept the verdict issued at the ballot box during the great Election of 2016. So you have spent three straight years attempting to overturn the will of the American people and nullify their votes. You view democracy as your enemy!

Speaker Pelosi, you admitted just last week at a public forum that your party's impeachment effort has been going on for "two and a half years," long before you ever heard about a phone call with Ukraine. Nineteen minutes after I took the oath of office, the Washington Post published a story headlined, "The Campaign to Impeach President Trump Has Begun." Less than three months after my inauguration, Representative Maxine Waters stated, "I'm going to fight every day until he's impeached." House Democrats introduced the first impeachment resolution against me within months of my inauguration, for what will be regarded as one of our country's best decisions, the firing of James Corney (see Inspector General Reports)-who the world now knows is one of the dirtiest cops our Natiou has ever seen. A ranting and raving Congresswoman, Rashida Tlaib, declared just hours after she was sworn into office, "We're gonna go in there and we're gonna impeach the motherfl'***r." Representative Al Green said in May, "I'm concerned that if we don't impeach this president, he will get re-elected." Again, you and your allies said, and did, all of these things long before you ever heard of President Zelensky or anything related to Ukraine. As you know very well, this impeachment drive has nothing to do with Ukraine, or the totally appropriate conversation I had with its new president. It only has to do with your attempt to undo the election of 2016 and steal the election of 2020 !

Congressman Adam Schiff cheated and lied all the way up to the present day, even going so far as to fraudulently make up, out of thin air, my conversation with President Zelensky of Ukraine and read this fantasy language to Congress as though it were said by me. His shameless lies and deceptions, dating all the way back to the Russia Hoax, is one of the main reasons we are here today.

You and your party are desperate to distract from America's extraordinary economy, incredible jobs boom, record stock market, soaring confidence, and flourishing citizens. Your party simply cannot compete with our record: 7 million new jobs; the lowest-ever unemployment for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, and Asian Americans; a rebuilt military; a completely reformed VA with Choice and Accountability for our great veterans; more than 170 new federal judges and two Supreme Court Justices; historic tax and regulation cuts; the elimination of the individual mandate; the first decline in prescription drug prices in half a century; the first new branch of the United States Military since 1947, the Space Force; strong protection of the Second Amendment; criminal justice reform; a defeated ISIS caliphate and the killing of the world's number one terrorist leader, al-Baghdadi; the replacement of the disastrous NAFTA trade deal with the wonderful USMCA (Mexico and Canada); a breakthrough Phase One trade deal with China; massive new trade deals with Japan and South Korea; withdrawal from the terrible Iran Nuclear Deal; cancellation of the unfair and costly Paris Climate Accord; becoming the world's top energy producer; recognition of lsrael's capital, opening the American Embassy in Jerusalem, and recognizing Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights; a colossal reduction in illegal border crossings, the ending of Catch-and-Release, and the building of the Southern Border Wall-and that is just the beginning, there is so much more. You cannot defend your extreme policies--open borders, mass migration, high crime, crippling taxes, socialized healthcare, destruction of American energy, late-term taxpayer-funded abortion, elimination of the Second Amendment, radical far-left theories of law and justice, and constant partisan obstruction of both common sense and common good.

There is nothing I would rather do than stop referring to your party as the Do-Nothing Democrats. Unfortunately, I don't know that you will ever give me a chance to do so.

After three years of unfair and unwarranted investigations, 45 million dollars spent, 18 angry Democrat prosecutors, the entire force of the FBI, headed by leadership now proven to be totally incompetent and corrupt, you have found NOTHING! Few people in high position could have endured or passed this test. You do not know, nor do you care, the great damage and hurt you have inflicted upon wonderful and loving members of my family. You conducted a fake investigation upon the democratically elected President of the United States, and you are doing it yet again.

There are not many people who could have taken the punishment inflicted during this period of time, and yet done so much for the success of America and its citizens. But instead of putting our country first, you have decided to disgrace our cmmtry still further. You completely failed with the Mueller report because there was nothing to find, so you decided to take the next hoax that came along, the phone call with Ukraine----even though it was a perfect call. And by the way, when I speak to foreign countries, there are many people, with pennission, listening to the call on both sides of the conversation.

You are the ones interfering in America's elections. You are the ones subverting America's Democracy. You are the ones Obstructing Justice. You are the ones bringing pain and suffering to our Republic for your own selfish personal, political, and partisan gain.

Before the Impeachment Hoax, it was the Russian Witch Hunt. Against all evidence, and regardless of the truth, you and your deputies claimed that my campaign colluded with the Russians-a grave, malicious, and slanderous lie, a falsehood like no other. You forced our Nation through turmoil and torment over a wholly fabricated story, illegally purchased from a foreign spy by Hillary Clinton and the DNC in order to assault our democracy. Yet, when the monstrous lie was debunked and this Democrat conspiracy dissolved into dust, you did not apologize. You did not recant. You did not ask to be forgiven. You showed no remorse, no capacity for self-reflection. Instead, you pursued your next libelous and vicious crusade-you engineered an attempt to frame and defame an innocent person. All of this was motivated by personal political calculation. Your Speakership and your party are held hostage by your most deranged and radical representatives of the far left. Each one of your members lives in fear of a socialist primary challenger-this is what is driving impeachment. Look at Congressman Nadler's challenger. Look at yourself and others. Do not take our country down with your party.

If you truly cared about freedom and liberty for our Nation, then you would be devoting your vast investigative resources to exposing the full truth concerning the FBI's horrifying abuses of power before, during, and after the 2016 election-including the use of spies against my campaign, the submission of false evidence to a FISA court, and the concealment of exculpatory evidence in order to frame the innocent. The FBI has great and honorable people, but the leadership was inept and corrupt. I would think that you would personally be appalled by these revelations, because in your press conference the day you announced impeachment, you tied the impeachment effort directly to the completely discredited Russia Hoax, declaring twice that "all roads lead to Putin," when you know that is an abject lie. I have been far tougher on Russia than President Obama ever even thought to be.

Any member of Congress who votes in support of impeachment-against every shred of truth, fact, evidence, and legal principle-is showing how deeply they revile the voters and how truly they detest America's Constitutional order. Our Founders feared the tribalization of partisan politics, and you are bringing their worst fears to life.

Worse still, I have been deprived of basic Constitutional Due Process from the beginning of this impeachment scam right up until the present. I have been denied the most fundamental rights afforded by the Constitution, including the right to present evidence, to have my own counsel present, to confront accusers, and to call and cross-examine witnesses, like the so-called

whistle blower who started this entire hoax with a false report of the phone call that bears no relationship to the actual phone call that was made. Once I presented the transcribed call, which surprised and shocked the fraudsters (they never thought that such evidence would be presented), the so-called whistleblower, and the second whistleblower, disappeared because they got caught, their report was a fraud, and they were no longer going to be made available to us. In other words, once the phone call was made public, your whole plot blew up, but that didn't stop you from continuing.

More due process was afforded to those accused in the Salem Witch Trials.

You and others on your committees have long said impeachment must be bipartisan-it is not. You said it was very divisive-it certainly is, even far more than you ever thought possible-and it will only get worse!

This is nothing more than an illegal, partisan attempted coup that will, based on recent sentiment, badly fail at the voting booth. You are not just after me, as President, you are after the entire Republican Party. But because of this colossal injustice, our party is more united than it has ever been before. History will judge you harshly as you proceed with this impeachment charade. Your legacy will be that of turning the House of Representatives from a revered legislative body into a Star Chamber of partisan persecution.

Perhaps most insulting of all is your false display of solemnity. You apparently have so little respect for the American People that you expect them to believe that you are approaching this impeachment somberly, reservedly, and reluctantly. No intelligent person believes what you are saying. Since the moment I won the election, the Democrat Party has been possessed by Impeachment Fever. There is no reticence. This is not a somber affair. You are making a mockery of impeachment and you are scarcely concealing your hatred of me, of the Republican Party, and tens of millions of patriotic Americans. The voters are wise, and they are seeing straight through this empty, hollow, and dangerous game you are playing.

I have no doubt the American people will hold you and the Democrats fully responsible in the upcoming 2020 election. They will not soon forgive your perversion of justice and abuse of power.

There is far too much that needs to be done to improve the lives of our citizens. It is time for you and the highly partisan Democrats in Congress to immediately cease this impeachment fantasy and get back to work for the American People. While I have no expectation that you will do so, I write this letter to you for the purpose of history and to put my thoughts on a permanent and indelible record.

One hundred years from now, when people look back at this affair, I want them to understand it, and learn from it, so that it can never happen to another President again.

 

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5 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

"Even worse than offending the Founding Fathers, you are offending Americans of faith by continually saying "I pray for the President," when you know this statement is not true, unless it is meant in a negative sense."

Yeah Nancy! You're offending the religious folk with your stupid praying and shit! 

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