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I fucking love this President. My 2 faves during my lifetime are Trump and Nixon. They share a lot of similarities and were besieged by the same groups of assholes. No I’m not trolling. Y’all, the lef

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This.....is magnificent. The "younger generation" is going to have to work double-time to fund YOUR Social Security, which YOUR generation of elected officials raided the fuck out of.  And which,

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3 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

So the problem isn't the utter stupidity and anti-American behavior of the evangelicals, it's the criticism of them and their actions?

This is classic Trump/GOP deflection.

No their "utter stupidity and anti-American behavior" is the problem.  We just differ on the most effective means to solve it and some of its root causes.

Read any of my cloak room posts.  You will find that I am not Trump/GOP deflectionist (if that is even a real word).

I just find it hard to hold contempt for those evangelicals that are there out of desperation.  It is not hard to hold in contempt for those that prey on them, jive ass preachers, duplicitous politicians, and those that should know better but look the other way.

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Not.  One.  Fucking.  Cent.  For.  A. Wall. 

ZERO.

I would say with the caveats: Not without an actual plan(which is not forthcoming) and certainly not this budget go around.

And by plan I mean actual vetted areas where there are actual issues which additional wall or refurbishment of existing wall will solve known and acknowledged gross abuses. 

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57 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Well, I would say a distinction is in order.  The frauds are the people/ministers perpetuating ideas like God solving your problems or the "prosperity gospel".  Some of the people buy into it because it is convenient  and justifies their behavior and lifestyle. 

But there are vast numbers of these guys who have, due to unfortunate events or irresponsible behavior on their parts, found themselves on the outside looking in on the American Dream.  They are vulnerable because they find themselves in  diminished states physical, financial, educational,  and intellectual fitness.  They are out of easy answers.  These are the people that turn to motivational speakers, quick weight loss diets, easy money scams, and of course the notion that the supreme creator of the universe  has time to deal with their bullshit and solve it.   These people should not be despised, but pitied and helped despite the fact that they are least 50% responsible for their situations.  They are not entirely responsible, however, as in many cases the system has failed them and we have failed them.  Compassion would go a lot further than ire in this disturbing trend.

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There are irredeemable racists out there, but there are a LOT MORE people out there whose racism is pretty easily tempered by an improved social and economic climate. As I've said, there are millions of white Ameicans, even the dreaded Evangelicals (who, I agree, are one of the worst strains of American going), who have racism as #5 or lower on their list of priorities. Trump came to them (when Clinton didn't) and promised them a stable economic life and free healthcare (when Clinton didn't). He called back to a time when their lives weren't garbage (when Clinton didn't), and he won them.

It will actually be extremely easy to win them back. A black man named Hussein won them over not so long ago.

Take care of the social and economic needs of the people and racism will fall down their list of priorities.

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Trump is a fuckin loon who only cares about his racist base. Doesn't he realize he's dying politically?

No he’s not. The base will re-nominate him and several millions of republicans will pretend to not like him and then vote for him because the democrat will be “too radical.” Being a lying racist traitor and charlatan is better than being a democrat, cause that bitch Hillary and her emails and that “socialist” Obama and his birth certificate.
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6 minutes ago, NowThis said:

Trump is a fuckin loon who only cares about his racist base. Doesn't he realize he's dying politically?

He doesn't care. He's enriching himself. He managed to cut his own taxes, that was job #1. He's used his office to bring a lot of money into his private business. He probably still thinks Trump Tower Moscow might one day be a thing. 

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No he’s not. The base will re-nominate him and several millions of republicans will pretend to not like him and then vote for him because the democrat will be “too radical.” Being a lying racist traitor and charlatan is better than being a democrat, cause that bitch Hillary and her emails and that “socialist” Obama and his birth certificate.

I don't hope the "base" renominates Trump, but if they do, then Trump will be the gift that keeps on giving (to the Dems), and keeps on harming America.

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Did white evangelicals really support Obama? 

Will it be extremely easy to win them back?

I respectfully don't think so.

He did better with them than Clinton did. 5-8% of white evangelicals swings the election to Clinton very handily.

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4 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Trump is getting owned by Pelosi.   Starting with Nancy using Trumps ego to get him to admit that he will proudly own the shutdown.  She has her boot on his throat.  No reason to let up until he admits defeat.

my guess is that trump will have to privately tell the Dems that he wants to open the govt but he needs something for the wall.  Then he will have to give in to many many Dem demands.  McTurtle will be pissed but Nancy,Chuck and Donald will care less what he thinks.  Who knows maybe Nancy gives him his billions for border security but let the money be spent on researching border security including potential walls.  Everyone can get behind the idea of research.  

Stop bringing rational thought into this. Trump isn’t rational and he’d rather die than capitulate. He’s vehemently against admitting any weakness ever, and would rather burn this whole thing down and blame others than look weak. 

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3 hours ago, Asithappens said:

White evangelicals. 

Those dumb sons of bitches will be the downfall of this country. 

Fuck them.

it's always been that way with them.  john knox of scotland was such a significant part of the reformation movement that his statue stands with three others at reformation wall in geneva.  let's hear it from ol' john:

"A man with God is always in the majority"

 John Knox

ie: fuck democracy

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A 5-8% improvement among white Evangelicals (which is how much better Obama did in two elections) nets millions of votes nationwide. There are millions of white evangelicals in Wisconsin and Michigan and elsewhere in the Rust Belt. Obama specifically reached out to that population and spoke to them about both their religious beliefs (which he shared) and spoke to them about their economic well-being. A black man named Hussein did that and beat both John Kerry and Hillary Clinton among those groups.

Who, realistically, on the Dem side has anything to say to Rust Belt whites?

Elizabeth Warren has economic populism and anti-Wall Street cred. Sherrod Brown might not run, but if he does he's got a compelling story. Bernie might not run (which would depress me), but if he does he's already won there in the 2016 primary season. Who else is not some polished-until-near-inhumanity technocrat who would look like an absolute joke in a hard hat on a factory tour? Who would even be able to TRY to talk to them without revealing how much they fundamentally loathe the poor and working classes?

Ignoring the white working class didn't go so well for Hillary and it wouldn't go well for the 2020 Dem.

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3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Who, realistically, on the Dem side has anything to say to Rust Belt whites?

Warren’s origin story should resonate well with this group, if they’ll listen.

Hillary’s origin story was almost as good but it was always overshadowed by her marriage to Bill.  It never meant a lot to voters that just saw the wife of a President.

I think the working class folks have a lot more respect for people that fought hard to get where are.  Another reason Obama’s messaging was effective on the rust belt group.

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A 5-8% improvement among white Evangelicals (which is how much better Obama did in two elections) nets millions of votes nationwide. There are millions of white evangelicals in Wisconsin and Michigan and elsewhere in the Rust Belt. Obama specifically reached out to that population and spoke to them about both their religious beliefs (which he shared) and spoke to them about their economic well-being. A black man named Hussein did that and beat both John Kerry and Hillary Clinton among those groups.

Who, realistically, on the Dem side has anything to say to Rust Belt whites?

Elizabeth Warren has economic populism and anti-Wall Street cred. Sherrod Brown might not run, but if he does he's got a compelling story. Bernie might not run (which would depress me), but if he does he's already won there in the 2016 primary season. Who else is not some polished-until-near-inhumanity technocrat who would look like an absolute joke in a hard hat on a factory tour? Who would even be able to TRY to talk to them without revealing how much they fundamentally loathe the poor and working classes?

Ignoring the white working class didn't go so well for Hillary and it wouldn't go well for the 2020 Dem.

Biden and Beto are obvious answers.

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This Pentagon presser felt like there was silent tension during his border speech. Could have just been the short clip I saw, but didn't feel like the crowd was into it. 

In the beginning, Trump made a joke about how much he’s funding the military and that got the biggest chuckle.  It progressively got more uncomfortable and dark as Trump went into rally mode.  

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2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Warren’s origin story should resonate well with this group, if they’ll listen.

Hillary’s origin story was almost as good but it was always overshadowed by her marriage to Bill.  It never meant a lot to voters that just saw the wife of a President.

Clinton's problem is that she didn't even try to make her case to them. She pretty much ignored them.

Chuck Schumer: “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.”

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Biden and Beto are obvious answers.

Oh yeah, Biden. You're right. Forgot about him. I remember him in the 2008 primary and he did really really poorly at basically every level. He will resonate to some extent, but people are wearing very rose-colored glasses. I really think he's going to flame out hard.

And Beto... how? He's a rich kid married to an heiress to hundreds of millions. He's definitely charming, but he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He went to an elite boarding school and then to Columbia. I have no idea what actual story he's going to tell to a factory full of economically-desperate workers who have been watching their town die over generations that is going to resonate. We'll see. I think he's got a great chance, so I'm eager to find out how he does.

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And Beto... how? He's a rich kid married to an heiress to hundreds of millions. He's definitely charming, but he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He went to an elite boarding school and then to Columbia. I have no idea what actual story he's going to tell to a factory full of economically-desperate workers who have been watching their town die over generations that is going to resonate. We'll see. I think he's got a great chance, so I'm eager to find out how he does.

I mean, if Trump was able to convince millions of poor idiots that he is working for them, then I don't see why Beto couldn't do the same.  Stop thinking logically, most of America doesn't.

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Warren has a great story

Brown has a decent story (I had no idea he got his undergrad in Russian Studies, lol)

Harris was the product of 2 immigrants and then raised a single mom after they divorced.  For a very different background - undergrad at a HBCU!

Gillibrand came from a very political family - lobbyist dad and an Albany machine grandmother

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I mean, if Trump was able to convince millions of poor idiots that he is working for them, then I don't see why Beto couldn't do the same.  Stop thinking logically, most of America doesn't.

This.  The only bloc that matters and moves is the idiot vote.  What clown show plays best to the idiots?  That's the only question that you should be asking.  Fact, logic, policy -- none of those things matter.  It's not that they don't matter much -- it's that they don't matter AT ALL.

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This.  The only bloc that matters and moves is the idiot vote.  What clown show plays best to the idiots?  That's the only question that you should be asking.  Fact, logic, policy -- none of those things matter.  It's not that they don't matter much -- it's that they don't matter AT ALL.

While this is an easy explanation, I honestly think Trump’s unorthodox approach had more to do with his success among the non-deplorables than the content of his campaign.   

Americans are consumers and Trump was a shiny new product in a sea of stale empty suits we’ve had for years.  Bernie had this appeal as well in 2016, Obama in 2008.  But just like your old exercise equipment collecting dust, the intrigue of Trump is going to wear off.  Trump himself admits you can only keep the con going for so long.

The question is, who will be the new shiny product to replace him? 

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17 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Clinton's problem is that she didn't even try to make her case to them. She pretty much ignored them.

 Chuck Schumer: “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.”

Oh yeah, Biden. You're right. Forgot about him. I remember him in the 2008 primary and he did really really poorly at basically every level. He will resonate to some extent, but people are wearing very rose-colored glasses. I really think he's going to flame out hard.

And Beto... how? He's a rich kid married to an heiress to hundreds of millions. He's definitely charming, but he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He went to an elite boarding school and then to Columbia. I have no idea what actual story he's going to tell to a factory full of economically-desperate workers who have been watching their town die over generations that is going to resonate. We'll see. I think he's got a great chance, so I'm eager to find out how he does.

All these "Biden 2020!" people keep forgetting literally everything about Joe Biden except that he's old and white.

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2 hours ago, NowThis said:

Trump is a fuckin loon who only cares about his racist base. Doesn't he realize he's dying politically?

He only cares about them cause they support him, but in truth he doesn't care about them either. Unless they are staying at one of his hotels and the CC doesn't get declined. 

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