Donald Trump 2019

[Mojo Hand 4580]

There were many underlying crimes.  Mueller's evidence of obstruction isn't just about collusion/conspiracy, but also Flynn, Manafort, and an array of unspecified financial crimes by Trump that Mueller said Trump feared would be uncovered.  Trump obstructed the investigation into all of that. 

[UpperWestside 6284]

1 hour ago, yoladu said:

 

 

 

Hahahaha...Very little tine to watch TV. I sometimes have to remember this is the president tweeting and not some random bum yelling obscenities on the subway at night. 

[TornACL 7792]

Technically he's right. He had very little time for watching TV, relatively speaking. He was forced to cut back from 12 hours a day to a mere 6 hours. 

[BradInATX 9208]

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

The latest from Trump via email to we wonderful American Patriots who hate the Fake News and Dems.

 

As if there's not plenty of other supporting evidence, the tone and approach that his marketing automation people use for outreach to his supporters goes to show what kind of people we're dealing with here. The reading level of those emails is 2nd grade at best, and the content is borderline junk mail/Facebook "if u don't retweet this a baby dies and u hate jesus but if u do bill gates will mail you a 5,000 dollar check" level. It's tailored to the absolute lowest common denominator of humanity and intellect.

"I've asked my team to print out the list of supporters and bring it to me, hope to see your name!!". If anyone with a full set of chromosomes actually believes that Donald Trump 1) even knows that email is going out, 2) would actually ask his staff to do that or 3) would actually take a single minute or breath of effort to look at the list, they should be shot into the sun. GTFO.

Credit to his marketing team, they are finely tuned in to who their supporters are.

Edited April 19, 2019 by BradInATX

[henrygandorf 29228]

29 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

They’re tying their brains in knots already. 

 

wtf?

is this a word cloud?

[jimmyjazz 47238]

8 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

"I've asked my team to print out the list of supporters and bring it to me, hope to see your name!!".

GODDAMMIT, why didn't Cletus Threehead from Bumblefuck WVA donate???  I thought we could count on him!!!?!!!

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[ChiTownDoc 21346]

Also, fuck the democrats for playing politics instead of impeaching this piece of shit.  Pathetic. 

[David Dennison 19560]

4 minutes ago, retread said:

 

No, that's not what that means.

[retread 2951]

But Tucker said ....

[David Dennison 19560]

Just now, ChiTownDoc said:

Also, fuck the democrats for playing politics instead of impeaching this piece of shit.  Pathetic. 

Impeachment is politics.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

27 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

There were many underlying crimes.  Mueller's evidence of obstruction isn't just about collusion/conspiracy, but also Flynn, Manafort, and an array of unspecified financial crimes by Trump that Mueller said Trump feared would be uncovered.  Trump obstructed the investigation into all of that. 

Not to mention the possibility that Trump was obstructing to conceal his “not-Russia related crimes” like directing a criminal conspiracy to illegally payoff a porn star right before the election.   

Which, ironically was tangentially uncovered by an investigation through a referral from the Special Counsel.

[ChiTownDoc 21346]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Impeachment is politics.

Yeah, the democrats suck at politics.  I get it.  

[David Dennison 19560]

1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yeah, the democrats suck at politics.  I get it.  

We won't know that for another 19 months. If they manage to lose to this guy again, then yeah, they suck at politics. There's no reason a president this weak and impotent should be re-elected.

[henrygandorf 29228]

2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yeah, the democrats suck at politics.  I get it.  

i still maintain that the risk is too great.  he's beatable right now.  just wait 19 months.  impeachment can only send his numbers one way.

[bolverk 30351]

9 minutes ago, retread said:

 

Literally, on page 2 of Vol. 1:

The report describes actions and events that the Special Counsel's Office found to be supported by the evidence collected in our investigation. In some instances, the report points out the absence of evidence or conflicts in the evidence about a particular fact or event. In other instances, when substantial, credible evidence enabled the Office to reach a conclusion with confidence, the report states that the investigation established that certain actions or events occurred. A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.

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4 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Literally, on page 2 of Vol. 1:

The report describes actions and events that the Special Counsel's Office found to be supported by the evidence collected in our investigation. In some instances, the report points out the absence of evidence or conflicts in the evidence about a particular fact or event. In other instances, when substantial, credible evidence enabled the Office to reach a conclusion with confidence, the report states that the investigation established that certain actions or events occurred. A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.

Posted this in the Mueller thread

[bolverk 30351]

Precisely. My quoted text immediately follows your screenshot.

[TexEx15 17955]

16 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Also, fuck the democrats for playing politics instead of impeaching this piece of shit.  Pathetic. 

I totally agree with this idea but reality is the house will vote to impeach and the senate will not vote guilty.  All that does is give him momentum for 2020.  If you truly want Trump out ASAP then let him continue to trip over his own dick and get voted out bigly in 2020. 

[SmokeyTheBear 5569]

10 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

i still maintain that the risk is too great.  he's beatable right now.  just wait 19 months.  impeachment can only send his numbers one way.

Yep, use the GOP playbook of dragging out investigations to destroy him politically for the next election. Incredibly effective against Hillary. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 hour ago, retread said:

People like to say the Rs were punished for the '98 impeachment. They did lose some seats, but they held the House majority until 2006. They held the majority in the Senate for many of those years.

The idea that the democrats should hesitate on impeaching Trump because the republicans overreached on Clinton and it backfired is arguably one of the best 3D chess moves by the republicans in American history. 

In other words, it’s fucking absurd. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

3 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

I totally agree with this idea but reality is the house will vote to impeach and the senate will not vote guilty.  All that does is give him momentum for 2020.  If you truly want Trump out ASAP then let him continue to trip over his own dick and get voted out bigly in 2020. 

You totally agree but then don’t agree at all.  

The democrats should impeach this president.  If they don’t, this precedent will effectively kill our democracy because future presidents will arguably be able to get away with anything. Literally anything. 

This is more important than the next election.  The democrats have the material to oust this fraud.  The American people put the democrats in power precisely to check this president if the Mueller report was bad enough.  It is bad enough.  Time to do the job they were elected to do. 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

I would happily take a Democratic run like the Rs have had post-Clinton impeachment.   Hell, they won the very next presidential election, and have mostly owned Congress since.

Ds need to step the fuck up and shape the narrative, not hide and let Trump develop it in their absence.   Go hard at him.   Look how hard the Rs rammed bullshit charges at Hillary and it killed her in the election.   The Mueller report is orders of magnitude worse than what Comey said about her negligence, and some Dems want to move on?   

[UpperWestside 6284]

24 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yeah, the democrats suck at politics.  I get it.  

They have to fight dirty and that is what they are terrible at. They are dealing with the worst human being to ever hold the office of the presidency and they continue to try and use proper decorum when they need to be slinging his own shit back at him 24/7. 

You don't beat this cancer by wishing it away. You aggressively fight back every moment possible and make his life a living hell. You put him on defense every waking moment and take away his ability to control the narrative. I believe the Dems will have their version of a come to Jesus moment at some point this year and finally work in unison again this cretin. What finally gets them to go on a full-blown offensive is anyone's guess because Christ, as stated by others many times, they are bad at this.

The time to be nice and cordial has long-since passed. Get down and dirty and get this country back to some semblance of normal instead of whatever the hell this is right now.

Edited April 19, 2019 by UpperWestside

[TexEx15 17955]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

You totally agree but then don’t agree at all.  

The democrats should impeach this president.  If they don’t, this precedent will effectively kill our democracy because future presidents will arguably be able to get away with anything. Literally anything. 

This is more important than the next election.  The democrats have the material to oust this fraud.  The American people put the democrats in power precisely to check this president if the Mueller report was bad enough.  It is bad enough.  Time to do the job they were elected to do. 

The Democrats have the material but not the votes in the senate.  Plain and simple.  And to your point about it’s more important than the election that is the part where the most difficult issues lie.  It’s easy to say that on a message board but in reality the stakes are not that cut and dry no matter how much we would like them to be.

[BradInATX 9208]

12 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The idea that the democrats should hesitate on impeaching Trump because the republicans overreached on Clinton and it backfired is arguably one of the best 3D chess moves by the republicans in American history. 

In other words, it’s fucking absurd. 

Impeaching would be 1D herp derp hop scotch. It has zero upside and a town of downside. The senate will never convict. It won't move the needle except potentially to increase R turnout and enthusiasm, and maybe even bring some never Trump Republicans back into the fold. 

I know you're angry and a bit embarassed and you want retribution or some sort of catharsis, but you'll have to find it elsewhere. Find a hobby you like. Impeachment would be awful, awful strategy. Thankfully it appears, at least so far, that the decision makers in the party are thinking with their brains and not their feelings. 

Edited April 19, 2019 by BradInATX

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Yeah, things like principles and ethics are stupid, people hate those things. 

[Francisco 2.0 32605]

22 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

We won't know that for another 19 months. If they manage to lose to this guy again, then yeah, they suck at politics. There's no reason a president this weak and impotent should be re-elected.

No, there's not one reason.  There's a handful:

Democrats can't get their shit together.

Fox News.

Gerrymandering.

The olds/evangelicals/White Nationalists/usual litany of Team Trump believers will show up on Election Day.  Whoever the Dems put forward in '20 will not have total support (RE: the Bernie believers).

Social media engineering and manipulation.  

All of that gets thrown aside if the Dow loses 10,000 between now and then, and it could. 

 

 

[Brisketexan 106952]

Literally, on page 2 of Vol. 1:
The report describes actions and events that the Special Counsel's Office found to be supported by the evidence collected in our investigation. In some instances, the report points out the absence of evidence or conflicts in the evidence about a particular fact or event. In other instances, when substantial, credible evidence enabled the Office to reach a conclusion with confidence, the report states that the investigation established that certain actions or events occurred. A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.

What you have to account for is that Tucker is a liar.

They have to fight dirty and that is what they are terrible at. They are dealing with the worst human being to ever hold the office of the presidency and they continue to try and use proper decorum when they need to be slinging his own shit back at him 24/7. 
You don't beat this cancer by wishing it away. You aggressively fight back every moment possible and make his life a living hell. You put him on defense every waking moment and take away his ability to control the narrative. I believe the Dems will have their version of a come to Jesus moment at some point this year and finally work in unison again this cretin. What finally gets them to go on a full-blown offensive is anyone's guess because Christ, as stated by others many times, they are bad at this.
The time to be nice and cordial has long-since passed. Get down and dirty and get this country back to some semblance of normal instead of whatever the hell this is right now.

There is no normal. Not again. Not ever. We are broken right down the middle, and it will only get worse.

[henrygandorf 29228]

13 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

You totally agree but then don’t agree at all.  

The democrats should impeach this president.  If they don’t, this precedent will effectively kill our democracy because future presidents will arguably be able to get away with anything. Literally anything. 

This is more important than the next election.  The democrats have the material to oust this fraud.  The American people put the democrats in power precisely to check this president if the Mueller report was bad enough.  It is bad enough.  Time to do the job they were elected to do. 

agree to disagree.  

impeachment feels like playing a baseball game under protest because of a bad strike zone in the 4th inning, in order to maintain the integrity of the strike zone and human umpires.  you play to win the game, and the game is in 2020.

[4th&Five 42011]

21 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The idea that the democrats should hesitate on impeaching Trump because the republicans overreached on Clinton and it backfired is arguably one of the best 3D chess moves by the republicans in American history. 

In other words, it’s fucking absurd. 

Agree with this. Thinking anything that happened then is relevant in the shit we’re dealing with now is laughable. 

[BradInATX 9208]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yeah, things like principles and ethics are stupid, people hate those things. 

What does this even mean? Every functioning person in this country who isn't greedy, an asshole, or a racist/xenophobe would have him out of office yesterday if it were possible. Save your holier than thou for someone else. You are thinking with your feelings and not your brain.

What would you have them do? House impeaches, gets immediately shot down in the senate. What have you proven? How have you acted ethically? The only thing you've done is improve the chances that we end up with four more years, which means four more years of our country's morals, ethics, and soul being whittled away. 

The most ethical thing we can do is get him out. Impeaching hurts our chances of that. Ergo..

[UpperWestside 6284]

5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

There is no normal. Not again. Not ever. We are broken right down the middle, and it will only get worse.

I believe in not quitting. Send his cult members back under their rocks in 2020. Our Republic is at its breaking point and I believe you go after these imbeciles every chance you get. Whatever the new normal is after ousting this con man in 2020 is better than this. 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

There is plenty of upside to impeachment and plenty of downside to not impeaching.   And you'd see it if the situations were reversed.   The GOP would absolutely impeach president Hillary with something like the Mueller report in hand.  We'd have months of hearings, anti-Hillary speeches, and condemnation thrown at the "partisan" Dems protecting her in the Senate.  And the Rs would ride that to victory in 2020 in the presidency and Senate. 

Trump will be banging "failed coup" and "complete and total exoneration" until the election. Any response from the Dems short of impeachment is mealy-mouthed and tantamount to tacit agreement that his actions weren't so bad.   And that is the downside:  Trump's gross misconduct and abuses of power get whitewashed. 

Trump set the narrative in 2016 with "But her emails..."   Impeaching and a consistent message about his abuses of power will do the same to him in 2020.  Failing to do that will let him right off the hook. 

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^  Maybe that's what Pelosi and co. are thinking right now without saying it out loud?  Have hearings, get all the info out there, and then impeach.

I'm afraid they think they can run the clock out on Trump.

Edited April 19, 2019 by retread

[Bama Chick 28596]

Why is Melania dressed up as Devin Nunes’ cow?

[4th&Five 42011]

Good thread on what dems should do. 

 

[BradInATX 9208]

13 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

There is plenty of upside to impeachment and plenty of downside to not impeaching.

Go on..

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Oh, and I'll add, Trump will be going after Hillary and the Dems for being behind the Mueller investigation.   The public fight about this will continue; the only question is whose turf the fight will be on.   

If the Dems don't impeach, they will be in a defensive position, arguing that it was indeed legitimate to investigate what didn't turn up impeachable offenses.  If they do impeach, go 100% after Trump's abuses of power, and blame the R Senate for shielding him, Trump's bullshit hoax stuff will be the weaker defensive position. 

[ChiTownDoc 21346]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

We won't know that for another 19 months. If they manage to lose to this guy again, then yeah, they suck at politics. There's no reason a president this weak and impotent should be re-elected.

 

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

i still maintain that the risk is too great.  he's beatable right now.  just wait 19 months.  impeachment can only send his numbers one way.

If he's impeached he needs to testify under oath - am I wrong?  That would be the end of him.  He would perjure himself to death. 

[BradInATX 9208]

5 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Oh, and I'll add, Trump will be going after Hillary and the Dems for being behind the Mueller investigation.   The public fight about this will continue; the only question is whose turf the fight will be on.   

If the Dems don't impeach, they will be in a defensive position, arguing that it was indeed legitimate to investigate what didn't turn up impeachable offenses.  If they do impeach, go 100% after Trump's abuses of power, and blame the R Senate for shielding him, Trump's bullshit hoax stuff will be the weaker defensive position. 

You are just saying things. And those things are wrong.

- Polls showed that the majority of Americans, even Republicans, wanted to see the Mueller report. Trump has not seen a bump since Barr's finger-on-the-scale summary. The facts and data show that the general public was in support of seeing the findings, and that the witch hunt thing won't play

- They also show that the majority of Americans are not in favor of impeachment. 

The facts don't support your feelings.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

30 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

What does this even mean? Every functioning person in this country who isn't greedy, an asshole, or a racist/xenophobe would have him out of office yesterday if it were possible. Save your holier than thou for someone else. You are thinking with your feelings and not your brain.

What would you have them do? House impeaches, gets immediately shot down in the senate. What have you proven? How have you acted ethically? The only thing you've done is improve the chances that we end up with four more years, which means four more years of our country's morals, ethics, and soul being whittled away. 

The most ethical thing we can do is get him out. Impeaching hurts our chances of that. Ergo..

Fuck you pussy.  You go at this corrupt motherfucker as hard as possible.  You say the Senate wouldn’t convict?  How do you know that?  Because that’s what everyone says?  Fuck you.  You drive the narrative, you hold hearings, you shape public opinion with facts, evidence, and testimony.  Make the Republicans want to get rid of Trump too.  This is about being an effective salesperson and the democrats clearly have the better product, they just need to persuade a small amount of buyers to get the job done.  Sick of this resistance is futile bullshit. 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

4 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

You are just saying things. And those things are wrong.

- Polls showed that the majority of Americans, even Republicans, wanted to see the Mueller report. Trump has not seen a bump since Barr's finger-on-the-scale summary. The facts and data show that the general public was in support of seeing the findings, and that the witch hunt thing won't play

- They also show that the majority of Americans are not in favor of impeachment. 

The facts don't support your feelings.

Lulz.  What a deep, fact-based analysis of "polls."   I'm in awe of your intellect. 

[ChiTownDoc 21346]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

We won't know that for another 19 months. If they manage to lose to this guy again, then yeah, they suck at politics. There's no reason a president this weak and impotent should be re-elected.

 

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

i still maintain that the risk is too great.  he's beatable right now.  just wait 19 months.  impeachment can only send his numbers one way.

Double

Edited April 19, 2019 by ChiTownDoc

[ChiTownDoc 21346]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

We won't know that for another 19 months. If they manage to lose to this guy again, then yeah, they suck at politics. There's no reason a president this weak and impotent should be re-elected.

 

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

i still maintain that the risk is too great.  he's beatable right now.  just wait 19 months.  impeachment can only send his numbers one way.

Triple!

Edited April 19, 2019 by ChiTownDoc
Giuliani'd It.

[henrygandorf 29228]

17 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Fuck you pussy.  You go at this corrupt motherfucker as hard as possible.  You say the Senate wouldn’t convict?  How do you know that?  Because that’s what everyone says?  Fuck you.  You drive the narrative, you hold hearings, you shape public opinion with facts, evidence, and testimony.  Make the Republicans want to get rid of Trump too.  This is about being an effective salesperson and the democrats clearly have the better product, they just need to persuade a small amount of buyers to get the job done.  Sick of this resistance is futile bullshit. 

agree with everything (in theory) except the senate vote.  you're kidding yourself.

[BradInATX 9208]

17 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Fuck you pussy.  You go at this corrupt motherfucker as hard as possible.  You say the Senate wouldn’t convict?  How do you know that?  Because that’s what everyone says?  Fuck you.  You drive the narrative, you hold hearings, you shape public opinion with facts, evidence, and testimony.  Make the Republicans want to get rid of Trump too.  This is about being an effective salesperson and the democrats clearly have the better product, they just need to persuade a small amount of buyers to get the job done.  Sick of this resistance is futile bullshit. 

So yeah, like I said, I'm glad the Democratic party seems to be guided by people who are thinking with their heads and not people like you who make poor, emotion-driven decisions.

[henrygandorf 29228]

22 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

 

If he's impeached he needs to testify under oath - am I wrong?  That would be the end of him.  He would perjure himself to death. 

i seriously fucking doubt it.  but someone can correct me.

[BradInATX 9208]

15 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Lulz.  What a deep, fact-based analysis of "polls."   I'm in awe of your intellect. 

Where am I wrong?

I'm not.

[David Dennison 19560]

17 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

If he's impeached he needs to testify under oath - am I wrong?  That would be the end of him.  He would perjure himself to death. 

That's a good question. Congress can compel executive branch officials to testify absent a claim by the president of executive privilege, but I'm not sure Congress can compel the president to testify.