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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/27/trump-officials-weigh-encryption-crackdown-1385306

 

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Senior Trump administration officials met on Wednesday to discuss whether to seek legislation prohibiting tech companies from using forms of encryption that law enforcement can’t break — a provocative step that would reopen a long-running feud between federal authorities and Silicon Valley.

The encryption challenge, which the government calls “going dark,” was the focus of a National Security Council meeting Wednesday morning that included the No. 2 officials from several key agencies, according to three people familiar with the matter.

 

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Senior officials debated whether to ask Congress to effectively outlaw end-to-end encryption, which scrambles data so that only its sender and recipient can read it, these people told POLITICO. Tech companies like Apple, Google and Facebook have increasingly built end-to-end encryption into their products and software in recent years — billing it as a privacy and security feature but frustrating authorities investigating terrorism, drug trafficking and child pornography.

“The two paths were to either put out a statement or a general position on encryption, and [say] that they would continue to work on a solution, or to ask Congress for legislation,” said one of the people.

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But the previously unreported meeting of the NSC’s so-called Deputies Committee did not produce a decision, the people said.

A decision to press for legislation would have far-reaching consequences for the privacy and security of tens of millions of consumers and effectively force companies such as Apple and Google to water down the security features on their smartphones and other devices.

 

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A ban on end-to-end-encryption would make it easier for law enforcement and intelligence agents to access suspects' data. But such a measure would also make it easier for hackers and spies to steal Americans' private data, by creating loopholes in encryption that are designed for the government but accessible to anyone who reverse-engineers them. Watering down encryption would also endanger people who rely on scrambled communications to hide from stalkers and abusive ex-spouses.

POLITICO was unable to determine what participating agency leaders said during the meeting, but there is a well-known fault line on encryption within the executive branch.

The DOJ and the FBI argue that catching criminals and terrorists should be the top priority, even if watered-down encryption creates hacking risks. The Commerce and State Departments disagree, pointing to the economic, security and diplomatic consequences of mandating encryption “backdoors.”

DHS is internally divided. The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency knows the importance of encrypting sensitive data, especially in critical infrastructure operations, but ICE and the Secret Service regularly run into encryption roadblocks during their investigations.

An NSC spokesperson declined to comment on the meeting.

The high-level NSC discussion highlights how policymakers have continued grappling with encryption even as it has receded from the headlines.

“There is a significant [administration-]wide effort underway on what to do about the going dark issue,” said a lobbyist familiar with the discussions.

Tech companies such as Apple and Google began increasing their use of end-to-end encryption in 2014, to address privacy concerns sparked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden’s disclosures about the vast sweep of U.S. government surveillance. In response, DOJ and the FBI reinvigorated a decades-old campaign against this feature, arguing that it posed an impenetrable roadblock in many criminal and counterintelligence investigations.

The 2015 San Bernardino, Calif., terrorist attack brought the encryption debate into the mainstream when DOJ took Apple to court to access a locked iPhone belonging to one of the shooters. Then-FBI Director James Comey accused Apple of trying to create a space beyond the reach of U.S. law. But that dispute ended without a definitive legal precedent, and despite the “going dark” problem occasionally resurfacing, encryption hasn’t made major headlines for years.

The transition between the Obama and Trump administrations saw a hand-off of sorts between two high-profile advocates of the need to access encrypted data. After President Donald Trump fired Comey, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein succeeded him as the government’s top “going dark” warrior. Rosenstein, who dealt with the issue as a U.S. attorney, warned vaguely that cooperation with Silicon Valley was unlikely to work, implying that legislation might be needed.

But now Rosenstein is gone, and experts generally agree that Congress is unlikely to pass a bill requiring warrant-compatible encryption.

Sens. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) floated a draft measure in 2016 after the San Bernardino attack, but an intense backlash quickly killed its prospects, and despite occasional rumblings, it has not reappeared since. The climate is no better for the administration in the Democratic-controlled House, where there is bipartisan opposition to undermining encryption.

Still, the decision to hold an NSC deputies meeting — which has happened rarely under national security adviser John Bolton — suggests that the issue may not remain on the back burner for long.

 

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6 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:
That's funny tbh

No, it's fucking not. Not at all

well, Republicans think its hilarious because they want foreign interference in our elections, which is happening with the help of Republicans, and it is working, and they're getting away with it right out in the open, and no one is doing a thing about it.   Republicans don't even have to try to hide their treason anymore.  

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With a smirk and a finger point, President Donald Trump dryly told Russia’s Vladimir Putin “Don’t meddle in the election” in their first meeting since the special counsel concluded that Moscow extensively interfered with the 2016 campaign.

The tone of the president’s comment did little to silence questions about Trump’s relationship with Russia in the aftermath of special counsel Robert Mueller’s conclusion that he could not establish a criminal conspiracy between Trump’s campaign and Russia.

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Trump also is keeping an eye on the race to replace him back home. Ten Democrats met in Miami, Florida, as part of the first debates of the 2020 presidential race.

“I just passed a television set on the way here. I saw that health care and maximum health care was given to 100% of the illegal immigrants coming into our country by the Democrats,” Trump said, telling German Chancellor Merkel during their meeting that a debate the previous night “wasn’t very exciting.”

“So I look forward to spending time with you rather than watching,” he said. Merkel did not react.

 

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Later, while meeting with Brazil’s president Jair Bolsonaro, Trump segued from a discussion on the crisis in Venezuela to declare that he had heard a rumor that the Democratic Party will change its name to the Socialist Party. “I’m hearing that, but let’s see if they do it,” Trump said.

There have been no such rumors.

 

 

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Have you heard Jimmy Carter talk out of his ass very often?  Not ragging on you, but he's not a guy who just stirs the pot for fun.

I don't know.  If you're going to make a charge like that and not give an explanation, it raises questions. 

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I think I've been pushed off the list of lucky people on a first name basis with Donald Trump. No emails since this one the night he announced:

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Sean,

I emailed you.
The Vice President emailed you.
My sons, Don Jr. and Eric, both emailed you.
Lara emailed you.

And now I’m emailing you AGAIN because I noticed you STILL haven’t contributed to become an Official Trump 2020 Presidential Founder...

Moments ago, I announced my Second Term Presidential Run in front of the entire world. It was probably the GREATEST campaign announcement in the history of politics because of all of the incredible energy!

Make sure you’re a part of this historic day. The day we launched our campaign and DESTROYED our ambitious goal of $7,000,000.

My team is giving me the FINAL list of Presidential Founders when I get on board the plane and I expect to see your name, Sean.

Please contribute $5 or more RIGHT NOW to cement your name in history as an Official Trump 2020 Presidential Founder and help ensure we reach our huge goal.

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You’ve always been one of my strongest supporters, Sean, and I was SHOCKED to see that your name was MISSING from the livestream on our website.

But since you’ve played such a critical role in all of our success, I wanted to give you one last chance to mark your status as an Official Trump 2020 Presidential Founder.


Contribute $5 or more by 11:59 PM TONIGHT to become an Official Trump 2020 Presidential Founder and get on the list my team hands me. >>

He's actually looking for my name on the list while he's on Air Force One! Me, Sean RomaVicta!

I'm a big strong guy. Tough guy. Maybe a cop. I have tears streaming on my face!

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9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump wouldn’t have won without the Russian interference.  It was easier for them to hack the voters with their influence operation than it was to hack voting machines. 

Would it though? 

https://time.com/5366171/11-year-old-hacked-into-us-voting-system-10-minutes/

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/05/vr-systems-russian-hackers-2016-1505582

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/6/13/15791744/russia-election-39-states-hack-putin-trump-sessions

Oh and that whole fear about Kaspersky's antivirus may have given access to Russia. How many companies used that? 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42202191

 

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Would it though? 

https://time.com/5366171/11-year-old-hacked-into-us-voting-system-10-minutes/

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/05/vr-systems-russian-hackers-2016-1505582

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/6/13/15791744/russia-election-39-states-hack-putin-trump-sessions

Oh and that whole fear about Kaspersky's antivirus may have given access to Russia. How many companies used that? 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42202191

 

Even if they did hack the voting machines, would it be prudent to report it?  

Knowing that it would undermine our whole democracy and tear the country apart? 

It’s a challenging question. 

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Even if they did hack the voting machines, would it be prudent to report it?  

Knowing that it would undermine our whole democracy and tear the country apart? 

It’s a challenging question. 

I think it was a multi-pronged attack for that sole purpose. Tear us apart from the inside. It is why the Obama administration ended up not going public ultimately and it is the biggest concern in 2020. 

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Have you heard Jimmy Carter talk out of his ass very often?  Not ragging on you, but he's not a guy who just stirs the pot for fun.

Carter was before my time.  I was born in the 1980's. But I've heard my entire life how terrible of a president he was.  I've  believed it for decades and always thought of him as a great, kind man but a poor president.  Kind of comparable to Charlie Strong as a coach at Texas.  

Now, after hearing the way the right talks about Obama as being just as bad for the economy and everything else while living though it and knowing it's bullshit, I'm questioning everything and am skeptical whether Carter was half as bad as the right made him out to be.  

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Carter was before my time.  I was born in the 1980's. But I've heard my entire life how terrible of a president he was.  I've  believed it for decades and always thought of him as a great, kind man but a poor president.  Kind of comparable to Charlie Strong as a coach at Texas.  

Now, after hearing the way the right talks about Obama as being just as bad for the economy and everything else while living though it and knowing it's bullshit, I'm questioning everything and am skeptical whether Carter was half as bad as the right made him out to be.  

I was very young when he was president.  But even the die-hard Dems in my family have said he shot himself in the foot on many occasions.  Essentially, he was a great man, but less savvy politician who didn't get how to play the game to his own advantage.  

 

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Carter's great downfall was his ineffectual foreign policy, which was most evident in his botched attempt to rescue American hostages being held in our embassy in Tehran, Iran.  He failed to designate military leadership and tried to spread the authority around among different branches.  The end result was a disaster.

This is not to say he was not a good man, and he was certainly not as bad overall as history likes to make him seem.

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I think I've been pushed off the list of lucky people on a first name basis with Donald Trump. No emails since this one the night he announced:

He's actually looking for my name on the list while he's on Air Force One! Me, Sean RomaVicta!

I'm a big strong guy. Tough guy. Maybe a cop. I have tears streaming on my face!

goddammit, SEAN...get off your ass.

 

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20 minutes ago, Tom said:

Carter was before my time.  I was born in the 1980's. But I've heard my entire life how terrible of a president he was.  I've  believed it for decades and always thought of him as a great, kind man but a poor president.  Kind of comparable to Charlie Strong as a coach at Texas.  

Now, after hearing the way the right talks about Obama as being just as bad for the economy and everything else while living though it and knowing it's bullshit, I'm questioning everything and am skeptical whether Carter was half as bad as the right made him out to be.  

I'm a man, I'm 40. I was talking to my coworker who is 46 and he said pretty much that. The spectre of Carter was way more than the reality ever was. From what I can tell he was a great man and maybe a weak president, but I would take his next-to-dead ass over what he currently have any day.

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Carter also brokered a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel. Kind of a major foreign policy success. 

My uncle was in the Secret Service at the time and was assigned to guard Sadat at the Camp David Peace Accord.  There's a famous TIME Magazine photo showing all the dignitaries that almost looks like the Last Supper -- my uncle is standing in the background looking all Secret Service-like.

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24 minutes ago, Tom said:

Carter was before my time.  I was born in the 1980's. But I've heard my entire life how terrible of a president he was.  I've  believed it for decades and always thought of him as a great, kind man but a poor president.  Kind of comparable to Charlie Strong as a coach at Texas.  

Now, after hearing the way the right talks about Obama as being just as bad for the economy and everything else while living though it and knowing it's bullshit, I'm questioning everything and am skeptical whether Carter was half as bad as the right made him out to be.  

Some presidents get a good situation handed to them and they reap the benefits.  See Bill Clinton and Dotus.

Carter got served a shit sandwich, economically and came off as thoughtful, deliberate, and dare I say, wimpy.

In a way his election was rejection of the Nixon era of which Ford was a part, so there was never really any overwhelming mandate for any of his policies.

Huge contrast with Reagan who America embraced kind of like George's mother embraced Lloyd Braun.

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50 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Carter got served a shit sandwich, economically and came off as thoughtful, deliberate, and dare I say, wimpy.

This is a great description. The economy was shit and inflation was running wild. Bank loans were over 15%apr. Then the oil crisis hit and everybody who was driving 8mpg cars bought 20mpg cars from Japan (at 15%apr). Carter tried to wake people up to their situation in the "Great malaise" speech and get them to put on a sweater instead of cranking up the thermostat. That went over like a lead balloon. Toss in Iran and the failed rescue and he was doomed.

Intellectually, he may have been one of the smartest men to ever hold the office. Rickover hand picked him for nukes. That is no low bar.

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Trump wouldn’t have won without the Russian interference.  It was easier for them to hack the voters with their influence operation than it was to hack voting machines. 


But they also hacked voting machines and the woman Reality Winner is in prison because she illegally disclosed this information. How effective they were is in dispute, classified, or unknown.

Both siders like Anastasis should be screaming from the high heavens about this rather than how much probable cause was in the FISA warrant from the Dossier.

On a side note, the Dossier and Benghazi have traction among the dumbasses because they sound cool.
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1 hour ago, Tom said:

Carter was before my time.  I was born in the 1980's. But I've heard my entire life how terrible of a president he was.  I've  believed it for decades and always thought of him as a great, kind man but a poor president.  Kind of comparable to Charlie Strong as a coach at Texas.  

Now, after hearing the way the right talks about Obama as being just as bad for the economy and everything else while living though it and knowing it's bullshit, I'm questioning everything and am skeptical whether Carter was half as bad as the right made him out to be.  

wait till you read his "malaise speech."

 

 

 

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wait till you read his "malaise speech."

 

 

 

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