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11 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Commerce secretary they have to prop up at meetings. Devin Nunes, Director of National Intelligence. Seriously, we're running out of adults here. When the shit hits the fan we're totally fucked. Like lasting, permanent damaged fucked.

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5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

It's like they didn't even CONSIDER pricing out the conference room at the Drury Inn in Mobile, AL.  That's just sloppy management on their part, that's what that is.

Tahoe's committee was too busy eating donuts to send the recommendation up the chain. 

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4 hours ago, sachick said:


Not the same. One time events. You think if a video came out of Trump shooting a man in the head, we would have protests, of that size, demanding he resign? Nope. Maybe if he got caught with/participating in kiddie porn. Maybe then the evangelicals would turn on him. Maybe.

They could see video of Trump raping a 13-year-old and they'd tell the child to ask God's forgiveness for tempting the president into sin. 

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1 hour ago, horncyclist said:

Commerce secretary they have to prop up at meetings. Devin Nunes, Director of National Intelligence. Seriously, we're running out of adults here. When the shit hits the fan we're totally fucked. Like lasting, permanent damaged fucked.

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2 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

The person he tagged has 300 followers and is a “Dolphin and whale retreat facilitator.”

 

That's great. Looks like the account has been inactive for 10 years.

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2 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

he will declare the loss “fake” and the election “rigged,” and will stay in power illegitimately, with the support of 100% of Republicans.  and nothing will happen. 

He'll be removed by force if necessary. He's no longer president the second someone else is sworn in.

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I'm more worried about him actively conspiring with a foreign government to swing the election to him. Cause, you know, he did it the first time and perhaps got away with it. Plus, in 2016 the alternative to being president was another season of celebrity apprentice. The alternative in 2020, will likely be prison. I would put nothing past him.

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4 hours ago, David Dennison said:

He'll be removed by force if necessary. 

that should have happened a long time ago.  an illegitimate election with Trump staying on isn’t going to be the thing that makes that finally happen.  

i’d put the chances of either Trump winning via suppression, foreign interference and other election rigging and cheating, or him losing and staying on anyway, at 90%+. either way, no one will  do anything about it.  

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6 hours ago, David Dennison said:

I actually hope he tries to hold on to power. I really, really, really, really want to see that shit storm.

Fuck it. 

The scenario I'm worried about isn't where NBC calls the election at 9 PM for president-elect Warren and Trump throws a fit about illegals voting. Trump would have to leave then. What I'm worried about is him going all out on election manipulation, vote suppression and foreign help to squeek out a victory. Blatant stealing an election and then engaging in a massive coverup, all kinds of authoritarian shit to follow. End stages of the dictatorial playbook. That's what we're staring down here. 

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The worst part of trump is that he’s now created the playbook for someone like him to win. We will see successors attempt to follow the same path by wrapping themselves in a MAGA flag.  Perhaps the mainstream GOP will reject that person or perhaps not. Some may follow MAGA just because they have become too emotionally tied to it.

 

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My hope is that there is pent up dissent among the republicans that will result in fragmentation once trump has moved on.  My hope is that they’re learning the lesson but misplaced political loyalty and the thirst for power are prevailing principles.  Their true reckoning can occur once they’ve lost what they’re seeking to retain.  Trumps ardent supporters reluctantly fall in line behind the next nominee just like they switch to an SEC chant when their favorite team finishes third in the division.

But I don’t consider myself a hopeful person. I’ve been around long enough to turn cynical. 

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On July 17, 2019 at 6:55 PM, retread said:

Pretty good chance he ups the ante tonight. What word will he pull from his 5th grade vocabulary to insult the Four? Dog? Unattractive? 

 

On July 17, 2019 at 7:01 PM, WhatTheBuck said:

Has he called them dumb yet?

 

On July 17, 2019 at 7:11 PM, retread said:

That's a good one. I don't think he's used it yet.

Btw, in case no one noticed, he went there yesterday. It was just a matter of time.

 

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1 hour ago, horncyclist said:

What I'm worried about is him going all out on election manipulation, vote suppression and foreign help to squeek out a victory. Blatant stealing an election and then engaging in a massive coverup, all kinds of authoritarian shit to follow. End stages of the dictatorial playbook.

sure, because that is exactly what is going to happen.   and no one will do a goddamn thing about it.  other than worrisome commentary, furrowed brows, and public handwringing and tsk-tsk’ing.  people who think that we are going to vote this guy out of office and that he’ll hand over the reigns appear naive at best and delusional at worst, IMO. i hope i’m wrong on this but i’d bet heavily that he’s still sitting right where he is now - illegitimately - in late 2021.  shit, he’s there illegitimately now - plus he’s a proven felon, compulsive liar, serial sexual predator, and traitor, and no one has done a single meaningful thing about it.  

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The scenario I'm worried about isn't where NBC calls the election at 9 PM for president-elect Warren and Trump throws a fit about illegals voting. Trump would have to leave then. What I'm worried about is him going all out on election manipulation, vote suppression and foreign help to squeek out a victory. Blatant stealing an election and then engaging in a massive coverup, all kinds of authoritarian shit to follow. End stages of the dictatorial playbook. That's what we're staring down here. 

This. A re-elected Trump, with no need to campaign for re-election, will be a rabid dog off the chain.
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My hope is that there is pent up dissent among the republicans that will result in fragmentation once trump has moved on.  My hope is that they’re learning the lesson but misplaced political loyalty and the thirst for power are prevailing principles.  Their true reckoning can occur once they’ve lost what they’re seeking to retain.  Trumps ardent supporters reluctantly fall in line behind the next nominee just like they switch to an SEC chant when their favorite team finishes third in the division.
But I don’t consider myself a hopeful person. I’ve been around long enough to turn cynical. 


Remember the white paper (appropriately named) the GOP did after 2012 saying they needed a bigger tent, to be more inclusive, etc...?

Didn’t really take.
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1 hour ago, Jack Straw said:

i hope i’m wrong on this but i’d bet heavily that he’s still sitting right where he is now - illegitimately - in late 2021.  shit, he’s there illegitimately now - plus he’s a proven felon, compulsive liar, serial sexual predator, and traitor, and no one has done a single meaningful thing about it.  

In 2016 the Dems won a bunch of house seats by delivering tailored messages in each of those districts with an anti-Trump overarching theme.

While I haven't seen a great, uniformly liked Dem candidate emerge, and don't think we will see one, there are lots of people trying to do meaningful things about it -- at least more meaningful than grousing on the internet.

People need to start getting in shape to work on congressional and in applicable, Senate campaigns, as well as state races. 

I still think Beto lost for two reasons - a beyond shitastic Dem candidate for Governor who probably chased away more Dems than she courted, and Beto's failure to come up with a tougher immigration stance. 

People can still chip away at Trump's power by driving his bootlicking henchmen out of power. 

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