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GHOSTUSER
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I fucking love this President. My 2 faves during my lifetime are Trump and Nixon. They share a lot of similarities and were besieged by the same groups of assholes. No I’m not trolling. Y’all, the lef

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This.....is magnificent. The "younger generation" is going to have to work double-time to fund YOUR Social Security, which YOUR generation of elected officials raided the fuck out of.  And which,

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/13/us/politics/trump-financial-records-lawsuit.html

 

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A full federal appeals court on Wednesday refused to take up President Trump’s appeal of an earlier ruling that his accounting firm must comply with a House committee’s demands and turn over eight years of his financial records.

In the latest of a string of court losses for Mr. Trump over his uncompromising vow to fight “all” subpoenas from Congress, the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia rejected his request that it rehear a case in which he challenged the subpoena to the firm, Mazars USA.

 

 

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A three-judge appeals court panel in October rejected that sweeping argument and upheld Congress’s authority to issue the subpoena by a 2-to-1 vote. But Mr. Trump petitioned the full court to erase that ruling and reconsider the case. The court on Wednesday rejected his request, 8 to 3.

The eight judges in the majority included seven appointed by Democratic presidents, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. One, Judge Thomas Griffith, was appointed by President George W. Bush, a Republican.

The three judges who dissented were all appointed by Republican presidents: both of Mr. Trump’s appointees on the bench, Gregory Katsas and Neomi Rao, the latter of whom had been the dissenting vote in the earlier panel decision. The third was a judge appointed by President George Bush, Karen L. Henderson.

 

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7 hours ago, Tuco said:

This is the one I would focus on.  Bribery is specifically referenced in the Constitution, so you don't really need to cite a regulation.  I'd say it stands on its own as a common language understanding.  Otherwise Congress would be able to effectively modify the Constitution through legislation.  

But you may need to walk them through it with an analogy.  I'd go with this:  when a health inspector visits a restaurant, he has the power to give them citations or give them a clean rating.  But that power is incumbent making the decision based on the objective laws, not what the restaurant can do for them personally.  If the owner said "I really need to get a clean rating on this" and the inspector replied "ok, but I need you to do me a favor first" that would be a really good indication that he is extorting a bribe.  It doesn't have to be cash.  Likewise, the President was given the task to provide military aid to Ukraine.  This was something directed by Congress.  It was his duty to provide it, and he can't condition the fulfillment of his duties on a favor which would benefit him personally. So, if it can be established that he predicated the fulfillment of his duties on the Ukrainian President giving him a favor, it's bribery, and the Constitution dictates he should be removed.  It may be argued that it hasn't been completely established he did so, but that is the point of the hearings and the eventual trial.  Clearly it is regarding an impeachable offense. 

 

Late to thread (had actual work to do today), but the only ammendment I'd make to this otherwise excellent analogy is that the restaurant (Ukraine) did earn a favorable inspection (from the DoD, State, etc.) but the inspector's boss is the one withholding the passing grade.

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1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Ask the Supremes to see if they want to intervene.  If they choose not to, then that's it; the House gets his returns.

I think you’ll have at least 4 justices wanting to take the case. It might come to Roberts for the decision. If it’s 5-4 either way then we probably won’t find out the decision until next summer.

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

There is a 100% chance of this happening.  The Dems in congress will do nothing and the public will shrug.

i'm not saying you're wrong, but what does "doing something" look like at this point?

until they start throwing people in jail or disbarring/taking law licenses away, then the administration will continue to say fuck off, or tell people to say fuck off.  he's walled himself in and he's trapped.  but the bad news for us, is that he's walled in and trapped.  he breaks the law every day, but none of it matters anymore, so we all just sit here and watch.

the republicans spent all day spinning the fact that "none of these witnesses ever actually spoke to trump".  well, that's true.  so how about mulvaney, bolton, pompeo?  oh, they won't testify because fuck off.

if you like trump and say nice things about him, then you're credible.  if you say anything else, then by definition, you're a never-trumper, and therefore have an axe to grind, and are not credible.  somehow, zero credible people are willing to go on the record to defend the president in an impeachment he can't possibly lose anyway.

this will all end in november 2020.  hopefully with some violence.

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10 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Even this is bullshit.

I've only been to New York city three times, but I've found New Yorkers to be no more or less nice, polite, and helpful than people is Austin, Dallas, or any small town. And they certainly are less judgemental.

At the worst they are a little pushy getting on or off the subway.

 

(Not picking on you Atom, just making an observation about what a lot of people (incorrectly imo) think of New Yorkers.

New Yorkers get a bad rap honestly. They have some big hearts and do well by folks for the most part. New Jersey on the other hand, hoo boy...

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I've met some great folks from New York (both from the city and also from the rural areas) and people are pretty much people. Good 'uns and bad 'uns. Blanket labeling does no one any good.

The President has a post lunch meeting with the Secretary General, Jens Stoltenberg, of NATO today. Could be touchy diplomacy here. Turkey is a member, Russia is not, and Trump has mentioned withdrawing from NATO multiple times. If he were to do that, well then, Merry Christmas Mr. Putin.

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1 hour ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Blanket labeling does no one any good.

No, it doesn’t, but Republicans are openly saying Democrats want to take your guns, your cars, your homes, your children.    Well, maybe not the last one.  

You know, it’s easy to blow that stuff off as just a group of people who are terrified of next year’s election, but it sure does feel like there are bigger forces at play than a simple loss of power at the voting booth.   But that leads down the conspiracy road.  

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1 hour ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

Please, please, please let Trump start another rumor about withdrawing from NATO. Let's get the republicans to try and spin that decision. Heck, maybe Trump could push to get the band back together with a new Warsaw Pact. We could be their new Steve Perry, or Sammy Hagar.

We could be their Arnel Pineda. 

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53 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

So you've never been to Philly then

When I was about 12 as a tourist. You know, Liberty Bell, the Mint, all of that. I don't recall meeting anyone that was less than nice, but as a youngster I doubt that would be too common anyway. My husband works with someone who is a Philly native. She is fine, although extremely partisan regarding the Eagles.

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14 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:


My high school shop teacher is one of those people. Grew up across the street from him. He was on a nuclear sub during Vietnam. He led my explorer chapter and took us on all kinds of great camping trips. Raised three great kids. Taught me how to use a band saw. Good catholic, great guy. Hardcore Trumper. Posts Russian fake news daily. It’s sad.

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

No, it doesn’t, but Republicans are openly saying Democrats want to take your guns, your cars, your homes, your children.    Well, maybe not the last one.  

You know, it’s easy to blow that stuff off as just a group of people who are terrified of next year’s election, but it sure does feel like there are bigger forces at play than a simple loss of power at the voting booth.   But that leads down the conspiracy road.  

I'm not sure I was clear enough, or perhaps I am misunderstanding you. I was referring more to regions and towns as opposed to ideologies. Like someone saying that San Francisco residents are all homeless socialists or everyone from Alabama is an ignorant rube. Evil and self-serving is not unique to one municipality, but neither is good and altruistic.

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29 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I'm not sure I was clear enough, or perhaps I am misunderstanding you. I was referring more to regions and towns as opposed to ideologies. Like someone saying that San Francisco residents are all homeless socialists or everyone from Alabama is an ignorant rube. Evil and self-serving is not unique to one municipality, but neither is good and altruistic.

Sorry, was just commenting at a higher level on the GOP's trend of demonizing the left and certain groups.  I get what you are saying - I live in Austin, I'm used to Republicans shitting all over us.

We'd better buckle up because they will go all-out on trying to divide us by regions, states, and towns next year.  We already know they can target down to that level, based on 2016.

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8 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

imo, Trump's biggest failure as POTUS is not locking this bitch up.

Well, the problem there, and I admit it's a rather arcane point of law, but anyway, the problem there is that she would have had to commit a crime.

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1 hour ago, Fozzz said:

imo, Trump's biggest failure as POTUS is not locking this bitch up.

 

imo, your biggest failure as a poster is that you project your ideas on the internet instead of Farah Fawcett in a swimsuit.

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2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Well, the problem there, and I admit it's a rather arcane point of law, but anyway, the problem there is that she would have had to commit a crime.

That and he would be locking up one of his main talking points, and he can't do that, otherwise that's a few minutes of speaking time that he would have to fill.

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That and he would be locking up one of his main talking points, and he can't do that, otherwise that's a few minutes of speaking time that he would have to fill.

Yup. He could actually work on locking her up. He knows he’d fail, so he’s not doing it because why pursue a failing outcome and take away his red meat for the base?
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