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I fucking love this President. My 2 faves during my lifetime are Trump and Nixon. They share a lot of similarities and were besieged by the same groups of assholes. No I’m not trolling. Y’all, the lef

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This.....is magnificent. The "younger generation" is going to have to work double-time to fund YOUR Social Security, which YOUR generation of elected officials raided the fuck out of.  And which,

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I know, ledge and all that...but this is very big, and very bad.

We have the secretary of the navy (who, while technically a civilian, in most cases - including this one - is also a retired military officer) saying in writing that he is being terminated for refusing to follow what he sees as an unlawful order.

The chain of command is breaking, at the very top. This is fucking dangerous territory.
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I know, ledge and all that...but this is very big, and very bad.

We have the secretary of the navy (who, while technically a civilian, in most cases - including this one - is also a retired military officer) saying in writing that he is being terminated for refusing to follow what he sees as an unlawful order.

The chain of command is breaking, at the very top. This is fucking dangerous territory.

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15 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


I know, ledge and all that...but this is very big, and very bad.

We have the secretary of the navy (who, while technically a civilian, in most cases - including this one - is also a retired military officer) saying in writing that he is being terminated for refusing to follow what he sees as an unlawful order.

The chain of command is breaking, at the very top. This is fucking dangerous territory.

No question about it.  We are definitely on the road to full blown dictatorship.  And I'm not even being hyperbolic.  

He's going to install another trumpist as Sec. of the Navy and begin striping disloyal Admirals and General of their command and control functions, while back filling with more trump loyalist, and on and on it will go because the gop and Fox.

Congratulations Putin...please be gentle

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14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


I know, ledge and all that...but this is very big, and very bad.

We have the secretary of the navy (who, while technically a civilian, in most cases - including this one - is also a retired military officer) saying in writing that he is being terminated for refusing to follow what he sees as an unlawful order.

The chain of command is breaking, at the very top. This is fucking dangerous territory.

Well, at least it's getting a lot of attention, and not the kind of attention that Trump would want (I think he's too stupid to know it).

Sure, Trumpkins are celebrating Donald Fucking Trump Draining The Swamp.

But I spent some time this afternoon looking around at various sites, military blogs, Facebook, various forums, etc. and if you subtract the MAGA idiots piling in to defend Trump (it's like the Trump Signal went off in the sky and they flocked to defend him), this is not sitting right with a shitload of military folks.  

And more than a few are noting that Eddie Gallagher is active-duty and acting way out of line accusing his superiors of insubordination.  

You won't see many active-duty folks talking this up publicly, because they don't want MAGAts harassing them and their families, trying to report them, etc. (and yes the fucking MAGA types will try and report active-duty personnel who make their views on Trump known), but I've seen it privately on FB among some of my friends, and have seen it with a bunch of vets who have served within the past 20 years, who have left the service.

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44 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

That fucker doesn't deserve to wear the Trident, but I say let him have it and hope his team frags his ass.

He's retiring on November 30.  He's a lot of things, but he's not an idiot when it comes to this - he knows he is finished, and he's trying to get out before it goes in front of the review board on December 2nd.

Him retiring this week is probably why he was pimping 9 Line clothing, and publicly bitching about his superiors.  All he has to do is run out the clock.

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He's retiring on November 30.  He's a lot of things, but he's not an idiot when it comes to this - he knows he is finished, and he's trying to get out before it goes in front of the review board on December 2nd.

Him retiring this week is probably why he was pimping 9 Line clothing, and publicly bitching about his superiors.  All he has to do is run out the clock.

Oh good, perhaps he can be trump's new Sec. of the Navy

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29 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

We’re witnessing the end of America as we knew it and no one gives a fuck enough in power to stop it. 

Best to focus on building something better and hope the violence is kept to a minimum. 

Holy shit, how old are you Hugo?

This is not the end of America, not even close to it.  My grandparents went though the Great Depression, then a war that saw 16 million Americans in uniform and that saw 120,000 Americans rounded up and put in internment camps, and then later the Civil Rights movements when churches were being bombed, and topped off with Vietnam.

You might have a point if the Rs had kept the House, but they didn't, they lost it last year, lost some major contests this year, and just in the past two weeks, the President and Co. had quite a bit of their shit put on blast, with a lot more to come.

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He's retiring on November 30.  He's a lot of things, but he's not an idiot when it comes to this - he knows he is finished, and he's trying to get out before it goes in front of the review board on December 2nd.
Him retiring this week is probably why he was pimping 9 Line clothing, and publicly bitching about his superiors.  All he has to do is run out the clock.

If there was ever a time for a code red...
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On 11/22/2019 at 3:39 PM, Biff Tannen said:

This is something else that just kills me.  If any other, literally any other, R candidate had won in 2016, we would not be reacting this way.  Sure, we would disagree with a lot of their policies, but that's always been the case.  We all knew what the dotard was.  Yet the Rs continue to think that we are just mad because he beat Hillary.  No, you ignorant sluts, we are mad because he's a fucking crazy person that doesn't know what he's doing and is destroying this nation.

Shit, half the GOP was on record before the primary saying the same things about Trump that are being said today.

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18 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Holy shit, how old are you Hugo?

This is not the end of America, not even close to it.  My grandparents went though the Great Depression, then a war that saw 16 million Americans in uniform and that saw 120,000 Americans rounded up and put in internment camps, and then later the Civil Rights movements when churches were being bombed, and topped off with Vietnam.

You might have a point if the Rs had kept the House, but they didn't, they lost it last year, lost some major contests this year, and just in the past two weeks, the President and Co. had quite a bit of their shit put on blast, with a lot more to come.

They didn't have Fox news and millions of people with military grade weapons back then

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17 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

You might have a point if the Rs had kept the House,

What would be fundamentally different right now if the Rs kept the House?  We wouldn’t have a perfunctory impeachment?  Okay, great.  

America isn’t over, but the experiment has failed on nearly every institutional level.  

America is merely a population governed by amoral billionaire criminals accountable to no one. 

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They didn't have Fox news and millions of people with military grade weapons back then

Where are those millions of people with military grade weapons?  They weren't showing up over the past two weeks to stop the HIC from putting Trump's shenanigans on blast.  They weren't showing up to make sure an R won the governor's races in Kentucky and Louisiana.  They couldn't stop the Democrats from taking the House last year.

They sure as hell weren't able to keep an Muslim, atheist, Marxist, Communist, Socialist, Kenyan from Chicago who was born in Indonesia, named Barrack Hussein Obama from winning the White House.  Twice.  

And they had Fox Fucking News making sure they knew he was a Muslim, atheist, Marxist, Communist, Socialist, Kenyan from Chicago who was born in Indonesia, named Barrack Hussein Obama.

In short, they won't do shit.  Rascal scooters only have a limited range, and they have to be back home in time to make sure they get their insulin (paid for by Medicare).  

I know where they are at.  They are on the internet.  Facebook, TexAgs, SECRant, Free Republic, reddit, Voat.co, twitter, and that's where they will continue to remain, with one of the nuttier ones occasionally wandering off of the reservation to shoot up a Walmart or whatever.  

Much like their messiah, they are scared shitless of their own shadows.  Sure, they'll spit in the drinks of that lesbian couple that accidentally wanders into their shithole fast-food joint, or they'll drag out reading the receipt of that brown person wanting to get out of the Walmart and back home to their brown spouse and brown kids, but that's about it.

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44 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Holy shit, how old are you Hugo?

This is not the end of America, not even close to it.  My grandparents went though the Great Depression, then a war that saw 16 million Americans in uniform and that saw 120,000 Americans rounded up and put in internment camps, and then later the Civil Rights movements when churches were being bombed, and topped off with Vietnam.

You might have a point if the Rs had kept the House, but they didn't, they lost it last year, lost some major contests this year, and just in the past two weeks, the President and Co. had quite a bit of their shit put on blast, with a lot more to come.

Again, the 60s were much worse than today.

 

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34 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

What would be fundamentally different right now if the Rs kept the House?  We wouldn’t have a perfunctory impeachment?  Okay, great.  

America isn’t over, but the experiment has failed on nearly every institutional level.  

The House conducting their hearings and putting Trump shit on blast says the experiment hasn't failed.  The Democrats in the House staring him down over his little border hedge says the experiment hasn't failed.  The various setbacks in courts that Trump has experienced says the experiment hasn't failed.   Trump's cronies that are doing prison time, along with various state AGs looking to run a train on Trump when he's out of office says the experiment hasn't failed.  The first-time voters who came out last year say the experiment hasn't failed.

And while it may piss many of us off, Republican Senators willing to save his ass from getting the boot are doing exactly what they were elected to do - act like Republicans.  They aren't breaking any laws in saving his ass when it comes time to vote.

34 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

America is merely a population governed by amoral billionaire criminals accountable to no one. 

They are accountable to us, if we as a nation choose to vote in the right people, with the right ideas.  We are lazy as a whole, no doubt, when it comes to politics, and yes, pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered, but that is 100% on us.

I know, I know, that nice warm bath looks inviting Hugo.  Maybe you want to slide into it, play with the razor blade a little bit.  But we aren't there yet.  So climb out, dry off, and get back to whatever it is you do for a living, or for recreation, or whatever you like to do with your time.

We have a helluva long way to go, and no matter what Trump does, when he loses a year from now, he's done in January of 2021.  He can't order Justice Roberts to swear him in a second time when he loses.  And he sure as shit can't be pardoned from state crimes when the states come after his ass.  

And Trump knows it.  Not a day goes by, where we don't catch a glimpse of the fear and paranoia lurking in whatever makes up Trump's brain.  He is not a man confident that he will leave office and not be charged by one or more state attorney generals.  Hell, he is not even confident he will make it through impeachment unscathed.

Every time he attacks impeachment, the Democrats, etc., it's not about getting independents and Dems on his side by showing them the error of their ways, it's because he's scared shitless that he's losing Republicans, both the voting public, and more importantly, those in Congress, and he's trying to bring them to heel, to make sure that they better have his back.

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are accountable to us, if we as a nation choose to vote in the right people, with the right ideas.  We are lazy as a whole, no doubt, when it comes to politics, and yes, pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered, but that is 100% on us.

I know, I know, that nice warm bath looks inviting Hugo.  Maybe you want to slide into it, play with the razor blade a little bit.  But we aren't there yet.  So climb out, dry off, and get back to whatever it is you do for a living, or for recreation, or whatever you like to do with your time.

We have a helluva long way to go, and no matter what Trump does, when he loses a year from now, he's done in January of 2021.  He can't order Justice Roberts to swear him in a second time when he loses.  And he sure as shit can't be pardoned from state crimes when the states come after his ass.  

And Trump knows it.  Not a day goes by, where we don't catch a glimpse of the fear and paranoia lurking in whatever makes up Trump's brain.  He is not a man confident that he will leave office and not be charged by one or more state attorney generals.  Hell, he is not even confident he will make it through impeachment unscathed.

I want to be wrong, I hope I am. 

But there is an entire support system keeping Trump from falling regardless of the evidence or facts.  That’s the real threat to democracy.  

 

Sums it up. 

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21 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

People gave more of a fuck in the 60s from what I could tell.  

There was a lot of shit happening in the 60's. Jim Crow laws, bussing, but mostly it was the draft. The draft touched everyone indiscriminately unless you were rich, privileged and could get a National Guard slot or buy your way out with a fake doctor's diagnosis for bone spurs.

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25 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Where are those millions of people with military grade weapons?  They weren't showing up over the past two weeks to stop the HIC from putting Trump's shenanigans on blast.  They weren't showing up to make sure an R won the governor's races in Kentucky and Louisiana.  They couldn't stop the Democrats from taking the House last year.

They sure as hell weren't able to keep an Muslim, atheist, Marxist, Communist, Socialist, Kenyan from Chicago who was born in Indonesia, named Barrack Hussein Obama from winning the White House.  Twice.  

And they had Fox Fucking News making sure they knew he was a Muslim, atheist, Marxist, Communist, Socialist, Kenyan from Chicago who was born in Indonesia, named Barrack Hussein Obama.

In short, they won't do shit.  Rascal scooters only have a limited range, and they have to be back home in time to make sure they get their insulin (paid for by Medicare).  

I know where they are at.  They are on the internet.  Facebook, TexAgs, SECRant, Free Republic, reddit, Voat.co, twitter, and that's where they will continue to remain, with one of the nuttier ones occasionally wandering off of the reservation to shoot up a Walmart or whatever.  

Much like their messiah, they are scared shitless of their own shadows.  Sure, they'll spit in the drinks of that lesbian couple that accidentally wanders into their shithole fast-food joint, or they'll drag out reading the receipt of that brown person wanting to get out of the Walmart and back home to their brown spouse and brown kids, but that's about it.

A lot of them are at my local Walmart.  They're not cowards, they're awaiting their orders from Dear Leader

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Where are those millions of people with military grade weapons?  They weren't showing up over the past two weeks to stop the HIC from putting Trump's shenanigans on blast.  They weren't showing up to make sure an R won the governor's races in Kentucky and Louisiana.  They couldn't stop the Democrats from taking the House last year.

In short, they won't do shit.  Rascal scooters only have a limited range, and they have to be back home in time to make sure they get their insulin (paid for by Medicare).  

I know where they are at.  They are on the internet.  Facebook, TexAgs, SECRant, Free Republic, reddit, Voat.co, twitter, and that's where they will continue to remain, with one of the nuttier ones occasionally wandering off of the reservation to shoot up a Walmart or whatever.  

Much like their messiah, they are scared shitless of their own shadows.  Sure, they'll spit in the drinks of that lesbian couple that accidentally wanders into their shithole fast-food joint, or they'll drag out reading the receipt of that brown person wanting to get out of the Walmart and back home to their brown spouse and brown kids, but that's about it.

So, no go on WE READY?

I wanted to put on a Kuwaiti-style Turkey Shoot for my friends watching from The Ledge.  Dang it!

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16 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I just don’t see a guy like Trump making it this far in 1967.  That’s my point. 

 

14 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Ronald Reagan was governor of California and later president, so it's not without precedent.

And LBJ and Tricky Dick would run rings around Trump when it comes to general fuckery.

The political machinations in regards to Vietnam alone, leading up to the '68 election, make some of the shit that Republicans do today look tame by comparison.  Nixon was more than happy to spoil the peace talks to help himself win in 68.   Nixon was also threatening existing members of LBJ's administration (the CIA Director, etc.) that they had better help him, or they would be fired.

1,400 soldiers a month were dying in '68, and Nixon was trying to torpedo the peace talks between LBJ's administration and the North Vietnames.

Let me repeat that:  An American politician was willing to work on making sure that thousands more American soldiers were killed in order to help him beat the Democrats, all so that he could try and make up for the embarrassment of being beaten by that motherfucking Catholic from Massachusetts back in '60. 

 

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I want to be wrong, I hope I am. 

But there is an entire support system keeping Trump from falling regardless of the evidence or facts.  That’s the real threat to democracy.

They couldn't stop the House hearings, not to mention preventing the House from flipping in the first place.  They couldn't stop the document release the other night.  They couldn't stop Rudy's Ukrainian buddy from ratting out Nunes, Rudy, and Trump.  They haven't been able to stop the courts ruling against Trump.

Trump's support system consists of surrounding himself with people who openly brag about having "insurance" if he tries to throw them under the bus, and then clumsily try and walk it back when they realize what they've said.

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We’re pretty much waiting for Barr to start charging Trump’s political enemies with crimes.  He’s been telegraphing this is where we’re headed already. 

If he was going to try, he would have already done so, probably before the Mueller Report was finished, but sure as shit before the House hearings over the past two weeks.   Trump, and by proxy, his administration (including Barr) are ultimately cowards.  Trump wouldn't even fire Mueller.

Hugo, you sound like you are still in college, or at least early 20s, because your perspective at times is that of somebody around that age, for whom events like Watergate and people like Nixon are very, very distant things in history books, let alone the Civil Rights movement and Vietnam.  When Nixon died, I very clearly remember people trying to rehabilitate his image (helped by being around Republicans organizing campaigns, including George W's for Governor of Texas), and that got me looking into a lot of this kind of stuff, and realizing just how shitty he was.  It also put a lot of things in perspective.  

Let me put it like this:  If you went back to my 20-something self and said "AHB, you're gonna have a black President before you turn 40", I would have laughed very hard at you.  Then I would have joked "yeah, sure and I suppose the Astros are going to switch to the AL and win a World Series!"  And yet, here we are.  We have made a shit-ton of progress in a very short time during my adulthood - we have moved forward more than Trump has set us back.

If Trump was going to straight-up go after his political enemies like you imagine, he wouldn't have his personal lawyer sneaking around and doing shady shit in Ukraine.  And he would have had Mueller fired and taken his chances with Congress and the courts.  All Trump ultimately does about his political enemies is whine on twitter.  The Bidens and Hillary are still walking around free (and living rent-free in his thoughts).

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Hugo, if nothing else, a few minutes looking at Trump's twitter feed every day should reassure you that he's scared, and that he thinks he won't come out of this smelling like roses and with his family fortune intact.  He works hard to try and scare his base and bully Rs in Congress to stay on his side.  

There is something lurking out there that terrifies him, and I don't know if it's his financials being released and his little empire being exposed to the light of day, or if it's something that makes Ukraine look tame in comparison.  There is something though.

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