Donald Trump 2019

[Thrawn 538]

I know political boards have been infested with trolls since they were first created.  After all it is a topic that easily lends itself to trolling.  I suppose I was naive, but what I never thought I would see would be a whole fucking party resort to trolling because they know they can't defend their current fucked up positions or leader.  Especially a party I was a member of not that long ago.  

[Incredulity 11532]

22 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

Proud conservative is one thing, and even if I don't agree with you I can respect a well thought out and stated conservative viewpoint. The GOP these days has gone so far off the rails following Trump it has become something totally different hiding behind "conservatism" and has nothing to do with what conservatives used to stand for.

Bullshit.

Nothing more lulz inducing than watching the leftists pine for “reasonable conservatives” including Bush.  You know the anti-christ, war criminal, moron from 00-08.

[Chad Fuck 17503]

5 minutes ago, Cosimo de' Medici said:

I won't neg you because you're an airplane guy, but fuck off nonetheless 

Neg away, I can handle it.  I don't neg in the CR for simple partisan dumbassery, that's what this place is for. 

For the record, I didn't neg you, I just pointed out you can't spell.  When one lobs insults, it's best to ensure that those insults are spelled correctly.  Otherwise, one risks looking like, well, a dumbass.  

 

 

[Homercles 10205]

13 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

58 minutes ago, Cosimo de' Medici said:

Going back to work now to pay for a good chunk your constituents laziness.

Are you a Trump supporter? No apostrophe. That's the President's favorite punctuation mark. Even human scum like me know that.

 

[Chrispy_ 105]

5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Bullshit.

Nothing more lulz inducing than watching the leftists pine for “reasonable conservatives” including Bush.  You know the anti-christ, war criminal, moron from 00-08.

[Biff Tannen 45477]

Christ y'all are morons.

[achooloco 1065]

43 minutes ago, Cosimo de' Medici said:

Come on pussies, keeps the negs rolling. I am a proud conservative and red rep status is welcomed in this forum of jackasses.

Not past -100 dumbass

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

25 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Bullshit.

Nothing more lulz inducing than watching the leftists pine for “reasonable conservatives” including Bush.  You know the anti-christ, war criminal, moron from 00-08.

Did I miss the MadLib? Who is saying Bush is the representative of the historical conservative brand? Why is there such a focus on the personality instead of the ideology and the compromise required to run a country? 

No one is arguing for another Bush. The argument is that conservatism is now just the name of the team that worships the personality of Trump. Not about ideas or working towards solutions that benefit all within the country. "My team must win at all cost", regardless of what that means for a country that includes you. 

Educate us on what ideology/philosophy Trump stands for and the steps he took to realize them during the 2 years he had complete control of the government. Explain to us simpletons how those steps would benefit the country as a whole. 

You all whine about how this forum is just some liberal cabal; prove to us that we are wrong. You have 3 years of data to use to lay out for us. 

Edited December 6, 2019 by SmokeyTheBear

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13537]

27 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Bullshit.

Nothing more lulz inducing than watching the leftists pine for “reasonable conservatives” including Bush.  You know the anti-christ, war criminal, moron from 00-08.

Perhaps the "leftists" here (lol) who previously supported W or worked on one of his campaigns have heeded that old adage:

 

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

 

 

won't get fooled again.

Edited December 6, 2019 by Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand
I made you say "YEEAAHH!"

[tantric superman 4667]

1 hour ago, Cosimo de' Medici said:

Your comments have a disparate impact that is indeed racist by lib definition. Read up on it.

Disparate impact is non-racist by definition.  It's the whole point of creating the separate kind of discrimination claim.

If there is a racist animus then the theory would be disparate treatment.

[Chad Fuck 17503]

25 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Bullshit.

Nothing more lulz inducing than watching the leftists pine for “reasonable conservatives” including Bush.  You know the anti-christ, war criminal, moron from 00-08.

Another masturbatory rightist fantasy.  Like "lock her up" and "Pizzagate" and trickle down economics.

 

[Incredulity 11532]

2 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Did I miss the MadLib? Who is saying Bush is the representative of the historical conservative brand? Why is there such a focus on the personality instead of the ideology and the compromise required to run a country? 

No one is arguing for another Bush. The argument is that conservatism is now just the name of the team that worships the personality of Trump. Not about ideas or working towards solutions that benefit all within the country. "My team must win at all cost", regardless of what that means for a country that includes you. 

Educate us on what ideology/philosophy Trump stands for and the steps he took to realize them during the 2 years he had complete control of the government? Explain to us simpletons how those steps would benefit the country as a whole. 

You all whine about how this forum is just some liberal cabal; prove to us that we are wrong. You have 3 years of data to use to lay out for us. 

Is this the bargaining stage of grief?

”prove” to you? That’s a fucking joke.  

I don’t support Trump and think he is an absolute clown.

 I wholeheartedly agree with the 17 tax cuts and hope more happen.  The regulatory role back of the last 3 years has been much needed relief and I could provide a half dozen anecdotes that have specifically helped projects I have worked on.

 

[tantric superman 4667]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

The regulatory role back of the last 3 years has been much needed relief and I could provide a half dozen anecdotes that have specifically helped projects I have worked on.

[wildcat09 29187]

3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Is this the bargaining stage of grief?

”prove” to you? That’s a fucking joke.  

I don’t support Trump and think he is an absolute clown.

 I wholeheartedly agree with the 17 tax cuts and hope more happen.  The regulatory role back of the last 3 years has been much needed relief and I could provide a half dozen anecdotes that have specifically helped projects I have worked on.

 

Please, do so.

[Incredulity 11532]

Just now, tantric superman said:

And?

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Is this the bargaining stage of grief?

”prove” to you? That’s a fucking joke.  

I don’t support Trump and think he is an absolute clown.

 I wholeheartedly agree with the 17 tax cuts and hope more happen.  The regulatory role back of the last 3 years has been much needed relief and I could provide a half dozen anecdotes that have specifically helped projects I have worked on.

 

Way passed those stages of grief. Trump is the worst President we have ever had. I'm sad that our country elected him and that we have to go through the damage he is putting us through, but I'm not bargaining. 

Cause you cant. 

Dont support but will do nothing but defend him and his admin. 

Proving the point of a selfish view of how team Trump works. "Fuck you, I got mine" regardless of the negative impacts on the country as a whole. Kudos for illustrating my point in real time. 

Edited December 6, 2019 by SmokeyTheBear

[tantric superman 4667]

I too, would love to hear some good anecdotes.

[tantric superman 4667]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

And?

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Wishing to encourage her young son’s progress on the piano, a mother took the small boy to a concert of the famous pianist, Paderewski. After they were seated, the mother spotted a friend in the audience and walked down the aisle to greet her. Seizing the opportunity to explore the wonders of the concert hall, the little boy rose and eventually explored his way through a door marked “No Admittance.”

When the house lights dimmed and the concert was about to begin, the mother returned to her seat and discovered that her son was missing. Suddenly, the curtains parted and the spotlights focused on the impressive Steinway piano on stage.

In horror, the mother saw her little boy sitting at the keyboard. Innocently, he then began to play "Chopsticks".  The crowd reacted with anger, some shouts were heard, "Take the boy away!", "Who is bringing a little boy to a concert?!".

When Paderewski heard the uproar backstage, he grabbed his coat and rushed to the stage. Realizing what was going on, he went to the piano, Reaching around the little boy from behind, the master began to improvise a countermelody to “chopsticks.” As the two of them played together, Paderewski kept whispering in the boy's ear, “Keep going. Don't quit, son... don't stop... don't stop.”

Together, the old master and the little boy transformed an embarrassing situation into a wonderfully creative experience. The audience was mesmerized.

[Dahobbs 17420]

4 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Is this the bargaining stage of grief?

”prove” to you? That’s a fucking joke.  

I don’t support Trump and think he is an absolute clown.

 I wholeheartedly agree with the 17 tax cuts and hope more happen.  The regulatory role back of the last 3 years has been much needed relief and I could provide a half dozen anecdotes that have specifically helped projects I have worked on.

 

Man, I didn't realize blowing guys under a bridge required tax relief or regulatory "role backs" [sic]. You do you my friend. 

[Hornius Emeritus 12403]

7 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

 

 I wholeheartedly agree with the 17 tax cuts and hope more happen. 

 

Yeah, screw the unborn taxpayers who are going to have to pay for them. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21022]

1 hour ago, Cosimo de' Medici said:

Come on pussies, keeps the negs rolling. I am a proud conservative and red rep status is welcomed in this forum of jackasses.

You’re a cunt just like all Trumpkins, Pussy Boy.

 

[Biff Tannen 45477]

2 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

Yeah, screw the unborn taxpayers who are going to have to pay for them. 

I, for one, am ecstatic that FedEx didn't pay ANY taxes last year (compared to over a billion in 2017).  And all of that extra cash?  Was it used to create jobs, buy equipment, etc like they promised?  Nope.  Dividends and buybacks.  Well played Rs.  

[Guest Lobo]

If MMT is going to save us, as many liberals espouse, then what difference do lower marginal rates make in the long run if deficits won't matter anyway?  

(for the record, I think our personal income tax system is a joke, just like Texas property taxes.  Increase corporate/Enterprise taxes, that's how you make for a fairer system).

And Trump thinks MMT is the sport where that ring girl worked, that he tried to bang in Atlantic City a few years back.  

[tantric superman 4667]

13 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I wholeheartedly agree with the 17 tax cuts and hope more happen.

You certainly have to admit that the tax relief as structured puts a big burden on future taxpayers and citizens and was designed in a way that provided maximum benefit to wealthy citizens with, to date, very little trickle down focused on citizens who need the relief the most.

I don't mind a preference for lower taxes and less regulation.  But to argue that it should be done in a way that hamstrings future taxpayers and creates safety and health concerns (EPA regs) down the line?

 

[tantric superman 4667]

5 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I, for one, am ecstatic that FedEx didn't pay ANY taxes last year (compared to over a billion in 2017).  And all of that extra cash?  Was it used to create jobs, buy equipment, etc like they promised?  Nope.  Dividends and buybacks.  Well played Rs.  

Goddammit.  Quit trying to steal the fire from Incredulity's upcoming anecdotes!

[Brisketexan 104465]

40 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Bullshit.

Nothing more lulz inducing than watching the leftists pine for “reasonable conservatives” including Bush.  You know the anti-christ, war criminal, moron from 00-08.

Fantastic.

33 minutes ago, Chrispy_ said:

Super-fantastic.  Because....

17 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Perhaps the "leftists" here (lol) who previously supported W or worked on one of his campaigns have heeded that old adage:

 

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

 

 

won't get fooled again.

 

13 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Another masturbatory rightist fantasy.  Like "lock her up" and "Pizzagate" and trickle down economics.

 

There are dozens of posters on this forum alone who have been around and posting for a LONG time on this and predecessor forums, and who have a consistent history of voting for many repbulicans, supporting/and or defending W's administration (or at least elements of it), etc.  You can look up our history -- it's out there.  Seriously, there are a shitload of people who, for their whole lives, were generally moderate Republicans, who want absolutely NOTHING to do with the cult that exists today.

But for me, and I know I speak for others, there actually is something to be grateful about regarding this admin -- it's been eye-opening as hell.  Many of us have seen that we were suckers, we were flat-out wrong, for a long time.

In my younger days, I believed in trickle-down economics, that sort of shit.  But...and here's the important distinction....I've watched us try it over and over and over again, and I've seen it FAIL.  Maybe I believed for a long time that if you flapped your arms hard enough, you could fly.  But after watching a buncha guys try it, jump off a cliff, and go splat, I've realized I was wrong.  But Incredulity and Chrispy are still standing there, saying 'this time, it will work!"

Trump has been effective at creating a new political class -- ex-Republicans.  Now, what happens to that class is anyone's guess.  We range from pretty conservative to downright progressive, so not easy to deal with as a group.  But make no mistake, we all lament the shit out of the death of facts, truth, and reason.  While y'all happily wallow in the bullshit and get it all over you.  No thanks.

[4th&Five 41457]

 

[wildcat09 29187]

8 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

You certainly have to admit that the tax relief as structured puts a big burden on future taxpayers and citizens and was designed in a way that provided maximum benefit to wealthy citizens with, to date, very little trickle down focused on citizens who need the relief the most.

I don't mind a preference for lower taxes and less regulation.  But to argue that it should be done in a way that hamstrings future taxpayers and creates safety and health concerns (EPA regs) down the line?

 

"Fuck em, got mine" is their entire ethos.

[Bozo_Casanova 26232]

1 hour ago, Cosimo de' Medici said:

Come on pussies, keeps the negs rolling. I am a proud conservative and red rep status is welcomed in this forum of jackasses.

+rep
You probably aren't, though.

[Incredulity 11532]

8 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

I too, would love to hear some good anecdotes.

I am not going to dox any projects I have worked on.

I will say stormwater permitting has been drastically speeded(all related to EPA rulemaking/policy). Local governments are tasked with implementing EPA rules and regs.  So,  no it is not a local issue.

Specifically, a piece of zoned industrial property that had been farmed for 30 plus years couldn’t get a stormwater permit due to 1970’s satellite images that showed the “possible” prescence of wetlands.  That literally is a dark spot on a grainy satellite image from the 70’s.

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26232]

30 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

 I wholeheartedly agree with the 17 tax cuts and hope more happen.  The regulatory role back of the last 3 years has been much needed relief and I could provide a half dozen anecdotes that have specifically helped projects I have worked on.

 

Hopefully you'll use some of your tax cut to pay for a remedial english class. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26232]

13 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Fantastic.

Super-fantastic.  Because....

 

There are dozens of posters on this forum alone who have been around and posting for a LONG time on this and predecessor forums, and who have a consistent history of voting for many repbulicans, supporting/and or defending W's administration (or at least elements of it), etc.  You can look up our history -- it's out there.  Seriously, there are a shitload of people who, for their whole lives, were generally moderate Republicans, who want absolutely NOTHING to do with the cult that exists today.

But for me, and I know I speak for others, there actually is something to be grateful about regarding this admin -- it's been eye-opening as hell.  Many of us have seen that we were suckers, we were flat-out wrong, for a long time.

In my younger days, I believed in trickle-down economics, that sort of shit.  But...and here's the important distinction....I've watched us try it over and over and over again, and I've seen it FAIL.  Maybe I believed for a long time that if you flapped your arms hard enough, you could fly.  But after watching a buncha guys try it, jump off a cliff, and go splat, I've realized I was wrong.  But Incredulity and Chrispy are still standing there, saying 'this time, it will work!"

Trump has been effective at creating a new political class -- ex-Republicans.  Now, what happens to that class is anyone's guess.  We range from pretty conservative to downright progressive, so not easy to deal with as a group.  But make no mistake, we all lament the shit out of the death of facts, truth, and reason.  While y'all happily wallow in the bullshit and get it all over you.  No thanks.

You and @Ghost of LL were actual party affiliated Republicans.  I remember you arguing in favor of the 2001/2003 tax cuts on Hornfans and Ghost was out there caping for George Allen!

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[Brisketexan 104465]

5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I am not going to dox any projects I have worked on.

I will say stormwater permitting has been drastically speeded(all related to EPA rulemaking/policy). Local governments are tasked with implementing EPA rules and regs.  So,  no it is not a local issue.

Specifically, a piece of zoned industrial property that had been farmed for 30 plus years couldn’t get a stormwater permit due to 1970’s satellite images that showed the “possible” prescence of wetlands.  That literally is a dark spot on a grainy satellite image from the 70’s.

 

Yes.  And I'm dealing with a dispute over massive flooding because a developer paved over hundreds of acres with no 404 permit (yep, there were real-deal wetlands) or SWPPP.  You'll be thrilled, the developer is pocketing tens of millions.  When you pave over that previously farmed property....what's going to happen to the stormwater that falls on that land now?  Where's it going?  What about the neighbors?  Developer makes a lotta money.

The people who live at the end of the floodwater outlet he's created....well, fuck them.  

Maybe....just maybe....and I know this is a shock...some of those regs actually exist for a reason.  "Regulations" isn't a bad word.  Well, I mean, it is if you're looking to make a mint with no repercussions.  But if you're a citizen who wants his property protected, you know, they can be actually -- what's the word I'm looking for -- oh yes, "important."

[Biff Tannen 45477]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Maybe....just maybe....and I know this is a shock...some of those regs actually exist for a reason.  "Regulations" isn't a bad word.  Well, I mean, it is if you're looking to make a mint with no repercussions.  But if you're a citizen who wants his property protected, you know, they can be actually -- what's the word I'm looking for -- oh yes, "important."

Sounds like a libruhl plot to me.

[Bozo_Casanova 26232]

Yes, because regulations that appropriately contain economic externalities actually make the market more efficient, and eliminating good regulations that help contain them makes markets less efficient, because they socialize the cost of commercial activity. 

What Incredulity is celebrating, in large part, is socialism. 

[Incredulity 11532]

19 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

You certainly have to admit that the tax relief as structured puts a big burden on future taxpayers and citizens and was designed in a way that provided maximum benefit to wealthy citizens with, to date, very little trickle down focused on citizens who need the relief the most.

I don't mind a preference for lower taxes and less regulation.  But to argue that it should be done in a way that hamstrings future taxpayers and creates safety and health concerns (EPA regs) down the line?

 

It’s a personal opinion, but there is a shitload of room from where we are and health concerns regarding regulation.  Specifically with the bueracratic rulesmaking arms of agencies like EPA.  That is not an argument for killing off the EPA.

 

 

[BradInATX 9208]

46 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I don’t support Trump and think he is an absolute clown.

 

 

Literally nobody here believes you when you say this. Not a single person. You know that, right?

Edited December 6, 2019 by BradInATX

[yoladu 4065]

1 hour ago, Thrawn said:

Are you calling American farmers lazy?

not sure if this has been discussed elsewhere...

https://theweek.com/speedreads/882689/michael-bloomberg-allwhite-democratic-debate-dont-complain-that-youre-not-race

Trump's farmer bailout is already more than twice as expensive as Obama's automaker bailout

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 At $28 billion so far, the farm rescue is more than twice as expensive as the 2009 bailout of Detroit's Big Three automakers, which cost taxpayers $12 billion.

why aren't fiscally conservative Republicans losing their minds over quotes like this from our President:

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"I sometimes see where these horrible dishonest reporters will say that 'Oh jeez, the farmers are upset.' Well, they can't be too upset, because I gave them $12 billion and I gave them $16 billion this year," Trump said in a phone-in to Illinois farmers in late August, adding, "I hope you like me even better than you did in '16."

wait.. are there fiscally conservative republicans anymore?

[Incredulity 11532]

 

1 minute ago, BradInATX said:

 

Nobody here believes you when you say this. You know that, right?

[BradInATX 9208]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

 

You absolutely care. If you didn't, you wouldn't spend so much time and energy trying to convince an entire forum full of people that think you're an absolute joke that you're a rational actor and not a rank-and-file Trump supporter. 

 

Edited December 6, 2019 by BradInATX

[Tuco 5076]

16 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

I like Warren.  I do.  But the idea of her beating Trump at his own game is not reassuring to me.  Being a "populist" is much worse than being a "socialist."  

[Incredulity 11532]

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yes.  And I'm dealing with a dispute over massive flooding because a developer paved over hundreds of acres with no 404 permit (yep, there were real-deal wetlands) or SWPPP.  You'll be thrilled, the developer is pocketing tens of millions.  When you pave over that previously farmed property....what's going to happen to the stormwater that falls on that land now?  Where's it going?  What about the neighbors?  Developer makes a lotta money.

The people who live at the end of the floodwater outlet he's created....well, fuck them.  

Maybe....just maybe....and I know this is a shock...some of those regs actually exist for a reason.  "Regulations" isn't a bad word.  Well, I mean, it is if you're looking to make a mint with no repercussions.  But if you're a citizen who wants his property protected, you know, they can be actually -- what's the word I'm looking for -- oh yes, "important."

Yes, we need regulations to hold bad actors accountable.  Not knowing anything beyond the brief description you have provided I would assume the developer and contractor would have some serious issues(including removal of improvements) to deal with.

[Hornius Emeritus 12403]

4 minutes ago, yoladu said:

"I sometimes see where these horrible dishonest reporters will say that 'Oh jeez, the farmers are upset.' Well, they can't be too upset, because I gave them $12 billion and I gave them $16 billion this year," Trump said in a phone-in to Illinois farmers in late August, adding, "I hope you like me even better than you did in '16."

 

 

Isn't it just crazy as hell?  Trump says that HE "gave"  these farmers money.  That's malarkey.  Because we're running trillion dollar deficits, he BORROWED the money from future generations of taxpayers to give to farmers today. He had to borrow that money because of the trade wars he voluntarily enacted ---- after saying, of course, that trade wars are easy to win.

Remember when Reagan used to decry "borrow and spend"  Democrats?  Seems like a long time ago. 

[mchookem 16095]

2 minutes ago, yoladu said:

not sure if this has been discussed elsewhere...

https://theweek.com/speedreads/882689/michael-bloomberg-allwhite-democratic-debate-dont-complain-that-youre-not-race

Trump's farmer bailout is already more than twice as expensive as Obama's automaker bailout

why aren't fiscally conservative Republicans losing their minds over quotes like this from our President:

wait.. are there fiscally conservative republicans anymore?

jfc

i am actually a real live independent, more of a moderate. until Hillary i had voted for the same number of Rs, Ds, and Ls for pres ...but i have definitely trended left as i've aged,  because fuck that stereotype (older=more conservative).

it's the HYPOCRISY that has killed the entire R party for me.  yeah, there are examples on both sides...but the GOP's entire approach to every issue is literally rampant with malignant hypocrisy. that i cannot abide. 

if you want to be a dick, just be a dick. but you don't get to throw a tantrum when the other guy decides to be a dick, too. 

 

[Incredulity 11532]

7 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

You absolutely care. If you didn't, you wouldn't spend so much time and energy trying to convince an entire forum full of people that think you're an absolute joke that you're a rational actor and not a rank-and-file Trump supporter. 

 

Obsession noted.

[Tuco 5076]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Yes, we need regulations to hold bad actors accountable.  Not knowing anything beyond the brief description you have provided I would assume the developer and contractor would have some serious issues(including removal of improvements) to deal with.

Without enforcement of regulations, it's impossible to distinguish a "bad actor" from anything else.  And the court system is a shitty ass remedy after the fact. 

 

[Guest Lobo]

11 minutes ago, yoladu said:

 

Trump's farmer bailout is already more than twice as expensive as Obama's automaker bailout

What about we kill two birds with one stone?  Instead of Cash for Clunkers, we do Corn for Cars, or Clunkers for Cattle?  

[DDD Dad 14167]

1 hour ago, Chrispy_ said:

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