The 2 pt conversion

[sushihorn 3233]

After being force fed a steady diet of QB power, Georgia decided they needed to play cover zero just to get enough bodies in the box to stop Sam.  That alignment leaves one defender to cover CJ to the single receiver side for an easy pitch and catch.  The nearest support may as well have been on the moon as far as his effect on the play went:

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That's what having Sam Ehlinger on your team does.  It forced one of the most talented teams in the nation with one of the most admired DC/HCs to distort his defense beyond recognition.

[Lemurian1 1]

Shades of WVU

 

 

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1606]

The secsecsec defense had to contort itself to try and imitate a BigXII defense and was thumped for the effort.

[taybo20 2815]

To be fair, alignment worked in our favor too. We had not shown 4 receivers to the field and 1 to the boundary spread out like that. And so close to the goal line it forced uga to spread out as well. It’s basically pick your poison and we have 3 options at the very least. Good play design but even better execution by Sam and CJ.

[Hornsfan863 14]

This, the onside kick, and the multiple times going for it on 4th down made me very happy. Liked seeing the aggressiveness for once

[SaucyJack 3487]

8 hours ago, Lemurian1 said:

Shades of WVU

 

 

Exactly.

[Huckleberry 32710]

Yeah the announcers were pretty stupid about the onside kick. I mean if we've practiced popup kickoffs in just that situation and think we can pin them inside the 10 that's one thing. But if your kicker can't do that then the cost benefit analysis on an onside kick in that position is absolutely in favor of trying it. You are taking a shot at stealing a possession with the downside being 10-15 yards of field position. Expected onside kicks are recovered at around a 20% clip while surprise onsides are actually over 50% (which means that they are way underutilized). So call this one somewhere around 35% probability of recovering.

Extremely easy and correct call to try the onside kick.

[NBMisha 224]

Was it on this site where an article on the HS coach was posted, who always onside kicked and always went on 4th, on the basis of the value of a possession?   A solid program, but as in all statistics indivisual instances will vary.  That particular situation had limited downside, as you point out, thus ideal. 

Anyway, glad to see Herman paying attention to that stuff, moving forward from his turtle tendencies.  If we could just do something about the 4Q fuckuperry.  At this point I'm jst bewildered.  It is so consistent it looks like a strategy.

[Billy Pilgrim 1913]

14 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Yeah the announcers were pretty stupid about the onside kick. I mean if we've practiced popup kickoffs in just that situation and think we can pin them inside the 10 that's one thing. But if your kicker can't do that then the cost benefit analysis on an onside kick in that position is absolutely in favor of trying it. You are taking a shot at stealing a possession with the downside being 10-15 yards of field position. Expected onside kicks are recovered at around a 20% clip while surprise onsides are actually over 50% (which means that they are way underutilized). So call this one somewhere around 35% probability of recovering.

Extremely easy and correct call to try the onside kick.

Agree completely. No one questioned Sean Payton when he did it in the super bowl and few years ago- they called him a genius. If you’re kicking off from the 50, it’s a worthwhile gamble.

[dcar00 14043]

you can try a pop up/pooch kick but a smart special team guy will just call for the fair catch and you get the ball at the 25 yd line now. its kind of made the pooch kickoff useless.  given that the penalty was 15 yards and we were kicking from the 50 I believe it was a good chance to take. for what would be 15 yards of field position

[BigOrange1 6422]

the same announcers would have been calling herman a genius had we recovered the onside.  they typically only look at the result and not the situation. 

[satyanash 14282]

Really liked us going for it on 4th down early and often. And it definitely helped that when we did have to punt, Bujcevski had an excellent game and was able to pin UGA inside the 20 multiple times (plus the rolling punt that ran the clock out at the end of the half).

[Machinator 32098]

2 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Really liked us going for it on 4th down early and often. And it definitely helped that when we did have to punt, Bujcevski had an excellent game and was able to pin UGA inside the 20 multiple times (plus the rolling punt that ran the clock out at the end of the half).

Bujcevski quietly had a great game, especially in contrast to UGA's freshman punter who fucked up multiple times.

[satyanash 14282]

Just now, Machinator said:

Bujcevski quietly had a great game, especially in contrast to UGA's freshman punter who fucked up multiple times.

Funnily enough heading into the game it was the exact opposite. Buj struggled with consistency all year while UGA's freshman punter was absolutely booming all of his kicks and looked like a machine.

[Laga4 1270]

Talking about coaching,  I thought stealing that timeout was very heads up also.

[Machinator 32098]

Just now, Laga4 said:

Talking about coaching,  I thought stealing that timeout was very heads up also.

Tom's been stealing timeouts for a while now. He caught Lincoln Riley with his pants down in both matchups this season.

[DaysOff 7855]

I was shocked to see the onside percentage success rate so high because with all the football I watch it's a unicorn.

[Huckleberry 32710]

10 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

you can try a pop up/pooch kick but a smart special team guy will just call for the fair catch and you get the ball at the 25 yd line now. its kind of made the pooch kickoff useless.  given that the penalty was 15 yards and we were kicking from the 50 I believe it was a good chance to take. for what would be 15 yards of field position

Ah, good point. Forgot about that, but of course as you note it only makes the onside kick more obviously the right call.

[NorthLoop 14120]

4 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Funnily enough heading into the game it was the exact opposite. Buj struggled with consistency all year while UGA's freshman punter was absolutely booming all of his kicks and looked like a machine.

Then he went out and got that stupid haircut. It was all downhill from there. 

[Slacks 6792]

6 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Tom's been stealing timeouts for a while now. He caught Lincoln Riley with his pants down in both matchups this season.

We got caught with our's down on one of the UGa TD plays... we weren't lined up at all.

[jimmyjazz 45605]

Someone explain the ins and outs of PI (defensive AND offensive) on that 2 pt conversion.  Did the officials miss anything?  Looked pretty hands-ey by both guys.

[Machinator 32098]

9 minutes ago, Snacks said:

We got caught with our's down on one of the UGa TD plays... we weren't lined up at all.

Yes, we should have called a timeout there.

[DaysOff 7855]

This crew let the kids play/ Cesar Cedeno.

[ButtFumble 5161]

32 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Really liked us going for it on 4th down early and often. And it definitely helped that when we did have to punt, Bujcevski had an excellent game and was able to pin UGA inside the 20 multiple times (plus the rolling punt that ran the clock out at the end of the half).

the one punt to end the half I liked how our players reacted that the one guy touched the ball what they thought was too soon (it was not), but it was clear the ball had a bit more roll in it and the players were thinking about the clock, but fortunately the clock ran out 

 

as for the kickoffs they might need to change the rule where a penalty against the receiving team is marched off from the 25 if a fair catch is called.....as it is now who cares if you kick off from the 50 because of penalties the receiving team can call for a fair catch and the penalty means nothing

[hpslugga 4050]

1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

Ah, good point. Forgot about that, but of course as you note it only makes the onside kick more obviously the right call.

Yeah, those announcers were complete jackasses in their ridiculous rendering of judgment on that call. You'll notice that Todd in specific said that Texas should have just booted it through the end zone. Even if you accept the premise that the onside kick was a bad call, booting it for the TB isn't the best option anyways. Wanna know what is, sans the onside? It's screaming it on the ground, aka the squib kick. The squib has a similar effect of a pooch kick in that it usually forces a player other than the returners to field the ball, but the receiving team can't fair catch it since it had previously hit the turf, so you still have a chance of pinning them behind (maybe even significantly so) the 25. Booming it through the end zone is a net 25 yard kick in that scenario. That's not a huge reward, and adding 15 yards to the receiving team's favor isn't a huge punishment either.

[Dnaguy 11780]

1 hour ago, Snacks said:

We got caught with our's down on one of the UGa TD plays... we weren't lined up at all.

We should have let them steal teh timeout 

[Dnaguy 11780]

12 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Yeah, those announcers were complete jackasses in their ridiculous rendering of judgment on that call. You'll notice that Todd in specific said that Texas should have just booted it through the end zone. Even if you accept the premise that the onside kick was a bad call, booting it for the TB isn't the best option anyways. Wanna know what is, sans the onside? It's screaming it on the ground, aka the squib kick. The squib has a similar effect of a pooch kick in that it usually forces a player other than the returners to field the ball, but the receiving team can't fair catch it since it had previously hit the turf, so you still have a chance of pinning them behind (maybe even significantly so) the 25. Booming it through the end zone is a net 25 yard kick in that scenario. That's not a huge reward, and adding 15 yards to the receiving team's favor isn't a huge punishment either.

The screaming kick directly at an upman needs to be practiced / utilized more in this situation.

My guess is that it may not be as easy to recover, but stands to be an easier play for a kciker to execute (kick it as hard as you can in a line drive). Also, the downside is that it misses and they still have to recover / return it.

[PencilPusher 454]

38 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Yeah, those announcers were complete jackasses in their ridiculous rendering of judgment on that call. You'll notice that Todd in specific said that Texas should have just booted it through the end zone. Even if you accept the premise that the onside kick was a bad call, booting it for the TB isn't the best option anyways. Wanna know what is, sans the onside? It's screaming it on the ground, aka the squib kick. The squib has a similar effect of a pooch kick in that it usually forces a player other than the returners to field the ball, but the receiving team can't fair catch it since it had previously hit the turf, so you still have a chance of pinning them behind (maybe even significantly so) the 25. Booming it through the end zone is a net 25 yard kick in that scenario. That's not a huge reward, and adding 15 yards to the receiving team's favor isn't a huge punishment either.

My father in law and wife were agreeing with the announcers and couldn't understand why we would do that. Other than explaining that it was a great way to steal a possession in a game which we were double digit underdogs, I literally walked up to the TV and pointed out the difference in yardage between the 25 and the 40 and that effectively we only gave up a first down by doing it and it quite frankly was pretty low risk/medium to high reward. Neither of them are big risk takers so they still didn't agree with me...thankfully Anthony Wheeler and PJ Locke rendered the discussion moot a few plays later.