Alabama Football - Now Featuring Kalen DeBoer

[Tex Pete 20179]

1 hour ago, Magus Ossis said:

None of the players on the upcoming 2019 Bama squad knows what it’s like to lose a second time in the same college football season. Saban might not be done just yet.

I’m not saying he’s done, but the lack of stability in the staff will make it harder and harder. Clemson has stability where Bama does not. It’s one reason dynasties eventually fall. 

[WBT 20422]

1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

You take a position contrary to the general consensus which is has a high probability. You don't back it with much in the way of sound logic. "they are going to be just fine" is not sound logic and please provide your  data on how well Bama moved the  ball in the Clemson game relative to the rest of their season.

This seems oddly beligirent.  You think there is general consensus that bama isn't going to be fine?  Clemson outgained them by 40 yards.

[markstanco 12509]

Until he loses coaches for lateral moves or voluntary demotions, it’s a whole lot of reading into nothing.

And now he is.

[mulletpelini 5209]

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

They just bogged down and had very questionable playcalling. 

Amazing answer considering the OP 

[LTtxfan 48979]

2 hours ago, sushihorn said:

Losing 2 out of 3 years to the same team and in such devastating fashion this year seems different than those other events.  Clemson didn't have a talent that only comes around every 40 years for a program when doing it.  They also dominated on both sides of the ball and made Bama look confused and desperate, not merely outplayed.  Clemson is certainly no anomaly this year.  Bama ain't over but they've got a genuine peer dynasty building and the foundation Dabo has built actually looks more sustainable than what Saban has put together in Tuscaloosa in many respects.

 

Yeah..... that team that showed up for Bama earlier this week vs Clemson didn't just lose, They Shit The Bed In All Three Phases.....

Will be interesting to see if Saban can get his 2019 Team to rise like a Phoenix from the ashes of that Clemson Beat Down.....

Edited January 12, 2019 by LTtxfan

[Wally Fairway 5524]

I know that I wish I could be pissed about not winning that 6th national title in the last 10-11 years, along with a couple of runner-ups.
Man I can only imagine what it must be like to have to deal with losing in that natty 2 out of 3 years, being in the playoffs every year and only having 2 additional trophies to show for it....man that really sucks.

[Magus Ossis 2784]

What none of us knows but is of paramount importance is how much Saban wants to keep winning. If he still has the fire, he has everything he needs at his disposal. He is not superhuman, but he understands football and running a team. The REC will keep him stocked with talent, and the AD will open the checkbook for any staff he needs. Like many who are highly successful at what they do, he is not inclined to make major changes to the processes the have led to that success. He has shown some ability to change, however. In the end, he is self-aware and capable enough to win if he desires. He has a better situation for winning before him than when he showed up.

[MrPhlegm 3413]

What do the Acc and Sec have in common?  
 
Hint; it’s an even number.  

Is it MULEDICK?

[MrPhlegm 3413]

Bama was different this year.  They had times of complete lapses - see Citadel 1st half. Saban basically raised the white flag early in championship game.
Biggest thing for me though was the player demeanor on the sideline during the game. Players seems to realize they had no answer to Clemson, but also an expression of don't care.
The staff turnover will have to start hitting recruiting in next couple years.  They will still dominate, but I do think they have reached and passed their pinnacle.

So you are saying Bama didn't want to be there in Santa Clarabell. That because they would have rather been in the Sugar Bowl they didn't care and didn't bring their a game.

Makes sense. Sec sec sec.

[MrPhlegm 3413]

This seems oddly beligirent.  You think there is general consensus that bama isn't going to be fine?  Clemson outgained them by 40 yards.

Loser stat

[Richard Kimball 1492]

9 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

What none of us knows but is of paramount importance is how much Saban wants to keep winning. If he still has the fire, he has everything he needs at his disposal. He is not superhuman, but he understands football and running a team. The REC will keep him stocked with talent, and the AD will open the checkbook for any staff he needs. Like many who are highly successful at what they do, he is not inclined to make major changes to the processes the have led to that success. He has shown some ability to change, however. In the end, he is self-aware and capable enough to win if he desires. He has a better situation for winning before him than when he showed up.

He's also 67, although he looks to be in good health. He could be a guy that coaches until he drops (Paterno, Bear Bryant) or he could be a Royal or Grant Teaff, who quits and lives for decades. They got their ass kicked in the title game, and a lot of people that wanted to see Bama get humbled are enjoying it. Curious as to what the future holds. Saban and Belichick have always been weird, in that they never seem to get happy about winning. They get pissed about losing, but after a championship, they just move on to next year. Saban won't hang around if they don't keep winning at a high level. 

[Wally Fairway 5524]

41 minutes ago, MrPhlegm said:

18 hours ago, SDG said:

What do the Acc and Sec have in common?  
 
Hint; it’s an even number.  

Is it MULEDICK?

Close

[Bama Llama 1447]

Only time will tell whether Monday night was a mutual watershed event like the 2010 BCS Rose Bowl.    Who could have seen that coming?  Texas was two Shipley catches away from tying up that game, whereas Bama was moidalized by Clemson.

Bama may bounce right back.  Or not.  It's taken until this season, but Texas is definitely back.  

Based on the last three games' seive defense and the exodus of coaches and players since, the Alabama mojo has taken a big hit.  Well, bad shit happens when you lose after being outplayed, outprepared and outcoached.  

We'll know about six or eight games into the fall if the downhill flow has been checked.  I'm just going to enjoy watching the pageantry and crazy bullshit of another season and not worry.  If Bama never wins another title with Nick, so be it.  I wouldn't bet against it.  

BTW, this is a fine board and you are all sick snd twisted little monkeys.

[Vic Mackey 46936]

14 minutes ago, Bama Llama said:

Only time will tell whether Monday night was a mutual watershed event like the 2010 BCS Rose Bowl.    Who could have seen that coming?  Texas was two Shipley catches away from tying up that game, whereas Bama was moidalized by Clemson.

Bama may bounce right back.  Or not.  It's taken until this season, but Texas is definitely back.  

Based on the last three games' seive defense and the exodus of coaches and players since, the Alabama mojo has taken a big hit.  Well, bad shit happens when you lose after being outplayed, outprepared and outcoached.  

We'll know about six or eight games into the fall if the downhill flow has been checked.  I'm just going to enjoy watching the pageantry and crazy bullshit of another season and not worry.  If Bama never wins another title with Nick, so be it.  I wouldn't bet against it.  

BTW, this is a fine board and you are all sick snd twisted little monkeys.

Blowouts happen in sports. Even to the top teams. It has just never really happened to Bama under Saban so everyone loses their mind when it does happen. The difference in college football, is you don't get many mulligans and every loss is magnified. Unlike the NFL, you can get blown out and move on the next week like nothing. Patriots were dominated a few times this year and they are still a 2 seed. This reminds me of back in 2014, the Pats were blown out by the Chiefs on MNF. And the narrative was that they were done. The dynasty was over. But then they went on to win 2 Super Bowls in 3 years. And another appearance last year. Bama is pretty much like the Pats. They won't win every season but they are going to be fine next season. And most likely back in the playoffs.

[sushihorn 3233]

NFL has parity by design on many levels.  College football is totally the opposite.

[LTtxfan 48979]

1 hour ago, Richard Kimball said:

Saban and Belichick have always been weird, in that they never seem to get happy about winning. They get pissed about losing, but after a championship, they just move on to next year. Saban won't hang around if they don't keep winning at a high level. 

Watching Saban and Bama this season was different.  The pass defense was no where near Bama's standard.  Their offense seemed to pass more on 3rd downs than prior years which exposed Tua to more hits.  Saw a clip on ESPN where analyst made a funny comment that next year Bama's OL#73 is moving to DB because he was so good at backpedaling.

No doubt Saban might be able to get this Bama team to come back with a vengeance during 2019 season and win another Naty.  But Bama's Staff just got whipped by Clemson's Staff Monday.  After Clemson's 44-16 Beat Down, other SEC Teams probably fear Bama less.  Florida, Georgia, and LSU should all be better in 2019 so things aren't getting easier for Saban or Bama next year.

Edited January 12, 2019 by LTtxfan

[Surlybastard 65]

16 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

Outliers happen. And let's not act like Bama didn't move the ball. They did. They just bogged down and had very questionable playcalling. They are going to be just fine. 

I wouldn't count Bama out as long as Saban is there and getting top 5 recruiting classes every year but I think from here on out its going to be harder. That game was the first real crack in the armor we've seen since he got the program rolling in 09. Plus now he has 6 rings and is closing in on 70. So he's just not going to bring the same fire and will to win every day that he has for the last 10 years. That all trickles down and will probably result in one year where they lose a couple games by 20+ points and Saban hears the rumblings from the fans and says fuck it and retires. Could be next year, could be 5 years from now but I bet he already mentally has one foot out the door. The rest of the sec just has to improve enough to push him through.

[Lone Star Horn 2010]

4 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Watching Saban and Bama this season was different.  The pass defense was no where near Bama's standard.  Their offense seemed to pass more on 3rd downs than prior years which exposed Tua to more hits.  Saw a clip on ESPN where analyst made a funny comment that next year Bama's OL#73 is moving to DB because he was so good at backpedaling.

No doubt Saban might be able to get this Bama team to come back with a vengeance during 2019 season and win another Naty.  But Bama's Staff just got whipped by Clemson's Staff Monday.  After Clemson's 44-16 Beat Down, other SEC Teams probably fear Bama less.  Florida, Georgia, and LSU should all be better in 2019 so things aren't getting easier for Saban or Bama next year.

aggy beat LSU, why dont u have aggy in that list, aggy is bestest and haz jimbo, (already haz trophy with date ready to be added)

/aggy sad

[MrPhlegm 3413]

He's also 67, although he looks to be in good health. He could be a guy that coaches until he drops (Paterno, Bear Bryant) or he could be a Royal or Grant Teaff, who quits and lives for decades. They got their ass kicked in the title game, and a lot of people that wanted to see Bama get humbled are enjoying it. Curious as to what the future holds. Saban and Belichick have always been weird, in that they never seem to get happy about winning. They get pissed about losing, but after a championship, they just move on to next year. Saban won't hang around if they don't keep winning at a high level. 

Royal DID NOT QUIT YOU GOATFUCKING COCKSUCKING SACK OF SHIT.

[Richard Kimball 1492]

29 minutes ago, MrPhlegm said:

Royal DID NOT QUIT YOU GOATFUCKING COCKSUCKING SACK OF SHIT.
 

I don't know about the rest of you, but I felt a lot of love in Phlegm's post.

[LTtxfan 48979]

 

[Surlybastard 65]

48 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

 

Makes me wonder if Sark was told he could be the heir apparent there if he came back as oc.

[Tex Pete 20179]

3 minutes ago, Surlybastard said:

Makes me wonder if Sark was told he could be the heir apparent there if he came back as oc.

Not a chance. 

[LTtxfan 48979]

13 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

 

 

Responses to Russini Tweet:

While it's not yet clear what position Sarkisian would be taking at Alabama, Aaron Suttles of The Athletic doesn't believe he'll be the offensive coordinator again:

So...while Sark is a possible addition to Bama coaching staff..... Sark may not end up as the offensive coordinator

Edited January 13, 2019 by LTtxfan

[Scooter Monzingo 820]

15 hours ago, MrPhlegm said:

Royal DID NOT QUIT YOU GOATFUCKING COCKSUCKING SACK OF SHIT.
 

Actually he did. It was very well documented in Jan Reid’s interview with Royal published 12/01/82 in TexasMonthly. It is in his own words, and he is very specific as to why he choose to call it quits at that time, even with a returning, and then healthy Earl. And where he was when he finally decided to to call it quits (Lubbock, in his hotel room). 

[EastTexan 662]

This Coach Royal talk gives me the sads.

[LTtxfan 48979]

Another possible Saban hire??

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/report-notre-dame-offensive-coordinator-chip-long-speaking-with-alabama-about-job/

[NowThis 931]

Saban was the Houston Oilers DB coach for 1988 and 1989. No wonder those DBs like Bubba McDowell were so good. 

[LTtxfan 48979]

22 minutes ago, NowThis said:

Saban was the Houston Oilers DB coach for 1988 and 1989. No wonder those DBs like Bubba McDowell were so good. 

Yeah during Bama practices, Saban works with DBs quite a bit.....

[G650 14107]

On 1/11/2019 at 10:32 PM, sushihorn said:

the foundation Dabo has built actually looks more sustainable than what Saban has put together in Tuscaloosa in many respects.

Do what. Bama has been doing this since 2009. There's no way you can project what Clemson will be doing 7 years from now, given no other team has come remotely close to a 10 year run like Saban has had.

[G650 14107]

On 1/12/2019 at 3:48 PM, Surlybastard said:

That game was the first real crack in the armor we've seen since he got the program rolling in 09.

They lost 3 games in 2010 and finish 4th not in the SEC, but in their division.

[sushihorn 3233]

1 hour ago, G650 said:

Do what. Bama has been doing this since 2009. There's no way you can project what Clemson will be doing 7 years from now, given no other team has come remotely close to a 10 year run like Saban has had.

The past isn't that relevant because things have changed in Tuscaloosa.  Clemson's model today looks more sustainable than current Bama.  As a matter of fact, this Clemson program looks much more like Saban's most dominant period than Alabama does now.  Saban had tremendous continuity on his staff for years; he now has huge staff turnover constantly.  Kirby was with him for 8-9 years.  Since then, it's 2 new guys in 3 years.  Kiffin was with him for 3 years.  Seems like a new OC every year now.  The staff continuity is all on Dabo's side.

Saban used to have very little serious competition for the top players in the SEC, which allowed him to dominate opponents on the talent front and give him a good chance to go undefeated in conference play.  That hasn't been true since Kirby took over in Athens.  He ended Saban's decade streak of #1 classes in a big way this year - pushing Bama down to #5.  Saban is back at #1 for 2019 but Georgia is now bringing in comparable talent, threatening Bama's recruiting dominance while LSU hangs out a half step lower.  Dabo has dominant talent in his conference now.  His classes are usually smaller so FSU looks close but with lower average talent and more signees.

[G650 14107]

29 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

The past isn't that relevant because things have changed in Tuscaloosa.  Clemson's model today looks more sustainable than current Bama.  As a matter of fact, this Clemson program looks much more like Saban's most dominant period than Alabama does now.  Saban had tremendous continuity on his staff for years; he now has huge staff turnover constantly.  Kirby was with him for 8-9 years.  Since then, it's 2 new guys in 3 years.  Kiffin was with him for 3 years.  Seems like a new OC every year now.  The staff continuity is all on Dabo's side.

Saban used to have very little serious competition for the top players in the SEC, which allowed him to dominate opponents on the talent front and give him a good chance to go undefeated in conference play.  That hasn't been true since Kirby took over in Athens.  He ended Saban's decade streak of #1 classes in a big way this year - pushing Bama down to #5.  Saban is back at #1 for 2019 but Georgia is now bringing in comparable talent, threatening Bama's recruiting dominance while LSU hangs out a half step lower.  Dabo has dominant talent in his conference now.  His classes are usually smaller so FSU looks close but with lower average talent and more signees.

You are misinterpreting what I'm saying. I have no idea what Alabama is going to so from here on out. I'm saying the chances of Clemson having a ten year run like Alabama has just had is slim to none.

[sushihorn 3233]

2 minutes ago, G650 said:

You are misinterpreting what I'm saying. I have no idea what Alabama is going to so from here on out. I'm saying the chances of Clemson having a ten year run like Alabama has just had is slim to none.

And you're missing the point that the 10 year run is irrelevant because it was accomplished under very different conditions.

Today's Clemson program looks more sustainable than TODAY'S Alabama program to me and I gave you the reasons why I think that.  Feel free to refute them.

[G650 14107]

Lol

[Beau Vine 54003]

On 1/12/2019 at 10:00 PM, Surlybastard said:

Makes me wonder if Sark was told he could be the heir apparent there if he came back as oc.

[Surlybastard 65]

1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

Is it wrong to hope? 

[BrazilHorn 6576]

On 1/12/2019 at 10:05 AM, Bama Llama said:

Only time will tell whether Monday night was a mutual watershed event like the 2010 BCS Rose Bowl.    Who could have seen that coming?  Texas was two Shipley catches away from tying up that game, whereas Bama was moidalized by Clemson.

Bama may bounce right back.  Or not.  It's taken until this season, but Texas is definitely back.  

Based on the last three games' seive defense and the exodus of coaches and players since, the Alabama mojo has taken a big hit.  Well, bad shit happens when you lose after being outplayed, outprepared and outcoached.  

We'll know about six or eight games into the fall if the downhill flow has been checked.  I'm just going to enjoy watching the pageantry and crazy bullshit of another season and not worry.  If Bama never wins another title with Nick, so be it.  I wouldn't bet against it.  

BTW, this is a fine board and you are all sick snd twisted little monkeys.

I don’t know that I agree Texas is back. Recruiting is as uncertain as ever with significant misses on DL/OL and regular hard recruiting battles vs Bama just reload etc. 

i think coaching staff is still weak (Meh/Ware) and that while Texas gets up for big games, consecutive losses to Maryland still indicate potential issues. 

The Georgia win is great and I hope that it is a great springboard to being back but I’m not sure Texas truly is yet. 

[LTtxfan 48979]

7 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

 

[Tex Pete 20179]

4 minutes ago, BrazilHorn said:

I don’t know that I agree Texas is back. Recruiting is as uncertain as ever

No, it isn't.

[LTtxfan 48979]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25755578/alabama-coaching-departures-nick-saban-seeking-answers

Interesting info on Enos:  "If you're looking for a silver lining in Enos' departure, it's this: For as well-regarded a playcaller and developer of talent that he is, he has never run the style of offense Locksley did. And fitting a pro-style playcaller with a spread call sheet -- as we saw with Brian Daboll a year earlier -- can have its issues. Wherever Saban goes next for his offensive coordinator, he would do well to look for someone adept at using multiple receivers and the run-pass option game." 

[sushihorn 3233]

 

30 minutes ago, BrazilHorn said:

I don’t know that I agree Texas is back. Recruiting is as uncertain as ever with significant misses on DL/OL and regular hard recruiting battles vs Bama just reload etc. 

i think coaching staff is still weak (Meh/Ware) and that while Texas gets up for big games, consecutive losses to Maryland still indicate potential issues.

Look at the 2018 class.  Herman was able to RS both QBs, all the OL and (I think) 2 DL.  The true frosh DL that played in the Sugar made some solid contributions.  Ossai was a monster.  Coburn was more than solid.  Ojomo got some quality snaps to spell the big guys inside.  Outside the lines, freshmen made big marks at RB and DB.  2017 class produced a number of good players despite the unusually low ranking and small class size (17).  That gave us Sam, Cosmi, Kerstetter, Ta'Quon Graham, Gary Johnson and Josh Thompson as well as Brewer and Leitao - one of which will likely start at TE next year.  Pretty good hit rate (40%) from class that wasn't ranked high.  Talent identification, recruiting and development are not really on my list of concerns.

The staff embarrassed a solid UGa staff that had more talent to work with.  The same could be said for OU also.  It would be difficult for me to call that a weak staff.

Edited January 14, 2019 by sushihorn

[BrazilHorn 6576]

20 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

 

Look at the 2018 class.  Herman was able to RS both QBs, all the OL and (I think) 2 DL.  The true frosh DL that played in the Sugar made some solid contributions.  Ossai was a monster.  Coburn was more than solid.  Ojomo got some quality snaps to spell the big guys inside.  Outside the lines, freshmen made big marks at RB and DB.  2017 class produced a number of good players despite the unusually low ranking and small class size (17).  That gave us Sam, Cosmi, Kerstetter, Ta'Quon Graham, Gary Johnson and Josh Thompson as well as Brewer and Leitao - one of which will likely start at TE next year.  Pretty good hit rate (40%) from class that wasn't ranked high.  Talent identification, recruiting and development are not really on my list of concerns.

The staff embarrassed a solid UGa staff that had more talent to work with.  The same could be said for OU also.  It would be difficult for me to call that a weak staff.

I guess I’m looking at losses at major RB recruits, losses at OL\DL. Leitao hasn’t shown anything to date (hope he does). 

I’m just saying Texas isn’t at what I would call “back” level yet. Also I think the Texas staff has a lot of “minus” recruiters to make up for. Also losing to WVU,OSU lots of 4th qtr collapses isn’t “back”

moving in right direction I just think people are potentially over-stating where Texas is today. 

[Tex Pete 20179]

12 minutes ago, BrazilHorn said:

I guess I’m looking at losses at major RB recruits, losses at OL\DL. Leitao hasn’t shown anything to date (hope he does). 

I’m just saying Texas isn’t at what I would call “back” level yet. Also I think the Texas staff has a lot of “minus” recruiters to make up for. Also losing to WVU,OSU lots of 4th qtr collapses isn’t “back”

moving in right direction I just think people are potentially over-stating where Texas is today. 

Not sure what you've been reading. I haven't see too many people pounding their chests about where we are and that we're going to win the NC in 2019.

I'd say we are a solid top 15 team right now, with an opportunity to become a solid top 10 or even top 5 team this year. Our recruiting has been good but still with room to improve moving forward. Our toughness has greatly increased since the boys whimpered off the field in Lawrence in 2016.

Where we are reminds me of maybe 2002 under Mack. We've moved ourselves into the neighborhood again, now it's time to take the next step. I wouldn't go so far as to say "We're back!," but it's nice to have a QB who is a leader of men and who has confidence in himself and his teammates. That's the culture that Herman has been trying to build, and it seems like a pretty strong foundation to me.

[BrazilHorn 6576]

1 minute ago, Tex Pete said:

Not sure what you've been reading. I haven't see too many people pounding their chests about where we are and that we're going to win the NC in 2019.

I'd say we are a solid top 15 team right now, with an opportunity to become a solid top 10 or even top 5 team this year. Our recruiting has been good but still with room to improve moving forward. Our toughness has greatly increased since the boys whimpered off the field in Lawrence in 2016.

Where we are reminds me of maybe 2002 under Mack. We've moved ourselves into the neighborhood again, now it's time to take the next step. I wouldn't go so far as to say "We're back!," but it's nice to have a QB who is a leader of men and who has confidence in himself and his teammates. That's the culture that Herman has been trying to build, and it seems like a pretty strong foundation to me.

We are in violent agreement that there’s a solid foundation and that team is moving in right direction. Get to 10+ wins 2 yrs in a row, best LSU and OU this upcoming season and win NY6 bowl I think team can say they’re back. 

[sushihorn 3233]

I think it boils down to semantics.  If being "back" means relevant nationally, Texas is probably there now.  If it means consistently elite, this year was borderline so a couple more NY6 bowl wins or a CFP invite would be needed before you can state that confidently.

[LTtxfan 48979]

Bama fans holding out hoping that Sark wasn't hired by Saban in the OC role for Bama. 

Also Butch Jones going to Maryland is not a done deal yet.....

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/report-butch-jones-hasnt-officially-left-the-alabama-staff-yet/

 

[LTtxfan 48979]

Bama up to 7 Early Entries to 2019 NFL Draft:

DL    Quinnen Williams

OL.    Jonah Williams

RB.     Josh Jacobs

TE.      Irv Smith Jr

DB.      Savion Smith

S.         Deionte Thompson

LB.       Mack Wilson

 

Edited January 14, 2019 by LTtxfan

[LTtxfan 48979]

Tim Prister, senior editor of Irish Illustrated, reported yesterday Chip Long will not be going to Alabama.

 

[LTtxfan 48979]

 

Sure seems like Saban is a SOB to work for....

Hope it finally catches up to him and.....

BAMA & SEC BOTH SUCK

 

Edited January 17, 2019 by LTtxfan