Joe Burrow v. Sam Ehlinger

[PilotsError 2342]

Well he got proper coaching and reached his potential.  That's obvious, no?

[ChiTownDoc 21363]

7 hours ago, Tex Pete said:

Man was I wrong! Burrow in Brady’s offense is on another level. Burrow is incredibly accurate. Far more accurate than Sam will ever be. They are probably equally competitive, but Burrow’s skills are just better than Sam’s. 

Same lol.  Burrow had his foot up my ass on that one. 

[bigcigar 1224]

On 12/29/2019 at 6:36 PM, trza-hawk said:

The LSU Offensive Line won the Joe Moore award for the best line in the country, and when the defense gets one guy past them Burrow has just enough of the scrambling and escape ability to make the other team pay with big gains on plays where the right defense was called. These kinds of "broken play" situations just kill the spirit of the opposing defense. When he scrambles and his wide receivers break their routes and do the scramble drill they just always seem to get open just enough. It happened against the best defenses he has faced all year.

Fatball

[gecko 1104]

Well he got proper coaching and reached his potential.  That's obvious, no?

Yeah....my comment was more appropriate to a “Joe Burrow-only” thread as opposed to a comparison to Sam.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 hour ago, gecko said:

Burrow had a phenomenal year. Emphasis on the word “year”

Are you saying it’s a flash in the pan type thing? 

[hpslugga 4097]

On 12/29/2019 at 11:42 AM, Jkwellborn said:

He’s not making them dive, go to the ground or stop to catch the ball.

That's what's driven me nuts about Sam since he started playing. I've lost count of how many should-have-been long TD's he's hit due to the WR having to make a tough catch and forgoing additional yardage in order to (necessarily) do so, or just flat out missing an open guy. It's the exact opposite problem of the GDGD era: had QB's that could hit guys in stride, but they'd always be blanketed because GD basically telegraphed their fucking routes all the time.

[Nivek 17446]

At least he'll go play for the Bengals next season and we won't have to play him again. 
Ehlinger is a good place holder QB but we need one of Herman's recruits to be big time NFL level legit. 

Sam has numerous records here, he is hardly a place holder like Case/Ash.

[Junior Miller 1502]

Placeholder in the sense he's not a title winning or contending level QB. He's more a David Ash who can stay healthy not a Vince or Colt. We need one of Herman's QB recruits to be title challenger level. 

[Jkwellborn 7090]

That's what's driven me nuts about Sam since he started playing. I've lost count of how many should-have-been long TD's he's hit due to the WR having to make a tough catch and forgoing additional yardage in order to (necessarily) do so, or just flat out missing an open guy. It's the exact opposite problem of the GDGD era: had QB's that could hit guys in stride, but they'd always be blanketed because GD basically telegraphed their fucking routes all the time.

I mentioned the same thing a while back with regard to his accuracy. Guys trotted out his completion percentage as proof that he was accurate.

[Nivek 17446]

Placeholder in the sense he's not a title winning or contending level QB. He's more a David Ash who can stay healthy not a Vince or Colt. We need one of Herman's QB recruits to be title challenger level. 

Colt got us to a title game and earned it for another hear least stupid bcs/conference rules, bad officiating, and injuries all coming together for 2008.

Sam is plenty good enough. Talent around him is suspect in spite of what our fans like to think.

[hpslugga 4097]

3 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:

I mentioned the same thing a while back with regard to his accuracy. Guys trotted out his completion percentage as proof that he was accurate.

I mean there's a lot that goes into completion percentage. Yes, one of them is "have a guy that can get the ball there." But you also need guys who get in the right place, guys who can catch the ball, OL who can ward off DL from knocking shit down at the line, not having to play a hell of a lot of NFL-bound DB's, having a play caller that keeps the D honest enough to where they can't pin their ears and run to spots instead of having to rely on their athleticism to keep up with WR's, etc. Sam could have a better % than Colt and I'd still be saying the same thing you are, and for that exact reason. 

[Fondren & Main 6917]

Colt is still the completion percentage king!  Burrow fell to 76.3% last night.

[bigcigar 1224]

On 12/31/2019 at 11:48 AM, Junior Miller said:

Placeholder in the sense he's not a title winning or contending level QB. He's more a David Ash who can stay healthy not a Vince or Colt. We need one of Herman's QB recruits to be title challenger level. 

You do such a great job of impersonating your name sake

[pacman 7539]

welp, burrow's season was enhanced by his coach's offensive scheme and ehlinger's season was hurt by his coach's offensive scheme.

 

score this one for burrow sushi, sorry

[Asithappens 978]

Both are good qbs. Burrow obviously had the better year.

But Sam may be a sleeper. He's been solid, sometimes rock solid, other times not as much. But who knows what he may do at the next level with good guidance?

Sam's been good, if not great, for Texas. 

Thank you for your service, Sam.

[Native Horn 3583]

So you know he has one year left here, right?

[Tex Pete 21557]

Again, my hat's off to Joe Burrow. He elevated his game big time this year in an offense that suited him perfectly. LSU was unstoppable. It was something to watch.

[Junior Miller 1502]

42 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

Both are good qbs. Burrow obviously had the better year.

But Sam may be a sleeper. He's been solid, sometimes rock solid, other times not as much. But who knows what he may do at the next level with good guidance?

Sam's been good, if not great, for Texas. 

Thank you for your service, Sam.

Burrow's a #1 overall pick QB. Sam's a lucky to get a shot as an UFA. Massive gulf in talent between them. 

Sam's a good soldier but we need a first round pick QB. Right now this coming weekend is a game between the only two active Big 12 QBs with any NFL playoff wins - Tannehill and Mahomes both have 2. That's disgustingly sad for a big 12 state that puts out NFL QBs like crazy. 

[Wally Pryor 5416]

54 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

Both are good qbs. Burrow obviously had the better year.

But Sam may be a sleeper. He's been solid, sometimes rock solid, other times not as much. But who knows what he may do at the next level with good guidance?

Sam's been good, if not great, for Texas. 

Thank you for your service, Sam.

Ehlinger is a good QB.  Burrow is a great QB.

 

[Vic Mackey 48063]

1 hour ago, Asithappens said:

Both are good qbs. Burrow obviously had the better year.

But Sam may be a sleeper. He's been solid, sometimes rock solid, other times not as much. But who knows what he may do at the next level with good guidance?

Sam's been good, if not great, for Texas. 

Thank you for your service, Sam.

Sam has been good for Texas, not great. Maybe he's great compared to what else we have had this decade but that does not make him great. Great was VY and Colt.

[Eskimohorn 5684]

Joe Burrow vs Roger Staubach

I’m impressed with LSU’s offense. The system, their pass protection, their skill players. Burrow was very decisive and his dropping dimes along the sideline was impressive.

The question I have is this: Is Joe Burrow the #1 pick if he played for Vanderbilt? He will not enjoy a schematic or talent advantage in Cincy.

And against Pittsburgh, you bail the pocket consistently you will get killed. Not there anymore, but James Harrison was a major factor in sidetracking both Colt and Vince Young’s careers. That division is no joke.

[Gut Wagon 8219]

I wish Sam was our biggest handicap these days. But we're noticeably worse at most other positions than at QB.

[MrPhlegm 3413]

Joe Burrow vs Roger Staubach

I’m impressed with LSU’s offense. The system, their pass protection, their skill players. Burrow was very decisive and his dropping dimes along the sideline was impressive.

The question I have is this: Is Joe Burrow the #1 pick if he played for Vanderbilt? He will not enjoy a schematic or talent advantage in Cincy.

And against Pittsburgh, you bail the pocket consistently you will get killed. Not there anymore, but James Harrison was a major factor in sidetracking both Colt and Vince Young’s careers. That division is no joke.

we beat Staubach.

['stache 22166]

I don't watch a ton of college games outside of my own team, but I watched most of LSU in the playoff games, and god damned Burrow looked to me as one of the best QBs of all time. Maybe it was an incredible hot streak, but geez, he showed zero weakness. Is he a sure first overall pick?  

[Junior Miller 1502]

Yes #1 pick. No question. 

Whether the horrible management of Cincy kills his career is the question. 

[Armybrat 41512]

7 minutes ago, MrPhlegm said:

10 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

Joe Burrow vs Roger Staubach

I’m impressed with LSU’s offense. The system, their pass protection, their skill players. Burrow was very decisive and his dropping dimes along the sideline was impressive.

The question I have is this: Is Joe Burrow the #1 pick if he played for Vanderbilt? He will not enjoy a schematic or talent advantage in Cincy.

And against Pittsburgh, you bail the pocket consistently you will get killed. Not there anymore, but James Harrison was a major factor in sidetracking both Colt and Vince Young’s careers. That division is no joke.

Read more  

we beat Staubach.

Yep, postgame he said he had never been knocked on his butt that much before (courtesy of Tommy Nobis, Scott Appleton,, et al.).

Edited January 14, 2020 by Armybrat

[Junior Miller 1502]

The one thing I would do if I was Cincinnati is pay whatever it takes to get Brady out of LSU and keep him with Burrow. He got that kid to be extremely accurate and show a level that he had never come close to showing before. If you're going to make him the number one pick it's worth whatever it costs to get Brady to come along as well

[Tex Pete 21557]

36 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I don't watch a ton of college games outside of my own team, but I watched most of LSU in the playoff games, and god damned Burrow looked to me as one of the best QBs of all time. Maybe it was an incredible hot streak, but geez, he showed zero weakness. Is he a sure first overall pick?  

I think so.

I also think it was lightning in a bottle for LSU. Scheme, QB, and offensive teammates. Everything came together at the right time for them. I'm envious, but I doubt the new starter next year will be able to replicate what Burrow did at the same level Burrow did it. I could certainly be wrong.

[Mitch Cumsteen 19007]

24 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

I'm envious, but I doubt the new starter next year will be able to replicate what Burrow did at the same level Burrow did it. I could certainly be wrong.

I said the exact same thing when Baker Mayfield left OU. 

But Burrow.... man, he was unbelievable. I've never seen a guy improve that much from one year to the next. He made every read, was uncanny with his accuracy especially on long throws, he avoided pressure and kept plays alive with his feet, and he probably had the two biggest plays of the game on QB draws. Kid is a baller. Credit to him and the LSU staff. What an amazing job. What a great team. Glad we don't have to see his ass again next year in Baton Rouge.

[futureman 22745]

2 hours ago, Asithappens said:

Burrow obviously had the better year.

debatable.  

[Dnaguy 12740]

27 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

I said the exact same thing when Baker Mayfield left OU. 

But Burrow.... man, he was unbelievable. I've never seen a guy improve that much from one year to the next. He made every read, was uncanny with his accuracy especially on long throws, he avoided pressure and kept plays alive with his feet, and he probably had the two biggest plays of the game on QB draws. Kid is a baller. Credit to him and the LSU staff. What an amazing job. What a great team. Glad we don't have to see his ass again next year in Baton Rouge.

How many starters return next year?

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

1 hour ago, Dnaguy said:

How many starters return next year?

on paper, 8 offense, 7 defense.

on defense, Divinity, Lawrence and Fulton are seniors.  Fehoko was a part-time starter, so we'll add him, too.  Delpit will definitely declare...50/50 for Phillips and Queen.  my gut says Chaisson may very well return. 

offense, Burrow and both guards (Magee and Lewis).  Jefferson will declare, and probably CEH.  i think the rest of our OL sticks around.

Edited January 14, 2020 by Kyrie Eleison

[NowThis 931]

2 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

on paper, 8 offense, 8 defense.

on defense, Divinity, Lawrence and Fehoko are seniors.  Fehoko was a part-time starter, but we'll add him anyway.  Delpit will definitely declare...50/50 for Phillips and Queen.  my gut says Chaisson may very well return. 

offense, Burrow and both guards (Magee and Lewis).  Jefferson will declare, and probably CEH.  i think the rest of our OL sticks around.

your RB , who was only a 3* Rivals is probably gone.  Jefferson was only a 2*, the lowest guy on the 2017 class, and look at him now.  What about JR Moss?

[NowThis 931]

2 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

I said the exact same thing when Baker Mayfield left OU. 

But Burrow.... man, he was unbelievable. I've never seen a guy improve that much from one year to the next. He made every read, was uncanny with his accuracy especially on long throws, he avoided pressure and kept plays alive with his feet, and he probably had the two biggest plays of the game on QB draws. Kid is a baller. Credit to him and the LSU staff. What an amazing job. What a great team. Glad we don't have to see his ass again next year in Baton Rouge.

that 3rd and 17 is forgivable. Texas went up against one of the best qbs of all time.

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

Just now, NowThis said:

your RB , who was only a 3* Rivals is probably gone.  Jefferson was only a 2*, the lowest guy on the 2017 class, and look at him now.  What about JR Moss?

i named both of them...CEH is the running back.  

Moss is hard to say; he sat out under the old transfer rules two years ago and missed last year due to injury.  this was his only full collegiate season...much like Chaisson.  so who knows...wouldn't be surprised either way.

i'd like him to stay obviously...especially to help out incoming frosh Arik Gilbert.

[Tex Pete 21557]

9 minutes ago, NowThis said:

that 3rd and 17 is forgivable. Texas went up against one of the best qbs of all time.

Nah. Absolutely not. And would not have happened but for Todd "3rd and" Orlando.

[Goo Punch 4276]

On 12/28/2019 at 7:19 PM, Surly Bevo said:

Sushihorn, the king of superior sounding intellectual thoughts and posts that end up being completely fucking wrong for over a decade now.  You see that guy post something don't get sucked in by all the bullshit intellectual shit...run like hell. Not because he's a bad guy or anything, he means well...he's just ALWAYS fucking wrong.  

cracks me up how many OP's he has with 80 pos reps and everyone eating it all up, only for the thread to be bumped a year later to see that OP was...not right. 

[Tex Pete 21557]

5 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

cracks me up how many OP's he has with 80 pos reps and everyone eating it all up, only for the thread to be bumped a year later to see that OP was...not right. 

I think sushihorn (wherever he is) is generally a good poster. At least he puts his opinions out there and sticks with them.

[Goo Punch 4276]

Just now, Tex Pete said:

I think sushihorn (wherever he is) is generally a good poster. At least he puts his opinions out there and sticks with them.

and i, more than most here, can appreciate that. it's still funny. 

[dcar00 15031]

5 hours ago, Tex Pete said:

Again, my hat's off to Joe Burrow. He elevated his game big time this year in an offense that suited him perfectly. LSU was unstoppable. It was something to watch.

its crazy, we were one turnover or punt from beating those guys.

[Zavala 1384]

5 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

its crazy, we were one turnover or punt from beating those guys.

Or 4th down catch at the beginning.......

[crash_davis 23470]

3 hours ago, futureman said:

debatable.  

This is one of your jokes, right?

[futureman 22745]

1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

This is one of your jokes, right?

not your finest moment. 

[gsoda3 3364]

2 hours ago, dcar00 said:

its crazy, we were one turnover or punt from beating those guys.

and a quarter second away from sacking burrow on 3rd and 17.

[USNALonghorn 5220]

3 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

cracks me up how many OP's he has with 80 pos reps and everyone eating it all up, only for the thread to be bumped a year later to see that OP was...not right. 

He's had an off year, but generally his content is pretty good. I think a lot of us have had an off year. I certainly didn't expect 7-5.

[gmr548 16704]

3 hours ago, NowThis said:

that 3rd and 17 is forgivable.

No the fuck it is not.

[Alien Octopus 668]

Dropped pass in end zone was not forgive-able either 

[Tailgate 3084]

Day v. Night

[Helobious 9841]

3 hours ago, dcar00 said:

its crazy, we were one turnover or punt from beating those guys.

I do wonder if the game would be as close if we played them again. I think LSU really hit their stride later as the year went on and became unstoppable. 

[futureman 22745]

10 minutes ago, Helobious said:

I do wonder if the game would be as close if we played them again. 

I don’t.