Dallas Cowboys 2019 Offseason Thread of Mediocrity

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

So.... looks like the plan is to extend Dak this offseason (still will be cheap this season) and then sign Zeke next offseason to some huge deal.  Also trying to get the DLaw contract done.  I think by offseason 2020, we'll be cap strapped again if I'm reading the leaves right.

Starting to feel like it's NFC Championship or Red's gone.  I think it'll be challenging just to repeat as division winner with the schedule.

They also want Sean lee back (probably at a lower salary) and to re-sign Beasley.  No surprise there.  Played coy on Earl Thomas (as they should).

I know my opinion is unpopular with the average fan, but I wouldn't pay Zeke a big 2nd contract.  They so rarely work out on running backs.  I'd pick up 5th year option and franchise him a year and then let him go or try and trade him if you need to franchise him a 2nd time.

 

[Trey3216 15325]

Lol.   Stephen interviewed at the combine today and when asked about not having a first round pick said “we feel comfortable without the pick.   When oakland’s Drafts at our pick, we’ll be watching the highlight film of Amari Cooper.” 

[Horny Bull 2759]

 

[Bruh Man 3160]

this team is purposely trying to kill its fanbase.

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

16 minutes ago, Horny Bull said:

 

He's done..... I think we know now what the biggest hole on the team is.

 

[C-Man 27083]

1 minute ago, Patrick Bateman said:

He's done..... I think we know now what the biggest hole on the team is.

 

So goddamn stupid that weed is going to have ruined this kid's career when it's going to be collectively bargained in the next deal.

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

Just now, C-Man said:

So goddamn stupid that weed is going to have ruined this kid's career when it's going to be collectively bargained in the next deal.

Even dumber that he can't seem to no smoke to ensure he gets paid millions of dollars....

 

[michaelpshayes 417]

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

He's done..... I think we know now what the biggest hole on the team is.

 

The GM or the Head Corch?

[Get ln My Van 927]

Welp

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, C-Man said:

So goddamn stupid that weed is going to have ruined this kid's career when it's going to be collectively bargained in the next deal.

There's no fucking way weed is that good.

No way.

[C-Man 27083]

17 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Even dumber that he can't seem to no smoke to ensure he gets paid millions of dollars....

 

The real stupidity was not putting the smoke away so he could piss clean at the combine. Much easier to not get caught if you don't go into the system.

[irishtexan 11447]

46 minutes ago, Horny Bull said:

 

Shocking. Who could have possibly seen this coming? 

[jeevsie 3725]

So facepalm-y

[Post Oak 20188]

Randy has serious mental issues.  He uses the weed to help.  He's not a pothead in the traditional sense.  It's a shame.  The weed penalties need to be collectively bargained out next time. 

[Vic Mackey 46939]

So glad we spent that 2nd round pick on Gregory. He's contributed so much here.

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

1 hour ago, slorch said:

The GM or the Head Corch?

Owner.

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Owner.

 

The unholy trinity.  Jerrah is all of them.

[C-Man 27083]

35 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

Randy has serious mental issues.  He uses the weed to help.  He's not a pothead in the traditional sense.  It's a shame.  The weed penalties need to be collectively bargained out next time. 

[Rabidhorn 121]

So two Dallas DE's gone, does that mean they will have to draft a DE in the second round? Taco is a waste for far. There goes drafting a TE early, not that they would.

[Sgt Hulk 13648]

Jfc lol.  Weed > millions. Obviously 

[LTtxfan 49017]

3 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

I know my opinion is unpopular with the average fan, but I wouldn't pay Zeke a big 2nd contract.  They so rarely work out on running backs.  I'd pick up 5th year option and franchise him a year and then let him go or try and trade him if you need to franchise him a 2nd time.

 

[LTtxfan 49017]

1 hour ago, Horny Bull said:

 

Gregory should just move to Colorado and buy a pot dispensary business...... just don't smoke all the profits.

[DougO 5239]

Dorance Armstrong needs to have a huge camp.

[Vic Mackey 46939]

2 hours ago, Rabidhorn said:

So two Dallas DE's gone, does that mean they will have to draft a DE in the second round? Taco is a waste for far. There goes drafting a TE early, not that they would.

TJ Watt was on the board and we picked that spare Taco because TJ Watt was not a "right fit" in our system. Lulz.

[markstanco 12528]

Randy has serious mental issues.  He uses the weed to help.  He's not a pothead in the traditional sense.  It's a shame.  The weed penalties need to be collectively bargained out next time. 

I'm all for weed being legal.

But do tell your inside connection on his mental issues that are doctor/patient confidential. Some laws have obviously been broken here.

Or are you speculating?

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

3 hours ago, Post Oak said:

Randy has serious mental issues.  He uses the weed to help.  He's not a pothead in the traditional sense.  It's a shame.  The weed penalties need to be collectively bargained out next time. 

Weed doesn't affect enough players for it to be worthwhile for the NFLPA to give up actual ground on other issues as a concession to not penalize players for weed. If I were an NFLPA member who had no problem avoiding weed suspensions I'd be outraged if it was used to cede ground in other areas that are important to me. 

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

22 minutes ago, markstanco said:

I'm all for weed being legal.

But do tell your inside connection on his mental issues that are doctor/patient confidential. Some laws have obviously been broken here.

Or are you speculating?

It's been speculated on since he was at the combine. 

[Bone3421 716]

Not shocked... So many wasted 2nd rd picks

[Assman 1830]

36 minutes ago, Kiss said:

War on weed is quaintly stupid. 

Yep, but until it's legal for players to smoke it, they need to put the blunt down or deal with the consequences. What's stupid is to throw millions down the shitter for weed.

[Newdoc 3433]

1 hour ago, Assman said:

Yep, but until it's legal for players to smoke it, they need to put the blunt down or deal with the consequences. What's stupid is to throw millions down the shitter for weed.

If I was getting paid Gregory money, they could tell me to and I would willing give up fajitas and cheese enchiladas and those are legal.

[Brew 3049]

2 hours ago, Bone3421 said:

Not shocked... So many wasted 2nd rd picks

That pick was the end of the 2nd round, so no different than a 3rd rounder at that point. There wasn’t much of any interest that went in the next 40 picks after him outside of Jordan Hicks (Much smaller LB), Tyler Lockett, and 3 interesting RB’s. What would their roster look like today if they would have taken David Johnson there?

Edited February 27, 2019 by Brew

[Brew 3049]

Plus the last 5 are Connor Williams, Awuzie, J Smith, Gregory, and Lawrence. Is it even a thing at this point that they have wasted their 2nd round picks? You have to go back to Escobar in 13 for a true wasted pick.

[Bone3421 716]

Plus the last 5 are Connor Williams, Awuzie, J Smith, Gregory, and Lawrence. Is it even a thing at this point that they have wasted their 2nd round picks? You have to go back to Escobar in 13 for a true wasted pick.

Jaylon and gregory are wasted 2nd picks...you usually want more than 1 year of value from a 2nd rd pick
We got 2 years of lawrence also on 2nd rd contract ...

[Surly Bevo 24717]

Jaylon???

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

10 minutes ago, Brew said:

That pick was the end of the 2nd round, so no different than a 3rd rounder at that point. There wasn’t much of any interest that went in the next 40 picks after him outside of Jordan Hicks (pretty well off at LB at that point), Tyler Lockett, and 3 interesting RB’s. What would their roster look like today if they would have taken David Johnson there?

It was a top 60 pick.  Trying to change the designation of the pick to rationalize a failure is what losing organizations do.  And Frank Clark, who went 3 picks after Gregory has 35 sacks in his career including 13 last year.  

[Tired Horn 734]

7 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

So glad we spent that 2nd round pick on Gregory. He's contributed so much here.

He's been good for a few laughs, so there's that. 

Shame he can't get his head on straight. But at least there's Taco...

Crap.

[Chad 1728]

Hell, I've watched the Titans squander 2nd round picks for a decade. Sen'Derrick Marks, Akeem Ayers, Justin Hunter, Bishop Sankey, Dorial Green-Beckham and Kevin Dodd were all complete failures. Henry is the only one that worked out in the last 10 years, the jury is out on Harold Landry. Has Dallas been worse than that with 2nd rounders?

[Brew 3049]

7 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

It was a top 60 pick.  Trying to change the designation of the pick to rationalize a failure is what losing organizations do.  And Frank Clark, who went 3 picks after Gregory has 35 sacks in his career including 13 last year.  

Missed the Clark pick when I was skimming it. However, there are a whole lot of no names through thatvyears second and third round. Based on where Gregory graded out, I still don’t have an issue with the pick. The kid hasn’t been able to get it together, so it hasn’t worked out.

[Brew 3049]

7 hours ago, Bone3421 said:

Jaylon and gregory are wasted 2nd picks...you usually want more than 1 year of value from a 2nd rd pick
We got 2 years of lawrence also on 2nd rd contract ...

I’m not sure what your point with Lawrence is. They have one of the best DE’s in the league right now from a 2nd round pick. Is the complaint they wasted the pick because they didn’t get enough out of him in 2014 and 2016 when he was cheap? I’m not even sure what to say on Jaylon at this point other than by mid year this year it looked like it has worked out.

[Viper 12034]

Let's just sign Alex Okafor and move on

[Bone3421 716]

I’m not sure what your point with Lawrence is. They have one of the best DE’s in the league right now from a 2nd round pick. Is the complaint they wasted the pick because they didn’t get enough out of him in 2014 and 2016 when he was cheap? I’m not even sure what to say on Jaylon at this point other than by mid year this year it looked like it has worked out.

Yeah im arguing the years of no value...like mentioned above, bad orginizations make excuses. The cowboys have been much much better in the draft but the gambles in the second rd have had a lot of missed years...dlaw and smith(now with no drop foot) are good but took until end of first contract to produce

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

2 hours ago, Bone3421 said:

 

5 hours ago, Brew said:

I’m not sure what your point with Lawrence is. They have one of the best DE’s in the league right now from a 2nd round pick. Is the complaint they wasted the pick because they didn’t get enough out of him in 2014 and 2016 when he was cheap? I’m not even sure what to say on Jaylon at this point other than by mid year this year it looked like it has worked out.

Yeah im arguing the years of no value...like mentioned above, bad orginizations make excuses. The cowboys have been much much better in the draft but the gambles in the second rd have had a lot of missed years...dlaw and smith(now with no drop foot) are good but took until end of first contract to produce

Hindsight is like etc etc man.

Here's the Pat's last five 2nd round selections for comparison:

2018 -  Duke Dawson, CB - Didn't log a single snap this year.

2017 - No selection

2016 - Cyrus Jones, CB- Waived, no longer with team.

2015 - Jordan Richards, S - Lame, traded to Falcons for conditional 7th.

2014 - Jimmy Garoppolo, QB - Traded to 49ers for 2018 2nd round pick (used to select Duke Dawson).

2013 - Jamie Collins, LB - Probowl 2015, no longer with team, traded to browns for 3rd round pick.  Aaron Dobson, WR - Waived, no longer in league.

I understand that the Pats generally select later in the round, but they are the gold standard in terms of well run organizations.  I'd take our group any day.  

 

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

4 minutes ago, EvilCaseMcCoy said:

Hindsight is like etc etc man.

Here's the Pat's last five 2nd round selections for comparison:

2018 -  Duke Dawson, CB - Didn't log a single snap this year.

2017 - No selection

2016 - Cyrus Jones, CB- Waived, no longer with team.

2015 - Jordan Richards, S - Lame, traded to Falcons for conditional 7th.

2014 - Jimmy Garoppolo, QB - Traded to 49ers for 2018 2nd round pick (used to select Duke Dawson).

2013 - Jamie Collins, LB - Probowl 2015, no longer with team, traded to browns for 3rd round pick.  Aaron Dobson, WR - Waived, no longer in league.

I understand that the Pats generally select later in the round, but they are the gold standard in terms of well run organizations.  I'd take our group any day.  

 

Pats are actually really mediocre to poor in the first couple of rounds the last 7-8ish years.  They make a lot of hay in free agency, low rounds draft picks, and trades.  It helps when you have one of the Greatest QBs in history.  He and Bill's defensive scheming covers up so much.

 

[Bone3421 716]

Hindsight is like etc etc man.
Here's the Pat's last five 2nd round selections for comparison:
2018 -  Duke Dawson, CB - Didn't log a single snap this year.
2017 - No selection
2016 - Cyrus Jones, CB- Waived, no longer with team.
2015 - Jordan Richards, S - Lame, traded to Falcons for conditional 7th.
2014 - Jimmy Garoppolo, QB - Traded to 49ers for 2018 2nd round pick (used to select Duke Dawson).
2013 - Jamie Collins, LB - Probowl 2015, no longer with team, traded to browns for 3rd round pick.  Aaron Dobson, WR - Waived, no longer in league.
I understand that the Pats generally select later in the round, but they are the gold standard in terms of well run organizations.  I'd take our group any day.  
 

Its not really hindsight when on draft day everyone knew they were gambling on injuries and failed drug test...like i said 2 have paid off but we didnt get much value gregory/taco(1st rd) are plain misses...i like the defense but im not going to sugarcoat or sunshine pump...we havent got much value for 2nd picks in a long while

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

Support is fine.... even laudable, but "depend on" is something else.  They really need to move on from him on the field.

 

[Vic Mackey 46939]

3 hours ago, EvilCaseMcCoy said:

Hindsight is like etc etc man.

Here's the Pat's last five 2nd round selections for comparison:

2018 -  Duke Dawson, CB - Didn't log a single snap this year.

2017 - No selection

2016 - Cyrus Jones, CB- Waived, no longer with team.

2015 - Jordan Richards, S - Lame, traded to Falcons for conditional 7th.

2014 - Jimmy Garoppolo, QB - Traded to 49ers for 2018 2nd round pick (used to select Duke Dawson).

2013 - Jamie Collins, LB - Probowl 2015, no longer with team, traded to browns for 3rd round pick.  Aaron Dobson, WR - Waived, no longer in league.

I understand that the Pats generally select later in the round, but they are the gold standard in terms of well run organizations.  I'd take our group any day.  

 

They have the greatest coach and QB. They have room for error in the draft and can take chances. We have zero room for error with our clown coaching staff and GM/owner. Not really fair to compare us to them. They make moves in free agency. We don't. So our success is a lot more dependent on our draft than their is for their success. They have such a well oiled machine from top to bottom, they can plug and play and keep the train rolling with ease. As with us, if one little piece becomes unhinged, we fall apart. See 2015 and 2017. 

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

46 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

They have the greatest coach and QB. They have room for error in the draft and can take chances. We have zero room for error with our clown coaching staff and GM/owner. Not really fair to compare us to them. They make moves in free agency. We don't. So our success is a lot more dependent on our draft than their is for their success. They have such a well oiled machine from top to bottom, they can plug and play and keep the train rolling with ease. As with us, if one little piece becomes unhinged, we fall apart. See 2015 and 2017. 

They also have one of the easiest divisions in the NFL, just sayin. 

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

4 hours ago, EvilCaseMcCoy said:

They also have one of the easiest divisions in the NFL, just sayin. 

[DougO 5239]

Taco should be moved inside as one of Marinelli's conversion projects.