Dallas Cowboys 2019 Offseason Thread of Mediocrity

[Vic Mackey 46,939]

1 hour ago, slorch said:

accountability doesn't turn me off.

Penn State model appeals to you, eh?

Compare the NFL to any other sport. Their suspensions are ridiculous.

You are comparing these suspensions to the Penn St scandal?

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Compare the NFL to any other sport. Their suspensions are ridiculous.

You are comparing these suspensions to the Penn St scandal?

read much?

I was comparing the "embarrassment of suspensions" as a justification for not acting upon violations.

 

Of course the crimes are grossly different.

 

Wanna know what bugs me about the potheads who support legalization?  They tend to focus on how the laws shouldn't exist so they shouldn't have to abide by them, rather than discussing why it's a big fucking waste of resources to pursue the enforcement of aforementioned idiotic laws.  I favor legalization, but it's not because of the Joe Rogans and David Irvings of the world crying about how they should be able to do whatever the fuck they want..

The other gigantic, monumental leap of logic is the notion that marijuana is so fucking good that a normal, responsible, intelligent human being cannot resist its use while jeopardizing everything for which they have worked.  There is no fucking way.

Edited March 9, 2019 by slorch

[Catdaddyhorn 3,444]

2 hours ago, slorch said:

read much?

I was comparing the "embarrassment of suspensions" as a justification for not acting upon violations.

 

Of course the crimes are grossly different.

 

Wanna know what bugs me about the potheads who support legalization?  They tend to focus on how the laws shouldn't exist so they shouldn't have to abide by them, rather than discussing why it's a big fucking waste of resources to pursue the enforcement of aforementioned idiotic laws.  I favor legalization, but it's not because of the Joe Rogans and David Irvings of the world crying about how they should be able to do whatever the fuck they want..

The other gigantic, monumental leap of logic is the notion that marijuana is so fucking good that a normal, responsible, intelligent human being cannot resist its use while jeopardizing everything for which they have worked.  There is no fucking way.

Who said anything about justifying it?

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

I'd say it hurts the NFL's image to have players constantly in the news for suspensions.  Every suspension,  regardless of what it's for, gets lumped into the same batch.  

What conclusion should I have drawn?

[Catdaddyhorn 3,444]

21 minutes ago, slorch said:

What conclusion should I have drawn?

These are 2 separate issues.  My original question was in regards to whether it's smart for the NFL as entity to continue their policy of prohibiting the use of weed. Especially when no other league considers it a worthwhile vice to outlaw and continued suspensions add to a long list of other suspensions that keep the league in the news for negative stories.   That doesn't to speak to whether or not it's stupid for someone like David Irving to piss away his career along with what could potentially be generational wealth.  I can acknowledgement that Irving is a dummy while at the same believe that constantly having news of suspensions negatively impacts the league's image. 

[Catdaddyhorn 3,444]

I'm asking this from the NFL's perspective. As @C-Man noted they can use it as leverage to extract extra concessions from the NFLPA, but in a vacuum why do owners care about it?  And for what it's worth, from the NFLPA's perspective I wouldn't view it as an important enough issue to give in on at the expense of anything the NFL would want. Even if it's true that 90% of the league uses, only 10 to 20% of that number is dumb enough to get caught.  

[Machinator 32,098]

 

[Bone3421 716]

Good deal on lee...glad to have all 3 of our LB's

[C-Man 27,083]

I'm asking this from the NFL's perspective. As [mention=298]C-Man[/mention] noted they can use it as leverage to extract extra concessions from the NFLPA, but in a vacuum why do owners care about it?  And for what it's worth, from the NFLPA's perspective I wouldn't view it as an important enough issue to give in on at the expense of anything the NFL would want. Even if it's true that 90% of the league uses, only 10 to 20% of that number is dumb enough to get caught.  

I doubt hardly any — minus a holy roller or two — honestly cares all that much. But they will hold it over the players’ heads and will most certainly use that chip during the next round of negotiations. Meanwhile, guys like Randy Gregory and David Irving are pissing careers down the drain.

[Guest]

Pissing in the cup...

[Patrick Bateman 3,903]

Uhm yea.... good luck, Earl.  But no thanks.

[Guest]

Maybe the Padres will sign him too...

[Drew 2,331]

1 hour ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Uhm yea.... good luck, Earl.  But no thanks.

Yeah I'd love to have him...but that's obscene.

[C-Man 27,083]

Landon Collins just signed with Redskins for six years, $84M with $45M guaranteed. His annual salary is $14M for 2019.

What is the market for ETIII because dammit, I want him on the Cowboys!

[C-Man 27,083]

Spotrac shows ETIII's market value at roughly $10.5M over the next three seasons. Legit?

[Junior Miller 1,502]

Offer 2 for 25

[Junior Miller 1,502]

All 25 guaranteed

[Patrick Bateman 3,903]

10 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Landon Collins just signed with Redskins for six years, $84M with $45M guaranteed. His annual salary is $14M for 2019.

What is the market for ETIII because dammit, I want him on the Cowboys!

That's an insanely stupid contract for a team who is about 12 players away.  They just traded for a Ha Ha and then let him walk!  JFC.  They're a shit show.

[Vic Mackey 46,939]

15 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Landon Collins just signed with Redskins for six years, $84M with $45M guaranteed. His annual salary is $14M for 2019.

What is the market for ETIII because dammit, I want him on the Cowboys!

This front office refuses to sign anyone of worth in free agency. Get ready for more of the Heath shit show at safety. The fact he is even on the roster still baffles me. Not to mention he fucking starts. Maddening.

We have completely wasted the rookie deals of Zeke/Dak/Tank and whomever else. The time to strike is when your QB is on a friendly deal. But "we like our guys" even though our guys have not won anything. We over compensated the OL position and completely ignored interior line and safety play. We don't value either and then wonder why we get shredded in the playoffs against competent offenses time after time. No pressure whatsoever. And no back end help at all.

We get burned by a couple of contracts in the past and then go completely the opposite stance. Which is do zero in free agency. This grow your own and pay your own is good but you can't live solely through your own drafts. Free agency is there to take advantage of. Will they cost money? Sure. But they are proven talents. This whole notion of overpaying is silly. You gave to pay to get better when you have voids. We have the cap room to go get ET, who would make this defense so much better. We already don't have a 1st round pick this year. So it only makes sense to be aggressive. 

This isn't baseball where you can plan on building in 4-5 year windows. Eagles have already shown you can go from last to first and a champion in a season or 2. Jags did the same. Rams did the same.

[Vic Mackey 46,939]

10 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

That's an insanely stupid contract for a team who is about 12 players away.  They just traded for a Ha Ha and then let him walk!  JFC.  They're a shit show.

They might be a shit show but we are a shit show in terms of never progressing at all. We have been looking for a divisional round playoff win now for 23 years. We keep spinning our wheels in the soil of mediocrity. 

[C-Man 27,083]

21 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

This front office refuses to sign anyone of worth in free agency. Get ready for more of the Heath shit show at safety. The fact he is even on the roster still baffles me. Not to mention he fucking starts. Maddening.

We have completely wasted the rookie deals of Zeke/Dak/Tank and whomever else. The time to strike is when your QB is on a friendly deal. But "we like our guys" even though our guys have not won anything. We over compensated the OL position and completely ignored interior line and safety play. We don't value either and then wonder why we get shredded in the playoffs against competent offenses time after time. No pressure whatsoever. And no back end help at all.

We get burned by a couple of contracts in the past and then go completely the opposite stance. Which is do zero in free agency. This grow your own and pay your own is good but you can't live solely through your own drafts. Free agency is there to take advantage of. Will they cost money? Sure. But they are proven talents. This whole notion of overpaying is silly. You gave to pay to get better when you have voids. We have the cap room to go get ET, who would make this defense so much better. We already don't have a 1st round pick this year. So it only makes sense to be aggressive. 

This isn't baseball where you can plan on building in 4-5 year windows. Eagles have already shown you can go from last to first and a champion in a season or 2. Jags did the same. Rams did the same.

I agree. The Cowboys have to go BIG while Dak/Zeke are on rookie contracts. Bring back DLaw, sign ETIII, get Frederick healthy and this team could make some noise in 2019!

[Patrick Bateman 3,903]

21 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

They might be a shit show but we are a shit show in terms of never progressing at all. We have been looking for a divisional round playoff win now for 23 years. We keep spinning our wheels in the soil of mediocrity. 

Okay..... but that has nothing to do with my comment.  And it's been 28 years for the racists, brah.  Snyder is a poor man's version of Jerrah.  That's sad.

 

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

This front office refuses to sign anyone of worth in free agency. Get ready for more of the Heath shit show at safety. The fact he is even on the roster still baffles me. Not to mention he fucking starts. Maddening.

We have completely wasted the rookie deals of Zeke/Dak/Tank and whomever else. The time to strike is when your QB is on a friendly deal. But "we like our guys" even though our guys have not won anything. We over compensated the OL position and completely ignored interior line and safety play. We don't value either and then wonder why we get shredded in the playoffs against competent offenses time after time. No pressure whatsoever. And no back end help at all.

We get burned by a couple of contracts in the past and then go completely the opposite stance. Which is do zero in free agency. This grow your own and pay your own is good but you can't live solely through your own drafts. Free agency is there to take advantage of. Will they cost money? Sure. But they are proven talents. This whole notion of overpaying is silly. You gave to pay to get better when you have voids. We have the cap room to go get ET, who would make this defense so much better. We already don't have a 1st round pick this year. So it only makes sense to be aggressive. 

This isn't baseball where you can plan on building in 4-5 year windows. Eagles have already shown you can go from last to first and a champion in a season or 2. Jags did the same. Rams did the same.

I disagree.  This is the point in free agency where desperate teams get into bidding wars and overpay for aging players.  Im happy we dont partake.

 

[Patrick Bateman 3,903]

First FA signing!!!!  Former Horn!

 

Edited March 11, 2019 by Patrick Bateman

[futureman 22,424]

if earl really only wants a two year contract that’s great.  2 for 30 is actually reasonable.  he’ll play at a high level the next two years and $30MM isn’t a ton of money for his talent. 

[futureman 22,424]

1 minute ago, Patrick Bateman said:

First FA signing!!!!  Former Horn!

 

how was he able to bypass the draft?  has he been in a camp with a team before?

[taybo20 2,815]

13 minutes ago, futureman said:

how was he able to bypass the draft?  has he been in a camp with a team before?

He signed as an UDFA with the rams last year

[michaelpshayes 417]

sounds like a shit ass TE, he'll fit in perfectly 

[futureman 22,424]

3 minutes ago, michaelpshayes said:

sounds like a shit ass TE, he'll fit in perfectly 

a poor man’s gavin escobar.  

[Guest]

1 hour ago, futureman said:

if earl really only wants a two year contract that’s great.  2 for 30 is actually reasonable.  he’ll play at a high level the next two years and $30MM isn’t a ton of money for his talent. 

It would make him the highest paid safety in the league coming off a broken leg and most likely on the downhill side of what is an admittedly awesome career.

 

We can love ET for all he is and has done, but fuck no, that wouldn't be a good spend.

 

That likely means Jerrah cannot wait to pull the trigger on a deal.

Edited March 11, 2019 by slorch

[Vic Mackey 46,939]

3 hours ago, C-Man said:

I agree. The Cowboys have to go BIG while Dak/Zeke are on rookie contracts. Bring back DLaw, sign ETIII, get Frederick healthy and this team could make some noise in 2019!

Frederick being healthy will definitely help this OL. 

[Vic Mackey 46,939]

If ET only wants a 2 year deal, then you go all in right now. Landon Collins got 14 a year. ET is better than Collins easily and might be the best safety in the game. 2 years at 15per is just fine. We have $124mill of cap space for next year. There is no reason why we can't do that deal. What is the point of getting out of salary cap hell if not for moments like these? Even if he is a big bust, you are out of his contract in just 2 years. He is not wanting a long term deal or anything. 

[Vic Mackey 46,939]

ET has to be on cloud nine right now.

[michaelpshayes 417]

if next year isn't the year you go all in then fuck it ...you never will.... soon it'll be 60 bajillion dollars tied up in Dak, Zeke and Amari and they'll be surrounded by a bunch more OSU basketball walk-ons because you can't afford anything else  ...FML 

 

[Vic Mackey 46,939]

14 minutes ago, michaelpshayes said:

if next year isn't the year you go all in then fuck it ...you never will.... soon it'll be 60 bajillion dollars tied up in Dak, Zeke and Amari and they'll be surrounded by a bunch more OSU basketball walk-ons because you can't afford anything else  ...FML 

 

With Dallas, it's always next year. Remember, it's a process. Be patient man. It's only been 23 years since we have been to a conference championship. What's the rush?

[futureman 22,424]

2 hours ago, slorch said:

It would make him the highest paid safety in the league coming off a broken leg and most likely on the downhill side of what is an admittedly awesome career

the broken leg is no biggie.  he’ll be 100% next season.  2 for 30 works.  I have a hard time believing earl would actually take it.  unless he’s got his sights his next contract after this one.  he’s only 30.  if he plays two great seasons in 2019 and 20 he could get more big money when he’s 32.  if he’d take 2 for 30 I hope we do it. 

Edited March 12, 2019 by futureman

[Guest]

1 minute ago, futureman said:

the broken leg is no biggie.  he’ll be 100% next season.  2 for 30 works.  I have a hard time believing earl would actually take it. 

I don't get it.

Is it worth that overspend not to see #38 getting torched?   Fuck it...you might have a point.

[futureman 22,424]

Just now, slorch said:

I don't get it.

Is it worth that overspend not to see #38 getting torched?   Fuck it...you might have a point.

heath not getting torched is a small thing.  earl could change the whole defense if he really takes over back there.  it’d be worth it. 

[SurlyBDR 22,683]

5 minutes ago, futureman said:

the broken leg is no biggie.  he’ll be 100% next season.  2 for 30 works.  I have a hard time believing earl would actually take it.  unless he’s got his sights his next contract after this one.  he’s only 30.  if he plays two great seasons in 2019 and 20 he could get more big money when he’s 32.  if he’d take 2 for 30 I hope we do it. 

Break out yo checkbook, beeyotch

[C-Man 27,083]

heath not getting torched is a small thing.  earl could change the whole defense if he really takes over back there.  it’d be worth it. 

He makes a very good defense elite. Do it!

[Junior Miller 1,502]

That's his asking price but he knows it's a negotiation if he really wants to join the Cowboys. Cowboys should offer 2 for 25 and then meet in middle at 2 for 27.5

Edited March 12, 2019 by Junior Miller

[Horny Bull 2,759]

Welp, Beasley is gone.

[Drew 2,331]

I always hate FA. When they spend on players this fan base cries about paying too much...when they don't go nuts in FA, like most smart teams, this fan base says they suck.

 

I can't wait until they win a SB eventually...no matter what they do you'll have idiots bitching.  They sign ET and I swear Vic will be bitching when he gives up a TD pass in October.

[youdunnf'dup 2,147]

Beasley to the Bills for 4 years $29 mil. He was never going to get that here, so good on him. 

['stache 21,778]

Good luck relying on Josh Allen to get you the ball more. This might make for a decent quick cash grab but his productivity is about to plummet.

Edited March 12, 2019 by 'stache

[Vic Mackey 46,939]

17 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Good luck relying on Josh Allen to get you the ball more. This might make for a decent quick cash grab but his productivity is about to plummet.

The name of the game is to get paid as much as you can in your respective profession. He did. Good for him.

[KeysPhoneWallet 807]

Good job on Beasley getting paid. I don’t think there was any way he was gonna resign here.

I also think 2/30 is worth it for ET, he’s plug and play and fixes a defensive hole. The only problem is his overlap with woods. I like woods and think he should still be in the mix. Will an ET / woods safety duo work?

[RPM 26,237]

Hate to lose the Squirrel, but ya gotta get paid.

[Patrick Bateman 3,903]

Beasley didn't get his 20m but got about 15....

Thanks Cole.  You think Dak had some bad passes?  Have fun with Josh Allen!!!

[Tired Horn 734]

37 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

The name of the game is to get paid as much as you can in your respective profession. He did. Good for him.

Yeah, but he has to live in Buffalo. So there's that.