2019 Big 12 Baseball Thread

Bash Riprock · January 14, 2019

5 conference teams ranked in the preseason top 25.

1	Vanderbilt	35-27
2	LSU	39-27
3	Texas Tech	45-20
4	Louisville	45-19
5	UCLA	38-21
6	Florida	49-21
7	North Carolina	44-20
8	Oregon State	55-12-1
9	Georgia	39-21
10	Ole Miss	48-17
11	East Carolina	44-18
12	Stanford	46-12
13	Florida State	43-19
14	Mississippi State	39-29
15	Baylor	37-21
16	Arkansas	48-21
17	Michigan	33-21
18	Oklahoma State	31-26-1
19	TCU	33-23
20	Wake Forest	25-32
21	Coastal Carolina	43-19
22	Auburn	43-23
23	Texas	42-23
24	Clemson	47-16
25	Cal State Fullerton	36-25

Edited January 14, 2019 by Bash Riprock

oSuJeff97 · January 24, 2019

Can't wait!

We have a really nice slate of non-conference opponents this year: USC, UCLA, Michigan, Missouri State, Iowa, Oregon State, Wichita State and ORU.

torre · January 27, 2019

On 1/24/2019 at 1:21 PM, oSuJeff97 said:

Can't wait!

We have a really nice slate of non-conference opponents this year: USC, UCLA, Michigan, Missouri State, Iowa, Oregon State, Wichita State and ORU.

Tell us about your new stadium for 2020 (O'brate Stadium). Looks to be an amazing stadium, upper echelon in college baseball. Is it located near Allie P ? Hope they include the monuments/memorabilia from Allie P to honor your history. Need to keep the Allie P name somewhere, maybe Allie P field.

Cajun · January 27, 2019

I that real grasss? If so, can you tell us what real grass is like?

oSuJeff97 · January 28, 2019

On 1/26/2019 at 6:44 PM, torre said:

Tell us about your new stadium for 2020 (O'brate Stadium). Looks to be an amazing stadium, upper echelon in college baseball. Is it located near Allie P ? Hope they include the monuments/memorabilia from Allie P to honor your history. Need to keep the Allie P name somewhere, maybe Allie P field.

Yeah I'm SUPER excited for the new stadium. It's something that's been in the works for YEARS.

I think their goal with it was to make a top 5 stadium in college baseball. We'll see.... but from all of the renderings and videos and everything, it looks like it's going to be sweet.

It's not located exactly where Allie P. is.... It's about 2-3 blocks northwest of there, directly north of the Tennis facility.

They haven't announced anything yet, in terms of doing something with the Allie P. name or any other monuments, but knowing that Josh Holiday has such an intimate knowledge of OSU baseball history and talks about how important it is all the time, I'd be very surprised if they didn't have something pretty cool planned.

TrashMaster G · January 30, 2019

On 1/26/2019 at 6:44 PM, torre said:

Tell us about your new stadium for 2020 (O'brate Stadium). Looks to be an amazing stadium, upper echelon in college baseball. Is it located near Allie P ? Hope they include the monuments/memorabilia from Allie P to honor your history. Need to keep the Allie P name somewhere, maybe Allie P field.

Man, I am jealous. That is pretty much exactly what I wanted them to do with The Disch when they did the renovation. The open concourse setup is so much better.

Horny Bull · January 30, 2019

Preseason Awards:

Player of the Year: Josh Jung (Texas Tech)

Pitcher of the Year: Cody Bradford (Baylor)

Newcomer of the Year: Bryce Bonnin (Texas Tech)

Freshman of the Year: Max Marusak (Texas Tech)

All Conference Team:

SimonBolivar · January 30, 2019

Whole lotta Tech guys.

Edited January 30, 2019 by SimonBolivar

chase25 · January 30, 2019

That is a whole lot of love for a team that finished 3rd in the Big 12...

TrashMaster G · January 31, 2019

4 hours ago, chase25 said:

That is a whole lot of love for a team that finished 3rd in the Big 12...

They have a lot coming back.

pigmeat markham · January 31, 2019

11 hours ago, chase25 said:

That is a whole lot of love for a team that finished 3rd in the Big 12...

Three CWS in the last 5 years will do that.

pigmeat markham · January 31, 2019

6 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

They have a lot coming back.

Actually, they were tied last year for first in the country in number of players drafted.

Horny Bull · January 31, 2019

Okie State · February 1, 2019

OSU throwbacks to the 1959 championship team are pretty cool.

randygilman · February 3, 2019

TCU putting the outline of the state of Nebraska on their cleats is high-level yuppie shit, which I guess makes sense for TCU

February 4, 2019

Well, a toad is a bugeater...

Huckleberry · February 5, 2019

On 2/1/2019 at 3:26 PM, Okie State said:

OSU throwbacks to the 1959 championship team are pretty cool.

At least that team actually won a title.

Also, please Texas Tech would you please make it to a bracket final in Omaha so you can be removed from the list you share with A&M and Northwestern?

Okie State · February 5, 2019

Turns out baseball has a legitimate system for determining a champion. Football is a sham.

Huckleberry · February 5, 2019

Yeah, I have no problem with the Oklahoma State program, but you're being silly if you don't recognize that 1945 claim as an even bigger joke than most. Nobody alive in 1945 thought Oklahoma State was the best team in the country at that time. Even if you don't consider Army a college football team, for which you could make a reasonable argument considering the situation at the time, Alabama had a much better claim to being the second best team that year

A standard power rating system would have favored Army over Oklahoma state by 45 points in 1945. And if you do consider Army a college football team, which pretty much everyone does, they weren't just the best team in 1945, they were likely the best team of all time. They beat four Top 10 teams that year by an average score of 42-5. These teams weren't just Top 10 when they played Army, they also finished Top 10.

Oklahoma State's 1945 claim is the rough equivalent of Tulane claiming the 1998 national championship.

February 5, 2019

3 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

At least that team actually won a title.

Also, please Texas Tech would you please make it to a bracket final in Omaha so you can be removed from the list you share with A&M and Northwestern?

I support this post.

Please just follow through and win the whole damned thing...

Okie State · February 6, 2019

Yeah, I have no problem with the Oklahoma State program, but you're being silly if you don't recognize that 1945 claim as an even bigger joke than most. Nobody alive in 1945 thought Oklahoma State was the best team in the country at that time. Even if you don't consider Army a college football team, for which you could make a reasonable argument considering the situation at the time, Alabama had a much better claim to being the second best team that year
A standard power rating system would have favored Army over Oklahoma state by 45 points in 1945. And if you do consider Army a college football team, which pretty much everyone does, they weren't just the best team in 1945, they were likely the best team of all time. They beat four Top 10 teams that year by an average score of 42-5. These teams weren't just Top 10 when they played Army, they also finished Top 10.
Oklahoma State's 1945 claim is the rough equivalent of Tulane claiming the 1998 national championship.

I'm indifferent as it has zero impact on my life and I had zero input into the decision. Also not relevant to this thread so I'll bow out.

oSuJeff97 · February 6, 2019

17 hours ago, Okie State said:

I'm indifferent as it has zero impact on my life and I had zero input into the decision. Also not relevant to this thread so I'll bow out.

Same.

Horny Bull · February 12, 2019

Js1 · February 12, 2019

Womp womp.

Fuck OU

Valmy77 · February 12, 2019

1 hour ago, Horny Bull said:

Sorry to hear that for Fink's sake. I hope he recovers and has a successful professional career.

However, fuck OU. I hope you blow every lead you manage to get this season now.

Go Pokes · February 13, 2019

On 2/5/2019 at 3:32 PM, Huckleberry said:

Yeah, I have no problem with the Oklahoma State program, but you're being silly if you don't recognize that 1945 claim as an even bigger joke than most. Nobody alive in 1945 thought Oklahoma State was the best team in the country at that time. Even if you don't consider Army a college football team, for which you could make a reasonable argument considering the situation at the time, Alabama had a much better claim to being the second best team that year

A standard power rating system would have favored Army over Oklahoma state by 45 points in 1945. And if you do consider Army a college football team, which pretty much everyone does, they weren't just the best team in 1945, they were likely the best team of all time. They beat four Top 10 teams that year by an average score of 42-5. These teams weren't just Top 10 when they played Army, they also finished Top 10.

Oklahoma State's 1945 claim is the rough equivalent of Tulane claiming the 1998 national championship.

Don't worry. None of us take it seriously. I think they did it just to piss off the Landthieves crowd.

SimonBolivar · February 14, 2019

So @Al_4_ISU when are y'all going to say fuck it and join back up. You had some of the best uni's in the Big XII.

Edited February 14, 2019 by SimonBolivar

Al_4_ISU · February 14, 2019

8 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

So @Al_4_ISU when are y'all going to say fuck it and join back up. You had some of the best uni's in the Big XII.

I'd be down.

I never really gave a fuck back when we had a team though. We were always pretty terrible, IIRC. I suppose I'd follow it just out of principle, and being able to catch games on our Tier III channel.

In all reality, some donor would pretty much have to singlehandedly fund it. We aren't going to add a non-revenue male sport any time soon.

Edited February 14, 2019 by Al_4_ISU

SimonBolivar · February 14, 2019

5 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I'd be down.

I never really gave a fuck back when we had a team though. We were always pretty terrible, IIRC. I suppose I'd follow it just out of principle, and being able to catch games on our Tier III channel.

In all reality, some donor would pretty much have to singlehandedly fund it. We aren't going to add a non-revenue male sport any time soon.

Yeah it's tough up there. I looked up Iowa's schedule and they play their first 10 games on the road and don't have a home game until March 3 against whatever Simpson College is and they don't play a D1 team at home until game 15 vs Illinois-Chicago on March 12. That's tough for fans to really get involved with and excited about.

Al_4_ISU · February 14, 2019

25 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Yeah it's tough up there. I looked up Iowa's schedule and they play their first 10 games on the road and don't have a home game until March 3 against whatever Simpson College is and they don't play a D1 team at home until game 15 vs Illinois-Chicago on March 12. That's tough for fans to really get involved with and excited about.

There are a lot of struggles with it. It's a very distant third to football and basketball in terms of popularity. In part because of high school ball being played during summer, IMO. During a certain era, farm kids didn't get to play baseball because they were expected to work when they weren't in school. That's a big reason I never cared - I had to work and didn't get to play. This lead to a pretty sporadic baseball culture throughout the state (its worshiped in a couple communities and a complete after thought everywhere else).

Iowa had a decent run a couple years ago, and people kinda got into it, but they aren't well attended typically, and we weren't either. College baseball is a niche sport, and it wasn't even really a niche here. Pro baseball has a reasonable following here (Cubs are #1 with a bullet - Des Moines has their AAA affiliate, and there are Twins, Cards, and Royals contingents), but high school and college just aren't a big deal, and I don't see that changing.

Edited February 14, 2019 by Al_4_ISU

Go Pokes · February 14, 2019

On the plus side, your negativity would be well founded if you brought back baseball.

Al_4_ISU · February 14, 2019

2 minutes ago, Go Pokes said:

On the plus side, your negativity would be well founded if you brought back baseball.

My negatively will always be well-founded. The history of ISU athletics could be written into a Greek tragedy. Recent relative success can't undo that foundation of pain.

But in baseball it would at least be accurate to this moment in time.

chase25 · February 14, 2019

58 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

There are a lot of struggles with it. It's a very distant third to football and basketball in terms of popularity. In part because of high school ball being played during summer, IMO. During a certain era, farm kids didn't get to play baseball because they were expected to work when they weren't in school. That's a big reason I never cared - I had to work and didn't get to play. This lead to a pretty sporadic baseball culture throughout the state (its worshiped in a couple communities and a complete after thought everywhere else).

Iowa had a decent run a couple years ago, and people kinda got into it, but they aren't well attended typically, and we weren't either. College baseball is a niche sport, and it wasn't even really a niche here. Pro baseball has a reasonable following here (Cubs are #1 with a bullet - Des Moines has their AAA affiliate, and there are Twins, Cards, and Royals contingents), but high school and college just aren't a big deal, and I don't see that changing.

If Iowa can do it, y'all can do it. Look at the bright side, y'all only need 4 CWS appearances to catch aggy.

Al_4_ISU · February 14, 2019

17 minutes ago, chase25 said:

If Iowa can do it, y'all can do it. Look at the bright side, y'all only need 4 CWS appearances to catch aggy.

Yeah. There are plenty of schools at our latitude that play baseball - shit, Minnesota does it.

Iowa isn't making money off of it, however. And at this point we won't reinstate it unless it makes money, or some donor makes it fiscally feasible.

Edited February 14, 2019 by Al_4_ISU

chase25 · February 14, 2019

1 hour ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Yeah. There are plenty of schools at our latitude that play baseball - shit, Minnesota does it.

Iowa isn't making money off of it, however. And at this point we won't reinstate it unless it makes money, or some donor makes it fiscally feasible.

Saying you don't make money puts you in the same boat of almost every school that plays baseball. I'm not even sure if Texas makes money off of it, pretty sure Texas loses money on baseball, only a handful from the SEC make money with LSU leading the way that is about it.

BERT · February 14, 2019

I know it's not big12 related but after looking at the top 25 list, what in the fuck has happened to Miami over the years?? Was there a coaching change that i'm not aware of?

spystud13 · February 14, 2019

All I know about Miami is their ace is related to ESPN’s Chris McKendry, maybe her son.

February 14, 2019

funding change...

Machinator · February 15, 2019

1 hour ago, chase25 said:

Saying you don't make money puts you in the same boat of almost every school that plays baseball. I'm not even sure if Texas makes money off of it, pretty sure Texas loses money on baseball, only a handful from the SEC make money with LSU leading the way that is about it.

Texas baseball made a $1.6M profit in 2018.

chase25 · February 15, 2019

1 hour ago, Machinator said:

Texas baseball made a $1.6M profit in 2018.

Where did you find that? All I could find was 2017 and we were at a deficit that year. Either way not many make a profit

Valmy77 · February 15, 2019

23 minutes ago, chase25 said:

Where did you find that? All I could find was 2017 and we were at a deficit that year. Either way not many make a profit

As a huge College Baseball guy it pains me to admit it but yeah it is largely a "dear lord I hope we miraculously break even" sport than a revenue one. But hey most sports cannot even claim that.

But remember we hosted the Regionals and the Super Regional last year. That might have helped our income.

Edited February 15, 2019 by Valmy77

torre · February 15, 2019

I am not Machinator, but from the CDC thread, Football Forum.

As in previous years, Texas football ($103.5 million), men’s basketball ($7 million) and baseball ($1.5 million) are the only profitable sports on campus. The lion’s share of the profit generated from football pays for UT’s other 17 varsity sports

https://www.hookem.com/story/texas-athletics-smashes-record-generating-219-4-million-2017-18/

Edited February 15, 2019 by torre

Al_4_ISU · February 15, 2019

I know most schools don’t make money on baseball. I’m just saying stand alone financial viability is the only thing that could sway our AD into bringing it back.

JimmyHoffa · February 15, 2019

8 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I know most schools don’t make money on baseball. I’m just saying stand alone financial viability is the only thing that could sway our AD into bringing it back.

This especially with Title IX.

I do find it odd that Iowa State and Wisconsin are the only two schools in the B1G/B12 that don't have baseball teams.

Machinator · February 15, 2019

12 hours ago, torre said:

I am not Machinator, but from the CDC thread, Football Forum.

As in previous years, Texas football ($103.5 million), men’s basketball ($7 million) and baseball ($1.5 million) are the only profitable sports on campus. The lion’s share of the profit generated from football pays for UT’s other 17 varsity sports

https://www.hookem.com/story/texas-athletics-smashes-record-generating-219-4-million-2017-18/

This is my source, thank you (and I stand slightly corrected on the figure).

Horny Bull · February 15, 2019

Friday-Monday (2/15-2/18):

Oregon @ Texas Tech

Kansas @ South Carolina Upstate

Kansas State @ CSUN

Friday-Sunday (2/15-2/17):

Cal Poly @ Oklahoma

Texas @ UL-Lafayette

Holy Cross @ Baylor

Oklahoma State @ UTRGV

Atlanta Challenge:

West Virginia (vs Kennesaw State, vs Georgia State, vs Georgia Tech)

MLB4 Tournament:

TCU (vs Cal State Fullerton, vs Virginia, vs Vanderbilt)

Edited February 15, 2019 by Horny Bull

Al_4_ISU · February 15, 2019

28 minutes ago, JimmyHoffa said:

This especially with Title IX.

I do find it odd that Iowa State and Wisconsin are the only two schools in the B1G/B12 that don't have baseball teams.

I think at the time it happened it was probably a very short term pragmatic decision.

The Big 12 wasn’t making as much money, and we weren’t drawing anywhere near the football crowds we do today. Throw Title IX into the mix, a general lack of interest in the program, and the fact that the state of Iowa puts zero subsidies into ISU/UI athletics, and our AD at the time (who was a fucking disaster - he would later be fired by Louisiana Tech for declining a bowl bid in hopes of a better one and ended up snubbed) saw it as a way to cut costs without violating Title IX and pissing off donors who were basketball first, football second, wrestling third.

Bash Riprock · February 15, 2019

SimonBolivar · February 15, 2019

Baylor has to have one of the worst noncon schedules I've ever seen.

Holy Cross (4 games)

Cornell (3 games)

Minute Maid Games (A&M, Rice, Tx St)

@ Nebraska (3 games)

Cal Poly (3 games)

There are a couple midweek games against DBU and SHSU, but overall that's terrible for team starting the year at #15.

SimonBolivar · February 15, 2019

Well actually A&M's is worse, but they always play a weak noncon.

Fordham (3 games)

Illinois-Chicago (3 games)

Minute Maid (Baylor, TCU, Houston)

Gonzaga (3 games)

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