Big 12 Shopping Title Game

[Hurtlocker 2208]

Didn't see this in here, but it is an interesting wrinkle on TV rights on the new game.   Someone will pick it up and get their toes wet leading into the next five years.

After Fox says no thanks, Big 12 in market for media rights to its football championship game

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The Big 12 is in the marketplace with three of its conference championship football games, including one that kicks off in just 11 months.

The conference has been shopping the 2019, 2021 and 2023 games to media companies over the last several months after Fox told Big 12 officials that it was not interested.

The Big 12 had hoped that Fox, one of its two primary media partners, would pick up the rights to the championship games in the odd-numbered years. Fox carried the 2017 game as part of a mediated settlement around conference expansion, paying about $25 million for its rights. But the network and the conference could not come to terms on the other three available games. Sources said the last offer made to Fox valued the game in the high teens.

The conference is trying to get at least $20 million for the game, sources said.

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At least two networks are said to have shown interest in the three-game package. ESPN, which already owns the rights to the games in 2020, 2022 and 2024, clearly has the upper hand if it wants the rights. Sources say the conference is not allowed to shop the games to a third network unless ESPN and Fox both pass on it. Any disagreement in price goes to arbitration.

 

[TexasMan 10786]

Hopefully one step closer to putting the nails in the coffin of the Big 12.

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

1 hour ago, Hurtlocker said:

Didn't see this in here, but it is an interesting wrinkle on TV rights on the new game.   Someone will pick it up and get their toes wet leading into the next five years.

After Fox says no thanks, Big 12 in market for media rights to its football championship game

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From Monday....

 

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

I've got a great idea... Let's put it on the Longhorn Network!

[MrPhlegm 3413]

6 figs should buy the rights to this and use it to denigrate the bdf.

[kopp0e 1135]

Yeah, I am "porting" a response from a discussion on the dirt realignment thread, of note, the PAC is in far worse shape pertaining to media contracts in the mid 2020's:

I'd argue USC is "already" unhappy in PAC setup, as evidenced in articles of 1978 expansion of Arizona/Arizona State to PAC, the Trojans were headedout of the conference (with UCLA as well), if the PAC didn't expand to the east as USC wanted to expand in markets to the east, during tv negotiations of the time...
 

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What if USC left the Pac-12? - SBNation.com

https://www.sbnation.com/college.../2017/12/.../usc-pac-12-conference-realignment-lo...
Dec 11, 2017 - Pac-12 teams play nine conference games, and this year, USC didn't have a bye week ... OK, but could USC leaving the Pac-12 actually work?

 

Money would be "significantly different" than now, for blue blood gridiron royalty as USC & Oklahoma in a league that compares well with B1G & SEC revenues...
All while keeping many historical/regional foes, vs that of OU v Purdue or OU v Minnesota in a B1G west "rivalry" game... Media rights may have burst unless a
party as FAANG gets involved, as FOX has already shown no interest in repurchasing 22 RSN's sold to DIsney (including OU 3rd tier)... This may be a "2 pronged"
strategy, in trying to help bolster the value of 14 schools FOX has 51% stake in 3rd tier network, to not continue drought of missing (ESPN owned) CFP invites...

 

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The reckoning: When rights-fee bubble bursts ... - Sports Illustrated

https://www.si.com/college-football/.../espn-layoffs-media-rights-bubble-college-sport...
May 9, 2017 - As fans decide to leave cable TV behind, the rights-fee bubble could burst, forcing some big changes in spending in college sports.

 

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Fox says it won't bid for sports networks Disney may sell - New York Post

https://nypost.com/2019/01/.../fox-says-it-wont-bid-for-sports-networks-disney-may-s...
4 days ago - Twenty-First Century Fox said on Friday it does not plan to bid for any of the regional sports networks that Walt Disney Co. may need to sell to ...

Amazon may be a main competitor vs both ESPN/ABC & FS1/FOX, whom both heavily rely on an antiquated pay model, where consumers are leaving in droves:
 

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Amazon's Bid On Regional Networks Is The Next Step In Sports Rights ...

https://www.forbes.com/.../amazon-bid-fox-regional-sports-networks-tv-disney-tegna-...
Nov 20, 2018 - Amazon is among first-round bidders for 22 regional sports networks that Disney must divest after completing its $71 billion Fox purchase.

As is, until mid 2030's, ESPN has ACC/*Notre Dame & SEC 3rd tier rights locked up in leasing deals, while FOX outrights owns most of BTN; would FOX look to add content as Oklahoma/Texas & USC, as shown from last weekends Dallas vs Los Angeles NFL game, there is a solid football market, in rebranded league...

The arguments have already been bantered of USC going independent (in media), or joining the XII in a "merger" (in fan discussions):

 sactowndog

• (3835)
• 193 months

Mar 13, 2018via Mobile

Not so sure it can’t. The PAC-8 started this way as did the MWC and the Big 12.

The keys are the 4 CA schools and Texas. If they all decide it’s in their interest the run to 12 happens quickly. Washington, Oregon and Arizona have no choice.... their alternatives are limited. Kansas would have to decide in a day take the bird in the hand or hope the Big 10 accepts their crappy football.

Getting back to a core 8 schools ( all AAU) who play each other every year will be enticing on the West side.

One the east side things get more challenging.. the first 4 are 50/50 odds or worse but in each case reignites old important rivalries. Missouri and A&M are both AAU schools, so being in a conference that strong academically will have some appeal.

Oklahoma will be faced with a tough call.... the SEC could quickly offer both OK State and OK but I doubt they want to do that. If Nebraska were in it would help. Reuniting with Colorado and Kansas would be a plus. Oklahoma would be a cherry on top. TCU and Houston are just happy to be invited.

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PAbuff

• (3837)
• 157 months

Visitor here. Good ideas in this thread, but I like things simple. You want more per-school $$$? A lot more? Keep it at twelve schools, a workable number. Get rid of the two non-media contributors, Washington State and Oregon State. Make a convincing offer to Texas and Oklahoma, the only two big $$$ media-love-affair schools to our east. Allow the Horns to keep their Longhorn Network in some form (the Pac-12 network needs to be restructured anyway). Add the Sooners and Horns to the South, have Colorado and Utah go to the North. Keep the guaranteed crossover Cali games.

Bingo, you're done, and with more than 30 million population in a sports crazed media market added, along with extending the Pac-12's recruiting footprint and getting us into the Central Time Zone and it's earlier starts, the media deal could give $50-$60 million a year per-school payout, probably more. That would be enough to attract the guys in Austin and Norman, unhappy with their junkyard conference, and easily enough to say goodbye to old friends who don't contribute in Corvallis and Pullman.

https://247sports.com/college/usc/Bo...-12-116174156/

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Hotline podcast: Should USC become an Independent? Some ...

https://www.mercurynews.com/.../hotline-podcast-should-usc-become-an-independent...
Dec 13, 2017 - USC fans, like many in the Pac-12, are increasingly frustrated on several fronts. ... Some frustrated Trojans fans believe it's worth considering ...

Just as seen in battle of #RamsVsCowboys, between 2 most populated states in America; "there's eyeballs in them there hills", yes LA loves (winning) football..!

[LTtxfan 48972]

Damn..... B12 Championship Game odds for BlowU vs Texas rematch just got better.

Who wouldn't want to watch Sam vs Jalen .... Rd 2

[mdmost 42865]

ESPN grabs our ridiculous title game. More important, OOC crap games will start going to ESPN+

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ESPN, Big 12 Agree To Sweeping Media-Rights Deal

By John Ourand and Michael Smith

April 10, 2019

ESPN signed a sweeping media-rights deal with the Big 12 that will see ABC or ESPN carry every football championship game through ’24 and will launch a Big 12-branded area on ESPN+. In the new deal, which includes three championship games and ESPN+ rights, ESPN will pay a total of around $40M. When this agreement is added to the current media-rights deal that still has six years to run, the conference will average $22M per year, sources said. A formal announcement is expected later today.

As part of the deal, ESPN picked up the rights to three football championship games in ’19, ’21 and ’23 that Fox had declined to buy. The conference had been trying to find a media company to pay in the high teens for those games. It will appear on either ABC or ESPN depending on scheduling.

Every deal ESPN has cut recently has included a significant ESPN+ component, and this one is no different. Hundreds of events from all sports will be offered on ESPN+ under a Big 12 brand. Eight of the 10 schools will provide more than 50 exclusive events per year, including at least one football game, any spring football game and any basketball game that is not on an ESPN linear network. Texas, which has Longhorn Network, and Oklahoma, which has its own local rights deal, will not provide content to ESPN+.

Starting in '19, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State and Oklahoma State will provide games for ESPN+. The following year, Iowa State, TCU, West Virginia and Texas Tech will participate.

 

[Hurtlocker 2208]

Interesting twist, that $22m is just for the ESPN half of the contract, so looks like they are netting about $2.5-3m per team for the "exclusive" events.

[kopp0e 1135]

A few notes from the article:

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https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Morning-Buzz/2019/04/10/ESPN-Big-12.aspx

Texas, which has Longhorn Network, and Oklahoma, which has its own local rights deal, will not provide content to ESPN+. However, both schools will be featured on the streaming service when they are an away team and during conference championships outside of football and basketball.

Starting in '19, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State and Oklahoma State will provide games for ESPN+. The following year, Iowa State, TCU, West Virginia and Texas Tech will participate.

So, the clause in LHN, will no longer be an issue for UT to appear on the upcoming league streaming network...

[Machinator 32097]

 

[Hurtlocker 2208]

Actually, did my math wrong, that's $3.75m per school for the unused inventory, assuming it just goes to the eight and assuming the three title games are worth $60m.

[HtownHorn 14487]

Big 12 reportedly made $371M in 2017, so every team got paid $37.1M before their 3rd tier rights. It appears the rest of the conference finally sold those rights for around $3-4M per.

So that would bring them up to around $40M each year, then you have Texas at $52M when you factor in the Longhorn Network.

If USC is serious about going independent, then Texas, USC, ND should form an alliance.

[Burt Macklin 18998]

15 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Big 12 reportedly made $371M in 2017, so every team got paid $37.1M before their 3rd tier rights. It appears the rest of the conference finally sold those rights for around $3-4M per.

So that would bring them up to around $40M each year, then you have Texas at $52M when you factor in the Longhorn Network.

If USC is serious about going independent, then Texas, USC, ND should form an alliance.

I’d be all for us playing USC and ND every year (and OU too) and then figuring out the rest.

With new competitors like Amazon, Twitter, etc. and more entering the market all the time, we’d have no trouble monetizing our rights. I’d think we’d be especially valuable to someone like Amazon becuase they could test out college rights with us, without having to shell out billions just to enter the market, like they would if bought a whole conference. 

 

Edited April 10, 2019 by Burt Macklin

[ztejas 43266]

As long as they don't play the game in fucking Missouri. 

['stache 21772]

I'm pretty sure it's locked in with Jerryworld for the forseeable future. The bball tournament is fixed in KC, Mo. forever too, unfortunately. 

[Brock Sampson 289]

I originally thought this thread was going to be about Texas and ou wives at the Domain.

[Hurtlocker 2208]

More, from Big 12

Big 12 Conference, ESPN Enhance Comprehensive Rights Agreement

Seems to be all about branding:

Chris Del Conte, Texas:
“We are very excited for Longhorn fans to be able to watch us compete in a wide array of sports from across the Big 12. To be the first Autonomy Conference to have a branded identity on the ESPN+ platform speaks to the long-term growth of the Conference and the embrace of technology to deliver content to our fans.”

Joe Castiglione, Oklahoma: 
“This is a hallmark day in the history of the Big 12 Conference.  It affirms the stated desire of our Board of Directors and Athletics Directors to be forward thinking in the use of technology in delivering a Conference-branded outlet that enables all fans to follow their favorite teams.  Today’s announcement further enhances the Big 12 brand and favorably positions the Conference for years to come.”

Jeff Long, Kansas:
“This agreement strengthens the Big 12 Conference’s alliance with our valued broadcast partner, and helps ensure the conference’s future financial growth. While this decision means a change in how our local and regional fans watch a few early-season games, it will allow Jayhawks around the world the convenience of watching games when they want and with the same excellent quality we are all used to on the ESPN Networks.  We also know more and more Jayhawk fans look to digital platforms to watch their favorite programming; now they will be able watch their favorite team via the industry’s leading digital sports platform.”

Also, this:

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ABC or ESPN will now exclusively televise the Big 12 Football Championship every year through 2024 – adding three additional championship games (2019, 2021 and 2023) and bolstering ABC and ESPN’s Championship Saturday lineup each year on the eve of College Football’s Selection Day.

Doesn't seem that Friday championship games were part of the deal.

[kopp0e 1135]

2 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

Big 12 reportedly made $371M in 2017, so every team got paid $37.1M before their 3rd tier rights. It appears the rest of the conference finally sold those rights for around $3-4M per.

So that would bring them up to around $40M each year, then you have Texas at $52M when you factor in the Longhorn Network.

If USC is serious about going independent, then Texas, USC, ND should form an alliance.

I see it more than likely, that an ESPN backed XII, will conspire to "raid" PAC, before 2024...
The tactic has been used by ESPN before, in "raiding" Big East for ACC to add back in 2011...

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ESPN deals (till 2025:) 8 teams
OU 3rd tier deal expires in 2022

FOX: B1G - ESPN: ACC/ SEC/ XII - None: PAC

2011 ESPN 
 sportsbusinessdaily.com/.../Big-East.aspx …
ESPN put Big East teams in ACC...

2019 ESPN 
 https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/...ia/Pac-12.aspx …
ESPN attempt(s) raid, PAC teams in XII..?  PAC-XII merger/ WVU + ACCN..?

 

Edited April 10, 2019 by kopp0e

[texifornia 56519]

9 minutes ago, kopp0e said:

I see it more than likely, that an ESPN backed XII, will conspire to "raid" PAC, before 2024...
The tactic has been used by ESPN before, in "raiding" Big East for ACC to add back in 2011...

As terribly run as the Pac-12 is, I don't think they'll let themselves get taken apart. It still has enormous monetary potential with its footprint, and much much more football heritage than than Big East, which was tied to a pretty incoherent group of state schools and a bunch of small Catholic basketball colleges.

Edited April 10, 2019 by texifornia

[kopp0e 1135]

1 minute ago, texifornia said:

As terribly run as the Pac-12 is, I don't think they'll let themselves get taken apart. It still has enormous monetary potential with its footprint, and much much more football heritage than than Big East, which was tied to a bunch of small Catholic basketball schools.

(You could be right), it all dependes on the immediacy of the fiscal troubles within PAC for members as USC...
As of now (before today's announcement), UT earns $52 m. per year/ OU earns $47m. per year, USC, about $30m.-ish...

Make no mistake, if ESPN can corral PAC brands as Husky/Duck/Bear/Cardinal/Trojan/Bruin/'Cat/Devil/Ute/Buff, it will...

An article, that stated how USC threatened to bolt from PAC in 1978, wanting to add UA/ASU to the east, so it's possible...

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The Pac-8 almost blew itself up trying to add Arizona and ASU

https://www.mercurynews.com/.../40-years-ago-the-arizona-schools-joined-the-pac-8-...

Aug 29, 2018 - 40 years ago, the Arizona schools joined the Pac-8: An insider's account of ... McKay was planning to leave USC in early 1976 to become head ...

 

[HtownHorn 14487]

I don't like the 14 member conference. Raiding the Pac-12 would have to be a strategic move. I don't think adding the two Arizona schools really does anything. Getting USC would be a game changer though.

[joeycovers 383]

It would be nice if the B12 could get the CCG game on primetime instead of the garbage ACC game. 

[Hurtlocker 2208]

34 minutes ago, joeycovers said:

It would be nice if the B12 could get the CCG game on primetime instead of the garbage ACC game. 

Amen...

RTG	VWRS (+ STREAM)	GAME	CONF	DATE/TIME	NET
10.1	17.499M	ALA-UGA	SEC Champ.	12/1, 4:00p	CBS
6.2	10.155M (10.299M)	OKLA-Texas	B12 Champ.	12/1, Noon	ABC
5.0	8.659M	OSU-NWSTN	B1G Champ.	12/1, 8:15p	FOX
2.5	4.236M	CLEM-Pitt	ACC Champ.	12/1, 8:00p	ABC
2.6	4.059M	WASH-Utah	P12 Champ.	11/30, 8:20p	FOX
2.1	3.321M	UCF-MEM	AAC Champ.	12/1, 3:50p	ABC

[joeycovers 383]

10 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

Amen...

RTG	VWRS (+ STREAM)	GAME	CONF	DATE/TIME	NET
10.1	17.499M	ALA-UGA	SEC Champ.	12/1, 4:00p	CBS
6.2	10.155M (10.299M)	OKLA-Texas	B12 Champ.	12/1, Noon	ABC
5.0	8.659M	OSU-NWSTN	B1G Champ.	12/1, 8:15p	FOX
2.5	4.236M	CLEM-Pitt	ACC Champ.	12/1, 8:00p	ABC
2.6	4.059M	WASH-Utah	P12 Champ.	11/30, 8:20p	FOX
2.1	3.321M	UCF-MEM	AAC Champ.	12/1, 3:50p	ABC

Even the previous year.. A day game on Fox got higher ratings than ABC primetime. 

3.8	5.896M	Oklahoma TCU	Big 12 Champ.	Dec. 2, 12:45 PM	FOX
3.2	5.428M	Clemson Miami	ACC Champ.	Dec. 2, 8:00 PM	ABC

[Hagbard Celine 10761]

3 hours ago, Hurtlocker said:

Chris Del Conte, Texas:
“We are very excited for Longhorn fans to be able to watch us compete in a wide array of sports from across the Big 12. To be the first Autonomy Conference to have a branded identity on the ESPN+ platform speaks to the long-term growth of the Conference and the embrace of technology to deliver content to our fans.”

What's an "Autonomy Conference"?

[ButtFumble 5158]

the article does not explain things well (surprising from something called sports BUSINESS journal....oh wait no it is not)

but the way I am reading this the Big 12 is now averaging $22 million more per year for the remaining 6 years of the deal

the $22 million average is the new average for the existing deal....the deal was $2.6 billion for 13 years or $200 million a year average or $20 million per year per team average......with this new addition that average goes up to $22 million a year

now the question is does that "average" include prior years as well?

if so then these last 6 years should have a significant bump because there would be a $2 million a year average from past years to make up for

is the $40 million in new money total, per year (6 years X $40 = $240 or for the three CCGs they did not own $40 X 3 = $120)

if the TOTAL 13 year deal was to move to an average of $22 million then there would need to be $260 million in new money over 6 years or about $43 million whoch would mean ESPN is paying $40 million more per year for 6 years

if ESPN is only paying $40 million X 3 for each additional  CCG that is $120 million or $20 million per year or $2 million more per schools which would make the average over the final 6 years $2 million higher than the prior $20 million average over the whole contract....that would be an OK deal and really a great deal for Texas and OU because they contribute nothing, keep their 3rd tier deals and get $2 million more per year

it would be a break even or worse deal for the other 8 because they are basically breaking even on what Fox was willing to pay for the CCGs (said to be $19 million X 3) and now those 8 programs no longer have 3rd tier deals (that were said to be bringing in $1 to $2 million with the exception of KU making more)

but several Big 12 members had expiring 3rd tier deals most were not for near the length that Texas and OU have

those numbers as reported really tell nothing about if this is a really good deal for all 10, a break even deal for 8 of the 10 and a good deal for Texas and OU or a bad deal for the 8 and a good deal for Texas and OU

either way it looks like Texas is getting at least $2 million more per year for 6 years for not much content

if the deal is ESPN paying enough money ($40 million or so) over 6 years to bring the entire 13 year contract up an average of $2 million per year then it is a great deal for everyone even with the ESPN+ crap and an amazing deal for Texas and OU

Edited April 10, 2019 by ButtFumble

[ButtFumble 5158]

6 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

What's an "Autonomy Conference"?

the "P5" (Big 12, SEC SEC SEC, ACC, Big 10, and PAC 12) that get two votes per conference on NCAA business and that have the ability to set some rules that only apply to those 5 conferences and the others are free to go with those rules or not go with those rules as they see fit

[ClubWhatever 12087]

This is good for Texas because now we have an opportunity to scout everybody else instead of LHN just giving them the opportunity to scout us. 

[Hurtlocker 2208]

Here's how I did the math on it, which could be wrong:

Deal is $40m more per year for the Big 12, which includes 3 championship games and a lot of T3 content.   If we assume the game is worth $20m, which is about what the rest make, give or take, then you have

$40m x 6 = $240M more for the life of the contract

$240m - ($20m x 3 (champ games)) = $180m for "other stuff"

$180m/6/8 = $3.75m added per the 8 teams involved.

 

The $22m number is a bit misleading too.   So The original deal was $2.6b for 13 years split between Fox and ESPN, which is about $20m per school.   When they implied they'd make $22m, that was for ESPN's half of that pie, not the entire program

[Hurtlocker 2208]

 

19 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

What's an "Autonomy Conference"?

I think it references this from SI:

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The new agreement calls for Big 12 content on ESPN+ to be branded specifically for the conference, creating a de facto digital conference network.

 

[SimonBolivar 10927]

5 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

Big 12 reportedly made $371M in 2017, so every team got paid $37.1M before their 3rd tier rights. It appears the rest of the conference finally sold those rights for around $3-4M per.

So that would bring them up to around $40M each year, then you have Texas at $52M when you factor in the Longhorn Network.

Student Athletes.

Edited April 10, 2019 by SimonBolivar

[ButtFumble 5158]

27 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

Here's how I did the math on it, which could be wrong:

Deal is $40m more per year for the Big 12, which includes 3 championship games and a lot of T3 content.   If we assume the game is worth $20m, which is about what the rest make, give or take, then you have

$40m x 6 = $240M more for the life of the contract

$240m - ($20m x 3 (champ games)) = $180m for "other stuff"

$180m/6/8 = $3.75m added per the 8 teams involved.

 

The $22m number is a bit misleading too.   So The original deal was $2.6b for 13 years split between Fox and ESPN, which is about $20m per school.   When they implied they'd make $22m, that was for ESPN's half of that pie, not the entire program

if the deal is $40 million X 6 then it is a good deal

but in your calculations the $240 - ($20 X 3 CCG) should really be $240 - ($20 X 6) because the Big 12 is getting $20 million a year now for the 3 CCGs that ESPN already owns and if those are tossed into this deal then that leaves $120 million for "other stuff" and I believe that UT and OU still get their cut so it would be $120/6/10 = $2 million more for everyone on just "other stuff" and then another $2 million per year per team for the remaining CCGs or $4 million more per year for the remaing 6 years which would be $240 million total and when added to the $2.6 billion over 13 years would bump that up from about $20 million on average per year to $22 million on average per year

because the $20 million per year average was exclusive of the CCGs and when the Big 12 added the CCGs they hoped to get $25 million or so for them and it has been reported that ESPN was paying $20 million and Fox about the same, but Fox had offered $18 or $19 for the final 3 and the Big 12 said "pass we will go to the market"

so there was a bump up from the $20 million a year 13 year average already with the CCGs the hope would be that this new deal is how you are thinking and it is $40 per year for 6 years which bumps the average over 13 years to $22 million and would bump the final years up about $4 million per year (those years will already be over $20 million because it is the later years of the contact).....the mid point year will be 2019-20 so next year when the Big 12 should get close to an actual $20 million per team from media rights exclusive of the CCG and exclusive of this new deal although the contract does not scale in a straight linear fashion of $1 million more per team per year

 

Edited April 10, 2019 by ButtFumble

[Guest Lobo]

Does this mean the title game will be quit being some championship Saturday afterthought on at 11:00a or somesuch shit?  

We're not gonna go head to head with the SEC title game.  I get it.  We can crack wise all we want, but that thing is gonna sit alone midday on the first Saturday in December.  But we can certainly go right before or right afterwards.  

[LTbear 4160]

40 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

 

I think it references this from SI:

 

Autonomy Conference is just a different name for P5 that’s a little more PC friendly and used by the admins.

[Hagbard Celine 10761]

"Autonomy Conference".

https://www.bing.com/search?q=autonomy&pc=MOZI&form=MOZTSB

"Autonomy"

the right or condition of self-government.

a self-governing country or region.

freedom from external control or influence; independence.

synonyms:

self-government · independence · self-rule · home rule ·

[more]

(in Kantian moral philosophy) the capacity of an agent to act in accordance with objective morality rather than under the influence of desires.

+++

this last part is very interesting, because if aggy are part of the sec, by definition, the SEC can not have "autonomy".

[Sock Drawer 214]

19 minutes ago, LTbear said:

Autonomy Conference is just a different name for P5 that’s a little more PC friendly and used by the admins.

You know, like 

Media Distribution Officer (Paperboy)
Education Centre Nourishment Consultant (School Lunch Server)
Coin Facilitation Engineer (Toll Booth Collector)
Field Nourishment Consultant (Waiter)

[ButtFumble 5158]

53 minutes ago, LTbear said:

Autonomy Conference is just a different name for P5 that’s a little more PC friendly and used by the admins.

there are differences though the P5 conferences get two votes each on NCAA business the others get one and they can set rules for themselves that others can go with or not go with

that is part of the three factors of being a P conference......factor one actual differences in treatment by the NCAA

factor two a large payment per conference for the Football Playoffs (vs the G5 splitting a pool of money)

factor 3 a guaranteed New Years Day Bowl game spot paying large dollar dollar bills of $40 million per conference for the Big 12, SEC SEC SEC, Big 10 and PAC 12 and %27.5 millon for the ACC

the first factor is where the "autonomy" term comes from and that combined with the other two factors are where the "P" reference comes from

[Vic Mackey 46936]

1 hour ago, Lobo said:

Does this mean the title game will be quit being some championship Saturday afterthought on at 11:00a or somesuch shit?  

We're not gonna go head to head with the SEC title game.  I get it.  We can crack wise all we want, but that thing is gonna sit alone midday on the first Saturday in December.  But we can certainly go right before or right afterwards.  

ACC needs to be at 11am. Big 12 should be at 7pm like it used to be. They can keep the Big 10 at 7pm as well. And the Pac 12 can keep their Friday night slot all to themselves. But 11am conference championship games are fucking terrible.

[Beau Vine 54001]

6 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

If USC is serious about going independent,

lolwut?  Lynn Swann's on crack?

[Beau Vine 54001]

3 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

I don't like the 14 member conference. Raiding the Pac-12 would have to be a strategic move. I don't think adding the two Arizona schools really does anything. Getting USC would be a game changer though.

I'd have trouble believing that the AZ schools would leave the Pac-12, and there's no fucking way that U$C's BMDs are going to let them move into a conference where they'd play football games in Ames and Manhatten and Stillwater. 

Edited April 10, 2019 by Beau Vine

[Grippe 308]

Screw raiding the PAC12 for teams - if, and this is a big if, we're going to take anyone it'd need to be LSU and Arky.  Fuck the SEC and I seriously want to box in Aggy by B12 blue bloods in the region.

And before any pseudo-intellectual goat fuckers say we ain't getting LSU or Arky I realize it's a stretch - but it's a stretch in the right direction and not some goat fucker sloppy second like Arizona or Utah brands.  Set the bar in the right direction and put Deloss on the mission with a high private jet, golf and single-malt budget.

[Sock Drawer 214]

10 minutes ago, Grippe said:

Screw raiding the PAC12 for teams - if, and this is a big if, we're going to take anyone it'd need to be LSU and Arky.  Fuck the SEC and I seriously want to box in Aggy by B12 blue bloods in the region.

And before any pseudo-intellectual goat fuckers say we ain't getting LSU or Arky I realize it's a stretch - but it's a stretch in the right direction and not some goat fucker sloppy second like Arizona or Utah brands.  Set the bar in the right direction and put Deloss on the mission with a high private jet, golf and single-malt budget.

 . . . you delost me there . . .

[Ignatius 4001]

7 hours ago, 'stache said:

I'm pretty sure it's locked in with Jerryworld for the forseeable future. The bball tournament is fixed in KC, Mo. forever too, unfortunately. 

The B12 tourney should be in KC as long as this conference is alive.  Great atmosphere, great location - way, way, way better than when it was in Dallas

 

EDIT - By location I mean the area immediately around the arena, not KC itself.  You can walk out of a bar in the P&L District with a mixed drink in a fucking glass for Chrissake....

Edited April 10, 2019 by Ignatius

[Thiefery 4969]

This doesn't derail the chances of realignment, right?

[HtownHorn 14487]

1 hour ago, Thiefery said:

This doesn't derail the chances of realignment, right?

There was no chance realignment was happening until after 2024-2025 when the Fox and ESPN tier 1/2 deals run out. Texas isn't walking away from $52M+.

Edited April 11, 2019 by HtownHorn

[LTtxfan 48972]

12 hours ago, Machinator said:

 

Wonder how many Longhorn road football games get moved to ESPN+ as opposed to appearing on abc, espn, espn2 or espnU??  

Will any football games from sec, acc, or B10  be moved to ESPN+??  If not, it seems like a higher ratings advantage for sec/acc/B10..... don't have to subscribe to espn+ to watch.

 

[Machinator 32097]

2 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Wonder how many Longhorn road football games get moved to ESPN+ as opposed to appearing on abc, espn, espn2 or espnU??  

I'm going to go with 0.

[LTtxfan 48972]

8 minutes ago, Machinator said:

I'm going to go with 0.

[Beau Vine 54001]

58 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Wonder how many Longhorn road football games get moved to ESPN+ as opposed to appearing on abc, espn, espn2 or espnU??  

Will any football games from sec, acc, or B10  be moved to ESPN+??  If not, it seems like a higher ratings advantage for sec/acc/B10..... don't have to subscribe to espn+ to watch.

 

This is not a football deal.  The football games ESPN+ has are mostly FCS/D2/Sunbelt.   This will be about having the baseball and women's basketball road games on ESPN+.

Edited April 11, 2019 by Beau Vine