The OxyContin family

[immortal13 4059]

If they lied then fine, hammer their asses. I'm only saying that it's been common knowledge that opioids are highly addictive for many years. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13523]

3 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

If they lied then fine, hammer their asses. I'm only saying that it's been common knowledge that opioids are highly addictive for many years. 

Purdue Pharma (OxyContin) told doctors that fewer than 1% of patients using their drugs become addicted.  Perhaps physicians should have been more skeptical of that claim but docs can’t be expected to run their own pharmaceutical studies. 

[elfenix 34332]

If they lied then fine, hammer their asses. I'm only saying that it's been common knowledge that opioids are highly addictive for many years. 

And they lied to regulators and lied to doctors and knew they were selling way more product than legitimate use would support. And they fucking gloated about it. If pharma had to take personal responsibility the Perdue family would be in jail next to El Chapo.

 

But instead of reading this thread and looking at the judgment today and thinking maybe Johnson Johnson does deserve this you come in with a bullshit platitude that is solely design to keep bad actors from bearing any responsibility for their actions because hey maybe if your little brother was stronger he had been able to stop punching himself in the face

[Deej 76917]

Think how much cocaine the attorneys involved can buy.

[immortal13 4059]

23 minutes ago, elfenix said:

And they lied to regulators and lied to doctors and knew they were selling way more product than legitimate use would support. And they fucking gloated about it. If pharma had to take personal responsibility the Perdue family would be in jail next to El Chapo.

 

But instead of reading this thread and looking at the judgment today and thinking maybe Johnson Johnson does deserve this you come in with a bullshit platitude that is solely design to keep bad actors from bearing any responsibility for their actions because hey maybe if your little brother was stronger he had been able to stop punching himself in the face

Why don't you chill the fuck out

[Deej 76917]

The doctors that overprescribed it should be on the hook, too. They knew the ramifications. If they didn't, they shouldn't be doctors. 

[BottleRocket 647]

A Trans Am and snake skin boots for every citizen! 

I want these things and I’m not ashamed to say it.

[Updawg 2286]

Why don't you chill the fuck out

Why don't you get a fucking clue

[immortal13 4059]

57 minutes ago, Deej said:

The doctors that overprescribed it should be on the hook, too. They knew the ramifications. If they didn't, they shouldn't be doctors. 

Exactly

[Chad Fuck 17772]

Exactly

The doctors weren’t organized into a conspiracy to addict vast swaths of the American people.

[Deej 76917]

I shattered my hand. Doc gave me 20 Tylenol 3. I was a bit pissed off about it. Got told to deal with it. I did. Everything turned out fine. It wasn't something that would be chronic. These doctors overprescribing fucked over the folks that need it long term.

[Deej 76917]

1 minute ago, Chad Fuck said:

The doctors weren’t organized into a conspiracy to addict vast swaths of the American people.

No, but they were complicit. 

[immortal13 4059]

5 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

The doctors weren’t organized into a conspiracy to addict vast swaths of the American people.

I didn't say they were

[Sandman 3412]

4 hours ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

A Trans Am and snake skin boots for every citizen! 

Fuck, I've lived here 30+ years. I deserve that shit, it's like hazard pay. I want t-tops, though. I won't settle for less, leaks be damned.

[Murfdogg21 4423]

1 hour ago, Chad Fuck said:

The doctors weren’t organized into a conspiracy to addict vast swaths of the American people.

But they did make a lot of money by seeing patients and writing scripts, especially the ones who became known for being easy access. 

[Tailgate 3023]

There are may doctors who knowingly wrote way too many scripts of this shit. One of them almost killed my mom’s friend.

[Clintonaldo 2576]

As someone who had a dad prescribed this after a bad motorcycle wreck and then watch it cost a marriage, six figures in savings, and a suicide this news pleases me. 

[SHOOTER12 8828]

3 hours ago, BottleRocket said:

 

I want these things and I’m not ashamed to say it.

 

Oh snakeskin cowboy,

Who the the hell you think you are,

Dancin' round in your high heel boots,

Don't think that should get you far
Just hangin' around with your fancy pants on 
Aint got nothin' on me
Thinking you got it right here on the stage
Stick around boys, maybe I can set you free

Edited August 27, 2019 by SHOOTER12

[Not that Bob 739]

One of the most disturbing images from my childhood is that of Opium Dens. Maybe a leaflet describing and picturing Opium Dens should be required reading before getting a prescription for these drugs.  

[Chad Fuck 17772]

I'm not saying the doctors weren't complicit.  Far from it.  I'm saying going after the doctors/dealers on an individual basis (Dr. Feelgood gave my kid pills that addicted and killed him) should be seen as small potatoes compared to Giant Company makes a marketing decision to addict thousands.  It's like going after your local corner drug dealer vs. El Chapo.  

 

[Steel Shank 9432]

10 hours ago, SHOOTER12 said:

Oh snakeskin cowboy,

Who the the hell you think you are,

Dancin' round in your high heel boots,

Don't think that should get you far
Just hangin' around with your fancy pants on 
Aint got nothin' on me
Thinking you got it right here on the stage
Stick around boys, maybe I can set you free

Sing it, muthafucka!!!

[TwiceHorn 31535]

16 hours ago, immortal13 said:

If they lied then fine, hammer their asses. I'm only saying that it's been common knowledge that opioids are highly addictive for many years. 

Also common knowledge that alcohol is highly addictive.  There is a risk, for everyone that chooses to drink, that they become addicted to alcohol.

However, alcohol is not prescribed by physicians for any known malady.  Nor have alcohol manufacturers attempted to change the standard of care for a malady so that vast quantities of alcohol become the treatment standard.

Also, I cut doctors a bit of slack.  They have a whole lot to keep up with without analyzing the efficacy of every drug pharma sticks in front of them.  Now, though, I think it's absolutely incumbent upon them not to "take pharma's word," because they are proven liars on this and many other fronts.

Edited August 27, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[GreenspointTexas 9664]

16 hours ago, immortal13 said:

People need to take more responsibility for their own actions. I hate that prescription pain killer shit and all but refuse to use it, ever, period. That said, it's no secret(and hasn't been) that opioids are highly addictive. But hey let's sue somehody....yeah!!!

This. There is only one cure to the painkiller “epidemic”

[TwiceHorn 31535]

15 hours ago, elfenix said:

And they lied to regulators and lied to doctors and knew they were selling way more product than legitimate use would support. And they fucking gloated about it. If pharma had to take personal responsibility the Perdue family would be in jail next to El Chapo.

 

But instead of reading this thread and looking at the judgment today and thinking maybe Johnson Johnson does deserve this you come in with a bullshit platitude that is solely design to keep bad actors from bearing any responsibility for their actions because hey maybe if your little brother was stronger he had been able to stop punching himself in the face

*Purdue (no connection to the University)

Perdue is a bunch of chicken pushers.  Also, the family name is Sackler, not Purdue or Perdue.

['stache 21865]

Half of that money will buy hundreds of millions of dicks to fund Bob Stoops' pension.

Edited August 27, 2019 by 'stache

['stache 21865]

16 hours ago, immortal13 said:

If they lied then fine, hammer their asses. I'm only saying that it's been common knowledge that opioids are highly addictive for many years. 

You realize that's why there was a trial, right? The state proved that they lied. Hence, they are legally liable.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13523]

Purdue pharma reportedly offers $10-12 Billion to settle their cases. If that is their offer, they must really see guilty verdicts in their future.

[XYZ 2154]

12 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Also, I cut doctors a bit of slack.  They have a whole lot to keep up with without analyzing the efficacy of every drug pharma sticks in front of them.

I understand that early on doctors would have accepted what pharma was telling them about this miracle painkiller. What I’m cynical about is after the bodies started piling up year after year, why didn’t doctors react more energically? Shit, you don’t even need to wait for dead bodies; when patients start coming back begging for refills, that should have raised all kinds of alarms.

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

 

On 8/26/2019 at 6:30 PM, immortal13 said:

If they lied then fine, hammer their asses. I'm only saying that it's been common knowledge that opioids are highly addictive for many years. 

 

On 8/26/2019 at 6:19 PM, elfenix said:

actions like knowingly and intentionally lying to the public about the dangers of your drugs? 

I was doing rotations in med school when this shit went down.  Our rural rotations (required) were a trip.  The Pharm reps were giving out rebates for free fentanyl suckers (actiq).  The doctors in bumblefuck, KS were literally giving them out like candy.  

And the reps pushed how they weren’t addictive. What a fucking mess.  

Edit:  also around the same time pain became a ‘vital sign’ and providers were docked if their patient population had high pain scores.  Perfect storm for pharma to push the fuck out of overprescribing.  

Edited August 28, 2019 by ChiTownDoc

[TwiceHorn 31535]

1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Edit:  also around the same time pain became a ‘vital sign"

Purdue is at least partially responsible for that, too. The rest were just free riders.

['stache 21865]

16 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Purdue pharma reportedly offers $10-12 Billion to settle their cases. If that is their offer, they must really see guilty verdicts in their future.

That's pretty cheap considering they are negotiating to settle with every city, county, state, and Indian tribe in the country at the same time. 

[Chrispy_ 105]

22 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

This. There is only one cure to the painkiller “epidemic”

Bingo. 

[XYZ 2154]

Just say no to drugs, amirite?

[Nice Guy Eddie 13523]

There must be pressure in that family to find a way out. some are not even involved with the company other than cashing a check. but now they literally cannot give their money away to legitimate charities or organizations. I'm not giving them any sympathy but I'm sure some of them are willing to part with a percentage of their wealth to become more anonymous again.

[Celery Man 20996]

What we really need is heroes like greenspoint and chrispy 2.0 to solve the big problems

[XYZ 2154]

Next hot take: alcoholics should just stop drinking alcohol.

[TwiceHorn 31535]

PP files chapter 11 today.  Don't know if that queers (nttawt) the "global" settlement or kind of pushes it along.

Edit:  appears to be part and parcel of the global settlement.

Edited September 16, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[Brothahorn 10087]

On 8/28/2019 at 11:46 AM, XYZ said:

Next hot take: alcoholics should just stop drinking alcohol.

[elfenix 34332]

sackler family came out $10 billion ahead in this game.  it's time for torches and pitchforks.

Edited September 16, 2019 by elfenix

[XYZ 2154]

6 hours ago, elfenix said:

sackler family came out $10 billion ahead in this game.  it's time for torches and pitchforks.

In a twist of irony, America is too comfortably numb to get up and get out with torches and pitchforks.

[Zombie 284]

11 hours ago, elfenix said:

sackler family came out $10 billion ahead in this game.  it's time for torches and pitchforks.

I think a number of state Attorneys General are not participating in the deal and are challenging the bankruptcy, so they may not be out of the woods. 

[YChang 3462]

They’ll still be crazy rich versus maybe stupid crazy rich.

[LABEVO 928]

New York Uncovers $1 Billion in Sackler Family Wire Transfers
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/13/health/sacklers-purdue-opioids.html

 

if there is any justice, the state will go after their hidden wealth

[XYZ 2154]

John Kapoor gets a 66-month prison sentence.

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/23/798973304/pharmaceutical-executive-john-kapoor-sentenced-to-66-months-in-prison-in-opioid-

[XYZ 2154]

“The Pharmacist” on Netflix is a very good documentary about this shit.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

On 1/17/2019 at 5:49 AM, futureman said:

hindsight is 20/20.  there’s probably an element of greed but the shit was made for cancer patients and chronic pain sufferers.  they didn’t huddle up and say “how can we destroy lives while getting filthy rich in the process?”

Would be difficult to have a more uninformed opinion than this, but futureman.

[futureman 22544]

Just now, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Would be difficult to have a more uninformed opinion than this, but futureman.

refute anything I said.  go ahead, I'll wait.

[Deej 76917]

40 minutes ago, futureman said:

refute anything I said.  go ahead, I'll wait.

Never spent time around a pharma rep, I take it.

Edited February 9, 2020 by Deej

[Updawg 2286]

refute anything I said.  go ahead, I'll wait.

From the article linked above


Kapoor and four other executives were found guilty last year of orchestrating a criminal conspiracy to bribe doctors to prescribe the company's medication, including to patients who didn't need it. They then lied to insurance companies to make sure the costly oral fentanyl spray was covered.

[Neonmoon 38130]

1 hour ago, XYZ said:

“The Pharmacist” on Netflix is a very good documentary about this shit.

The complete incompetence of the local and subsequently federal government to do their fucking job was rage inducing.