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  On 1/20/2019 at 2:18 PM, formermav43 said:

Imagine them with modern nutrition, strength and conditioning, and bats that weren’t 3 feet long and 40+ ounces.

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The interesting thing would be whether it made any difference at all.  Baseball hitting is odd.  Little guys and fat fucks can outhit (for distance and average) swole, yoked bros.

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  On 1/20/2019 at 2:43 PM, TwiceHorn said:

The interesting thing would be whether it made any difference at all.  Baseball hitting is odd.  Little guys and fat fucks can outhit (for distance and average) swole, yoked bros.

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The word is bat speed IMO, that's always the most important batting metric. Bat speed is what creates that sound other hitters say they hear when great hitters make contact, josh Gibson, Babe, Puljoles.  

I associate it with the same phenomenon as Tannerite being set off by a high powered rifle.  You need a certain kinetic enegery/speed to ignite it. Course I'm, a simpleton idiot when it comes to physics, and other things.

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  On 1/20/2019 at 3:45 PM, Onboard 2.0 said:

The word is bat speed IMO, that's always the most important batting metric. Bat speed is what creates that sound other hitters say they hear when great hitters make contact, josh Gibson, Babe, Puljoles.  

I associate it with the same phenomenon as Tannerite being set off by a high powered rifle.  You need a certain kinetic enegery/speed to ignite it. Course I'm, a simpleton idiot when it comes to physics, and other things.

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And the hand-eye coordination to get the bat on the ball at the right spots..  I guess the counter-argument would be Sosa, pre- and post-PED.

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  On 1/20/2019 at 3:53 PM, TwiceHorn said:

And the hand-eye coordination to get the bat on the ball at the right spots..  I guess the counter-argument would be Sosa, pre- and post-PED.

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Yeah eye hand is huge,  you don't get to the show without it, but what separates the great hitters from the good hitters is bat speed IMO.

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Oh he would have if the dollars were there that are there now. Everyone likes to act like Ruth was a fat dude his whole career but you know better. That video above is of 36-year-old Ruth. In his prime he was in perfectly good shape.

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Very cool video.  that dude throwing batting practice sucks.  it is funny how they don't really get good wood on most of those pitches.

so much wrist on both but when you are swinging a tree trunk your velo doesn't have to be as high.

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  On 1/22/2019 at 7:29 PM, dcar00 said:

Very cool video.  that dude throwing batting practice sucks.  it is funny how they don't really get good wood on most of those pitches.

so much wrist on both but when you are swinging a tree trunk your velo doesn't have to be as high.

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Hah....I was about to reply with the same comment

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  On 1/20/2019 at 2:00 AM, Nope said:

Lol imagine these guys trying to hit Aroldis Chapman 

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I liked Ottavino's comment on Ruth:

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“I had an argument with a coach in Triple-A about Babe Ruth’s effectiveness in today’s game,” Ottavino said, via MLB’s Statcast Podcast. “Babe Ruth, with that swing, swinging that bat, I got him hitting .140 with eight homers.”

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That’s like saying aj Foyt couldn’t compete in open wheel racing now, using his car from 1974. No shit. 

He wouldn’t be using that bat, and if that swing wasn’t working he’d change it until it did, with the aid of his hitting coaches. 

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  On 2/4/2019 at 4:39 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

That’s like saying aj Foyt couldn’t compete in open wheel racing now, using his car from 1974. No shit. 

He wouldn’t be using that bat, and if that swing wasn’t working he’d change it until it did, with the aid of his hitting coaches. 

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I think if you had a time machine and had 1927 Ruth face off against MLB pitching he would get his ass beat, even with a modern bat.  They likely didn't throw nearly as hard back then and they certainly didn't have the breaking stuff hitters have to deal with today.  Maybe if you transported Babe Ruth as a kid and had him develop as any other baseball player today develops, then who knows.  

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This is awesome stuff. I love old footage like this. I second the poster that is watching Ken Burns' Baseball as I am doing the same thing now. I wish there would be footage of Joe Jackson and Ty Cobb. I'd also love to see stuff on the 1919 World Series, which for some reason I've been really reading more about lately.  This is great stuff. 

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Not this stupid argument again.

Some of y'all need to watch the Fastball documentary and learn something. And then just stop watching baseball considering all the players right now suck compared to the ones your great-grandkids will be watching someday, so what's the point?

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  On 1/20/2019 at 2:18 PM, formermav43 said:

Imagine them with modern nutrition, strength and conditioning, and bats that weren’t 3 feet long and 40+ ounces.

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That's how I have always looked at things. It's like that in every sport. Imagine tennis players from the 1970s using rackets from today. Or Jim Brown with health and training like today. Or Ali with physical and nutritional changes, etc. Yeah, athletes from back then, stuck back then, could not compete today, but with up to date training I think a lot could, especially the great ones.

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  On 2/4/2019 at 5:57 PM, PittsburghTiger said:
That's how I have always looked at things. It's like that in every sport. Imagine tennis players from the 1970s using rackets from today. Or Jim Brown with health and training like today. Or Ali with physical and nutritional changes, etc. Yeah, athletes from back then, stuck back then, could not compete today, but with up to date training I think a lot could, especially the great ones.

The cream of the crop will always rise to the top.
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  On 2/4/2019 at 5:55 PM, Bevo VIII said:


Weren’t ball parks much much larger back then too?

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Many parks had very unusual dimensions long and short.  Fenway being a good example, but I believe there were even shorter dimensions in some parks and much deeper in others. But is that an argument in favor of or against older players?

did more short fly balls drop in because outfielders played 20 feet deeper due to the 440 and 450 foot walls?  Like coors field now, larger outfields mean more area for 3 guys to cover. 

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You guys want to see a tree trunk for a bat, look up honus Wagner's bats. The ones he had Louisville Slugger make for him were 36 inches long and 43 ounces heavy. The very first LS signature bats.

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Only way to measure historical greats in sports is how they fared vs. the peers in their era.

Babe Ruth hit more home runs in 1920 than any other team in the American League.

Any. Other. Team.

No one today is even sniffing the farts of that kind of dominance.

Put that stat in your pipe and smoke it, whippersnappers.

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  On 1/20/2019 at 3:45 PM, Onboard 2.0 said:

The word is bat speed IMO, that's always the most important batting metric. Bat speed is what creates that sound other hitters say they hear when great hitters make contact, josh Gibson, Babe, Puljoles.  

I associate it with the same phenomenon as Tannerite being set off by a high powered rifle.  You need a certain kinetic enegery/speed to ignite it. Course I'm, a simpleton idiot when it comes to physics, and other things.

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yep.  Bat speed can be calculated I'm sure from 60fps..  be interesting to see what it is.

Shit mechanics compared to today, but you can only compare athletes to peers in their era IMO.

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  On 2/4/2019 at 4:58 PM, Escapedgoat said:

This is awesome stuff. I love old footage like this. I second the poster that is watching Ken Burns' Baseball as I am doing the same thing now. I wish there would be footage of Joe Jackson and Ty Cobb. I'd also love to see stuff on the 1919 World Series, which for some reason I've been really reading more about lately.  This is great stuff. 

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Get yourself this on DVD if you don't have it already:

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I still watch this every year before the season starts.  First time I watched it with my dad is still one of the coolest things I've ever done with him.  

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  On 2/4/2019 at 6:04 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

Many parks had very unusual dimensions long and short.  Fenway being a good example, but I believe there were even shorter dimensions in some parks and much deeper in others. But is that an argument in favor of or against older players?

did more short fly balls drop in because outfielders played 20 feet deeper due to the 440 and 450 foot walls?  Like coors field now, larger outfields mean more area for 3 guys to cover. 

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Weird dimensions were usually a byproduct of fitting them into existing downtown street grids.

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